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LOUISBURG, N. CAROLINA FRIDAY, DECEMBER 8, 1043
(Eight Pages)
NUMBER 43
JAPS DOOM PLANNED
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ROOSEVELT, CHURCHILL AND
KAI-SHEK MEET
Chiang, Churchill and Roosevelt, In
Historic Meeting In North Africa,
Agree to Treat Japan Ruthlessly
As a Criminal Nation and Quaran
tine Japs Within the Japanese Is
lands; Independent Korea Planned;
Large Military Staffs In Attend
ance; Conference With Stalin Re
ported Underway
Cairo, Dec. 1. ? President Roosevelt, Prime Minister
Churchill and President Chiang Kai-Shek have held an
historic five-day conference, have bound their nations in
an agreement to beat Japan into unconditional surren
der and to strip her of all her imperialtic gains of the
last half century, and have left for unannounced desti
nations.
(In Washington it was assumed that an even more
important meeting, particularly on the European phas
es of the war, would be held with Premier Joseph Stalin
of Russia. Reuters dispatches from Lisbon, Portugal,
said the three had left for Teheran, capital of Iran, there
to meet Stalin in the biggest United Nations conference
in the war.
ALEEADY UNDERWAY
(Berlin broadcasts said the conference already was
underway in Teheran ? on the Russian supply corridor
where British-American-Russian war-time cooperation
has had its most conspicuous success.)
In ail extraordinary atmosphere;
of secrecy and precaution, the'
three leaders of the United States,
Britain and China, representing
more than 1,000,000,000 people,
counting all those of the British
Empire, met far five days? from
November 22 through Nov. 26 ?
while surrounded by the highest
galaxy of military, supply and po
litical advisers, and departed at
least three days before the news
was given to the public.
A communique issued at the
close declared they had agreed
upon a plan of military opera
tions against Japan which would
"bring unrelenting pressure
against their brutal enemies by
sea, land and air."
Declaring their purpose to
drive Japan back into her home
islands, the three powers outlin
ed this specific four-point pro
gram:
1. Japan must disgorge all the
islands she has seized in the Pa
cific since the beginning of the
First World War in 1914 (from
which she gained, from Germany,
the' Marshall, Caroline and Mari
ana archipelagoes in which she
planted bases for her attack on
the United States).
2. Manchuria, Formosa, the
Pescadores (the 21 islands lying
between Formosa and the Chinese
mainland) and all other territor
ies taken from China must be res
tored to Tier.
To ? ree Korea
3. Korea Is to be made free
and independent "In due course."
4. Japan must be expelled from
"all other territories which she
has taken by violence and greed."
(This would cover all the lands
she has seited since Pearl Harbor,
the Philippines, Wake, Ouam;
British Hongkong, Malaya, Bur
ma and Islands of the Pacific;
The Netherlands East Indies and
also French Indo-Chlna. .
The above blueprint for break
ing up the Japanese empire and
liberating its conquered peoples
in effect would divest Japan of
the territorial loot won by ag
gression and trickery fa five wars
? from the Slno-Japnnese war of
1894 to the present conflict, clIV
mazed by her surprise attack on
Pearl Harbor and her rapid con
quests in the South Pacific.
(Japan's possessions would be
reduced from some 3,000,000
square mllps and v 500,000,000
people to a little more than 148,
000 square miles and a Japanese
population of 75,000,000.
* (Thus, the three chief confer
ees apparently had agreed on a
program which did not specifical
ly include Sakhalin Island, half
of which Japan acquired from
Russia in the treaty of Ports
mouth in 1904. Presumably this
was because Russia was not rep
resented at the conference and is
not now at war with Japan).
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Peanut hay Is good this year
and central buying stations are
being set up at Tarboro, Wllliam
ston and other points to provide
a market for the crop.
Believed Safe
Allied Headquarters, Algiers,
Nov. 30. ? Thirteen United Sta
tes Army nurses who yesterday
were reported missing since
November 8, when their C-47
Army transport plane disap
peared on a flight from Algiers
to Italy, now are believed to
be safe in Allied territory, it
was announced today.
Also aboard the missing plane
were 12 Army enlisted men
and a crew of four officers.
The last report from the plane
was a request for the Bari air
port to turn on Its beam so the
transport could come in for a
landing. It never arrived.
