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Copyright 1985 The Daily Tar Heel
Serving the students and the University community since 1893
Volume S3, Issue 1C0
Wednesday, November 13, 1985
Chapel HiSI, North Carolina
By RACHEL STROUD
A vigil to present concerns about the firing of George
Gamble, associate director of the Campus Y, drew about
45 supporters in front of Steele Building Tuesday.
Campus Y members and other students held posters,
passed out fliers and made speeches that expressed their
feelings about the firing of Gamble. The vigil was the first
of a series of vigils to be held through Friday.
Students participating Tuesday said they were bothered
by the way the situation had been handled. They said that
Gamble was an asset to the Campus Y and that the firing
caused them to worry about the future of the Campus Y
and student's future input.
Roger Orstad, Campus Y co-president, began the
successions of short speeches by saying the Campus Y was
a healthy, open and trustworthy environment. He said he
thought this environment had been threatened by the
dismissal of Gamble.
"Students having input is being threatened," he said. 4We
need some results. Some sort of reconciliation needs to be
attempted between the director and associate director."
We need to get on with the major programs the Campus
Y has to offer the campus and community, he said.
Ingrid Brunk, co-chair of Students Taking Action for
Nuclear Disarmament, a Campus Y committee, said she was
worried about the effect of the Campus Y not being a student
"Students organize events like Footfalls Road Race and
the Crafts Bazaar," she said. "We raise money for the Y.
It's not fair to expect this input from us and then not give
us any consideration," she said.
"We know what's good for the Y," Brunk said.
When asked her opinion on the vigils, Campus Y director
Zenobia Hatcher-Wilson said she felt the students were
exercising their rights to stand on a principle.
"It is something they feel strongly about, and they are
doing what they can," she said. .
"I don't take it personally," she said. "They are taking
a stand for what they believe in just as I stand on principles.
Maybe we should work on how each of us views our roles."
Hatcher-Wilson said she was ready to work with the
students. She said that her role was advisory and that she
did not intend to step in and do the student's work.
"1 see both sides the student's viewpoints and mine
as director of the Y," she said.
Hatcher-Wilson said Gamble was fired under the "at-will"
clause in his employment contract, which states she may
fire him "without cause." Under this clause, Hatcher-Wilson
is not legally bound to state a precise cause for his dismissal.
"One can't change that," she said. "You can't just give
him a cause and fire him again."
Gamble said it was only possible to speculate on why
he was fired. He said Hatcher-Wilson essentially felt it wasn't
possible for her to work with him any longer.
He said he did not think his firing was the main issue,
but rather what the role was of the students and Campus
1 Y advisory board.
When asked about the vigils, Gamble said he thought it
was very important for students to express their views.
Students did not believe inquiries to Edith Wiggins,
associate vice-chancellor of student affairs, and Donald A.
Boulton, dean of student affairs, to be satisfactory, he said.
He said students felt more public displays were in order.
"I think the student governing body of this organization,
which is recognized as having a role in hiring, should also
play a part in the termination process," Gamble said.
When asked what he would like to see happen in the
near future, Gamble said he would like the decision to be
reversed and for he and Hatcher-Wilson to attempt to
negotiate what difference there was between them.
"The likelihood of this decision, I don't know," he said.
"I feel good about the work IVe done, the advisory board
and the students," he said. "I think something good will
come from that. I don't think it can all be ignored and set
"Currently, I am uncomfortable with the situation, but
I'm not pessimistic about it," Gamble said.
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Editors 'Note: This story is part of an extensive series
focusing on University academic departments.
By KAREN YOUNGBLOOD
A lack of an undergraduate major, an engineering
school and space hasn't kept the department of
computer science from becoming one of the best in
The department rates about 15 or 16 out of more
than 50 in the country, said Jay Nievergelt, chairman
of the computer, science department.
Although the department is small in size compared
to similar departments at other universities, the growth
taking place, as well as the desire for achievement,
reflects very big expectations.
"It is certainly a goal to be, and to be recognized
to be, among the top 10 (computer science) departments
in the country," said Peter Calingaert, a computer
science professor. "WeVe been able to get major grants,
we're recognized as a major department and we're
getting 600 applications a year for graduate study. But
other departments aren't standing still either."
Nievergelt said the department is putting a great
deal of effort into growth. "This is one of the smaller
computer science departments," he said. "We have
about 18 faculty members, and we have three faculty
members to fill by next fall. We have made our own
priority list, and we try, according to that list, to achieve
national visibility, which we have."
