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.1 ' I 4i Vol; 15. ! V ' mil !, ii 1 in. imi iii.ii mi 111 urn mi inn, 111 n.iai mi, i in 1 inniiiflnmiiiinnMimn LliJUi - i.. a . ?',, ,, , 4. .? , -flr'11?0 i1' fi?f t,ubm5tt1 j ForVinrtn, the bvi and journal., ' A g i,W it rfid .pRP tp-him that (he C ditWliw ' S$l$lat1)Xt Of BrtCflrcHlJ .-V v 'fM--which All reQisitp tlttaihcQuld be entered; For -xlhtnl viin ' the same through :w.T. .--' ' . ''I i"n. I.OUfi-Wa?.ntirfltfrf linfli f n Ihu r 0nl.1t irvn - j - - -rrT'T- . " iv.iiUIi'hi AndarrtenJment. ,4 He was opposed to the resold U'Tttx, btcause he couM never' ap-rec to put out offices to,. the Iowet b'.ddt r ; and to the amend. merit, rtecuse he did not think thujgijtLpfasent r puDuerinung, more thatv enough tj be SKETCH bUEBATK li'jaiesoluiion fubmlttedby Major Owen ffauyetothe'puL. ' ' - - 1 t r ' '.-- - i ' ... ; u ' . . lie priminc;,,-' ' ;., . - UOV&of COMMONS , 1 1 ." 1 '. Vpr 0(r called fo ;1he. order of the, iay -on Jfflowing resolutiop Submitted Abywn ' oa Tutsda J -V-;.".,' -V'- ;.:--; t.' -'v-i. 'Vftercnf it i cotMatent. wth ' loant8mf ataJthe ftiUbful 4WiijBjjresaiv'dii tk ccalt jtepiiojft, iTthe ;???ditartf aV GckoI Assetnbly t!iat'l:t56loL's.are amluaBr ex fljed for pintip fc (iatc, when it is btlleed the'uame can be done for aiattch leas sum, Resolved therefore, That it is Jjpedieiit a law be passed- regulating th """puhlic 0mva ;ucb msinner that it may be done -or is lowest price, ; ,(- -; -V.V- - tjlaj.-fwVn said he should not now have riser, y it not beerr for an error vvhieh ;had crept into ftaiernent -he, had submitted to the house a day Wwo ago. The editor of the Register had at- wptedto correct his statement, forwhat object tecojKHiaiien. ne am not Know wneuier the vjject had heett merely to notice an error, or to fcWn iiTcn. was.pjjoseja o leinng out me printing ajtosetherlhe year 85rthe salary of tbe prin ter "was V" SOflht M in that of '86 it was raised to impress the members of the house with., the be Ecf. that his statement was generally erroneous. Jot although Mr. Gales bad noticed the mistake, KIJIU iiuv jjijlc me vucotiLfu 111 a ia.iv jiuiih ui jf fM. ' sAlrt'ost every-' jHiar afer Jhftt, for several ysara, tnere was an exira auowance. 'oaci oljro'a ; ioOla?."'; in the year '98 Mr. Hodge, the public priori-, was lsrft put, and ia '99 'Messrs. rfodge7and Boylan were again elected public prin tera44nd.a xvei! 4s he recollected, representation were made luat tne sum auoweu w (he business,' yas too little. In the year iSOja committee was appointed to; enquire whether' any, and if atiy what alterations were necessary in the law relat ing to. the printing. -Mr. I lodge and Mr. Martin happened to be at this place, and the committee enquired of them whether the salary paid was. too grtat. Mr. rtodgeanswered. that, in his opinion it was little' enough, and Gen. L. believed hi$; statement, for he was, in his opinion, an honest man. Mr. Martin returned the same answer, as j he was informed by some of the gentlemen on the 62 cfiu'iues at 8 4 pef countyi ' ;- . Tor distnid'i.if; the acjts.of con,- ) grcs Kt S 1 perfccouny"t" Compcpsiiioiv for extra printing - makifg in all Fifteen Hundred end Sjxty Dollars the Public 1?r!iter annually drew from the State ol ' Mortu Larobna I ! , ? He. wool t no'ty- advert to the services jsrhich the Pi'-ftKc V1 r-perforniedj for this unprecedented aitwim j s fcrv t By the Statute Wfork al- iJWea to. ( not, ...tii. , tf ), .bat wflicerwa required ta furnish onecopy of 'the .Journals for each rutin- ber of the Legislature. 