(Advices from the United
Press bureau in Algiers said
that censorship was holding up
the remainder of the above dis
patch, presumably dealing with
the fate of the plane and its
male passengers as well as the
basis for belief that the nurses
were safe.)
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APPRECIATION SERVICE
The first Sunday in December
marks the fifth anniversary of
the beginning of Dr. Bagby's pas
torate of the Louisburg Baptist
Church. On that date the usual
order of proceedings will be re
versed and the Pastor is request
ed to come in the front door with
the congregation and sit in the
pew with his wife while the con
gregation takes charge of the ser
vice. - Be sure to give your vote
of confidence in your Pastor and
show your appreciation of his ser
vice and that of his wife during
their stay -with us by being pres
ent at the morning service, Dec.
6th.
Mrs. A. B. Perry,
G. M. Beam,
Mrs. Florence Underhill,
Committee.
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PROGRAM AT TILS
LOUISBURQ THEATRE
?
The following Is th? program
at the Louisburg Theatre, begin
ning Saturday, Dec. 4th:
Saturday ? Roy Rogers and
Smiley Burnette In 'Silver Spurs'
and last chapter 'Secret Service
in Darkest Africa.' Also first
chapter 'The Masked Marvel.'
Saturday, late show ? Allan
Jones, Kitty Carlisle and Alvino
Rey and Orchestra in 'Larceny
With Music.'
Sunday-Monday ? Mickey Roon
ey and Judy Oarland in 'Girl
Crazy."
Tuesday ? The Hoosier Hot
Shots, Emma Dunn and George
Byron in "Hoosier Holiday.'
Wednesday ? A1 Pearce and his
gang, Frank Albertton and Gloria
Stnart in 'Here Comes Elmer.'
Thursday-Friday ? Betty Grable
Robert Young and Adolphe Men
Jou in 'Sweet Rosle O'Grady.'
Montgomery's Men
Crack Nazi Line
Allied Headquarters, Algiers,
Nov. 30. ? Troops of the British
Eighth Army have captured Fos
sacesia, Adriatic anchor post o(
the Germans' "Winter Line" In
Italy, and seized all of a dominant
ridge on the far side of the San
gro River, where they have link
ed two bridgeheads in a major
breakthrough along a 14-mile
front, it was announced tonight.
A special Allied ccmmunlque,
reporting that "our troops now1
have broken into the mulii enemy
winter line," said that flw villag
es of Santa Maria and Rogagnoui
on the 1,000-foot ridge across the
Sangro also had been captured.
Mozagrogna, on the slope of the
ridge three miles inside the ene
my line had been captured ear
lier.
With their Adriatic positions
shattered, the Germans were be
lieved already In retreat to a new
line, although throughout this
afternoon they - counterattacked
the Eight Army to no avail.
"The whole high ridge which
dominates the Sangro vulley now
is in our hands," the special com->
munique said. "Two bridgeheads
on the Adriatic side no\v have
been joined up to form one large
penetration in the enemy's de
fensive position."
Across Barrier
This penetration linked the
British forces across the Sangro
on a front of more than 14 miles
extending inland from the Adri
atic and carried Gen. Sir B. L.
| Montgomery's forces across what
had been considered their chief
barrier to an all-out assault oil
Rome.
The bridgeheads had been
deepened to a distance of four
niiles or more all along the 14
| mile front, official dispatches
said. Fossacesia. which had been
the Germans' strongest position
j on their seaward flank, is four
miles beyond the Sangro and a
I mile and a half inland.
ad earner communique, report
ing that "our advance is continu
i ing," disclosed that Mew Zealand
and Indian troops captured Moz
zagrogna In the first hours of the
olTensive, now In its third day.
The stronghold of Lanciano, four
miles west of Fossacesia, was di
jrectly threatened.
| "Fed by a steady flow of rein
forcements and supplies, the
Eighth Army was hacking to
{pieces defenses that the Germans'
, had spent months in building, |
and on the inland flank of the;
bridgehead had driven within;
itwo miles of other British forces1
who effected a second crossing of
the Sangro northwest of Archl.
SEED LOANS NOW
AVAILABLE
TO FARMERS
In cooperation with the Officel
of Defense Transportation and|
the Department of Agriculture in
trying to encourage farmers to
buy their fertilizer early applica
tions for seed loans are now made
available.
