? hole No. 040. Tarborough, (Edgecombe County, J C.J talurdinj, June 2, 1838. Vol. XIV No 23. i The Tarborough Press, I BV GEORGE HOWARD, I Is piiltlishod weekly at Two Dollars and Fifty (V;.'.v per year, if paid iu advance or, Three hh'Javs .it the expiration of the subscription year. Vor an) perioil less than a year, Twcnty-fwc fi'eat per month. Subscribers are at liberty to lisi'oaiinue at any time, on giving notice thereof land p;yin arrears those residing at a distance fimist invariably pay in advance, or give a respon IsiMe reference in this vicinity. I Ailvertisements not exceeding a square will be iiiserteil at One Dollar the first insertion, and 25 tvnts lor every continuance. Longer advertise rm'uts ia like proportion. Court Orders and Ju dicial advertisements '25 per cent, higher. Ad vor!isenicnts must be marked the number of in sertions required, or they will be continued until fctlu rwise ordered and charged accordingly. I Letters addressed to the Editor must be post paid or they may not be attended to. SPEECH Of the Hon. Edward Stanly, in the House of Representatives, on the 28th April, in the debate on the Duel Reports. Mr. STANLY" asked the Speaker if the nuestion before the House was unou the postponement aiivl the printing of the re port. (The Speaker answered in t he al tinnative.) Mr. S. then said the debatt had taken so wide a range, and so many natters had been discussed, not at all con netted with the subject, that it was neces sary to inquire, that his remarks might b (confined to the matter immediately before the House. s I have not been able (Mr. S. continued) to bear the whole debate upon this subject, and i regret it exceedingly; for I shqulo doubtless have been highly entertained, and materially profited, by the learning, information, and ingenuity of the various ''gentlemen who have addressed the House upon this matter. 1 am anxious, sir, to 'occupy the time of the House but a few initiates, and shall therefore avoid a repe tition of arguments which have been ad vanced and maintained by gentlemen bet ter able to do justice to the subject than 1 am. I shall proceed to notice the argu ments in the order in which they were made. And first, sir, let me thank the able jurist from Tennessee, (Mr. Turney,) for -his highly interesting dissertations upon illie law, not only of Tennessee, but of al iinost'all the States,' relative to grand ju , lies. From the extent of this gentleman's information, 1 should, sir, if it be proper to ' express an opinion, venture to say that he . well deserves a placeon the judiciary com ' miiiee. His views ol the laws of sheriffs ; and sheriffs' sales most strangely brought into discussion here possess the merit of novelty, at least; and I shall not be guilty i, of the presumption of denying his posi tions, but will merely say, that if he will ; take the trouble to look more minutely into : the laws of other Slates, he will find he la- bors under misapprehension; and, if the gentleman will pardon me, I rather think I he had in his mind some of the laws of the republic of Franklin, (or Fronklaud,) and ! not those of the enlightened Stale of Ten ! ncssee. t It was urged as an argument against the j printing of this report, that the committee j had exceeded their powers; that they had I passed judgment upon several members ol tliis House, without giving them a chance f of being heard in their defence; and that j to publish this report, under surh circum- stances, would have the effect of making m.iavorable impressions on the public mind as to the conduct of those w ho were concerned in this transaction. To this the learned gentleman from the judiciary committee replied, that to sup press the report would do much more to 'blast the character' of those gentlemen than to publish it; and thai it was our duty first to publish the report, and then exam ine whether ihe committee have exceeded their powers! Now, sir, I cannot see the lurce or propriety of this argument. If an idle hoy should present a gun at his com panion, and be told, Take care, it may be loaded! he might with as much reason say, I will shoot first, and then see! Here is a report, alledged to have been made from improper testimony a one-sided report, made by persons opposed, violently op posed, in their political feelings and opin ions well calculated to injure more than one member of (his House in public esti mation; and w e are told, publish this, send forth to the world this resolution for expul sion, those for censures, and then we will examine if we have been right in so doing. Hut, sir, I leave the learned gentleman learned in the laws "of most of the States" and assure him, with all sincerity, that the ingenuity of his argument suits his law opinions, and his law opinions his argu ment. Two