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Serving the students and the University community since 1893
Volume 93, Issue 109
Tuesday, November 26, 1985 Chapel Hill, North Carolina
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By GRANT PARSONS
George R. Gamble has been reinstated as
associate director of the Campus Y, Zenobia
Hatcher-Wilson, director of the Campus Y, said
in a press release Monday.
Gamble and Hatcher-Wilson have agreed not
to discuss publicly the conditions concerning his
reinstatement, according to the the press release.
The decision came after negotiations that
lasted until 3 a.m. Monday between Gamble,
Hatcher-Wilson, Edith Wiggirs, associate vice
chancellor for student affairs, and Maria Young
and George Lensing of the Campus Y advisory
Hatcher-Wilson dismissed Gamble seven
weeks ago, and his last day had been scheduled
for Jan. 6. His reinstatement follows weeks of
protests and vigils by Campus Y members who
wanted him reinstated, claiming that students'
interests were not considered in the firing
By DENISE JOHNSON
Kenneth Fassie and his younger
brother attended a rally in South Africa
nine years ago protesting the living
conditions of his family and his people.
He was tear-gassed and his brother
"My younger brother was running
beside me (after they threw tear gas at
us). I looked back and saw my brother
was not beside me. ... I thought he
had a broken ankle. As I went back
to pull him up, I did not realize he was
dead. The second time, I saw his face
... he had been shot and blood was
upon his shirt," Fassie said.
Fassie, a student from Cape Town,
South Africa who attends N.C. Central
University, said the death of his brother
prompted him to become a political
activist and organizer of protests against
the South African practice of apartheid.
..Fassie .spoke, in., the . Student . Union
Monday night at a discussion sponsored
by the UNC Anti-Apartheid Support
Fassie criticized the American invol
vement in South Africa as being
harmful to blacks.
uMost people do not understand we
are not only oppressed by the South
African government," he said. "The
western world is (also oppressive).
"Ford Motor Company offered
South Africa shock batons and trucks
to maintain stability," he said. "You can
see how the involvement of these
companies is not just economic, but
He said support groups in the United
States for the anti-apartheid movement
were creating a separation between the
government and the black people,
which is what South African blacks'
See APARTHEID page 3
Hatcher-Wilson said in the press release: "On
Sunday night, November 24, 1985, I called a
meeting of George Gamble, George Lensing,
Maria Young and Edith Wiggins that continued
"The purpose of those meetings was to indicate
my willingness to be responsive to the sentiments
of the students, Advisory Board of the Campus
Y, and many others in the University Commun
ity. As a result of those meetings, I have
reconsidered the personnel decision based on the
conditions mutually agreed upon.
"Mr. Gamble will remain in his position
beyond January 6, 1986," the press release said.
"An important condition of the change is our
agreement not to discuss publically the terms
under which I am allowing Mr. Gamble to
remain." The release is signed by Hatcher
Wilson. Gamble, speaking Monday to a group of
Campus Y members, said he was happy with
Hatcher-Wilson's decision to reinstate him.
"I hope that with my reinstatement the
University has seen a change toward students'
interests that you students have created,"
Because of his agreement with Hatcher
Wilson, Gamble said he could not talk about
the conditions of his reinstatement.
"What I can do is assure you to the best of
my abilities that I am willing to live by and
am comfortable with the conditions set forth
in the press release," Gamble said.
Gamble said he had hoped the conditions of
his reinstatement would not have to be kept
secret. "Secret things are kind of anathema to
this University's beliefs," Gamble said. "We were
unable to reach an agreement that the reasons
could be made public."
Hatcher-Wilson said Monday she decided to
reinstate Gamble because after listening to the
students, she felt there was a need to be
"I did it because this is the Y being
responsible to the Y," she said. "It is in that
spirit that I decided to reconsider my decision."
Hatcher-Wilson said she hoped that the Y
could now move on to more productive issues,
and said she would not elaborate beyond what
was written in the press release about why the
conditions of Gamble's reinstatement should be
"It's just not necessary," she said. "It was
mutual for George Gamble and I and is therefore
not necessary to discuss it.
"We have both pledged to work for the Y,"
Roger Orstad, Campus Y co-president, said
Monday that he was glad to get Gamble
reinstated. "This has been the goal of our whole
efforts so far," he said. "We feel good now.
