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Gov. Clyde Herring of Iowa (left) presents
Gov. Floyd Olson of Minnesota (right) with the
pig, "Big Boy Floyd of Rosedale," which was
the stake in a bet made by the two executives
on the outcome of the football game between
the University of Iowa and the University of
By ELMO SCOTT WATSON
? 1 HE governor of Georgia said to the
governor of Louisiana: 'Til para
ble a dollar on the game. Here's
a Georgia dollar?one that won't
UThe governor of Louisiana said
to the governor of Georgia: "Well."
I never did much gambling, but
here's a dollar on the Tigers."
The two executives met November 1G on a
special train en route to Athens, Ga., where the
football team of Louisiana State university was
to play the University of Georgia eleven. After
the visitors had scored their 13 to 0 victory over
the Georgians, the governors met again.
The governor of Louisiana said to the governor
of Georgia: "Gimme my money! It was a fine
game, wasn't it?"
The governor of Georgia said to the governor
of Louisiana: "Okay! You find the stakeholder."
Then, according to the Associated Press dis
patch which reported the incident. Gov. O. K.
Allen of Louisiana and Gov. Eugene Talmadge
of Georgia "set off together in a crowd of 20,000
to find him."
Whether or not they did, the dispatch does
not sa^ But more important than that fact,
perhaps. Is the fact that fdr once the names of
th.es? two governors, what they said to each
other, when they said it and where they said
it, is a matter of historical record.
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The record is not so clear in regard to what
the governor of Minnesota said to the governor
of Iowa (and vice-versa) last November. Hut
the net result of their interchange of ideas?
whether by letter, telegram or vocally?was some ?
widespread publicity for all concerned.
It seems that Gbv. Floyd B. Olson of Minne
sota and Gov. Clyde Herring of Iowa, like their
brofrftffr executives in Louisiana and Georgia, de
cided to back up their belief in the superiority
of the football teams of their respective state
universities by betting on the outcome of the
annual Minnesota-Iowa game. In this case, how
ever, the stake was not merely fvdollar bill but
a live hog. ^
That was on November 9. A week later Gov
ernor Herrtng journeyed to SL Paul, the capital
of Minnesota. Also journeyed there "Big Boy
Floyd of Rosedale," a 265-pound prize porker, on
what was described as "a fourfold mission":
1. To pay the bet lost by Governor Herring
to Governor Olson when the Minnesota team beat
the Iowa team.
2. To become a prize for the member of a
?Minnesota 4-Jtf ciUD wno writes mc
on "Opportunities for Youth on the Farm."
3. To publicize the qualify of Iowa hops.
4. To bring good-will between the states and
their rival football teams.
When the Iowa executive and "Big Boy Floyd
of Rosedale*1 arrived in the executive offices of
the Minnesota governor, the following conversa
tion, according toAa contemporary account, t" k
"Oink!" said the pig as he stepped aero-- the
thick carpet of Governor Olson's private office:
"He's speaking hog-Latin," explained Mr IJer
'He's still calling signals on that Minnesota
lowa game," countered Mr. Olson.
And that's what the governor of Minnesota
said to the governor of Iowa and the governor
of Iowa said to the governor of Minnesota.
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More famous than what the governor of I *wa
said to the governor of Minnesota (or vice-versa)
is what a governor of North Carolina or.ee > ei
to a governor of South Carolina. It has ? ?*
classic in American folklore. He said, "it s a
1 og time between drinks."
But who was be? When did he say it? V\ !:? re
^d be say it? Under what circuusances v a?
J hire's where the '"authorities" disagree.
?ne version of the famous varn identifies
neither the two governors nor the time of the
occurrence. Those who believe it correct will
tell you this tale:
Some white fugitives from South Carolina
found refuge in North Carolina. The governor
of South Carolina demanded their return but the
governor of North Carolina, for political Reasons,
was unwilling to grant the request. A heated
correspondence followed and finally the governor
of the Tarheels invited his fellow-execptive to
a banquet in Raleigh. There the governor of
South Carolina made a speech in which he again
demanded the return of the fugitives and ended
up by turning to the North Carolinian and ask
ing: "What do you say. governor?*' Thereupon
the governor of North Carolina replied: "I say
it's a long time between drinks."
A variation on this version places the meeting
of the two governors not far from the state
line in South Carolina (instead of Raleigh),
where its executive hinted that be had state
uiflltia assembled to back tip his demand for
. toe return of a runaway slave (instead of some
white fugitives), one version has Gov. Zebulon
B. Vance of North Carolina making the famous
reply to Gov. Wade Hampton of South Carolina
while another credits it to Gov. John M. More
head of North Carolina without identifying the
governor of South Carolina.
