STATE HAS PRESENTED VAST AMOUNT QF
EVIDENCE IN TRIAL OF FORMER COUNTY
OFFICIALS AND BANKERS DURING HEARING
(Continued from page one)
Bagwell was asked to whom he tohl
what McNeely had said. Bagwell said
he had told Felix Alley, J. Wtll Pies?,
and, he believed, he told Mayor f- W.
Whitmire. Jones then brought ironi
Bagwell admission that Bagwell him
self had been in trouble years ago, ho
said. Arrested once for driving stock
across the state line, in violation 01
the law. Another time, .witness said,
some man left some liquor at his
house and the officers arrested Bag
welC He served three months for this,
witness admitted.
Thursday Afternoon.
Mr. Woodley told of making inves
tigation of the assets of the bank, and
stated chat he had searched the re
cords of the office of register of deeds
for prior mortgages on real estate
upon which bank loans were secured
by deed in trust, and had also used
the tax books in his investigations.
Asked if his fifteen years in the
banking business had enabled him to
appraise real estate, Mr. Woodley said
there was difference in real estate
values in Eastern Carolina and in
th-i section. Said he had made such
in estimations since coming here as
wo. Id enable him to place fair valu
at.v.n upon property in Transylvania
county.
At this point Solicitor Pless offer
ed Woodlev as an expert on real es
tate values', and defense objected, the
court sustaining the objection. Wit
ness said that his experience in bank
ing business had been of advantage
to hi- in his work as liquidating
agent.
"From experience you have had
have you an opinion as to whether or
not the Brevard bank was insolvent'.
Witness was asked. Objection by de
fense. sustained by the court.
Solicitor Pless asked witness what
he had done to collect notes held bv
the bank, and Woodley said he had
written two and three letters to each
one whose notes are held by the bank
and by other banks where such notes
are put up as collateral. At this point
the court stopped this line of evidence
declaring it took in too much terri
tory. Then Woodley was asked what
investigation he had made oi finan
cial worth ot' those whose notes art
held by the bank, and he said he had
consulted with business men, lawyers
doctors, and in every way h?' knew
how to get a line o.n note makers.
Question of solvency of the bank
again came up, the jury was sent
from the room, and the question ar
gued. Defense counsel asserted that
there is no charge or intimation of
charge in the bill of indictment thai
the commissioners knew the bank was
insolvent, and that the matter had nc
fce-.'.rinjr upon the ease at all. Almost
half aii hour was consumed in dis
usslon of case and its many points
while jury was absent, during which
time Judge Sink declared that if ths
commissioners even borrowed mone>
when they did not need it, they were
violating th" law. Solicitor remarket
that the chief finance officer of the
county had said the county needed
money when they had money in the
bank, and read "items from the budget
of 1'JiiO for various funds, showing
amounts already in these funds. Aftei
a while the discussion led back tc
Woodley and the bank records, and
Woodley was offered as an expert or
securities and their values. Judge
Sink ruled that witness could testify
as to his investigations of collateral
security or endorsements. Mr. Smath
ers, of counsel for defense, expressed
the opinion that Woodley, having
come here in January, this year, could
not properly place valuations upon
securities and endorsements that
were accepted by the bank a year ago.
as conditions have so .adically chang
ed.
Soys Hank Wu Insolvent.
Upon return of jury and resump
tion of evidence, in reply to a ques
tion from solicitor, Wo-jdley declared
in his opinion that the Brevard Bank
ing company was insolvent in Septem
ber, when the hundred thousand dol
lar note was issued. He asserted thai
a large number of people who owe the
bank have given every indication that
they never intend to pay their notes.
Woodley stated that fully one-half
of the money loaned out by the bank
was secured by real estate.
Cross Examination.
i. Bat Smathers, counsel for Ship
man, conducted the cross examination
of Woodley, whd, in reply to ques
tions by Smathers, said he was 31
years old, starting in banking busi
ness fifteen years ago, first as mes
senger, then collection teller, and
gradually advanced to the position of
cashier, serving ten years of the., fif
teen as teller. .Woodley admitted that
fee had no experience in real estate;
that real estate transactions in the
Elizabeth City bank where he worked
was handled by lawyers and superior
bank officials. Witness was asked if
he could come into Transylvania coun
ty, and in six or seven months learn
the value of real estate under mort
gage to the bank. Witness declared
he was able to value it as to whether
his notes were properly secured. Wit
ness admitted that he had spent fully
half the time he has been here in the
bank, and Smathers drew the time
down to half time since January 13
that witness had been devoting to ap
praising property over the county un
der mortgage to the bank. "How much
assets did the bank have?" Smathers
asked. "One and a quarter million
dollars," Woodfey said. "How much
of that amount was secured by real
estate?" 'Smathers asked. "Four hun
dred thousand dollars," witness re
plied. "or about that much, I esti
mate." Smathers then asked: "How
many pieces of property are there
under mortgage to the bank?" "From
125 to 150 pieces," Woodley said.