1 here being- 62 ctoumies in the btate, arid three members from each coufitv. this wouid afford ,18 6 copies. "J He was also bound tp furnish one copy each, for. the Governor, 'the Secreturj of State, thefreasurcr, the Poniptrol ler, and the four clerks cf "the Houses, or tight copies more,, amounting in all to 194These, allowing two quires for each copy, would require, say twenty reams of paper, vvhidi at2 dollars per oinnc part or same, 10 prevent any ettectuuj medy Iprlhe abuses wlich djd pidsfcepajJy ?sv r ist. How cbuld. tht representativjes of ihe' peoplg expect either tg deserve orjiold theji1 sVatjffWy suffered tht public treasurte lev be sqitawlrwln un precedjmtedjpanner f Was nof ihj q! ityrj. onlhe return . or every membe $ )i&. por.5ifn;v;,l ents, Have yooTactf the taxei ?-- Ahensytp were . No Mwas greeted with-ibe tUe f'Mjfy 348 63 ream, would amount to The Public Printer had likewise to fur nish one copy of the acts of Assembly for each member thereof, or 136; To the Governor, Stcretary of State, Treasurer, Crtmptroller, and clerks-of each'lloue, 6 copies ; To the Judges, 6 copies ; To the Superior Court Clciks, 8 copies To the Attorney and Solicitor General, 2 co- aiul S40 committee How then could it come that if the salary was at that time too little, it should now be too, great, when the business was every year in creaSimr ? However, he was willim tn mnV an . I I . 1 ... ' m J . . . .... . i l . , . .. . . ' . . . tw, ue naq not ine geneiDsuyo oiier a tUii; enquiry upon tne subject. But 'how could the ; Pes ; lo the . gierks and' . Masters in ijatement of the sums "annually received by the 'house obtain correct information ? If tl)ey were to, Equity, 8, copies ; .One copy to each J public printer. However he 'was pleased that the ga to Mr.' Gales, it might be said his information I tie'e of the Peace, saylKK).; To the Couutv 'wfeciton had taken place, as it afforded htm an was not correct, because he was himself interested. Court Clerks 52 copies ; To the Sheriff's mfbituoity o shewing that he had not overratedIf they went to another, he -might be interested, 62 copies ; To the-Coroners 62 copies, ar-d i. : - . T - . I '11-1 I .-- . k . . I . . . ' to the Executives oi the several htates, 17 copies ; In dl 1 9 1 9 , which allowin,: oe quire of paper for each copy, woii'M require-, say 96 reams, M'hich -.-at J per ream, "'wouW amount to., The Public Printer received fjiir iA- ,ie talaiy of the printer. He-' should therefore Kke an addition to the statement he had offered kTpesday. ,",S".' . ; v ... -,' .. ; . J ' According to the statement as corrected by the jBegister, the sum of 1448 dollars was annually 'pad to the printer. ".JBiut he had. since discovered .Wonc dollar per county, or 60 dollars had been likewise, and his information could not be depend ed on. And it would be the same case with a third. Resides, there was no gentleman in the house suflicientiy actiuainted with the business, in his opinion, to give necessary information; If the price of printing was now too great, no gentleman in the house would be ciore willing jthan himselfJlars per county, for disliriuiin the Laws sfcf ed to him for distributing the Jaws and jour- j. o reduce it. He Jiad to pay his portipn of the 2ii congress besides an extra allowance-of f 5 . public taxes, and of course was as much interest- jiarsuT. a rtauiuuuu ui mc iujusc. i ihs inao :Ci as omers ; ana ne lejy lor. ois consul utms, on that subject, as much as any ether gentleman. But he. was not for reducing salaries too much. Hfc "wished every public servant to .receive enough for his' services, and no more. If any gentleman 'wished fo build a house, and should employ a carpenter to do the work would.it not be just to give him enough for the lab,or ? Would "it not