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TIBS ' 1 North- Carolina State Gazette ;jswju No. a RALEIGH FiUDAYJANUAY Viei i- SMI Vol ymxy .' i It 'r THli BRIlISll TiiEAlY. DccwneatfttttttmJtled by the Prettfent to the Stnate,trith the pint ention if Commerce be twetn Cr'eut Britain and th L nitej States Ei'.r&cl oftWUef from Uv American CoomiNioMn, XeHt CUj and SalUtta. to ihc fcftcxe'ary of auta da- u Having had reason .to believe, that jhe British, govrornrnt had abstained, froman swering the communication of the joint cofn tnisbiou from Gherrt, bf the; day of De- eesuotr. iu, orww ujerrecei vea oiocraj tnrar . trutioocf the American rati ricaaUi-cf the Treaty cf Peace, we thocght hgdVliafaiv 4cttJ ap!ftfti .aiirr isaa sveat was Knows 10 us, to repair to :hia sity in order th.it wt might ascertain the disposition of this governpnentaa to the com merctal intercourse btta-een the tiro countritt. bhortly after oar arrival here we were iavi- ; ted by lord Csstlcreagh to an interview with Ainu A minute of the substance ot Con vers a tion which took place on that occasion, as drawn up and agreed to by the patties, la n dosed.: We communicated to Mr. Goulburn, ' rhi m-xt day, our answer upon the three, sub jects to which the convcraadon related la the interview wjth lord Castlcreaeh, he had atated, that four or five day might be ne cessary on their .part, to prepare for the pro posed conversation. N- arly three Weeka hav- a,g elapsed without hearing further on the uJjVct we toA. what appeared t6 us, a fit oc- casion to intimate our intention of leaving L,ooUoB. A lew days after, we received an invitation from the vice president of the board ot trade, Mr. Jtobmsin, to call at his o5ce oa the llth iiiatant ; we accordingly attended, and were received by him and Messrs. Goulburn and Adams, two cf the British commissioners, who had negct:ated the treaty of Ghent. They opened the conversation by advert icg to what had led to this interview, and pro lessee ihcmst Ives to be ready to receive any prop shims we might choose to make. We cbiuved, that in the treaties which America had heretofore made particularly with this country, regulating commercial intercourse, tiier w re geoerai.y comprised two subject. ce. which respected. cvmmtciid regulation; appacaoje to a state of peacet as well as of war; the other, which raspected the rights and du tit a of the parties ; one being at war, and the other remaining at peace. Accordiugly, our government had instructed us to bring for ward both those subjects, ' As to the commercial intercourse, without at this time going into details, or minor points which it might be necessary in the progress of the negociation to adjust, we would con tent ourselves in this uuoiheial conversation, wnh touchirg on the most important topics, which it seemed to us desirable to discuss and arrange. These were, that the two countries sbuld respectively be placed on the footing the nation the roost favored ; that in the trade between America and the British European d. minioaw, all discriminating duties on totnage and on-merchandise, either import ed, or exported, should be abolished. That the trade between America and the British West Indies should be regulated, and placed On some more parmauent basis, than the occa sional acts of the colonial authorities: That tht nature and kind of intercourse between A tneica and the adjoining British provinces shyuld be defined and provided for And lhai the trade widi the British India: poses r Slops shoul.d be opened to America on liberal Jrh.ciples. , ' ; -larfgard to the. discriminating duties, we Remarked, thatapropositiin to abolish them si caoe from Great Britain, and a provision to that tjTect was inserted in the unratified Jrcajy cf 1806. Congress had taken up the coodltknof teace. we Dtoceeded to remark. that whilst the prospect of a lorg EuroDVaaj peace appeareq to exist, as was me case wnen the treaty of Ghet was coocluded. U 1rss less important to provide for qaeatioos aritng ur om una nema. uui u was laaposiois o aotii our eyes to the demonsuations every wheae makrorofanew wav, which, if it should as sum? a maritimt tkqrrtttrv1ght..agiln'meUlhrft aacetne nsTtncmy and goo tutderstaec tweea the . two countries; It'Aasdt tAcTefore, . to anticipatXa tii prot ide for! the evil. The first afc3 nost important trfch"r is o4i -m imptcssmeni vtraruaim rtjit &i- r wattet at tneir last session, and passed an act, Vhich wuexnlained v We thought it desira that they should he ' abolished, in order to rprueii t these- collisions, and that" system of oRimercial M-arfarein which the twotoun-. Ms,WfcuId probably be involved by an abher ; nee to them. As an example, we mentioned 8rei extra duty, to which, aa we under. ' od,'the wticle of cottorr was liable, by the : ridslv laws-, hen imported in foreign vessels , d which, if-persisted in, would .certainly be met by some countervaiKng regulations. With respect the rade to British India, i je pbserved, that ' w e had no .equivalent to of Jr for it f that it 'wis for Great Britain to'eon. .der! whether a commerce,' consisting as it" d, almost entirely in the exchange of our peeie for India , produce, was not of a nature to, deserve, the 'most .liberal encourugement ; wiVthai' we had jratKer enter into rib stipula- intecouriBej ishad beeh probdatd by the V -fefl treVttoihm U putWai'dand re- VUn thcoLbersuWect, the rights nd dutiea bf we psitlesit onbeiac at snuv a4 sheothe m sui of tha partieac: fi ivtm '.