"Have you been on and inspected all '
this property ?" Smathers a3ked the J
witness. Woodley said he had been on i
about half of them, snd had had the'
assistance of C. Y. rattan in making
investigations of all PrQpe,rtJha?tw^
outright by the bank, and that Fa^
Kinuey had been with him on some of
:i>?. trips of inspection. Wood
Mr S'mathers insisted that Wood
ley tell exact number of pieces of pro
perty on which bank held deed 1 o
trust, and by referring to bank books,
this information was given, the num
ber being 121 pieces of property un
der deed of trust to the bank. Then
Smathlvs insisted that Woodleyg.ve
names of men whose property he ha J
bee no nand the valuations placed up
on each piece. The following proper
ty, swere" named by Mr. Woodley, tn
the name of their owners.
\ V. Aiken, James Bostic, W. A.
Bracken, Mrs A. A. Bridges Camp
Transylvania, Mrs H. C. Glaike,
I English, W. McK. Fetzer, R. L.
Gash, J. L. Gillespie, ^w.s Gravely,
W H. Grogan, Jr., J. C. Hendiix, r .
E.'b. Jenkins, Miss Florence Kern C.
C. Kilpatrick, Judith King, E. W. Ly
day, Judson McC.ary, Sam McCul
lough, Hinton McLeod, J. A. Miller,
M A. Mull, C. K. Osborne, J. W,
Smith, Hoy Whiteside, J. R. Whit
mire J. P- Whitnure, Mis.
Young, Thus, Mr. W oodley showed
itht he had been on 29 pieces of prop.
ertv out of the 121 on which the bank
i holds deeds' of tryst. Witness could
nut tell number ot acres in the at,
? .ate "or the per centage of acres
' inspected by him in making apprais
als Under further questioning Wood
?fev admitted that he had not posed a.
?hi expert on real estate values, an
listed that he had satisfied himseli
only as to the value of each piece o
property in connection with th(
amount of the loan so secured.
Friday Morning
W oodley was again on the stanc
Friday morning, with Smathers oi
th- cross examining end of the line
Witness admitted under fast question
w uness -u he was ina(](
cishier of the Elizabeth City bankoi
ihf Sth dav of November, and tha
Ltk SA th. 18th it, ?
fcer, and that Wbodley^came to Bre
vard to take chaige oi
h-nk's liquidation on the l >th day o
January, this year. Woodley, in rep .
: to another question, said he knew tha
many bank.' failed, throughout th
country and especially in Wcstei
North 'Carolina, during the past win
Mr. Smathers asked Woodley <?
read from the bank ret-ords and te:
; the jury what the assets ot the ban
? werj on Sept. 1. 1930, at the time M
. Woodley had declared on the da> be
' f,ne that the bank was insolvent. Th
: report, according to the witness as h
i read from bank records, showed as
' sc. < of $1,600,250,41. and liabilities o
: $1,404 ,'257. 13, leaving ^w'ng
$195,993.28 more as. . cs than us
I blllt'"3' The ?100,000 .Vote
i Under cross examination Woodie
I stated that first' time there is indica
' ition of placement of the famous $10
I mo note was shown on certificate o
? -'eposit ledger of November 24, whe
a certificate of deposit in the sum o
! <101,G'25 was issued to W. - -oUt
: county treasurer. This would be th
: amount of note, plus the . nterest fior
' July 30 to that date. The
> course the certificate should take
! the witness said, was cashing of tn
> certificate, which was done on N
' vomhr'i- 29 when another >um o
: $70.55 interest from 24th to 29th. wa
I added thereto. Witness said the tour
jty had several different accounts, at
L cording to law, handled in the usua
banking manner.
1 "How much money did the coun-,
i draw out of the bank from Sept. 1 .
to Nov 24th? ' witness was asktc
, ' State objected to question, and eour
? overruled objection.
; It was shown that the county check
I. h1 out of the bank the sum of $218,
? 000 from Sept. 17 date of. note salt
? to Nov. 24, date of depositing note
1 The defense accepted this showing a
? splendid evidence in refusing th
?, charge that the commissioners ha.
? borrowed $100,000 to help the bank
: while the county had withdrawn Iror
i the bank the sum of $218,000.