gentlemen from New York (Messrs. Parker and Foster) have also addressed te House upon this subject, and they both 'k who it is that complains of the pro- l: r .i ... au.uLMiieui, as tney are pleased to call uiose ruies in Jt liersou's Manual; and they are generous enough to intimate that they .....iQ iu uuH mem a nine time, upon sufficient cause shown, to provide for ineir oeience, it they come forward and ask it for themselves. Mr. Speaker, I answer the benevolent gentlemen from New York, and tell them that those who interpose what they call "cobwebs of form," do not ask, do not sup plicate for any favors at their hands, or from this House. We who set up these pleas are those who believe. we are protect ing the interests of ourselves and our con stituents, guarding the honor and dignity and feelings of members who are not ask ing kindness from us, but who demand a lair and impartial tribunal to investigate their conduct. For one, 1 shall require ihat the interests and feelings of those they represent shall be looked to by us; I de mand it as a representative of a high-minded people, who would be unwilling to see injustice done to any representative. I ask, sir, do these gentlemen know against whom they are proceeding? With respect, I must say they forget themselves. They peak as if they were silling in judgment wpon the conduct of criminals and felons. Sir, the gentlemen whom they have so un expectedly arraigned are their equals on .Ins floor; ihpy represent, under the Con xlitution and laws of our country, as re sectable a body of men as any of those io who so unwarrantably have undertaken to try them. They have rigllts and inter ests to represent and protect here, and for me, they shall have, on their own account, if no other reason was given, all that the Constitution and laws entitle them to. They shall have all their rights, whether ihey ask for them or not. Would those gentlemen require of the members whose conduct this committee have been investi gating, to file an affidavit and continue this trial? If the gentleman from the Ju diciary Committee will pardon me for touching upon his branch of business, I would say this is not a case to require an affidavit. We are told, sir, rather with an air of boasting, that these gentlemen have been allowed ihe privilege of cross exami nation. What is the value of such a privi lege, constituted as this couiniiitee was? Wonderful clemency, to gie ihem a right they could not exercise! Look to the journal of this committee, and se how of ten questions weie objected io, and we shall see that this privilege was v.oith lit tle. Mr. Speaker, I shall dwell no longer upon the remarks of the gentlemen from New York. Tliev have be en swept away by the able gentleman from Virginia, (Mr. Robertson,) and I shall not, therefore, fa tigue you by any thing further upon these "cobwebs." 1 have not been able, sir, to sit still du ring this most extraordinary and unprece dented proceeding, without feeling some excitement. Hut deeming it my duty not to trespass upon our time, merely to grati fy my own feelings, I should have continu ed silent, as I have hitherto done, but for an argument which has been boldly ad vanced by more than one gentleman who has taken part in this discussion. It is this, sir: That the petitions which were referr ed to the committee, praying for the expul sion of several members of this House, gave to this committee the authority to re port these resolutions for expulsion and censure. Now, sir, I cannot consent to this; I must protest against it. This argu ment, coming from someparts of our coun try, would not surprise me. But, sir, the gentleman from Georgia holds up some of these petitions in Ins hands; he desired them to be read; and he says, too, that the reference of these petitions conferred the authority to report these resolutions. Does the gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Grant laud) not see how this argument, upon other petitions, may be used against him? A gentleman, too, coming from a part of the world representing what we call the in terests of our "peculiar institutions." Mr. Speaker, I am not going to discuss this question; I shall observe the resolution of the 21st December strictly. You need not, therefore, be ready to make "sugges tions" as to rules; 1 promise you to keep in order. Let me suppose that another Congress is in session; that petitions are poured in upon us, praving lor the abolition of slave ry, not only in the District of Columbia, but for the regulation of commerce be tween the States to forbid the selling of slaves. These petitions, if the resolution of 21st December is rescinded, may be re ferred to the Committee for the District of Columbia, or to a select committee. And now, sir, let me suppose that we have