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-Ave t y Br ; , '-- . ' FK" -i, ; v- Ik , , Pw Br whxrisrmYJr .fir ; ir" No: 722. V; Ol. 14. r Congress. DEBATE ' 'oh m rnsoLtrriotr. i mat iviunmi ui "l-1 vmmvm th oycaKCJn ii;cM ,uicjK wcr i lgain wr w; u uucs: iicic !ihu -was a joint out, aftJJting iO is'egainst all txa'mple ,lor : thi kst'tiKht year; there too. ; ,--Vf ' - whid the"oncurreT3f7fajr thJt r. i4 an innovation upoa all usge and pracUcs,, . His colleatjue, (MrV'Macon?-W referring tp forof Hcpreseriiatives may W ant lit conduct f ihe &xecutivd in rtla'.iqn L fcfuiol to receive anij jurtner wmnmnica fro rraneti , TANFOW) said, so m were theob .Li. features of the pretent "resolution be - Hmise. he should vote Tor, Ua iiulcfinjte ie House, tT iu nil ICawii M " w.- . - - - thought the lanj;yage and ttjrle of the re- i highly oDjecnonauie, hu : tivuicu i L.. kir h wji ahead? bad enoufch', 'still -... ' , . thai it wan iiiinKwui. yii.c auaiigc. tion upon all former.usage atxl pfactictn- Iroresent government ; and lastly, that,tt endeavor to newf arm iruaicu ; vrvuu uo do it to the satisfat'ion of the House.- - then premised that he vhad disapprod rodnctioii of the resolution of approbation last lession ;; that he considered unneccssa the preitnt he considered not only unne- L but even pernicious ; that was a pacific hii belligerent m an vim aspecu. ne uau ,ted a mode t6 one or two gentlemyn, ot rid of that onei tf thejr had thought pro din which case he should have contribut vote to have gotten clear ol it. But had sdon been pot in a direct form he should fferedfrom his colleague (Mr. Macon) in- has he should have voted for it. fie could it done honestly otherwise as he had most If approved the arrangement madejjy our merit with Mr. rskine, v Further, .that as ed the rejection of Mr. Jackson, he thought ' with his colleague, that lie migty well e dismissed on the receipt of hh.Hmt let le tells us for what he had been sent and Jnded to dp; In the case of th'6.Chaapeake, le dec!aration" arid to receive counter rations" simultaneously, in othtr words. snwanck ipsults and niufders i we had mil suffered, he came to stipulate atape we would stipulate, a sort of counter atone- oie same time. Stipulation for, atpula it rate ! It had unai aptnu'tei to Hit ma- bssary to corn mand hi ctt to propose to Oyr stent any formal agreement" to take place ejected one ! ror the matter, sua Mr. S. kkspn; irfstfUctidniWuch rather , thart manner 'of fits negoctation might the com Itioii have, been cut toff with him. Both M manner were to be sure objectionable. wrmer in his estimation formed much the U ground of dismissal. It was but too u-4acksoft-wou!4-0d-a mtr oiie had done j that he did not' come 'me us was but top manifest . , lie the moltgion before , Ms j sir, ancts to Lhs Jbcecuive- govern ment against jnsul t. gdage .V highly indecorous," it descends t)Ic of expression itself, more cufpable and m, unworthy, indeed, of the country and n'7 vPf pver'nment. It was a flattering DWow. that in the style of diolomatic cor. N4ihe AmeHcaii side of thi .question ". m v imipamon wun tnat ot any otnef. its as ell ay former instances tKe'.dyan. ecaluiatedrlas-he presumed Htofiri: cry, American bosom with just sentiments fe Had; itvtherefore been recommitted Prague ( Mr. Macony had advised, he had 'U could have been amended, and render- WhybfconsiderAtEon as "sTstatFpaper uMijr to be in its present dress and HMr. Spe'aker,'if the measure be intend- e anyeff ct, it must be a bad on?. It :ffra war. Already are our difficulties Bntain critical enough,' but if gentle- ' wen calculated not to aupnort.' but to l"e pacific views-and intention of the E Wlv fnrmfXnem fK rlvnr cahfc ntgoctatrou, which the Executive by ,n" EC ShWft'im Urn UxA trur., 1 101 "10 British m'inittr 'in hU -nVcr.,.n iw our gvernme,nt, had it not" been re 1 thtir rrt Unit ,u " sult f the individual' Pf consoUtion to ourselves -and the couh- w wrongj and insults had been even as e the continuation pf impressrrients for 1 of k a. ",1!,tance TOQre than ne,' It "tiler ITMrilltra rnntninnn wttK;inn urufr an1 nutting L. 1,1 ltMfice herein "the ten unAorCu ol the'in..luical proiesaioas wc het v pleaaanUy on the