Junes Takes Witness
. G. Lyle Jones, of counsel for th
; commissioners and Fisher, then tool
: the witness on cross examination
! Woodley stated to Mr. Jones in repl;
[to the latter's questions that tn
? Elizabeth City bank where Woodie.
was an officer closed because o
? : heavy withdrawals, and declared to
believed his bank there was solven
! when it closed, but the officers an.
directors knew that it could not stani
the heavy ..withdrawals any longer
Jones asked witness if that wasn t th;
ease in the forced closing of practi
; cally fell hanks, and witness said It
was. Witness said records showei
heavy withdrawals from the Brevar<
bank iust prior to its closing, anc
that deposits fell off. Witness said hi
was not here prior to January 13, an<
didn't know how real estate condi
tions looked before that date, but thai
'they look bad now. Taking the witness
back to- the property which he had
visited and valued, as testified on th?
previous day, Mr. Jones asked Wood
J ley what the Aiken property was
worth, in his estimation. Woodley saic
'he had no idea what it is worth, noi
ihad he any idea what the Baldwin
(-property at Penrose is -worth, saying
.that he was convinced that it was
: worth the amount of indebtedness
'which the bank holds on it Mr. Jones
?then called over the other pieces of
I nroperty which the witness had testi
'fied that he examined, and he admit
ted to Jones that he had no idea of
| the worth of many pieces of the
i property. Woodley said the Fe^er
farm is worth $12,000. "Why, Mr.
1 Woodley," Jones said, "do you not
I know that the Fetzer place is listed
Ion the tax books at $16,000, and you
say it is worth no more than $12,000 .
Woodley held out that in his opinion
the place was worth no more than
$12,000. Asked about the J. R. Wlut
mire farm, witness paid It was worth
; $15,000 to $20,000? not more than ]
1 $20,000." Jones asked him how many :
houses there are on the place, and ;
! witness did not know. Mr. Jones ask- ?
ed witness if he did not know that the
J. R. Whitmire farm is one of "the best
farms in the county, comprising re alt .
| ly three ' farms, three houses ahd all
barns and necessary outhouses. Ask- ,
I ed then how long he spent on the farm ]
'oil his trip of inspection, Mr. Woodley
' said he was on the place for about |
one-half ^o three-quarters of an hour.
] "Is that the way you have valued j
all the property upon which the bank (
holds mortgages?" Mr. Jones asked.
The witness insisted that he had ;
.looked at property with but one pur-,
'pose, and that was to. .see if it was
worth the amount of the note secured
by the property, and had satisfied
| himself on this point.
Mr. Jones asked, witness about)
'note* that were secured by stock in j
[various companies and if he had ex- ,
amined the market price or cash vai- !
jue of such stocks, and witness said he ;
'had. "Did you go into the audits of |
Jsuch companies where the bank holds;
[stock as collateral?" Witness said he:
had not, but had made other inquir- 1
jics and examinations.
"Did the commissioners of Tran- .
?sylvania county pay off a note in.
September of $75,000?" Jones asked. |
"Yes, they paid $79,530.82, from the,
debt service fund.
"In whose name were the county de
posits on December 15, when the bank
closed?" Jones asked the witness. |
'j "In the name of G. M. Justus,
' county treasurer," was the reply,
j | Taking up the several funds of the
[county, Mr. Jones asked witness to
. ' refer to bank's records and see if
these funds were transferred from
| the old county treasurer. to the new
' 'county treasurer about the first of
j December, 1930. Witness testified
1 that bank records showed that each
f fund had been transferred on Decem
, iber 2 from W. L. Couch, to G. M.
' [Justus. The same was true of all cer
tificates of deposit.
, j "Mr. Woodley, was all the $101,
>625, proceeds from this note in ques
1 tion, put to the credit of the county?"
' [ "Yes, and on Nov. 29, and the ad
"'ditional interest also; the county got
' 'credit for all of it."
t ' "Mr. Woodley, have you found any
record of any county money in the
".bank that went to any one except to
j the credit of Transylvania county?"
- Mr, Jones asked.
: "I have not," the witness replied.
y' ! Mr. Jones then asked witness how
? much money was turned over to Mr.
' \ Couch, as county treasurer, on the
1 1 first Monday of December in 1929.
'j "T. E. Patton, Jr., treasurer, De
cember 3, 1928. turned over $265,
0 875.86." was the answer. Mr. Jones
" ! wanted the amount of all the county
k funds that were turned over, and all
'? the records were not on hand, anil
?' this question was ieft open.
e It was shown by the witness that
c the county treasurer, W. L. Couch,
" turned over to G. M. Justus, present
f county treasurer, the sum of $580.
<"'464.28 on the first day of December,
- 1930.