an abolition Speaker in that chair, and he ap uccumgs oi tne committee, who asks for time and evidence, who sets up these pleas points a committee to suit his own notions,! a,,u"le pennons are handed over to them. They not only pray to abolish sla very, but they are sometimes couched in the most indecorous, shameful, and abu sive language; they represent slavery as a "wrong and an evil, irreconcilable with the principles of natural justice and hu manity, forbidden by the precepts of Christianity, and at war with the free prin ciples of our Government." And to a committee who entertained such opinions, and had such a precedent as is now at tempted to be established, it would be re garded as a bounden duty to report a bill granting the requests of the petitioners. And would the gentleman from Georgia then admit that the reference of the peti tions conferred the authority? No, sir; I will not do him the injustice to think so for a moment. Yet he could, with as much propriety, say so then as he does now, and let me ask him to think to what extent this authority may be carried. These petitions may pray for the expulsion of those who are guilty of violating the "precepts of Christianity," and ihere might be 'select' committees who would cratify popular clamor, by reporting resolutions to carry into eliect the prayer of the petitions. Mr. Speaker, 1 have said all that I fell bound to say, in discharge of my duty, as a Southern man. I3ut for this argument just referred lo, I should not have tukeu part in this discussion. 1 have slated it as briefly as possible, and shall, as I promised you, observe the rules, and not exuies uiy opinion of the course which 1 have supposed might be pursued hereafter. 1 will not, however, resume my seal without noticing some ol ihe remarks which fell Irom the chairman of this committee. I'liis gentleman commenced his last speech with becoming solemnity, and I confess, sir, 1 was starlled as his sepulchral tones lell upon my ear. It was his solemnity of tone and manner which attracted my at tention, no doubt in accordance with his feelings'. He spoke lamentably, 1 thought, w hen I turned round, I should see Ham let's ghost, marching down the aisle, with extended arm, tellinu his friends This visitation Is but to whet thy almost blunted purpose." From that gentleman's position, I did expect a moral essay. I did expect some gic in defence of his conduct. Hut, sir, his whole speech excited the most indig nant feelings in my breast, lie too, sir, (and I am not surprised at it,) lakes the ground that the petitions conferred theati- thoriiy on the commiltee; that these peti tions pray for the expulsion of certain mem bers of this House, and call them by name. And, sir, let me ask him, if he was so anx ious to gratify the desires of these petition ers, why docs he not report a resolution for the expulsion of all concerned? The petitions, some of them, pray for ihe ex pulsion of the whole. Was no other mem ber of this House concerned? Did not the petitions pray for the arraignment of ames Watson Webb? Out these kind judges, so anxious to discharge their duty strictly, measure the punishment, not as the petitioners w ished, but as they believed just and expedient. They determine who shall be expelled, and who censured, and who shall be most severely punished, by no further notice! The gentleman from Connecticut did not reply with great courtesy to the venerable gentleman from Massachusetts. He com menced with a gross, I will not say inten tional, perversion of his argument. He ays the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. Adams) said, "this committee had committed a erealer breach of privilege than one who has imbrued his hands in his brother's blood." No one who heard the remarks of the gentleman from Massachu setts will say that he used language.of this sort; it belongs to the chairman alone : no other member has thus spoken. It is not my part to answer this remark of the gen tleman from Connecticut; I shall not, there fore, say more of it than to call the atten tion of the House to the language used by ihe chairman. 'Imbrued his hands in his brother's blood' is language becoming another place and a different business from that in which we are now engaged. I have heard it, sir, in courts where they were try ing one who had been 'moved and instiga ted by the devil,' and who had, with mal ice aforethought,' taken away the life of a fellow-creature, from no motive of self-defence, impelled by no respect for th opin ion of the world, but to gratify malice, or lo acquire the filthy lucre of this world. 