"(But) there is a little problem with keeping
the conditions of Gamble's firing secret," Orstad
said. "George expressed that he was happy with
it that's what's important."
Orstad said it was important to thank
Hatcher-Wilson for reinstating Gamble. "That
further states that the Y believes what it stands
for," he said. "It's going to re-establish students'
faith in what the students stand for."
Gamble was reinstated, Orstad said, because
the parties involved thought it was in the best
interests of the Campus Y.
"Student pressure had a great deal of impact
on the administration," he said. "WeVe put a
lot of heat on the administration to come to
a solution to this problem."
There are still many questions concerning
student affairs, Orstad said, "for example, how
student affairs answers the needs of the students.
"Just because the Campus Y isssue is resolved
does not mean the larger issues go away."
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Eric Walker, a junior from New Bern, speaking to students in the Pit about Student Affairs
By GRANT PARSONS
A group of about 30 students
marched through Steele Building Mon
day to protest a lack of consideration
of student input by University admin
istrators when making decisions that
affect student life.
Chanting, "We want the student in
student affairs," the marchers came
from a rally in the Pit to voice discontent
with the Division of Student Affairs.
They stayed in the central hallway and
chanted for about two minutes before
Later, another group presented letters
signed by students calling for action by
Donald Boulton, vice chancellor and
dean of student affairs, to end the
"blatant disregard of students' rights
and feelings in the operation in the office
of student affairs."
The. rally .spo.moied Jby Students. for,
a Student "Voice, drew about J 50
spectators as some students spoke and
about 25 others stood in the Pit holding
signs saying "Students in Steele chains,"
"Education, not diction" and "It's 1985.
Do you know where your rights are?"
"We've been stepped on," Karl
Tameler, a spokesman for Students for
a Student Voice, told the crowd.
"They're not using student affairs in the
interests of the students. They're using
it in an effort to maintain the status
Tameler said the latest incident in a
string of events that showed disregard
for the students was the dismissal of
George R. Gamble, associate director
of the Campus Y.
Gamble was reinstated Monday after
being dismissed over a month ago by
Campus Y Director Zenobia Hatcher
Campus Y Co-president Kim Rey
nolds said Boulton had not fully
considered her input concerning Gam
"You always hear the same story,"
Reynolds said. "They tell us they value
our input and that they appreciate our
concern. They tell us that they'll
consider our views and shuffle us out
"They also add 4We know what's best
for the Y,' " she said to loud cheers from
the crowd. "Then, as we walk out the
door, they say, 'By the way, all this
publicity is not a good thing.' "
Robert J. Cox, an associate professor
in the Speech department, said the
faculty supported students in their
efforts to get Gamble reinstated.
. "The faculty members IVe talked to
are astounded at how this affair has
been handled," Cox said. "In the past,
the faculty may have had questions
"biif we have kept our peace - but no
Cox said there were a number of
questions that needed to be answered
by the Division of Student Affairs.
"Number one: Why was an effective and
popular professor fired?" he said. "Two:
Why was there no student input into
the decision to fire him." t
Other questions, Cox said, that
needed answers were why students were
not given an explanation for Gamble's
firing and why Boulton had not acted
in the student's interests to reinstate
"Also, what precedent does this
establish about student affair's control
over student organizations," he said.
Sibby Anderson, president of the
Black Student Movement, said she had
a similar experience when talking with
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By JANET OLSON
Students remained dissatisfied with
the Division of Student Affairs after a
two-hour meeting Monday with
Donald A. Boulton, vice chancellor and
dean of student affairs.
Boulton met with about 50 students
in the Campus Y Lounge to discuss the
future of the Campus Y and students'
relations with the Division of Student
Affairs. The meeting followed the
reinstatement of Campus Y Associate
Director George R. Gamble, who had
been dismissed by Campus Y Director
Zenobia Hatcher-Wilson over a month
ago. Gamble's last day had been
scheduled for Jan. 6.
