it was in August that I received u phone call that some Panthers had been arrested. I vjent dox.n to the court and I was told by^ a family in the courthouse that the three had been arrested for assaultin'- police officers. That first case in Nev^ York involved an allegation from police which claimed that three Panthers at tacked five armed-to-the-teeth cops on a Brooklyn. street a tv«o o'clock in the morning, bhat is even more absurd, when I got to see them they xvere bandage , heads cracked, arms in slings and things like that and the police officers who they had allegedly assaulted were standing in the courtroom with grins on their faces, untouched. And v^hen the case came before the judge for arraignment and bial setting, the first bail set on any case in New; York City invplving the Black Panther P,-)ry v;as $50,000 each. That started a w.hole series of outrageous ransom bails, harass ment arrest, framed charges and a situation which led directly to the arrest of the Panther tienty- one on April 2, 1969 about eight or nine months after the party w'as formed. Cj S. You defended the origi nal three Black Panthers th'.t got arrested for assault. Did they get off? Lefcourt: Yes. It was a to- f^l fabrication. The idea of un armed Panthers attacking armed police in the dead of the night in Brooklyn, was just too absurd to be believed. But the others “'e've had liteif.ir. hundreds of Panther arrests in Nefv. York. And there’s a reason forthatl I think. New York has histori- 1 cally been the front lines for ' the black liberation struggle in ' States, What hapnens in New York usually spreads throughout the nation, like The Hsrlem riots of I964. New' York, in a ten mile scucire radius having millions and millions of black people and also in the middle of the Eastern establish ment, is the danger point for the powers that be. Therefore, every attemj^t is made to stifle, harass, repress black groups as they form, here in New York.. . The Panther Pa% is no different. An indication of that is the New; York secret service police, v;hich are the most sophisti cated in the United States and more feared or should be more feared than the FBI. There are Indications that this secret service known as police BOSS (Bureau of Special Services), has infiltrcted the Black Pan ther Paryy before they ever arrived here in Ne\ York and in fact helped st rt the part here. That is because they want to control them. They w.ant to make sure that they can make those harassment arrests that are so necessary for the stif ling of political activity. CPS: ITien you talk about the bail, the origianl Panther bail in I968 w;as set at $50,000 escalating to $100,000 for the Panther 21, We could assume for the record that these types of arrests will continue. What can you do about the bail? Lefcourt: Well, I don't think that lawvyers can do any- thing about it. I/e have taken the bail situation the the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court has avoided it. Sjecifi- Cc'^lly, in the Panther 21 case ■5fe went through forty-three judges trying to ge that bail reduced, all unsuccessfully. You can only conclude that there is a general conspiracy in the courts to make sure that Black Panther leaders are not free. CPS: In the case of the 21 there has been a lot of con fusion in the press. ViTiat

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