1 say, sir, it is highly improper here. If it is intended to. excite passion, and inflame prejudice, it deserves the severest reproof. It is evident, sir, this chairman has mista ken his business. Instead of inquiring into the breach of privilege, he has been seek ing out some method of punishing an of fence against Divine command, out, sir, I expect that this is not all I must no nce with disapprobation. The chair man alluded n i,e 'better days' of the gentleman from Massachusetts, as he was pleased to call them. I shall not undertake the defence of the gentleman from Massachusetts; he needs none. He is well able lo take care of himself. He has been nearly half a century in the ser vice of his country, and if there was no other consideration, this entitles him to re spect. I fell surprise at hearing such re marks from one from the land of steady habits, and I felt indignant at hearing such language ppplied lo an old man to one who had been the First Magistrate of the first nation in the world. What did he mean by his better days?' I have been taught lo believe thai a man's better days w ere ihe days of his old age. Sir, his bet ter days are now. The gentleman was mistaken if he meant his physical powers are decayed. His mind grows stronger, then, as his body decays. 1 am willing to believe that these words escaped the chair man in the heal of debate, and upon re flection he will regret the expression. I had intended to notice the remarks of the Chairman, upon the various cases he cited, but it would be unpardonable pre-! sumption to attempt to say more upon this. The able gentleman from V i. ( Mr. Robert son) iu a masterly manner has sifted this argument, and there I leave it, w ith a sin gle remark. In the cases cited, no one w as taken by surprise, every body knew find expected what was to take place. The individuals themselves, who were most in terested. I iiiew what was going on, and had notice lo prepare for it. 1 ask, sir, did any man suppose these gentlemen, whom we are now trying, (as some of us think,) were lo be put on their trial for any high offence? No one thought so; ihey themselves had not the most re mote idea that they were giving testimony against themselves before this grand jury , who were also to be their judges. If this be your trial of the Representative of y respectable portion of our People, you arc more unjust to him than we are in our part of the world to the vilest of the vile In 'some of the Slates,' ihe laws of which have escaped the notice of the gentleman from Teun. (Mr. Turney,) we give a right lo challenge jurors, to select a jury, and we sometimes exclude those who have formed and expressed opinions even upon rumor. In a tiill.ug matter of pounds, shillings aud pence, we give an impartial jury, auu yet, sir, il llie course recom mended by the committee is to be pursued, you will deal with greater severity to wards a membei of this House, than any Court iti our country would with a felon. Expulsion from this House would be to an honorable man worse than death, and this is sought to be done by a verdict of those who had made up their opinion before hand, and believe they were instructed lo do so, to gratify the people! Mr. Speaker, if you thought, sir, that the members whom this commiltee are seeking to punish were to be put on their trial, you would not have selected a parly committed for the purpose; you could not have been guilty of so flagrant a violation of the rules of propriety; you could nol have treated so disrespectfully, so outra geously trampled on, the rights of those they represent! If you had thought this proceeding lo inquire and investigate was a trial of members, you would not have given a packed jury. I w ill nol think you could do an act so unworthy of a member of this House, and of the chair you now occupy; you could not, you would not, you dared not, have been guilty of such outrage, without disrespect to iheir consti tuents and to your own. You would have given them an impartial tribunal, and not one which had already formed opinions, and were ready to condemn. You would not have denied lo a Representative on this floor the privilege ordinarily given to a felon. Mr. Speaker, I will not trouble the House longer. In raising my voice a gainst the construction this committee pui upon the reference of these petitions, 1 have discharged my duty. I voted against the appointment of this committee, not from a wish to prevent inquiry into any breach of privilege, but because I saw we were proceeding under the influence of feelings highly excited. ! wished for the postponement recommended by the gen tleman from Tenn. (Mr. Bell,) that reason might resume her throne, that passion might pass away, and we could act with deliberation. This war denied. The consequence has been, thai those who we thought were a committee of investigation have been acting as judges and jurors; as a Court lo punish offences. 