Plexit Takes Witness.
"Mr. Woodley, did any money pass
>' from the former county treasurer to
l* the present county treasurer on De
'- cumber first?" Defense counself en
f tered vigorous objection to this propo
n. !sition, asserting that a bank is re
1 quired to keep only 15 per cent cash
'? j reserve and five per cent on time de
e posits, and records of the bank would
".show the amount of cash reported on
hand. Then Pless asked witness if
there was more money or less money
e . on deposit in the bank when the bank
failed than there was when Couch
' turned over the county funds to
s Treasurer Justus. Again defense
l* counsel objected, stating that these
" clients are not responsible for what
1 the county had -on December 15, that
all funds had been turned over to the
y jnew officials,' and that the question
? had nothing to do with the trial of
'? these men now being tried.
' Then Pless asked from what fund
jthe $75,000 note had been paid in
" | September, and witness said it was
'? paid from the debt service fund. He
'also testified that there was the sum
'? of $60,842.93 left in the debt service
s fund after the note had been paid.
e j Solicitor Pless then brought, from
J witness information as to the amount
j of money in the bank when the bank
n 'closed December 15. Witness said
there was shown on the books to be a
cash balance of $18,654.05, in two
e, items. In banks, $17,283.33, and cash
k.on hand $1,371.72. On December 2,
'?jwhen transfers were made from old
y ! board to present board, witness said.
6 j the records showed cash balance of
f i $105,552.55, and Smathers asked
'j Woodley what the legal reserve for
e | that day would have been, and wit
t ness answered that, according to the
1 books, the necessary amount of mon
i ey would have been $104,000.
? : It was established through testi
s ; mony of witness that the bank had
- ! $50,000 njore legal reserve in Septem
ber than required minimum; and it
1 was established that all of the pro
1 ceeds from the sale of the $100,000
I note was allocated to the several dif
s ferent funds.
1 j Mr. Woodley said the deposits in
- ithe bank on Sept. 24 were $1,287,
1 1 109.93, 'and that between fthat date
s and December 15, when the bank
I [closed, these deposits had fallen off
! in the sum of $365,801.26. |
-| Court adjourned until Saturday
i morning, with defense feeling that it
I I had won about every round in the j
' day's battle.
Saturday Morning
James F. Barrett, editor of The
i Brevard News, was first witness Sat- 1
i urday morning. Was asked by stats
attorneys if a letter was published
in Brevard News bearing signature
of Thos. H. Shipman and Jos. S. Sil
versteen, about first of Septem.-^r.
Witness said such letter was pubhsh-i
ed. Asked who brought letter to '< le I
News office and witness asserted he j
could not recall the instance. Wit- J
ness explained that hundreds and
hundreds of pieces of copy came in
to ths office for publication; tl:at he
did most of the work solicit!'.!^ ads i
and other outside; that ofter people^
left copy with some, one in the of-,'
fice in his absence, and there was
no way remembering a Particular i
piece of copy that far back. He testi- 1 |
tied that he was thoroughly satisfied
at the time of the authority for pub
lishing the letter otherwise it would
not have been in the paper. Only tnci
dent in connection with nublicationot .
the letter was reference made by Ship- i
man in conversation later ' that l?e ;
(Shipman) said he did not know why .
Fisher was so insistent upon having ;
a letter from them. Jury was sent ,
from room, while counsel argued
points in the case, and the solicitor
called upon the service to serve no
tice upon defendants to produce the
original letter. ,
Ira Galloway on. Stand
Ira D Galloway, register of deeds r
from 1920 to 1930, was next witness.
Identified certain county records, and
told of resolution being prepared and
presented to board to be acted upon
authorizing the issue of the ^OO^OO
note. Statement from McNeelj, who
was chief finance officer of the coun
ty, was introduced, setting forth ne
cessity for issuance of the note
and borrowing the money. Resolution
was adopted at the commissioners
meeting Sept. 3, and 1 notice of sale of
note ordered published in The Brt
vard News, The Asheville Times and
The New York Bond Buyer. Bids
were to be opened at the m< ?
the board on September 13. Mr. Gal
loway indentified statements and
cancelled checks of the county, en
dowed by Ralph Wsher. Statement
was bill from Mr Fisher as county
attorney for partial payment oi legal
expense in connection with handhng
tax foreclosure sales for the year
1922- to 27, total payments being
about $8,000. It was shown that
there were about 350 such tax
litems handled by the county attorney,
'and that Fisher had several cerks
working on the preparation of these
cases.
. Mr. Galloway indentified the signa
ture of J. H. Pickelsimer to a lette.