As there is an acute shortage
of labor and transportation fa
cilities it is being urged that all
farmers that have storage facili
ties on their farm buy their fer
tilizer early, thereby spreading
the fertilizer season over a period
of several months rather than
concentrating it in a period of
sixty days as is the usual custom.
Unless the full amount of the
loan is for the purchase of fer
tilizer all of the loan will not be
disbursed at this early date but
only the part necessary for the
purchase of the fertilizer; the
balance will be disbursed in the
spring as usual.
Tou can place your application
by meeting C. H. Easton. Field
Supervisor, at the County Agent's
office in Loulsburg on Tuesday or
Friday during the week.
FARMERS ESTIMATED
INCOME FILING
The FRANKLIN TIMES is re
quested by Deputy Collector J.
Forrest Joyner to state that all
farmers having a gross income
of $500.00 if single, or $1,200.00
if married, are required to file an
estimated income return on or
before the 15th of December,
1943.
"I will be in the Court House
in Louisburg, from December the
8th through the 16th, 1943, to
assist any farmers in the above
filing," said Mr. Joyner.
MT. GILEAD
The preaching services for the
next Conference year will be as
follows:
The first Sunday afternoon at
3: 3D o'clock. The fifth Sunday
morning at 11:00 o'clock, and the
fifth Sunday night.
We have secured Rev. 8. E.
Madren as pastor.
Gasoline Penalties
Franklin: County Hearing
Panel Holds Meeting
At a meeting of Franklin Coun
ty Hearing Panel held in the
Court House on Tuesday night
the following cases were heard
and action taken:
Clinton J. Pruitt was required
to surrender two A coupons and
was warned, for speeding.
Albert Crudup was denied all
gas rationing until November 8,
1944. And if this car is caught
on highway in abovo period own
er will be referred to FBI.
E. L. Alston as a penalty for
misuse of gasoline was required
to send in all gas books immedi
ately, and case continued until
next meeting. This case to . be
referred to FBI if not compiled
with promptly.
Damarcus E. Witty, with the
Home Oil Co.. case for speeding
was continued to next meeting
for more Information.
W. M. Pinnell was required to
! surrender five B coupons for
I speeding.
Graham Ball, on a charge of
speeding, was required to report
to the Board and five satisfac
tory explanation, or matter will
be referred to enforcement offi
cers.
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COMMUNITY MEETINGS
TO DISCUSS 1944
PRODUCTION GOALS
A series of meetings will be
held at community centers throu
ghout the county during the first
two weeks ot December. The dis
cussion will be on changes in
plans for deferment of farm la
bor, increase in tobacco acreage,
food and feed needs, and other
goals for Franklin County for
1944.
Franklin County farmers are
being asked to produce more food
and feed on less acreage with less
labor. Feed and seed are as ser
ious problems as the labor short
age, therefore, it is necessary
that we mobilize and act on cer
tain measures to solve some of
j these problems at once. With a
needed increase In livestock and
livestock products something
must be done In the county to
meet the food and feed problems
that exist and will arise.
Farm men and women are urg
ed to attend the meeting nearest
them.
Schedule of Meetings
December 3rd ? Pearce's, J. W.
Perry's Store; Seven Paths, Ar
thur Strickland's Store; Pilot,
Staillngs' Store; Pine Kidge, J. F.
Perry's Store; Bunn High School;
Riley.
December 7th ? Justice; Hick-i
ory Rock-White Level; Gold
Sand; Mapleville; Centerville;
Edward Best.
December 9th ? Alert; Wood,
Read's Store; Sandy Creek, Cash's
Store; N'eedmore, Community
Building; Moulton, Hunt's Store;
Youngsviile School.
December 10 th ? Popes. Per
gurson Store; Morris' Store; In
gleside, May & Inscoe's Store;
Kates ville.
December 13th ? Franklinton
School.
December 14th ? B. F. Wilder's
Store; Harris School; Royal.
December 16th ? Epsom School.
LOUISBURG
BAPTIST CHURCH
Sunday morning the pastor and
his wife will be in the hands of
the congregation in the celebra
tion of their 5th Anniversary. In
the evening, the pastor will
preach on "A Look Backward and
a Look Forward."
9:45 a. m. ? Bible School.
11:00 a. m. ? Morning worship.