top, thut part of the wheel which to act iipothe present occasion in their 10 Ja toipre made, even l o made at;ur le siUion, they ay n Virginia, Tups the fastest, and he be- sohmn, Icglslatiye capacity 1 ihak tho resolution ) tc was onei w Senate ami House fv necessrv.1 ' - reference, in rd only- be had to the speeches of gt;n mer umesi htid - expressrl some doubt whetherMunispenaible, Hence thep, of necessuyTHt must tit in en during be last session. -They tford the the majority, were i,hc same paftynowthey wcicibe vented to the President Tor his approbatioa'"- most mplt.proou'j. 1 hey wcMhen, unwilling to thep. ,Ue jelt'no doubthimself.-they were ,thejbcfre it could take effm pr being' disapproved pour out' use gion awuiauou .upotne L'.xecuiive suae; dui iperc was no-room io.(ijuii irom Mt head. It wa deempd unnecesr), anti ttpubli- present quefcimi itself, ihoyhair undergone some can tp do so- He 1 hoped gntleriitn undirsU)od strange modification since former, times. .The him-4hfr:was using heir own, language" upon that doctrines then must be well remembered by.hiitt; occasion, and not his pwh. -'He borroweil it tor its -yourseli, Mr. Speaker and a lew others on this excellence and fitness upon the- present occasion.' floor.- The advocates of -thm- sort of. adulation nuch laneuaee conveyed nis sentiments mm, and: must go pack -beyonii" Uie- times ot the late and' aiiit tfid i and fojLhjis part, .he could not convpre- last admini!tiation,",if they woald iatiodntc the Ktnif how ffcouId be correct then,and now thdi.fashion again reverse pf correct. Some f entlenxeit on "'the floor perfectly remembered that when Mr, Jetkrson catne into the1 Presidency eight years. ago, he ji uve opcmni or me r utn won' gress,'in the answer ot this House tqthc speech of the. Piesident, these wotda are used-' cmnot omit" to testify our approbation of the meaj Changed the mode of personal address into that of sure, and to pledge ourselves thaf no consult: ra written message. u In doirftf this, ' said he, m his .firsrnwssage. I have hael a principal regard to the convenience of the legislature, to the economy of their time, to their relief IrojnJhe embarrass ment of immediate answers on subjects not yet fully before them, and to the betierits thence ro suiting to the public affairs." Alt acquiesced in dons of 'private 'inconvenience shall prevent oil bijr prt, & faiHifuKdfoehargeJ of tho durits to which we are 'called" iituLagain, this Sentence, " whilst we view with satisfactioi, the wisdom, dignity and moderation; which have maiked 'the measures of the supreme KxetutiVe of our coun by himi would have to take thcOurse piescribed 1 in the case of bills.. l'hus We ee 'theuriprece dehtfed novelty s not to say the'abudit df thf thing. Both liyues, the Cbngess, the legisla-i, tureof the United Spates pass a resolution apptof ing.the piesident. iThe f resident has, to receive it, aid afifirove our epfirhbaiim-n other words, to afifirove hijnzelj j forasto div5pnmtiJonlilikC.-J, imisthe presumed to hi out o,the questlolr tba. "f tould not be imgi ecU It vwould place the Pre ' sickot in an unpleasaut prtdicamentr thing n; WiV necessary U be duhc, anifor one, , he" would! not rontribuif to do it. . And U sides when pa ' per likt the present shaU' have ben legislated ' through the seven) branches of the gevernimtnt, nall have passed through allits foims in, tfiuri," grcitt councils of the nation; it must be cohsider,; ' ed a state paper df ho ordinary cast. And in till pi ttaMlit y wot. Id become the subject ot'diploraatioi corresfiondcnce abroad;, at least, it - was 'likely our nu luster uv London would have to be infornv. try, in itvattempl o remove" bv candid ex,lana this new course, and from 'that time till the late i tions, : -the r.omptuinit Und... jealosit.oir France- instance mentioned, no time had been wasted in we feel the full force .