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November 1 T, 2015, | Issue 11, Volume 63 | thebluebanner.net pAeis Mil n * 9^'vist and a villain Jill JIC III* to rnmnr;itp AmprirA Find f LARISA KARR News Editor lakarr@unca.edu Are you tired from your trip throughout North Caro lina? “Well, it’s been like an unend ing trip for four or five months. I just have very little time in between trips, and I- was just in Maryland. Before that, I was in Texas, and it’s been almost non stop for the last...I did have like a week break a ways back.” It sounds like you’ve had a very busy schedule. “It is busy but it’s really fun. It’s very, very fun. When you’re doing campaign travelling, it’s not like you get to sightsee (laughs) or anything. It’s more just meeting with people but it’s been so exciting how there’s a real sea change going oh right now.” One of the things that a lot of people are very passion ate about is voting for Bernie Sanders, but few of them have heard of you. They’re like, ‘Yeah, I agree more with Jill,’ particularly on your military policy, not giving money to Israel for weapons, but they’ll say that, kind of what you were saying, voting for Bernie is the lesser evil compared to Republicans. What would you say to them? Why would you encourage them to not go be trapped between those two parties? “Yeah, in terms of Bernie, I think what Bernie is doing is great inside the Democratic Party and he’s really stirring up a hornet’s nest of discontent that was already there. He’s just really elevating that discussion and that’s really wonderful. The downside is that the Democratic party has a kill switch for rebel lious candidates, and they’ve done this for decades ever since George McGovern managed to get the nomination since 1972. Democrats created Super Tues- to corporate America. Find out why. Dr. Jill Stein is tireless, fearless and just won't stop. In between campaigning in the United States and going to Paris to attend the recent C0P21 conference, the Green Party Presidential Candidate sat down with the Banner last semester to discuss student loans, America's foreign policy, and why she was handcuffed to a chair for hours during the last Presidential debate. day and Super Delegates, which Bernie? And why not the lesser are both things that ensure that the nomination will go to an in sider, not to a reformer. So, it’s unfortunate that Bemie’s going to get knocked out, and you can see the resistance growing now, and Bill Clinton is recruiting the Super Delegates, which are basically delegates that ensure that Hillary has the margin of difference, if she should need it. So it virtually ensures that Bernie is going to be knocked out of contention. I think it’s great for people to support his campaign, but at some point they’re going to need a plan B, so that all their work doesn’t get dumped down the drain. Bernie has already said he’s going to support Hillary when she gets the nomination and I think most of his really ardent supporters don’t want to go there. They don’t want to sup port the banks. They don’t want to support this—” Wal-Mart? “Yes, Hillary, board member of Wal-Mart, and they don’t want to support the devastating foreign policies that have creat ed failed states and have created ISIS to start with the blowback of terrorism from the beginning. I think people with insight don’t want to go there, so peo ple need a plan B with Bemie’s campaign, and I say go for it. Give Bernie his best shot. Fin gers crossed that he gets it, but I wouldn’t hold my breath and if he doesn’t get it, you’ve got a place to go. So, I don’t feel like we have an argument with Ber nie supporters. It’s a different strategy. So, I think your ques tion had two parts. Jt was sort of, what’s our relationship to evil? Bernie aside, why should young people not support the lesser evil? Well, one reason is that the lesser evil is not going to get them out of debt. The lesser evil, you know, Hillary is not really proposing free public higher education, which is what we’re calling for. Why is that? Because we shouldn’t treat the younger generation like a cash cow to squeeze maximum dol lars out of. Young people should have a secure start in life, which is what a high school degree used to represent. Now, you need a college degree, so, in my view, that is the responsibility of the older generation. Howev er, it’s an investment that pays for itself. We know that from the GI Bill, every dollar that we put into college education for returning soldiers following the Second World War. We get back seven dollars in return for every dollar we put in. So, this is not just like a nice thing to do. This is the really profitable and prac tical thing to do. So, there is another reason why young people should not support the lesser evil. The expanding wars and the cha os that’s being created, that is blowing back at us in a very personal way. We’re not going to see that get better under Hil lary. The Trans-Pacific Partner ship, Hillary may be talking the talk. However, she has decades worth of walking the walk, and it’s clear what Hillary’s policies are. Hillary and her husband brought us NAFTA, that closed tens of thousands of factories and sent millions of jobs over seas. The Trans-Pacific Part- lev re IlSi Photo by Larisa Karr - News Editor Jill Stein speaks at UNC Asheville on November 15, 2015 at a forum organized by the International Socialist Organization. So in terms of the attack^ in nership is more of the same. Hillary might tweak something about it, but she’s a supporter of these corporate trade deals. So, you know, if you want a job, if you want to get out of debt and have a future, and if you want to do something about the climate so that we actually have a planet we can inhabit, those are all reasons why you don’t want to settle for the less er evil. The lesser evil is getting lesser all the time, and we say, you know, it’s time to forget the lesser evil and light for the greater good.” Paris, what do you think was behind Europe’s failure to close their borders or not rec ognize that these attacks were imminent and that they were a threat? “It reflects how the security state totally misses the target. In this country, the security state has been challenged actually by a Congressional committee to exactly identify what ter rorist threats have been abort ed thanks to the security state, and they couldn’t come up with Read more on page 12
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