Still another version says that Governor More
bead made the remark, not to a governor of
South Carolina but to Henry Clay. "The re
mark had political significance, meaning merely
that tHe party to which both of these gentlemen
belonged had not been in power for a long time.
Hence the metaphor: 4It's a long time between
Then there is still another version which dif
fers from the foregoing in every particular. Ac
cording to this yarn. Mrs. Nancy J??n?*s. a widow
who lived *"ith tier three sons on the HuVharn
road near tlie town of Cary. N. C.. was noted for
her hospitality to tlmse who traveled |?et\veen
Itah igli uu?i Chapel lliil. Mrs. Jones was very
religious, almost puritanical, but her hospitality
included the serving of mint Juleps.
-One June day in 1838 or 1839 there was a
flurry of excitement in the Jones household.
Gov. Edward B. Dudley of North Carolina was
coming in his carriage from Chapel Hill and he
was accompanied by the governor of South Caro
lina. Mrs. Jones welcomed the two executives
into her home and. while they sat in the parlor
refreshing themselves from the tall, frosty
glasses which the butler had brought before
them, she went to the kitchen to supervise prep
arations for dinner.
Soon Laney, the oldest maid servant, came
running into the kitchen, greatly agitated.
?'Miss Nancy, did you hear 'em*''* she^de
"Certainly not, I^ney. What is the matter?"
her mistress asked.
* Massa Dudley, he said?he said?It's a damn
long time between drinks. Miss Nancy, he said
?he said?damn!" declared the old slave woman,
who was outraged by hearing a word which had
never before been uttered in that strict house
hold. Evidently Mrs. Jones was not so outraged
for. according to the *V>ry, she summoned the
butler and be hastily prepared and served more
mint juleps for the governors who drank them,
ate their dinner and left soon afterwards.
Again the identity of the governor of South
Carolina is in doubt because of uncertainty of
** the date of this incid^Dt. If it was in 1838 he
was Pierce M. Butler. If It was Id 1839, he was
Patrick Noble. But whichever one It was, de
scendants of Governor Dudley who live in Kal*
elgh. N. C.. today believe that their ancestor
made that historic remark and they will show
you the table at which the two governors sat
when he made it.
On the other hand. If yon go to Columbia.
S. C.. they will show you the house in which the
governor of North Carolina said to the governor?
of South Carolina: "It's a long time between
drinks," In this case, ttfe governor of North
Carolina was Jonathan Worth and his drinking
companion was Gov. James L. Orr of South
This house was the home of L. D. Chi Ms.
first president of the Carolina National hank in
Columbia. When James L. Orr of Anderson. S.
C, became governor in November, 1365. there
was no executive mansion available for him in
Columbia. So he accepted the invitation of his
friend, Cbllds, to occupy a portion of his home.
There he was visited (date not given) by his
friend. Gov. Jonathan Worth of North Carolina,
who took office In his state In December.
Th^e. actording to this version of the yarn, the
chief executive of the Tarheels gave voire to a
gentle hint about his thirst in the words which
are still used where\er drinks are drunk and
drunks drink. /
So it seems pretty well established that a
governor of North Carolina once said to a gov
ernor of South Carolina: "It's a long time be
tween drinks." But who they were, when and
where and under what circumstances that as
serlion was made-are still unanswered question*, j
fc W est era N cvipapci Union.
Where Does the World !
Get Its Supply of Oil?
Three Nations Control Out
put of Industries'
Discussion of oil embargoes In
connection with the Italo-Ethiopian I
war raises the question: * Where j
does the world get its oil?" I'etro- I
leum deposits have been found in
every continent except Antarctica,
but well-defined pools are widely
scattered. Actually, a very few na
tions control the supply of this life
blood of modern industry.
"Three countries produce about 81
per cent of the world's petroleum
output/' says the National Geograph
ic society. "These are the United
States. Soviet Itussia and Venezuela.
If all three should cut off their oil
supplies, many steamships, trucks,
automobiles, armored tanks, air
planes and railroads all over the
world would be stopped, as well as
Industries depending on oil for fuel
or lubrication. Great Britain, through
her control of distribution of oil pro
duced in her dominions and colonies,
and in many other countries, also Is
a powerful factor in the world's oil
Italy Produces Little Oil.
"A general oil embargo would
practically threaten Italy's motors
with starvation, for Italy, in the en
tire year of 11134, produced only as
much oil as the United Slates does
in about two hours.