Hatcher-Wilson reinstated Gamble
on Monday, following weeks of student
vigils and protests about the lack of
student input into his dismissal. Boulton
met with students at the request of Joel
Katzenstein, organizer of Students for
a Student Voice, the new group formed
to voice student concerns about their
relationship with the Division of
Students told Boulton at the meeting
that although they were happy with
Gamble's reinstatement, they were
dissatisfied with the secrecy surround
ing it. Hatcher-Wilson had said earlier
in the day that she and Gamble had
agreed to keep the conditions of his
David Brown, former Campus Y co
president, said keeping the terms of the
reinstatement secret was perpetuating
students' distrust of the Division of
"I don't think it would be unfair for
some students to think that this rein
statement is merely pushing back the
date (of Gamble's dismissal) to May 6
instead of January 6," Brown said.
Boulton said he was pleased with
Hatcher-Wilson's decision to reinstate
Gamble, but said he could not discuss
the terms of the agreement. "I intend
to honor their pledge (of confidentiality)
very deeply," Boulton said.
He also declined to say whether he
supported the pledge of confidentiality
in Gamble's reinstatement, saying that
state law prevented him from discussing
Fetzer Mills, a senior who attended
the meeting, told Boulton that he felt
the whole issue of Gamble's dismissal
could have been avoided if the Division
of Student Affairs had taken the
Campus Y advisory board's recommen
dation in hiring Hatcher-Wilson as
Campus Y director last summer.
Jennifer Ayer, a member of the
advisory board, agreed, saying that
board members had "severe reserva
tions" about hiring Hatcher-Wilson and
that as a board member, she felt her
opinion wasn't considered sufficiently.
"I felt that my written recommenda
tions were not looked at carefully," Ayer
Professor Charles Jenner of the
biology department, who also attended
the meeting, said faculty members also
were dissatisfied with how Hatcher
Wilson was hired. Jenner is not a
member of the advisory board, but he
said faculty representatives on the board
had expressed their dissatisfaction to
Boulton said administrators in the
Division of Student Affairs made the
final decision in hiring Hatcher-Wilson
because of a University policy that
University personnel must be hired by
a University official.
"But I dont believe that anyone was
excluded from that process," Boulton
said. "I dont think the process was
meant to exclude anybody.
Toward the beginning of the meeting,
Boulton said he recognized that stu
dents dissatisfaction with his office
went beyond the Gamble issue.
"I have a feeling . . . that there are
a lot of areas where this has happened,"
he said. "I can only speak for myself,
but I will say that I care and I know
a lot of other people care, too.
"I know that over the past two years,
I have lost touch with students. I intend
to do a better job of getting in touch
with each of you and the concerns that
Boulton said he partly faulted himself
for the lack of understanding between
students and student affairs. "You
shouldn't have to learn (how the
division works) by luck," he said. "We
havent done a good enough job of
telling you who's in charge."
When asked to list concrete ways he
would improve communication
between his office and students, Boulton
said, "I'm starting with me, and I'm
going to talk to my staff. I dont have
all the solutions. I need your input."
Rudy Colleredo-Mansfield, a Cam
pus Y member at large, said one of the
main problems with the Division of
Student Affairs was that it operated on
"administrative time," not student time.
"Student affairs seems to co-opt
issues in a committee that's not going
to meet for a few months," Colloredo
Mansfield said. "It seems that the
position of student affairs is to wait until
Boulton disagreed. "I have never
stalled or tried to stall in any way," he
said. "I don't operate that way."
University procedures are often at
fault in the slowness of the decision
making process, he said. "It isn't just
student affairs that's saying let's put the
After the meeting, students said they
didn't think Boulton had given them
any answers to their problems.
"I heard a lot of avoiding of answers,"
Campus Y member Sue Kuhn said.
"But I think it's important that things
are being brought out in the open
not so much so that Dean Boulton can
hear them, but because it gives ...
students a chance to bring together a
lot of scattered experiences.
Katzenstein, who organized the
meeting, said: "I think it was an
exceptional gesture on Dean Boulton's
part to come here.
"I think . . . (his answen to student
questions) were very carefully calcu
lated to act as a yeast tablet to suppress
our appetite. We're not any happier
than we were . . . (before the meeting)
except for the fact that communication
levels are clearer."
Katzenstein said he was disappointed
that Edith Wiggins, associate vice
chancellor of student affairs, did not
attend the meeting, as Boulton had told
him she would.
Wiggins said Monday afternoon that
she didn't plan to attend because
Boulton knew as much about the issue
as she did. "I dont feel I'm letting the
students down because Boulton is fully
capable of talking on this issue," she
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