1 conclude, Better days' was the term employer1 by Mrt Toucey in debate, though he has been differently reported in his printed speech. sir, with demanding on my own account for those now implicated, for our mutual rights, a fair and impartial tribunal. Several members having made some re marks Mr. Toucey here asked the reading of a document which he sent to the Clerk's ta ble. He said, before he took his seat, he did not know but he onulu to notice the remarks of the member from North Caro lina, (Mr. Slanly,) who had seen fit to raise his puny voice, and lo brandish his dagger of lath on this occasion. That member had gone out of his way, and vol unteered his services to interfere between Mr. T. -nd the gentleman from Massachu setts, (Mr. Adams,) who had made a vio lent attack upon the committee. He had said that the House had expected from Mr. T. a moral essay, but had been disap pointed. Mr. T. could not say as much respecting the member from North Caro lina. For the House, he was very sure, had expected from him no essay of any kind. The document having been read Mr. Boon made some remarks. Mr. W. C. Johnson obtained the floor, and was about to address the House, w hen he yielded it at the request of Mr. STANLY, who said: I am happy, Mr. Speaker, indeed, sir, I am proud, ihat the honorable chairman of this Investiga ting Committee has so kindly condescen ded to "notce" me. It is an honor I will endeavor duly to appreciate; a notice, al though unfavorable, from so distinguished a gentleman, cannot but excite pleasing emolious. The distinguished chairman of this committee says he did not expect an essay from me. If, sir, I have said any thing worthy of being listened to by the House or any member of it, if I have advanced arguments entitled to any respect, I have the advantage of the chairman. From him something was expccied. We got nothing nothing al least like argument or reasoning! And nothing was expected from im ; but it seems something came, which ha attracted his espei ial notice. He complains, sir, that I censure him for w ords spoken in the "heal oi debate." Mow, sir, I endeavored to palliate his con duct, by using these very words, aud said I had no doubt he had uttered this lan guage, to which I took exception, "in the heat of debate" and, in his calmer mo ments, he would undoubtedly diappruve of ihem. I was more charitable than the chairman gives me credit for. Next, sir, he says that I "interfered" between the honorable gentleman from Massachusetts (Air. Adams) and himself. He greatly mistakes my arguments, and my conduct, if he calls ihis interference. I surely did not intend to interfere, sir, be ttveen the gentleman from Massachusetts and this modest chairman, w ho deems him self his match. I only exercised a privi lege 1 thought, and still think, I was enti tled to, in replying to remarks made in de bale upon a question befoie the House. I have no doubt this chairman would be ex ceedingly glad to make up an issue upon this matter between the gentleman fiom Massachusetts aud himself. He must al low me to say, notoriety, in this mischie vous proceeding, he seems to be seeking greedily; and, rather than be without it, or for fear of not having enough, he is willing to take it at the hands of the gentleman from Massachusetts. Mr. Speaker, this chairman is a learned and classical gentle man, I dare say. He must have heard that "ihe aspiring youth who burnt the Kphe sian dome outlived in lame the pious fools who built it;" and having given up in desr pair the hope of obtaining distinction, by pursuing the dictates of a high and noble ambition, Erostratus like, impelled by the same spirit for distinction, lor notoriety, eager for the approving words of a party, he is willing to be the instrument ol surh gross injustice lo the geniltmen he seems to think he has been trying, and anxious to be thrown indirect conflict wii li tie gen tleman from Massachusetts! 1 ce;nimend his aspirations for fame, but he may pay loo dearly for it. I did say, sir, and 1 repeat it, that his language in reply to the remarks of the gentleman from Massachusetts aroused in my bosom feelings of deep indignation. This chairman did not bring these feelings and sentiments from the Scripture-taught land of Connecticut. They have sprung from a disappointed, malignant ambition, in a committee room, and have been nur tured in the bitterness of parly spirit. He not only replied to his arguments unfairly, but perverted them shamrfully; and, sir, I ask him again, what did he mean by "his better days?" Does he mean, sir, the time when he had patronage to bestow, and of fice to confer? These are a man's "better days," (are they?) with this feeling chair man. Did he mean, sir, the days had past when his physical powers were in their

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