"Almost 99 per cent of the world's
oil comes from only twelve coun
tries. Italy is but one of the many
ilations which would have to com
bine their petroleum resources to
make up the other 1 per cent.
"While the three leading nations
are making production history by
their thundering progress along the
oil trail, four others follow them In
a group, although many laps behind
?Rumania. Iran (Persia). Nethei
lands Indies, and Mexico. Almost
neck and neck, five more follow
along: Colombia. Argentina. Peru.
iDdia, and Trinidad, which produce
less than 1 per cent of the world's
annual output each.
Oil Also Found Under Water.
**Tbe distribution of petroleum
seems to show a slight preference
for the western hemisphere and for
the northern side of the equator.
Nevertheless, it is found in such
extremes as Iraq, where iron-muscled
Kurds work in July heat at 1-S de
grees in the shade, and north of
Point Barrow in Alaska, where froz
en clods of oil-soaked earth are
burned as a substitute for coal.
"Water, as well as earth, may lie
above petroleum. Venezuela's Lake
Maracaibo. black with oil. is studded :
with derricks which workmen reach
by bridges of narrow planks from i
the shore, and is supervised from s
floating camp on a barge. The Sum
merland field of Santa Barbara coun
ty. California, extends beyond the
shoreline of the Pacific," so that der
ricks wade into the ocean to draw
up oil from several hundred feet
below sea level.
"The United States leads the world
in oil production. Recently a dia
mond jubilee marked the Industry's
seventy-fifth anniversary since Col.
Edwin Drake sank the country's first
nil wc'l 70sfeet into the rich Appa
lachlan field ut Titusville, Pa. Oil is
still produced in Pennsylvania, egpe
claliy for the manufacture of lubri
Texas Fields Date From 1901.
?'In 1901 the rich Texas oil fields
were brought in, starting a branch
of the Industry which in 1934 pro
duced $30,000,000 worth of oil, more
than the combined production of th?
two next richest areas. Oklahoma
and California. The latest spectac
ular development U that of ttie Lon
Liana Gulf coast, which doubled its
production In 11XJ4. One geologist
estimates that the United States. al
ready producing til per cent of the
world's oil from its two million acres
of oil I1.elds, actually has more than
a billion acres untouched.
"Running second, Soviet Russia s
government-controlled oil production
rose In 1U84 to 1?0.UUU,UU0 barrels,
with acres and acres of oil seepages
undeveloped or even unprospected.
"Venezuela keeps third place sc
a gait which is amazing, in view of
the fact that commercial production
began there less than twenty years
ago. Petroleum constitutes 75 per
cent of the country's exports. Ru
mania. taking fourth place from Iran
in 1034. still has many undeveloped
Advice of Old Usable for
Straight Thinking Today
When we become angry our think
ing pets crooked, and when we grow
too fond of ways that are not rigltf
we cannot properly judge what is the
true course to follow. Archbishop
Adalberon, when presiding nearly a
thousand years ago at an assemblage
for the choice of a king for Lower *
Lorraine, in what is now France,
warned his hearers of these obstacles
to clear thinking by saying:
"Let us act in such sort that hatred
j stifle not reason, and affection dis
tort not truth."
Could there be a better expression
of what should be the attitude of
folks today? ??
Dog Saved 40 Persona
One of the most intelligent dogs
was "Barry." a St. Bernard belong
ing to the famous St. Bernard Hos
pice in the Swiss Alps. Before he
was shot by a man who mistook him
for a wolf, he saved the lives of 40
travelers who were lost and near
death in snowstorms, one being a
little girl whom he carried to safety.
15,000 Parts in Car
There are about 15,000 separate
parts In the modern automobile.
WHEN TIRE DELAYS STOLE PROFITS?
SENT DELIVERY COSTS SKYWARD . ..
^*HEY CHANGED TO
Tire delays were playing havoc with
this man's business. Treads wore down
.fast ? they failed to hold on slippery
pavements. The situation was serious ?
something had to be done to lower costs
and maintain on-time deliveries.
So he changed to Firestone
Gum-Dipped Tires! And now his troubles
are over! For Firestone Tires are built with ,
patented construction features and stand up
under most gruelling conditions.
The Gum-Dipped cord body prevents ^
internal friction and heat?chief cause of
premature wear and blowouts. The two extra
layers of Gum-Dipped cords -securely lock the
massive non-skid tread and cord body together.
These patented features are used in no other
See your nearby Firestone Auto Supply and
?Service Store or Firestone Tire Dealer. Start
reducing your operating costs today.
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Listen to the Voice of Firestone featuring Richard
Crooks or Selson Eddy??with MQrgaret Speaks, Monday '
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