-'- : '.vi.v-vyw-'t. f.-f ,-v f -v.-- ' "e'-f-:' .. It would, perhaps h? unprofitable, at this time t6 go into a discussion of the tight, as to which we wuld merely remark that it was Impossible irwt there could be a strooeer conviction on the part of Great Britain, that it was with her, than there trfts on the part of America, that it was on her side. It was better to look to some practical arranRlment, by which, withaul con cession of right by either party, die mischiefs complained ot on both sides might be preven ted. To this end the attention of our govern ment has been turned. We be ieved that Great Britain had never heretofore contended that the American government was bound to pro hibit the merchants of the United States from employing foreign seamen, any .m re thud it was bound to' forbid their shipping contraband articles. America was, however, now Willing to take upon herself such an obligation, and to exclude British seamen from her merchant ser vice, and we believed such exclusion might be aa effectually executed as our revenue laws. Here we called their attention to the act which congress had passed on that subject, and to the mdssagje of the" president to that body towards the close of its last session, upon the supposi tion, that )f the exclusion of British seamen should .be absolute and entire, there would no longer exist any ground for the claim of im press men, and of course no objection to its a bandonmeat. ' We stated, that besides the mo tive which existed with our government of guarding against coiliion with Great Britain, another powerful one operated, that of encour- afftoe our native seamen, and of not beionr o- buged to rely "on the uncertain supply of lor eigners. To xthis system, as a subsitute for that of impressment, it did not appear to us that Great Britain could object, unless it was thought to b impracticahle in its execution. We had no doubt ourselves, that even admit ting that there might be, as in cases of smug gling, occasional instances of evasion of the system of exclusion, it would nevertheless be upon the whole, much niorefavcurablc icits re sult to Great Britain. This system would apply to, and operate upon every American vessel -t whilst that ot impressment reached only the cases of those vessels with which it accidental ly came in contact. We were awstre of the difficulties which had heretofore opposed a sa tisfactory arrangement on this subject. Still it was one ot socu vital importance, so tendmcr to brirg the two .countri es into collision, that it was impossible it should receive a considera tion too earnest and too anxious. The next point which it seemed to us im portant to settle, was the trade ot America with the . colonies of the enemies of Great Bri tain. Tc Wards the end of . the last European war, . questions growing out of that trade -had! J rxen terminated by the conquest ot those colo- mea by Oreat Britain, bu- many ot them ha ving been restored at the peace, the disputes whKh heretofore existed might again arise. The former arrangements on this subiect might, with some modifications serve as a ba sis. :v . . iWe then stated-that we did nnt intend, in this preliminary and unofficial conversation to discuss the other points belonging .6 thia branch of the subject. A- definition of block ades was desirable and cnuld not, it seemed. be attchdf d wtth much difficulty, as we believ ed hat there Was no real ditference between the two countries with respect to the. ah strait principle. But we apprehended that the . disputes which might hereafter take place, on that subject, would arise almost exclusiyely frort questions of fact, which no previous, definition could prevent As, to the event of war, Great Britain might desire to know the disposition of our govern ment on the subject of privateers and prizes, we would only bow that the principle which might be adopted w ith respect to Great Britain whether of admission or .'exclusion, must equally and impartially apply to all the parties tothe wan ' s ..r ;t. ; - i vt: ; v These leers all the topic noticed by ua9an4' we enforced and illustrated them by various 6fhei obseratibn84i:; ;' ''.?.;' ; ; The . Btitish gentlemen, professing not to have expected those points to be broysiit for ward whiich applied to a belligerent atate of wiBtMkBfiV, wWerh emv, view, the two aohjeca were inseparable, and