be a shame if he should refuse it f If then it would be shameful in an Tndividlial, would it not be as great a shame in the legislature to refuse a fair price-for the work they had doner The method This made: addition tothe : sura total, of f 5 'dollars;' inall,." ISi collars," which was annually allowed to that tlemao.' Mr. Qwep had merely risen to make iiobserration. ; .,;:';.,;'.' ... ' T jar. Muafordt obserTc4 that although oppos tiltokting -o'ut the printing tothe lowest bidder, jleii iiavof of reducing the- salary allowed for purpose. He should therefore move to strike oat the whole of " tbe resolution except the pream k tad insert' the following amendment : Rtnlved, therefore, that the salary of State, ncy mosi pcnamiy wwhjj, inatioreIu.aa oi.g rhousandoilira of tf lr oey-wwq fee' tfi' a PriiWer,Jor tlir?"ls UbbrofnQicr months and rf ftaft'wAaf Swu'tfTfe ; 1 to twtt toniilimenl 93 "gto 'l demanded I"f H 6 - tt as "therefore nV accept the amendmeht whicb had been J to the 'air? resolution, h He desired to see the destroyed, whWh' ttiWA there were several printers at this place now they could not tell how many, more or less, there might be, in a few years i There might only be one pr Iwq. - These might unite and charge, .double what was now paid ; for they would have the house completely in their power. lie. said he held is his hand ah amendment -to the resolution, w hich if adopted, by the house; would furnish the means of obtaining correct information. Objections were made to reading-the amendment ; and it Was decided that it wo).ifd not be in order to re ceive a second amendment,, until the previous one hacLbeenjdisnosed ofj General Love continued. pnnter lie reduced to the sum of one thousand (of letting out the printing to the loyre'st bidder, msf and that the distributrm of the acts aild 'might be productive of much imposition. Altho' jsirnabof the assembly and acts of congress be; awtoetf a part of his duty. ; M JiwnysiA entirely opposed'to the aTfiene "ffltjbecjiuse it had a direct tendency to destroy principle, of his r.esolutjqn. " His object was to 3 the printing done at the Jowest rate wha- that might be ; arid he could take ,upon him that he could procure the duties of pub sprinter to be done for a sum less than 1000 ,4$ It.was certainly proper, find, .economy Quired; 'that the labor: should 1 be done Tor the j W Jurft the: house could obtain." And in what N Bar the house' to come -at this object ? It (NJ be impossible in the manner proposed by gentleman from Rowan. The house was; not intent to a'.ctrtain the actual value of the !a- ()the printers themselves were the only proper ,t-w rte would not take upon nimseit to say M t,he JKDi th - of .Jh Vcjcvices hiiuetionj j on i comparing , .eyv.f ' circumstance the pre ,'aipiioo I was that the ; legislatuie allowed for them njotethan their actual value. For his' Own 'tlie Wished not to curtail them 61 a fair price ; 'willing to allow them ample pay ; but this he .considered that Justice and diltv forbid i'flie hoiue to go. lie was decidedly tothe amer.dmeht. V lfVfrV: sentiments were in Perfect accor- 3lwh the principle of thej-esolution first sub- it was his decided opinion that thepre wtabfishment. in relation .to the public, print- swuld be entirely changed, ' The. object of f"jpose(t amendment had.not that extent, u ffi-fy&?lo reduce the sum paid for printing, "to alter the footing7 upon which that business , placed; The ill etfe.cts of the present system too evident, to escape observation'. 