The computer science department was established
in 1964, making it one of the earliest computer science
departments at a university, Nievergelt said.
Despite the computer boom of the 1980s, it is
currently impossible to get an undergraduate degree
in computer science at UNC. Undergraduates
interested in computer science can get a degree in
mathematics with a computer science option.
Yet faculty members and students said they didn't
see the lack of an undergraduate degree as a problem. .
One graduate student in the department said he thought
getting an undergraduate degree in computer science
could be a mistake.
"I don't think its appropriate for a liberal arts
education," said Stephen Duncan. "It tends to make
one too narrowed. If you look at the graduate students
there's a wide variety of experience and background.
I majored in classics."
Duncan said that to satisfy an undergraduate degree
in computer science, one would have to sacrifice
There are about 250 undergraduates majoring in
mathematics with the computer science option.
Undergraduates are only required to take four
computer courses, although many take more, said
Stephen F. Weiss, professor of computer science.
Although this may not seem like much, George Cutrell,
a" junior mathematics major from Windsor, said
students came out of the program well-prepared.
"Right off, you'd think four courses doesn't sound
like much, but I have a friend who's working for IBM,
and they're more or less showing her what she needs
to know," Cutrell said. "The courses are pretty intense.
You learn everything in a short time. Most of it is
learning how to think like a computer."
Having undergraduates major in mathematics with
a computer science option is more practical, Nievergelt
"I feel the computer science they take is appropriate,"
he said. "From a computer science graduate you would
like to expect a knowledge of hardware you go
from some knowledge of hardware to a large knowledge
of software. This broad spectrum just cannot be
absorbed in anything close to four courses. It's just
right for mathematics, but it cannot meet a B.S. in
a computer science today."
Calingaert said one of the concerns of the computer
science department was to make people aware of how
to use a computer. The department has made such
"service projects" one of its main priorities, Nievergelt
The service courses are intended to provide computer
literacy to those who want it, Nievergelt said. "It is
a course for those who may never take another
computer science course. (It is) for some general
knowledge about the role computers play in society.
That includes knowing what a computer can do."
Duncan said too many students falsely assumed they
had to learn computer programming to operate a
"Too many students look to programming . . . and
I don't think that's the way to it," he said. "It's like
someone trying to learn how to wire a house when
all they want to know is how to use the appliances."
The graduate program is successful, with 80-90
percent graduating with a master's degree or doctorate,
"The involuntary attrition rate is almost zero," he
said. "There are some who never get finished
Duncan said the .completion vrate -of - graduate
students depended on other reasons.
"A lot of people get hired before they actually finish,
and they keep studying," he said. "I'd say 75 percent
make it all the way through. Not many actually flunk
out. If you're doing well you're going to stay. Maybe
5 to 6 percent flunk out."
Nievergelt agreed. "I think almost all get a degree,"
he said. "I'm not aware that the graduate students drop
out. I would be really surprised."
He said some graduate students may have entered
the computer science program with the intention of
getting a doctorate and then settled for a master's
"The Ph.D is something you don't start by saying
'I want it,' " he said. "If you write a term paper, you
can do that with one sustained effort. If you write
a Ph.D thesis, you have to have another technique
of going about it."
The fields for computer science graduates are endless,
"The majority take positions in industry," he said.
"Some go into teaching, some go into government
there's hardly an area where you can't use a computer
Robert Weir, a graduate student in the computer
science program, said he chose computer science
because of the number of job possibilities.
"The job market is still good," he said. "They're (the
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By JO FLEISCHER
The N.C. State Board of Trustees
voted Friday to divest part of its
endowment fund from all companies
that do business in South Africa but
do not abide by the Sullivan Prin
ciples, guidelines designed to give
blacks opportunities they would not
ordinarily have under that country's
The decision came in part from
student requests that N.C. State
divest, said A. Jay Everette, NCSU
student body president and BOT
member. He said the interests of
students had as much impact on the
board's decision as any other factor.
"Anti-Apartheid groups on cam
pus circulated petitions, which they
presented to the trustees," Everette
said. "Also the Chancellor's Liason
Committee, which is made up of
representatives from 15 student
organizations, met with the chancel
lor and expressed their concerns
about the school's financial portfo
lio," he said.