6:45 p. m. ? Intermediate B.
T. U.
7:30 p. m. ? Evening worship.
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DR. BAGBY OFFERS AWARD
M
Speaking to the students of
Louisburg College at chapel hour
Tuesday morning. Dr. A. Paul
Bagby emphasized the value of
the "happy" life, which can be
achieved by living busily, unsel
fishly and as a Christian. Cli
maxing his remarks, Dr. Bagby
offered an award of five dollars
to the Louisburg College girl
who, In the judgment of the fac
ulty, and by the standards he had
just set forth, achieves the happy
life at the college during this
term.
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MR. DUKE DEAD
Mr. John T. Duko, aged father!
of Mrs. Dr. J. O. Newell, of
Fianklinton, died Friday follow
ing a serious illness. The funer
al services were held in Frank
linton Saturday afternoon and
interment was made in Oakwood
Cemetery at Louisburg following.
Mr. Duke Was formerly a resi
dent of the Epsom community
and hadN many friends there, in
Louisburg and Franklinton who
extend deepest sympathy to his
bereaved family.
Pttronlae TIMES Advertisers
CANNERY IN
OPERATION
? Tt
IS A GREAT COMMUN
ITY BENEFIT
Has Canned 973 Cans of
Meat ? You Can Pay Oi
Trade ? Splendid Equip
ment Installed And In
Use at Gold Sand
The Gold Sand cannery was of
| ficially opened to the public on
I October 5, 1943 and is operated
each Tuesday and Thursday, ex
cept during the Christmas holi
days. Operation will continue as
long as there is any meat to can.
Next spring the cannery will re
open to can vegetables.
Equipment consists of the fol
lowing: one 114 quart steam
pressure cooker, one 33 quart
steam pressure cooker, one elec
tric sealer, one hand "sealer, a
large electric meat grinder, plen
ty of knives, saws, and the like.
Patrons who are Interested in
canning beef or pork are re
quested to make arrangements
with H. F. Marshall, agriculture
teacher at Gold Sand. Plans
must be made before the meat is
brought in. and thus conflicts are
avoided. The canning may be
done on either of the following
plans: by paying 4 He per can
plus an additional 2c for the use
of the cannery, making a total of
6V4c, or by giving a toll of one
can out of five.
Mr. Marshall states that he i3
grinding sausage for the public
at the cost of one cent per pound
any time during school hours or
during Tuesday and Thursday af
ternoons.
The cannery is operating on a
nonprofit basis. All toll cans
are used in the lunch room. To
date there have been '973 cans of
meat canned. Everyone in the
Gold Sand community feels that
the cannery is a great asset.
This is one of three such can
neries in the county.
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Recorder s court
Quite a big docket was before
(Judge Malone in Franklin Record
I er's Court Tuesday and was dis
posed of as follows:
Haywood Yarborough plead
guilty to no drivers license, to be
discharged upon payment of costs.
Andrew Nicholson was found
Hot guilty of allowing a person
to drive car with no drivers lic
ense.
Rossell Williams, plead guilty
to operating with no drivers lic
ense, to be discharged upon pay
ment of costs. "*?
John Williams, allowing a per
son to operate car with no driv
ers license, a nolle pros.
William Green plead guilty to
reckless driving, no drivers lic
ense. given 60 days on roads,
suspended on payment of costs.
A nolle pros was taken in the
case of hit and run against W.
E. Bragg.
Ronald White, operating auto
mobile intoxicated uo drivers lic
ense, jury requested and continu
ed.
James Spencer, Jr., plead guilty
to reckless driving, speeding, fin
ed $25 and costs.
Billy Duke, plead guilty to
speeding and was fined $5 and
costs.
Zollie Gupton plead guilty to
no drivers license and was dis
charged upon payment of costs.
Alexander Hoyle plead guilty
of speeding, fined $6 and costs.
T. D, Moore plead guilty to no
proper drivers license to be dis
charged on Payment ot- costs.
demons Davis was found guil
ty of unlawful possession of whis
key, transporting and given 6
months on roads, upon payment
of $50 fine- and costs, execution
of road sentence to issue any time
in 2 years upon request of Solici
ton.
T T7? T. nlnnJ
iiCVVIB JCj. OWftgl U, dl., picau
guilty to speeding and was fined
$5 and costs.