-f that inniuity which hasd sotrieihing about the occasion, the style, th.. pouring back the oil of adulationor approbation! been offered our country in' the -rejection of itsjform and motites of such a, resolution on the part" in any form on the Execitive bead, rhe only)miiutt.r. 1 hi-t language ."was too mw h in ,th instance which could be cited d ting theJast eight jst)le of acUikvion ....for us then to brook, aild our years, Tvas found incidentally incorporatewin a re-. names, si rt stand recorded together against it. soiution relating to the navigation J, the Miftsis-JLct gentlemen compare for themselves. tsippi. ' The words were " and rV"'u.ig with pw. . h is' the peculiar misfortune, sir," of this feet conodrnce on th system, ic vigilance and wisdom -.of, if again to be, revived, that the right ofr approbaii- the Kxecutive " This then was thc only drop of:on hullv implies the right of' disapprobation7 this oil which the last admi'iivration pioducfcd,lc nnure, and during the same 'a&ntnistration of and has-been called up at this first ordinary sessi- which we are" speaking, tins right ol disapproving on .of a new- administration to form Sri example to and censuring whs also attempted .to be exercised, follow; or rather, might we not say, to resume ! The resolution was. introduced at the nrst Sessiu the exploded practice of, former timHrttod thus! of the Sixth -Cofrgrtss, by a c-eihlemun then Iroin the ci'y ot Mew- oik,- (Mr..L.ivingst2n) in tlu case of Jonathan Bobbins.'' The same gn.ictMt is, occasionally - present here at this time, ami seems ytt to be a stickler for judicial decision, an still thirks the Executive against an - individual matchless. odds. '. '1. fie part of the: resolution ul ludetf to, runs -thus. " that the decision of ihoM echo back messages in this new form of jomtlreso tution. But what was the stylrtFTwhtcb gentle men spoke at Our last summer session, when the subject of approbation was then before us. The language of one was, "if it were 'the object to bring before the House a discussion upon the messafee of the President, and to return an answer to his eicellency al most gracious message he questions by the President of the U. S aain&t h should certainly be opposed to 'it. If there had jurisdiction of the courts bfrthe United States n evei" been a particular part of the former adminis tration, which had met the approbation of the re publicans generally of this couatrt , it was the di continuance of " tlie practice.'' Another had told us he was "opposed to a deviation from what he conceived to be the duty and becoming the digni ty of the House. ' " He .thought the House httd nobler duties to perform than passing abstract re solutions 'oiiVitf "''wh'ich no legislative act is con templattfo,'.' merely for the purpo of pounrg the oil of adulation upon the head of the chit f magis a case where those courts had a bendy aun.tii and exercised- iuvisdictiction and his ndvice' am 'request to the judge of-the district c'ourn- that the pel son ihu charged s hould be delivered np'; pii vided only sue!', evidence of his.criminality sbou'. lie produced iiS would justify his 'apprehension an fommitmitU r.f trial, are a davg'rw intef r,m vj the-kxecutive with judicial decision:" vVencr then, sir, it might be easily seen from a poetic of this sort, that a whole.. section might he wast td withi ut doin ai.y part ot the public bukinsi yania (Mr. FimlTey) whose opibiofis are always so much relied upon, and respected In this Mouse, and he (Mr.. S.) triistedby few more sincerely tluvn himself, had upon that occasion with singular hyp pines ah3 force spoken thus. Law, (said the geMemltn) is the only language of a legislature. Tt is the only language that can cemm'and obedi ence and respect. Any equal number ol pitizens met m a tvern, and there passing a resolution-of approbation,5 would have equal force , with such a resolution parsed i this House, ''and would be more in cnaTacterr They are acting without, au Penrrsjt H he tHTTir'mrhJ' btrc miles. of ciui fjovernment. f ie had seen almost (.every11 s'aie peper rtcjorci some sucn explanation ttnd we had no reason to behevt such necessary ' ex ' planation would he wiuilKld. ! ;. mong theohumeia.wl and specific Bower ' given to'CongfeSs were to be seeu the fwwertO)' lay -and . codec ttaxts. bonow moncyr regulate commerce, etLb!:sh ruLa of naiuralizaf ion. fcoin money and the likeall looking toVme fair and proper oujtct of general le iaifrtian, thence som exercise .of the executive function, and some ulti mate, m ob.ible publio uoddbut nothin? f