Everette said he felt that the
decision was a "fair and prudent"
course of action.
UNC's trustees voted to divest part
of the University's endowment fund
according to the Sullivan Principles
a year and a half ago, said Wayne
Jones, associate vice chancellor of
finance at UNC.
"We discussed the issue in depth
two years ago and held open meet
ings at which various students
presented their veiws both in favor
of divestment and in opposition to
it as well," Jones said. "And we made
what we think was a prudent deci
sion, since those companies that
follow the Sullivan Principles have
"T apositive- influence- over there,- at
least in the workplace."
Jones also said the amount of
stock in the endowment fund that
involves companies doing business in
South Africa was about 5 percent
of the total, or $4 million as of last
The Sullivan Principles were
developed in 1977 by Leon H.
Sullivan, a Baptist minister. They
specify the non-segregation of races
in 'he workplace, equal-employment
opportunity, equal pay, training
programs for supervisory positions
for non-whites, increasing the
number of non-whites in supervisory
posts, and improving housing,
schools and life outside the work
place for non-whites. Companies
that agree to abide by these prin
ciples are required to report annually
to Sullivan and his auditing firm,
Arthur D. Little and Associates.
UNC Student Body President
Patricia Wallace said she was con
cerned that the adoption of the
Sullivan Principles by both schools
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Dr. Hubert Lindley, a blind preacher from Nashville, Tenn.,
professing his beliefs in the Pit Tuesday afternoon to a larger
than usual crowd. "No woman can be happy without being
subject to a real man," he saith.
Rally emphasizes need ioi?
beUef handicapped access
By DONNA LEINWAND
Despite having its rally cut short by rain, Need
for Equal Education for Disabled Students tried
to make people in the Pit more aware of the need
for funds to make the campus more accessible to
"In 1983, the General Assembly discontinued
funding for barrier removal, which translates into
a future of discrimination for disabled students,"
rally coordinator Tim Smith told the crowd.
"Society discriminates against handicapped people
by beliefs and attitudes. The barriers aren't all
physical in nature. They are psychological.
"There is one tool to knock down the psycho
logical barriers and that tool is education. We must
build a basic foundation of understanding, raise the
walls of consciousness, and kick open the doors
to . . . our civil rights and our freedom."
William Shields of the Governor's Advocacy
Council for Persons with Disabilities said handi
capped people had the same desires as the non
disabled. "We want schooling," he said. "We want to fall
in love. We want to pass our quizzes. We want
to get, a job and pay our taxes. We want to get
married and have children."
Following Shields, Dr. Hubert Lindsey, a blind
minister, spoke but was unable to finish because
of the rain.
"Some people that aren't handicapped physically
are handicapped mentally," Lindsey said. "It's the
barrier in thinking that needs to come down. The
general public doesn't know how to cope with the
Wayne Lofton, a representative from the office
of the lieutenant governor, said: "We're first of all
supporting the effort to secure funds, but even more
valid is the point that disabled people are entitled
to the same choices and opportunities as any UNC
student. We're going to work together to see that
these funds are appropriated."
Also speaking was Randy Brantley from the office
of Sen. Wanda Hunt, D-Moore, 16th Dist.
"There has been a decrease in funding, but some
legislation has been introduced,". Brantley said.
This legislation includes a $50,000 appropriation
to Radio Reading Service and a law to lower costs
of licensing assistance dogs, making them more
available and allowing them on any premises.
"The University system is liable," Lofton said.
"The General Assembly would not be liable, at least
in my opinion, because the University makes
presentations to the General Assembly."
Kip McDowell, of Services for the Blind, said
one of the biggest problems handicapped students
faced was isolation.
"There are two dorms that are barrier-free, so
disabled students are isolated socially from everyone
else," McDowell said.
Nyrop said: "We tend to make too many excuses
for why we don't appropriate money. The economy
in North Carolina is strong. If we give disabled
people education, they'll get jobs and pay taxes.
It's economics and it just makes sense."
Despite lack of funds, UNC has, still managed
to complete some barrier removal projects. Howell
Hall was made accessible with money from the
Chancellor's Discretionary Fund. Smith said.
Laura Thomas, Handicapped Student Services
coordinator said: "Funds have to be sought. 1 1' funds
cannot be secured then the plans fall through. There
are projects that would be very helpful. It would
be helpful if Murphy Hall had an elevator."
The nurse of full-grown souls is solitude James Russell Lowell