'At every party spirit, called ,u"p bjr . the appoint ,uMio printerii:irivarlably ''blaae-d forthil JPciseL amount o salary was libt sa'impor: . the Jistructionnof thatJpartyBptrit;which generally excited -on those' occasions. He 6 ce PHhUcr printer,"''' as connect ;r i gislwef to be- entirely done away. ,J C?UW not think that upon a jqueation of sb Hmm party feelinirs should beraUed up. Phwl a icomract for the pVrfprmahee of .t i uperauon nnuaujri twui.c su i y5e.of;party.spirirati ;ihe, LegUlittv' I ,0i.lns? was merely mtcnamcal, and .'could; jj :--" T any printer, OJ w nai conaequcutc iyie first Dbjectjshouldj be to. ilff might Le ad5pted.;r; Koffits vittbclef: printing precedent, by winch the legislature might here after suffer themselves to be imposed on. - All the offices in the, gift of the legislature might in future be given out in t.he same way ; and might be obtained by people unqualined-to discharge the necessary duties, i they would merety come for ward and say, that they, would take these duties upon themselves for a less aum. Had he been permitted to read his amendment, it would, he believed, have pointed out a way in which the house might be enabled perfectly ito obtain correct information on the subject, after which they might pass a law, which would place the business; on a properooting. . ""As ta the, mere ofike, it was ..a matter of moonshine to -him who was the printer. He did not -care- whether it was'TbnJ, Dick, or Harry.. His objection"' w.as to the practice of letting otit offices, and taking it out oUhe -pmver ot tne Legislatwre ; anJiVwas therefore opposed to die resolution in totor if the amendment.' wa not received- ; , . 1 '- . :. :. MvliVebi thought, that to receive a second amendment while another was pending would life, entirely out of breTHel'a8 ,6f-opiniort;tlat" it would be mo8tcorrect to acts intheJirst fpJace, upon the original resolution, aSisiibmitted by the gentleman" from JJladen, (Major'Owen.) li-that were Jo fall, it would be correct to act uponlMy other proposition i He conceived that the original resolution wasTthe only point prooerly before the House.- and to that alone, the few observations he had to maker should , be. Striftly. cohtined.. : The xorrect waylof ascertaininG; ..'whether the Piihlie Printed was over naid for his services, would i b to refer to the Statuten the subject, and see waT'duties that officer was . required to perform These When compared With the salary ahd pe qh'rites of the oflicg, woujd. afford sufficient, iata fxir a c6rrBCt Opfoion, Hel bcwei thc only; 5ta tute now in force, relative tolf he Public Printing, wasthcAtV'ofi1'&4cjj"y stated; salary' of, ihe'.Pnjbjiig ;;Printer-4wai;fi'- S 1200 pec annum i but a snort, statement wpum and Journals ; but it. had l-en i v':;cs:red by those who performed tliai du y, :-s also the duty of distributing the :ict.s ;' on-irtSs, that the . actual expense tii..l not exceed two dollars per county, or r -' 134 - ... S 3:6 amauor-jj.-iii all to three bundrcd aad iiy -jix. dollars, whkh 'subtracted from the run- of iifU't n hundred jind sixty dpllarsleft' a balance ot twelve hundred agd lour dollars, whii ii the Prirutr re ceived, for two and an half mcmhs labr of him self and two or three iipprentices or journey men. But allowing to the Public' Printer as a creiits the fullamount paid by 'the government for dis tribuiin'g the L3W3 and Journals and the Acts of Congress,; bow would the statement stajid t - Paper for the Journals, as before, i; Paper for the Acts of Ass. mbiv, - 192 Distributing the Journals, Acts of Assem bly, and A-ts of Congress, 310 -' ' " ' ' ; ' S.-542 amounting in all to five hundred and forty two. dollars, which deducted from the sum of 'fifteen hundred an4 sixty dollars, the amo i:,t which the Printer annually received, le U 4t the low est calcu lation, the enormous balance of C)'i Thousand and Eighteen Dollars, which the people of North Ca- Mr.'