whethtr vrt ebuld net come to an'aeoienf those topics which were fchjoabty l3f tUificult to be adjusted, .leaving uie otntrs tor ttntner. coosidersuoo, and !u furarVargemtfatf , We replied, that hereto fdta ther hatf aHrirs been blended torerhet bv out gvKfnmena'atrd that vrt SBKodd tobt'tni au to make'anV cf , tKcm'a tmaw iwsi and that .vrbcthft a treaty; oroittiag -some of tittA pjid be acceptable, mmt depend oar its gent r- 0 - subjects had been always found to involve ex treme difficulty, particularly that of impress ment that Great Britain was certainly prepar ed at all times, to r teelve hnd to consider any proposition tkat America might be .ditposed to make in relation to it ; but one of the gen tlemen remark-d, that from the deeb interest which was fdt by Great Britain in it, she must view wi Jt great jealousy, by which he aaid he meant vigilance, any such proposition t that the enquiry Which they had first made as to our willingness to separate the two subjects, proceeded from a wish to ascertain whether it were likely that anv practical result, cr uld be speedily obtained, if they entered upon the negociation at this time. On the subject f discriminating duties men tioned br us thev said their e-jvernmerit would receive favorably the proposition f. r a mutual abortion ot them. As to the trade With India, their government Was not at all disposed to ihut ub ; ut frm iu In resard to the trade to ihe West Iudits, considering tne aimcuities Which had heretofore presented themselves in placing it, by treaty, upon a foot ing satisfactory to both parties, they feared it would not now be practicable to enter imo any stipulation respecting it, which should meet ihe views of the two countries. The interview terminated by their stating, that they would report to the cabinet the sub stance of what had passed between us, and by their pledging' themselves to do all in their power to afford us anVaflv answer. On tb'26ch insU having been aeain invited by the vice-president of the board of trade to call at his office, we accordingly attended, and were received by the same gentlemen. They stated tkat they had reported to the cabinet what had passed at the last interview, and were now prepared to give -us an answer on the several topics to which the conversation rela ted. Ia doing this, they would observe the order which had been marked out by us. 1st. un me commercial intercourse between the two countries, they were authoriz d to state, that their government was ready to treat with us on the footing of the most favored na tion j aud were also willing to enter into any arrangement by which all discriminating du ties on importations and tonoacre should be mutually done away. They were willkg to admit us to the enjoyment of the tjade with British India, unclogged by the restriction on tre outward voyage contained in the unratifi ed treaty ; but must still insist On that con tained in the treaty of 1794, ori the return age. Considering that we had candidly stat ed, that wt had no equivalent to ofTer, except what was to be found in the trade itself they would expect for this concession, a spirit' of accommodation ptt , our side. In other parts of the commercial arrangement, the fur tirade, or some other. ; . The trade with the British "West-Indies, they stated, had always been a subject of great difnculty, and their government was not pre pared to make any change in that colonial po licy j to which they had so long adhered but th& would hope that this would not form any obstacle to the negotiation. ' V . ; ' .With respect to the trade with their N. A merwan7p)S3essions,tntry were ready to re ceive and-discuss any Propositions we might have to offer, wth an anxious desire to place tt on a footing mutually satisfactory. f 2dly. On those subjects which related to at State in which one of the parties should be at war, and the other in peace, it was not neces sary to disguise that they had been always at-j teauea witn great aiia.cuities. otiu tncy were willing in a spirit of amity, and with candour, to receive and to discuss any propositiops we might oiler. , With regard, to blockades,'' they could not think it necessary to enter iuto any treaty de- bnittou ot them as the questions which might hereafter; arise on that subject (according to our own statement) would relate rathef to tiie facfi than to die principle, on which the two governments seemed to agreed Indet4, they tnougnt "tnat aucn ,a oeoniuon r might tenc to weaken, i' implying a doubt of tht correctnessJ niea, bcSistes the tomnaic'diCrairy of th; ejahj' ' don, heretofore experirncid la nil ttetr.pst ' to trraoge It, there was another, ariimgout of 't their vVint of ittformatibn, aa to'wkiiKetl -France tad adopted any, and what, aysteU of ' ' coWoui polcy, since the restoration of he co ' loniee, le might be, that she had opened &ej bade ib foreign uadota in peace to in wav ift. Which case the duestiona that' had hetttofird - " txiited could not be agitated again; . ".Z t y'-T'. Iijttprrit bs thejr tcntbued, of atf'.'