all attaches td the present measure. It is in -he ne character nothing- but il words" an abstract, iiiooerative iinnir ; a oeati uuter tne momont t . .... . , lassed. rowi rs not tleleg&ted w ere retained, re- Served to the people,, und no such power as thatr we were about to exercise could be made UppeaO o. belong to Conurrss us a legislature. It was th peculiar .right, of the people to approve or dieap tove tbeir; tunctionariesi but not of the Congres in any ttiet way than the constitution pointed opt. ,lf any gentleman on the floor" could ly hi 'land upon his heart and read this paragraph ofi -the ct iisiitution and then say that we cowld oV ou Jn to pass upon such a resolution, (for let i5 e remembered we are legrelatingacting in out( oint thpucity,) it waH more than he could allovf -liinseh jo say, or to believe under his bath, toj ' tipport it. If, indeed, we are now to form a new lecedent to I t: resorted to upon all future occa moos to give into this uhstract species of legisla- moi-x: - Id- n-xtemlei-and'wehatt---bnt distiatt ( iirstlves anc commit an eriilgss-wastci of- t'vm. to no good purpose. Noihhg good,' and iiiiuh evil mny grow out of it. .. . Should iht resolution, said Mr. S. be nalif at'rpu-d, he wotld be pel milted tp say,-it was th4 ;" hi-1 of the kind Cv r ess -ever had passed he for and hf wonlti tiefy'il.e research of .any. 'gentleman in th. House. ho ever accurate, to find a sinla -example .-of the kind since the government, corn- menced The pioc edings ul both Hobses wer ihw-frPmeistUutJon or the rules of the House. It would, be for that gent lemon to tell us to4ell the Hqiise, and he .would bsg th gen tleman's pardbn forMhe particular,,-request ; but he must request that he would take the occasion Jo let us all know how his doctrine then is now to be gotten over. For his own part, he could not comprehend how right and wrong Could change ther respective sides in so short, a., time. , The gentleman from N. York, ( Mr. FiskJ had also at the late session of Congress made a long, and by no riieohs unhandsome- display of his ta lents, in I'iplztch'againsi ' approbating ths Exe cutivey and a like lengthy display at the present session in favor of approbating.'' The gentle man then thought a resolution of the kind ''extra o"rdinaiy." He was agalpst giving his v;Jte'of approbation as a represefftalive fn.this body, how ever meritUrjious might be the action .which he had perforritfed. . He had not done an act of super? ogation. He had only done: his duty. Again, " he never, wished to See- that House converted in to a temple for offering up adulation to the Execu tive magistrate," and finally concluded with say ing he should vote for"the' indefinite postpone- mem or me resolution. . xne ouse were semng a dangerous precedent, highly rpcrnicious to the nation. TEey were going out of the Tine of their duty, pointed out by the constitution.''- If the mo- 1 tion f;o postpone did not succeed, he should pot 'held vote at all." ,. The Gentleman had. indeed,. relerred States. I .,. , 5 ., . . -i In The 4 th Congrtss, oil the subject of a -Call for papers in relation 'o-the lliiwsh trcuty, antnhtfp pvf difference arose ei ween" this House iiivl the Executive Gen. Wahing"on was. the 1'icsidt tu. His reply o the Housed as, that'' a just rtyiod" to the constitution ono to the duty of I is Vfi'iCt tor , lid- a "compliance wulv their rfqutsi.'' J'he House ftpain by rcsoUiuon asserted .their rights disclaiming, however, at the st:.'.,e time, any ygen cv in' makuier treaties. NotuithstandinK the vio Icnct arc! passion ci the moment, this Hoose did ol w coi d and spread on tho Journals ot each, and not then think they had any right to meddle wuh-if there wasthe lhadftw ola precedent' for th the" narking 'r'tieaties j but now il wcu'lo seem measure be hoped it would be.lound. He hum the present House were disposed to join the e- bly inireated pt gentlemen to point it out. Mr.S. hate by this sort of ihlerltiinre hi the, neqrociati-.concluded with saying, so exceptionable was the ons of tne Executive to form a treaty, Vresolu ion to himin point ot style, in point of forrn, In all cases alluded, siffe, it should he distinctly and in point ol cf kept in View, that each House had acteo ior itsell;ed us postonement, and it that, would not do. ana ' s .