Reginald D. McCaskill speaks about how the community and police can come together as the group listens. \ Photo* by Chanel Davis Rev. Delores (Dee) McCullough works as the group's leader in discussions on how to improve community and police relationships. Police and clergy hold 'honest conversations' BY CHANEL DAVIS THE CHRONICLE Clergy members in Winston-Salem and surrounding areas received hands-on train ing when it comes down to what police have to deal with daily on the job, on a daily basis. Rev. Nathan Scovens. pastor at Galilee Missionary Baptist Church, called the dis cussions "honest conversations." Scovens, who is the department's chaplain, also said that it helps the groups figure out how to enhance the relationship between the police department and the community. "There are two things that jump out today: understanding and appreciation," he said. "What we are trying not to do is to demonize one another because we are one community." The discussion, facilitated by the Winston-Salem Human Relations Commission, was held on Monday, March 17 at the Alexander R. Beaty Public Safety Training and Support Center on Patterson Avenue. Th6 "trust talks", as they were coined, were intended to foster lines of communi cation between police officers and mem bers of the clergy, to eliminate mutual con cerns and perceptions that create barriers. and to increase trust and mutual under standing between police and clergy. The morning included an icebreaker, and group discussions about stereotypes and misconceptions, the goals and objectives that both groups had and the t process and parameters that police do on a daily basis. The clergy also dis covered what happens when a complaint is made against an officer, when and how to use force, and hands-on expe rience in the department's gun simulator that put the clergy in the same dangerous situations that police would face on the street. To conclude the workshop, participants gather to find solutions to the problems that face the community when it comes to interacting with the city's police officers. Some of those concerns were a lack of knowledge, racial profiling, lack of trans parency, communication issues, fear, dis crimination and lack of accountability. Some of the solutions included educa tion, street walks and making sure there is diversity in the conversations. "One of the pastors suggested that maybe on the fifth Sunday, that we have an officer to come to church stand with the pastor to shake the members hands as they are getting out," said Debra "There are two hings that jump out today: understand ing and apprecia tion," Rev. Nathan Scovens Jeter, from Mt. Moriah Outreach Center in I Kernersville. "Just to start and build a relationship besides the clergy to get to know the people. These types of forums won't change any thing if we just come in here to talk and pray about it. We have to be (bbbb proactive and actually do something about it." Scovens said that it's important for the dialogue that has cropped up since the incidents in Ferguson, Missouri, to begin at home. "As I have had to have conversations about Ferguson, and the fears of Ferguson, with my own fami ly, 1 encourage others to do the same," he said. "When it comes to the church, it's about personal responsibility and making sure that we try as best we can to remain on the right side of the law. Police Chief Barry Rountree said that he is glad that the opportunity presented itself for both police and clergy to hear each other out. He said he looks forward to improving the service that is given to resi dents. "We do take the feedback that we gain from these sessions, we've used it from our previous trust talks, to do things better and change policies," he said. "That infor mation is not just being placed on a piece of paper." Police from page Al be worried about those statements. "The older officer (Rose) fell short when he began arguing with the man. calling the man jeal ous and strange, talking about the man's family and questioning the man's men tal capacity," she said. "That was unnecessary police behavior and shows improper crisis de-escala tion skills." A representative with the department said they were "unable to speak about the matter" because it is a personnel matter. Investigators believe that the video was a part of a national trend titled "First Amendment Audit," according to a media release sent out Friday afternoon from the Winston-Salem Police Department. The purpose of the trend is to attract the attention of law enforce ment or military security personnel to determine if those security personnel will infringe on their First Amendment rights. According to the American Civil Liberties Union, taking photos of things that are plainly visi ble from public spaces is a constitutional right and that includes federal buildings, transportation facilities and > police and other govern ment officials carrying out their jobs. When in public spaces where you area lawfully ? present, you have the right ' to photograph anything that ? is in plain view, except r when you are on private property, where the owner - can set the rules. The release states thaf Rose approached Goins "because Mr. Goins ? appeared to be photograph ing the critical infrastruc ture of the Police ? Department facilities." An email, according to ? the video and the release, was sent out about Goins early February after he was seen observing other build ? ings in the area, including ? the Hiram H. Ward Federal I Building, the Forsyth County Hall of Justice, the *? Forsyth County Sheriff s 7 Office and the Winston Salem Transit Authority Administrative Building and fuel pumps. f "The point of citizens' ? rights to record law ? enforcement is for pohce *?. citizen encounters The ' point is not to randomly ? \ film police departments just to prove a point about First Amendment and pub lic property," Dennis said. "Doing so just to prove a point can be problematic, especially since the First Amendment is not equally applied across demograph ics and across contexts " i While it was not released what would hap pened to Rose, officers will receive additional training regarding encounters with residents that may be engaged in similar activi ties. In the release, residents were also encouraged to call the police or the Department of Homeland Security in the event they spot someone who is videotaping critical infra structure or behaving in a suspicious manner. Don't ignore foot pain-it's not normal. 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