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The daily Tar Heel. (Chapel Hill, N.C.) 1946-current, August 21, 1986, Page 18, Image 18

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2BThe Daily Tar Heel Thursday, August 21. 1986 Wootem: Loss of influence Ellis: Share the Earth TTim Woolen is first vice chair l man of UNC College Repub fjD lieans. He said he does not support apartheid, but differs from the UNC Anti-Apartheid Support Group on how it can be abolished. He currently does not support further sanctions against South, Africa. Do )ou agree with the Senates decision to impose economic sanc tions on South Africa? South Africa is in a position wtijere the United States helps it financially but wc do not support Sopth Africa. Without the United States, the nation could stand. While vq are in the country, we are in a position to push them toward demo cracy, towards equality." To impose veity strict sanctions or to divest wciuld anger the current government, pushing it more toward the far right, pr-apartheid faction, while the United States would become unable topressure them toward loosening apartheid restrictions, he said. The moderate faction is losing power. 1 know they may seem far right to us, but there is a far right wpich supports the apartheid system . they are even upset with (Pres ident) Botha because they think he's gojng too fast. If the moderate force loses power, jt will leave the far right arjd the leftist African National Congress, which has ties to the Soviet Union. It could lead to a clih, a bloody civil war. believe it's a waste when we ft- could have an evolution away from apartheid instead of a bloody revo luion. Other foreign countries are polling out of the area and without us who is going to pressure the South African government? $ome would argue that the United States has not been very effective in it?' current method of trying to influence change from within. That's just not true. Apartheid is ntjw in the process of being dis mantled. It's a slow process. For scone I guess it is too slow. Apartheid hs been ingrained in these white people for centuries. It can't be immediately changed. Overnight chtange could mean a bloody revo lution and with a bloody revolution something could come in that w ould be; worse than apartheid. Look at Ethiopia. It was taken ovieT by the communists and look at the 'situation; they have mass star- ' vaifon and unrest. Look at Zim babwe, with its mass killings. Iran isa situation where we completely Jphoto id's $9.00 a up Pictures for Job Applications ?and Resumes 2 for $5 Laminating $1 and up All Done While You wait WIcoiti Bade Studnts! THE GYM is for you this fall! j Yw" t -M y ' 7 f " I A '- I ; ) f -jr. ; W limiiiii imiwMiiiiimaiiiii iimiirTnniiMiiiiiiiiiiiittiiiiiiiiiini inmHiir'frnrTm tiiwniwMr-- .1 We've added new programs, equipment, and service to meet the ever-changing needs of our members. Come in today and experience our quality workout. Once you do, you'll never settle for less. 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They are a strong coun try economically, one of the strong est in Africa, with the possible exception of Egypt. Without us in there, the right wing could take over, say 'They (the United States) .are supposed to be our friends and look what they've done; why should we listen to them?' ... it could push Botha more toward the far right. It could push us back 10 years in the fight against apartheid." What do you think the United States' role should be in South Africa? "I think we would be an economic and moral force. We should stay in there economically. We have lever age in there, not a whole lot, but we do have leverage. "The companies in South Africa are a force. They treat blacks more equally than the South African government, equal pay at least." The United States could consider sanctions to fight apartheid, but slowly and cautiously, Wooten said. "We have done that to a certain extent. President Reagan issued the 361-4698 2501 Highway 54 Durham, NC (3 miles from Woodcroft) featuring Dick Gregory's Bahamian Diet Carrboro 933-9249 r fj V. S.., ' 1L Jim Wooten executive order banning the sale of gold Krugerrands in the United States. 1 hate to call it token sanctions, but that might not be a bad idea. I think Reagan's executive order went far enough. I'm not sure' the, Senate sanctions . were necessary." Do you feel blacks in South Africa want sanctions? "There are many factions. There's the African National Congress, which has said they want violence' to overthrow the government. There is Bishop Tutu, who has said he also wants sanctions, but has not said he supports revolution, 1 think. And there is the head of the Zulu tribe, the largest in South Africa, who has said he thinks sanctions should not be imposed." How do you think blacks will be affected by the sanctions passed last week? . "There will likely be unemploy ment and if not unemployment, lower wages. -"A lot of people on campus don't understand we are trying to abolish apartheid. But it can't be done that fast . . . we've got hundreds of miles to go and we've only gone a few miles, but to do it fast could as 1 said bring in something worse than before." AflflS WC3BM 4 sect CESEMCI EErtST FIVE i - V Lii." 'mil" --at r v. ;X 7 ! WHAT I'JE LEAE1H FROM THE HYDRA lUBIinME THE STIWB OUT OF HEM DISEASE. UNC N l 1 c B ROSEMARY Jimmy Ellis, a UNC graduate student in sociology, spoke to The Daily Tar Heel on Monday about the U.S. Congress' recent decision to impose economic sanc tions against South Africa. He is originally from Capetown, South Africa, where he studied and later taught sociology at the University of the Western Cape. "1 think I have been against apartheid all my life," Ellis said. "My understanding of what the Christian gospel teaches about the notions of justice, righteousness, peace, love and sharing the earth certainly plays an important role on how 1 look upon apartheid." Do you agree with Congress' decision to impose economic sanc tions on South Africa? "I feel all means of pressure that are of a nonviolent nature ought to be exerted and that therefore sanc tions, as they are a part of nonviolent measures, are appropriate. We have to look at them carefully, because the usual condemnation from the right-wing or conservative camp is that sanctions and everything that goes along with them will hurt the people that they intend to help." How do you feel about that argument? "1 feel that kind of argument is tortuous logic, because it does not address the problem at hand. First of all, what does it mean to help the people in South Africa? 