-'.' i n li. ' ; .. ' , i ' . . ' k fc... t. T vyaiivv III lllb ICII rjwe, , aud the sensibility of Congress' had Keen an.iib....j p . II rkf -wim;iisunIV TC90IUIIOU Ol IRIS n;'7e f. e Executive. Theruth is, I TO needed it. r A. m ' IVervJ.j h,tL, . T mr' speaker,- refined upon the in voting their approbation and homage to Ext'cu jit must finally pass,' it would havt to do it witttt 'ne speecnes aoa proclamations, tie naci, ruer oui iu ence to the prodamation of neutrality by (itneh l, . ' ' v ' Wabhington This was the first time Congress ever legislates approoauon oeiore. . j Friday,-January 19. Mr. A'rw'Bwjfrt-m.the committee of cornmercjj Dut Mr. S. said not-to protract the observations-' and manulactusreponed a bin "to prevent the he hadlr.tei de'dto makean'dnntctssnry length, he issuing sea leiurs except to' certain vessels." re would come' to his last position, which he 'deemed' tefred to acommtuceot the whole house on Mon- tmanswerably conclusive j but if he had miscon:;day. . "r , " , . ' eived the real force of that argument or tny oL"ier, Mr Macrn't hill regulating commerce was calJU it was competent for any srentlrman to sheit.ed up Mr. Bheas motion to strike out the last The different gentlemen of the House Ml.tlis i section, so a's to maW the law permanent, undefc roVeredmuch learning and ..research upon the oc-' considiption. ; ', , ' -A casion, m hunting tip authorities ; but what bad! Mr. ihhrmw spoke .against the amehdinemV bdokson the laws of nations to do with the prevent He wal'oliovved by Mr. SUrfgesr in a very able resolution before" us ? ' vYhat Wkquefort, rotiusr.'-and argumentative .: speech against the amcrv MarlensPuflendoifT and Vattel, htd todo with jt ment.-- . ' - 1 ' K " Ke was entirely at a loss to' perceive. - A case a" 1 ' Ar. futt spoke in favor of thebilC""' '. ' gainst a case, gentlemen had pretty "clearly made1, Mr. JrVt-or against.it. ; ; - ' , ' J out from these differing and different writers'.,. 1 Mrt P.utttr spke with great and good serisjft Admit the arguments oh either side, and still the and great good humour against making the bitt. propriety or impropriety of passing the present permanent. ' ' ' - ' ' ' - i resolution wasiioi iu dc ancuieu or mvoiven. ne . """ y1:,011 "f"""" Ult w""'mw. in his lhd theonstjtution, of the United followed m favor of his telovtd child. ..." , . -Hi. . Wrfd make that his text book, .imd Mr. JtVv rpe to speak pa:nst the amendmentm us back to thtiinevenihTftrv iifrs of -"8 '99. whftnUonlcl teg leave to call the attention of the HoUse' v. ben he was xTHtdlrorct.r i Mr.- hhtfley; anl mow the echoing approbation system was the 'to asingle pkragaphr; which it containedvllt Was ion, pot fith a view, perhaps, in. so .mabythe 3d of the 7th. section and 1st article and: is' to recommend tbem for our present model, reads thus, " Every.order, resolution, or voteto. It Was siltticed, ,, The qutstictr.f n the Mntndnunt of Mr. nnea was intn iasti ai.u iwbi .uuqi 103t. we know fashion but to ihew-thatnt1i.ti'n,tlie other side of which the concurrance of the Senate and House of , Mr. Mann' motion to l.mit the ftct to the pre the Hon bad b cal round Li . -.( "" "viiuuuiu we aris com-: eenue- ' D Ml"ni ik. i .i f J. . - ' j tecith7p6, i w,jvwiorccot the -wtm- the.' political roundabout n six short months. ,ijg oisapproveu oy mm, uu .cH-tu u7 - - - tcnn ticial ntercourtfi f the FreaidnrQ v ,.n.. tl' .1' .i j .i , . iji t.;i f hnth Hi, nrrnnt ntr to the -wdes nre. ire. Dill CMeii'g icnnticiu inicrcoum) i .i -h"ioi viic euuscuu!). a lie- . nuca aim me mill - new : in -otic uiiccnuin muvu - ,o.. i . r ; . i-t i. -iiui.. ..... aii-u kUwjigtwtttCQ I tiF 1IMIW hl,v,ivlA i.!..- I ..l ' I... 1 ... - .U-'f in Ik. Jlmm f Kill . ' ' lvu d tn ir..- . " ijuc rciv bv me iai session, ana at me ppestm k nics m ic "" - , - 7 , . - -i Mr Ab-,rri cf,t td the r . 4 W Heatn, r.' sneh .Wninii'h ' i-A:,'. .:.t.k- ..-i., .Ur!- . "Mr--Stanford, then observed, he trusted the tV9J ru 1 I 1 , - hh . i. .1 f f I-' p. h fa J Sh 1 1 1 s 1 I I ft J 1 3-. J: 11 J,' ,7l r; - r K -: i 5 1
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