Red Crudup was found not
guilty of possession of distilling
outfit and material.
James Cooley plead guilty to
assault with deadly weapon and
was given 4 months on roads.
The following cases were con
tinued:
Early Stone, assault with dead
ly weapon with intent to kill.
Tyro Lancaster assault with
deadly weapon, two eases.
J. S. Morris, reckless driving.
Mrs. Mary Y. Perry, allowing
drunk person to drive her car.
Walter A. McCroskey. operat
ing automobile intoxicated.
Robert Lee Perry, assault with
deadly weapon.
O. L. Arnold, speeding, reck
less driving.
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To win the war, Uncle Sam
needs more soybeans than have
ever been produced before. More
peanuts and cottonseed are also
needed to help build up the oil
and feed supplies of the Nation.
County Triple A
Committee
R ele c t e d
Local Community elections wen
held In 25 communities of Frank
lin County Tuesday night Novem
. ber 30. 1943. A delegate to th<
County Convention was electec
. from each community for the pur
pose of electing the County Com
. mittee. The County Commlttet
bears the -responsibility of the
I administrations of Agriculture
Adjustment Administration pi|li
cies in the County. To be elected
to the County Committee is a
distinct honor and indicates lead
ership, and confidence in ones
ability as an administrative lead
er.
The County Committee for the
present year 1943 has been com
posed of Ire T. Inscoe, Castalia;
J. C. Nowell, Louisburg, N. C.,
Route 1; Joseph T. Cottrell, Lou
isburg, N. C., Route 3.
The entire group of County
Committeemen were relected at
the County Convention held in
Louisburg. N. C. December 1.
The following additional of
ficers were elected:
First Alternate, Robert Allen.
Second Alternate, C. Q. Renn.
Secretary to the County Com
mittee. Miss L. Elizabeth Best.
Treasurer of the County Com
mittee, Mrs. Edith Perdue.
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Internees
Arrive Home
Jersey City, N. J., Dec. 1. ?
Nearly 1,500 joyous American re
patriates from the Far East reach
ed American soil again today and
pleaded that other Americans in
the Japanese-occupied Orient be
brought home before ? in the
words of one of them? they "be
come a lost tribe."
They cheered and sang "God
Bless America" as the exchange
liner Gripsholm sailed slowly
through the heavy mist of the har
bor past the Statue of Liberty to
her dock, completing the repatri
ates' 16,000-mile journey.
Her bow rust-stained from
tropic salt after a three months
voyage to Portuguese India where
the exchange for Japanese nation
als took place, the Gripsholm
brought in 1,223 United States
nationals. 217 Canadians and
some Latin Americans.
P. T. A. Minstrel
Dec. 16th
The attention of all lovers of
good wholesome amusement Is
directed to the home talent Min
strel to be given by Mills P. T. A.
on the night of Thursday, Dec.
16th. Get ready and go out.
PRICES IMPROVE
It will be of much interest to
tobacco growers to know that
Warehousemen and farmers both
report a strengthening in price
of tobacco yesterday over the day
before.
The opening of the markets
aftei' Thanksgiving holidays not
only at Louisburg but all over
the State, according to reports
showed quite a break in prices of
most all grades of tobacco. The
reports of increased prices on the
local market was especially pleas
ing to all those interested in to
bacco Sales.
Bring your tobacco on to Lou
isburg for the remainder of the
season and get an equal or bet
ter price than elsewhere, in the
present slump in prices,
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The Army now has more truck
drivers alone than it had soldiers
before the war.
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Air War
Ixmdon, Thursday, Dec. 2. ?
Large formations of fighter
escorted U. S. Flying Portresses
and Liberators striking through
icy, cloud-spattered skies, at
tacked the Khineland industrial
city of Solingen yesterday for
the second timje in two days, it
was announced early today.
Twenty-seven of the heavy
bombers failed to return. Re
turning pilots said the Germans
threw up an unusually wide
variety of fighters against them
and filled the air with rockets.
A total of 42 Allied planes
were missing from the opera
tions yesterday, including, in
addition to the heavy bombers,
one light bomber and 14 fight
ers. The Allied forces account
ed for 35 German planes.