. this cian of subjecbi; been found moat 'diScu s to arranges Thet were aware hoW !m)'rHf - it was coasideredj bjyth ctuntries, afid Low io bodC JMdche4 public aensbiQijr' A ' ; hz-rerofore. thef Were, sow readv tn neii?:-'- and4nsidervsuiy proposition our govtfomcnt ' might m-fce reacting jt. Ahd'en without ' . any treaty supuatKn, their government wii -nS, ..!. . I J . . . : f 4 i !! rim ' 3 I : i- If. 's ofthe'principie In relatjon tothe tfi(euh enemicelo- prevent the abuses of which vrtf tomnrditt.4 4 If .L i.. is-. - t s ., i - r . . ine uw which we had mentioned, su the Iat ' interview, should be rffcctnal in iri ofetiV ' ' n i v a !. ..Ji J i i' . , j . . ii. wwua aououess a away a great motifo with them for impressrherit. Still thev7 Weie bbund to consider, withhe' most vig-L'rit ; stU tentioo, any proposition for tho abanolSnmeqt V of what they must consider a right essential b to their safety. I hat law did not, however, aa :" they understood, settle the question, who were t be. considered is British subjtctsi a questlna " '", on which the two countries might hot be abtd to come to an understanding.' ' , With regard to our ideas, respecting privfc teers and priies, they were1 certainly fair aud unexceptionable. . . As thy had hinted at soinelfctmmoatjoh in thf- fur trade, or la other pVti i b? ihe c6'm5 mercial arrangement, for their supposed coh- Z cession respecting India trade, wr thr tight thfe occasion sui able for stating,'thit we-,werepdvSH aitively mstruttxd not to consent to the renew- ; al of the trade .between1 British' subjec ts and the Indiana within our territories We stated,' 1 that, the dispositien of our government on this subject did not prrceed from Commercial, but political copsideratlons. (The'did not in? ; sist upon it, riorseem to thiofc that the deferi minatton of ourgorerhment would pevent " arrangement of the Canada trade,. One of; them inqulrtd whether ;e exrcttdiaW fiK$ J injfuner. io oe exciuaea trosn the trade with the Indians hi thiir territories TS;whic1l we replied, certajlt.lyrf - " We explained the law for tEe ticlasi6n ot foreign seamen from our service, and toefttiopi ed that the naturalization of Seamen Wou'd almost altogether prevented in future by thi necessity of a continued residence of . tv ' years. We stated, that we were authorized tr V enter into stipulatnns that forbid iie tmpt ys ment of spch -British seamen as migli pndet, our laws, be hereafter naturalized, but that weV could not do it with respect to those' who wevgV already naturalized. We had thought,' that to them, an exeeption might be made) per mitting, on both sides, the voluntary .mplp.y' , mentof suchjeameo, natives of cdc (fccutjtrVi as might have" heretofore been naturalized uij4 der the laws of the other country. -Ve(kid-that the number of British 'ssamen already' t iraliied, which could constitute, as it appear- : ed to us, the only difficulty in no afraogcrnen'v . ' was very incoasidcrable.4 Doctor ' Adams cotft t curred io opiriori that thty'were not' pidy j ', . ' -u.fluv ,uit iui titer ciuiN..,aiu)na' afiq tr- . i M "t .i T 'a' ( " r i.i i t .1 K1 4 If' f tl.': I 3 ,P' i It 1 j. 'tii IV.'. ' 1 ' "-.(... : a it 1 " J 1 y -. s 3 -r ?. i! i r i " ii i nally told thern that, consider B ihVdi&io tions which .we' had beer nap'py tq 'nS?4( !Vf tli i$ thm, we would now say, that Wc nJdecfer vu.'g to!(olu)fse.if; a upon xne negotiation, reservu however, th rignt. as our now ra!, as well as ioinu' to withdraw from it.tf ciri Cumstancesahdiiid make it eti-jibre to' d"Cafe: and to leave, to ' ftfiXdarntV'WaonV' Wdftl-' I $bt expected, to concltidVit.; :;!V,; y?:ffiy$& : f!M The interview cfos?d;by thrundeTfatict s to provide .'themselves :.imediaely1jaIhij necessary powers to procee'd" ii thegijuaf'.' tion . and by au ' assurance fhar thevv Wuld3 continue tr do all in their power to bring il id-'' ipeedydeeeesiulssut; -.:: -i. -r ' - .-, .;' ; Knract t rtinue ef aHxmverafHiM) wl4(tWTfce ai 1 loni (lnatUr.hi 1 '.Kt. 11 ..j.r J lord MslereffhlrJ between Ma lorcLdim' oM ; Clay and GatlAVjfv April W, 1815. l .- I.qrd .Castlereajih then ealltd' 1H2 atttrftnA- of the 'American commbsiooers to eoinrrmW oication . toade by them rairObepiiebitwe' . tivir power s treat on the ; eommw1aTihlew course beten ? the " cqutorieOjte. AajdV before he.;gaeiatl aoswir to iha&n mupfcjf '', 0Dh ' should ,begla1d, if iiif4i9g'': the American commissioners, ; that thre s u!L yvi Mvwim ,uin yjpanM ueiwccn xnem ana V F I 1 irr,T"! - mm 'f?rr t. m Sfc;;'!2- wiium mc uou4 iuavcMtevito;.ur-m tor that 1 m VI puiprse, to ascenaio rf it werely;eo MtK form the Jbup of a trcatyof ectnmc rce. H j : : ? shpuld;Erefer, tithlsWc km which he understood hatfeplace Jq'for;' igw'hftweer . M
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