1 rpad to the jury purporting to be
' from Mr. Pickelsimer as retiring
'chairman, to O. L. Erwin, the mco -
ing chairman. Mr. Galloway also te
tilied that he saw the original lettu
that was published in The
News on Sept. 3, signed by Shipman
and Silversteen, lauding the com
missioners for decision to sell the
county note, and said Mr. PickelM
mer showed him the letter. Extract
from the minutes of the meeting ot
the commissioners held on Sept. i
were read setting forth that all mem
bers of board were present, .leetint,
was called for the purpose ofreceiv
! jng bids for the note. No bids were
submitted, and motion was made t<>
recess to Sept. 17. At this advertised
recess meeting on the 17th, wltne^
testified, a bid was received from _tne
Brevard Banking company, signed D>
T. H. Shipman as president, that
bank would buy the note at par, ?>
per cent interest, accrued from Ju->
:;0. Note was ordered sold.
Mr. Pless had introduced the note,
it being in denominations of $10,000
and there being ten notes, after Mr.
Gallowav had identified signatures of
J. H. Pickelsimer, C, K. McNeely.
Rplph R. Fisher and his own, as ottic
ials of the county upon the note. Gal
loway had testified that he had -sen
the bank officials in conference *itn
McNeely in McNeely's office a day or
two prior to adoption of the resolu
tion ordering sale of note.
Mr. Pless after introducing le-.tei
from Pickelsimer to O. L. Erwin,
read its contents, which >et forth the
amount of money the c. unty had on
deposit; the amount of security which
the bank had up to guarantee safet>
of these deposits, and suggested that
the new board increase this security
as rapidly as possible. The letter told
the ncjv board of work done by tni
retiring board in connection with ob
jecting to the United States govern
ment buying 2000 acres of land from
Jos. S. Silversteen, as the sale of th s
land would remove that much taxable
property from the county lists, mak
nir the tax burden that much heav
ier upon the rest of the tax payers,
as the government pays no taxes up
on its property. _
Cross Examination
J Bat Smathers opened cross ex
amination of the witness, who stated
in reply to questions that there was
nothing unusual in the fact that cit
izens called at the office of Mr. Mc
Neely, who was county accountant
and "had the back tax books in his
office; that he had heard no reference
made by Shipman or Silversteen con
cerning the sale of the note; -hat he
knew of no combination nor conspir
acy on the part of anybody in the
I sale of the note or any other matter
in connection with the county. Gal
loway stated that the bankers were
not present at the board meeting
when the resolution was adopted and
the note sold; that Ralph Fisher had
'nothing to do with the preparation of
the resolution or the sale of the note,
that A. F. Mitchell, bond attorney,
! prepared the papers, all of which
were legally prepared and in regular
form. Galloway admitted that he did
not compare the original which he
saw with tb? letter that was pub
lished in The Brevard News, He could
not be certain, he swore on cross ex
'amination, that the letters were the
Isame. Galloway told of extension of
(time that year for payment of taxes;
that no taxes were being paid ana
school was to start on first Monday
in September, and no fuadi were
available for this work. Witness said
Mr. Fisher was sent to Washington
to protest against the government
purchase of the 2000 acres of land
from Silversteen on behalf ' of the
commissioners. Jury was sent from
the court room while arguments were
^Mr. Breese wanted to bring from
witness the existing feelings of ani
mosity between Fisher on the one
hand and Silversteen and Shipman on
the other. Galloway testified to his
belief of this state of feelings; had
never seen Silversteen and Fisher to
gether, but had often heard Fisher
cussing Silversteen "behind his back.
Jury brought back and G. Lyle
Jones conducted cross examination
for Fisher and the board. Mr. Jones
had Galloway to identify county rec
ord book which had been introduced
and which Jess A. Galloway had pre
viously swore contained several blank
pages between recordings of regular |
ijiinutes of the board meetings and
the minutes ordering sale,.of the note.
Ira Galloway assumed full responsi
bility for the -condition -of the. book, 1
testifying that he arranged it in that
manner so as to keep the record*
dealing with notes and bonds in one
section and record* of ordinary and .
regular meetings in sequence in the j
other part of the book. Swore that(
commissioners did not. even know that,
the book was planned that way.; that .
he did it on hip own accord and fori
bis own convenience. Galloway told of '
the aet-"V?f "thS- leg
which authorized tl
refunding bonds to
nwneroiM 'Outstandlr. ?<
falling due and about i K
told of two. $75,000 not r
during the yearv and sai p
the not? iale'-inoney n
these note*. He teatiflf
Northrup, consulting i
Charlotte., asfleted Mitch
jng at^t^aentg and reap 4
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