American Marauders escort
ed by RAF, Dominion and Al
lied (Spitfires bombed German
controlled airfields at Lille
Vendeville in north France and
the Epinoy and Niergnles air
fields in Belgium. RAF Mitch
ells with Typhoon escorts at
tacked the German aircraft
works at Albert In France while
Misqnitoes bombed targets in
Holland and attacked shipping
off the Brest peninsula.
OVER THE TOP
Franklin County has done It
again! We are "over the top"
in the United War Fund Drive.
Our quota was $7,655.00 (includ
ing $655.00 for our Boy Scouta
work). At the present moment
$7,726.81 has been given;" and
there are three communities to
be heard from. Here is the list
of gifts by communities:
Colored Citizens $1,415.07
Epsom & Ingleside . 404.50
Gold Sand 150.68
Wood .201.05
Centerville "?HO. 14
[White Level 188.60
Cedar Rock 187.40
[Justice 170.50
Seven Paths ...... Not Reported
Bunn 160.00
Pine Ridge 127.45
Pilot 245.15
Pearce Not Reported
Harris Cross Road ... 76.57
Youngsville 404.00
Mapleville Not Reported
Franklinton 1,462.22
Louisburg 2,418.53
According to quotas assigned,
Epsom and Ingleside, Wood, Pina
Ridge, Pilot, Youngsville, Frank
linton and Louisburg went "over
the top" ? Pi|ot, Youngsville,
Franklinton/ and Louisburg by a
large percentage. Franklinton
gave $462.22 more than its quota,
and Louisburg $818.53 more. All
of the money raised was cash.
We are gratified with the re
sults, and shall probably reach
$7,900.00 when all reports ara
in.
A. PAUL BAG BY,
W. B. BARROW,
Co-Chalrmen.
LIONS CLUB WINS
DISTRICT HONORS
The Louisburg Lions Club held
its regular meeting Tuesday
night at Mrs. Beasley's with 20
members and one guest present.
Lion President Gaither Beam
stated that the local Club had
been honored by the District Gov
ernor for the month of September.
Lion Beam said that the Club had
tied with the Oxford Club for top
honors among the 42 clubs in the
District for attendance, new
members, and sending reports in
on time. At the end of the year
a prize will be given by the Dis
trict Governor for the club ap
pearing most on the honor roll.
The Club voted not to sponsor
the sale of 1944 Blind-Aid, Sight
Conservation seals this year since
it is already sponsoring the sale
of Tuberculosis Seals.
Rev. Harry S. Cobey, Rector of
St. Paul's Episcopal Church, was
welcomed into the Club as a new
member. Hall Brooks was a
guest of the Club for the meeting.
LOUISBURG '
METHODIST CHURCH
The Rev. E. II. Davis will
preach at the Methodist Church
Sunday morning at 11::0 o'clock.
The pastor. Rev. Forrest D.
Hedden will bring the evening
message at 7:30 o'clock!'
Sunday School convenes at 9:45
a. m., led by Prof. I. D. Moon.
The Methodist Youth service
will be held at 6:45 p. m.
You are welcomed to these ser
vices.
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Red Cross
Mrs. R. W. Smithwick. Produc
tion Chairman of the Red Cross,
announces that there is much
yarn for knitting sweaters for
our soldiers and many kit bags to
be made. She calls upon the
women of our town to help in
this. Surely all that we CAN do
is little. There comes a cry for
both sweaters and 'kit bags*.
Our local Red Cross unit has in
vested1 $144,001 tn material (for
the making of these bags. Will
not our women match this money
with the labors of their hands?
A. PAUL BAGBY,
Chairman.
ST. PAUL'S
EPISCOPAL CHURCH
The following Is the order of
service for the First Sunday in
Advent:
Church School end Bible Class
10:45 a. m.
Holy Communion and sermon
11:00 a. m.
The men of the Church ara
asked to make a corporate com
munion this Sunday morning at
eleven. This corporate commun
ion is sponsored by the Layman's
League of the Diocese of North
Carolina, and by the Brotherhood
of St. Andrew throughout tha
United States. The offering will
be for a Chapel at Vade Mecum.
Subject of sermon "ChrtaUan
Kinghthood."
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In producing 13 per cent mora
livestock In the United States dur
ing the past year. 28 per <
more feed concentrates were
ed. Livestock specialists
for a more efficient nse of
The theory of some ap?
seems to be that children
be seen and not had.