1 don't think that the South African people who are oppressed at this time are saying, 'Listen, we want to be more economically privileged.' They are not saying 'We want. to be as economically privileged as the white people here. They are saying 'We want a full share of the way in which this country operates. We want to be recognized as citizens of this country, with all the legal and other social rights and privileges "The other usual response to that argument is, 'Hey, black people suffer anyway, what will it be to suffer more?' 1 think that is a valid point, because . . . how many people over the years have had to suffer this situation and are saying they don't mind that the situation gets tougher if they know that down the road there will be for them a totally different situation? But 1 would hasten to say that that part of the argument doesn't matter matter that much to black people. The more important part of it is that sanctions . . . affect white people more than The hydra not the nine-headed mythological serpent slain by Hercules, but a tiny freshwater cousin to the jellyfish may come to the aid of patients suffering from congestive heart failure. At least that's the preliminary findings by American Heart Association sponsored researcher, Dr. Georgia Lesh-Laurie. Her research has led to the uncovering of a substance found in the toxin of the Hydra's sting that will strengthen the heartbeat. The beauty of this discovery is that the new substance could be a replacement for digitalis, the current drug administered to patients suffering from cardiovascular problems. Digitalis, made from the purple foxglove plant, increases the heart's pumping power without increasing oxygen demand. But, patients with kidney problems cannot use digitalis. The phenomenon was first noticed in people stung by jellyfish. They noticed a sudden neurological and cardiovascular response. In her research, Dr. Lesh-Laurie found that the toxins contained a protein substance that increased heart rates and pumping power, but seemingly without the side effects of digi talis. The next step is to try to develop a drug with heart stimulating responses, in a small enough amount not to trigger the body's immune systems. Research is an investment that makes a difference. WE'RE FIGHTING FOR NOUR LIFE American KING SEISVIICES Town off Ohapel Hill 96-275 5 Convenient Locations Available Hourly and Monthly Rates FRANKLIN E 5 S 2 y - urii : u ; ; 1 'We want a full share of the way in which this country operates.' black people. "When your business community in South Africa goes to the govern ment and says, 'Please change,' it indicates that here is a sizable section of the South African community that feels the pinch of a weakened economy . . . Also, when the elec torate, which is responsible for putting their government in power, starts feeling that pinch more and more in their pocketbooks, in their lifestyles they will rethink that situation when the next election comes up. "It may be a long-term process. The alternative is always for black people to sit back and say, 'Well, let's take the crumbs for now and let's take the humiliation that goes along with it, the oppression, the exploitation.' That alternative is not an alternative that black people are happy with, when they have suffered this long." What do you think South Africa's response to these sanctions will be? "For now, a typical response will be to say to the world, 'If you do that impose sanctions, we've got all these satellite nations surrounding our borders, so heavily dependent on us, on our economy, they work in our mines, in our factories . . . they're going to suffer. "The other way in which they will react is to say 'We will have to go things alone,' and in a greater sense than before ... In the Carter admin istration, there were also talks of sanctions "and tougher, policies toward South Africa.. One of the things they the South African government did at the time was to develop a total strategy to fight what Heart Association X. ... : Jimmy Ellis they called the 'total onslaught.'They perceived not only communist aggression . . . through Mozam bique and Angola, but they per ceived that total onslaught also to be this kind of of pressure that comes from nations that used to be their friends. And the total strategy was really a military concept, inspired by the military. The idea was to get everybody behind the government's policy of fighting this total ons laught. They had a number of big conferences with the business com munity and it was given that they were unpatriotic if they did not support what the government was doing. Similarly, the Church was made to feel unpatriotic if it did not support apartheid. "The whole society was prepared in that way. It doesn't mean that everybody accepted that. But. that certainly said that there were enough politicians shrewd enough to say, 'Listen, we've got to devise strategies that may appear as if it is some unifying force.' " What do you feel the United States' role should be in dealing with apartheid? "The United States should make an adequate and more sensible analysis of what apartheid really is, recognize which of the groups in that society are working toward those ideals that Americans themselves subscribe to, and not just camouflage it under their present pronounce ments against apartheid and support of justice. "Because if you uphold these values, but you make a wrong analysis of what the situation is all about, it's worthless. What the policy ought to be is to distinguish who are those groups there and support those people. Support them in a way that is meaningful, that indicates that you seriously want to deal with the situation. It means that U.S. policy toward the African National Con-1 gress as a communist-inspired guer illa or 'terrorist' organization ought to change. I know that will be hard, but certainly there is something to be said for trying to understand them, what the ANC is trying to say and do. At least allow the American public to be informed about this organization and what it is doing. But of course there are other groups including the United Democratic Front and the National Forum Committee. "People tend to see the thing still as a black-white struggle. The media often report on what is called 'racial violence.' I don't know why one should call it racial violence, because it always brings out the notion that there are races clashing with one another. That may be true in part, but the fact is that the government now is no longer just a white government. There are members of the other groups that have been brought into government who now have to bear the responsibility for apartheid." saturated WE'RE FIGHTING FOR VOURLIFE American Heart Association 1 X 1 V I AMERICAN 3rT VCANCEft xl m la V. .1 V

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