.W, thcrtfretru3tedi tha ths v'.. resolution'ontie gei:leman front vBIade; . mxiUl ' be adopted, and the PuhcJPriming regidattd jiy Before he sat 4own, Jhowever, Mr.-W; if 14 V51:-' tp do justice to' the gepileman who had hiihenQ-f conducted the business by observing, that ti hd! i existed. On theebntrary he toskreasure inifav-" ing that the 'work 'had been executed in a masierly J manner lan if t;liat jgenileman' would reduce ) , terms, ta"a level" with those which might be f- "x, , fered by others, he did noHiesita'te tosay, h should receive his hearty and candid support.' ' 1 Mr. jSeawcll said thath deemed tt. his dutyVi before he gave his1 vote'upn the resolution he fore t.helwuse, to slate "to; the ' house and to the Voljdj, ; if it were necessary, tht1 reasons upon whiclj i" opinion was f xunded.-" Jfe did not count himself ' as helongmg to ?ny p aety, - except there wei'8 -Ztl a '- 1 01 nomst tt)ti. (m an occasions-. p e . , meant to dtschHTre hA dutv'as honesty reOiflred . without inquiring to what et of men it might ctf -. might not be acreeable. - When he ws called un' on lo act he would noVlazk rbunQ to see whether, . th;; measure he advocated -or"i3D0sed was called federal or dcnioerntifiV-' Hsl would vote for 'all measttresof. general yptAy ahd 'oppose evetjr rne . which was contrary ic? the rights inUrfesto the imblic, let them come from- whatever quarttpA theymight.' --.-ofc , Vf'Vi 1 he 'only- qoestlon now: fail ly hefbre the hoazpt tv vas simply Js ftproper for;this house to consul "Ciincmy in the expenditure of 'he-public lyioney J V plain question, whith could be am.wered by terymuh.'-' Bm thefeehtlemen from '-.Haj woody C -,. (Gen IJ.qvc.) and no one had more respect -foi th iY. pinr o ef jJigtnii,4iath3sfiii5 bdrrJ'(.t1 ij-'i t wfis derogatory to the legjslatui to giv9,o,.t th? " f priniing to the lowest bidder. '.Although nothing u in i lie resolution before the house, went express- tx ly '0 say that such a method was to be dontea, yet supposing it dij contain a provision .of th kind, it was the practice which congress hafjujr; :.t 1 simd for many years. . And could that he deroga r-' J Uivy to this legislature, which was'pot lho.ughf so by the lelature of thVxmioni Suppose that' , the house should pass a law, directing the Setre-. lary of State to receive jproposalf in writing for th ' execution of the public printing, 'which was; the -plafi contemplated by the friends of the Itegoluti: on. Would that proceeding-be derogatory o ther ilignlty of the legislature ? " This was.tho marj.neV in w hich congress had their printing done. v; was also the system whicjr hadlpngheen pursued in the post office department., V" And it required i -. 1 . . : ' 1 . . . . r . . ' ... - 1 -a very nine acqmntance witniqe:ptstory 01 pur ovuy - ; country, to know how this had come round twaav well known, that there bad existed practice or He entirely opposed the system of letting ouitfieTfr'omTarnnxra" to parucular triends when there t.n ting, because it would be raising up a bad four nru-n, for the"bort period of two aad'a'n half (Were .others who-wouTdTliaveCcen wlQlng to do moqlhs I he work, ne believe. I, was req uredithe duties totsmallet; sumW.'-BUt tne, practtcC-naf i s-s to be completed within ninety days .after- the ri '.e been broken down, and that wasjthe work of Rlr . ' of each General' Assembly, and h.-, had been in- Jefferson, the father otraU,- republicatl'Thstt ' formed, and he made --no doubt ciTccUy, that not great man declared in is Inaogurdl spetchf qjp "f more than fifteen or twenty diys were requisite v,nme of hisjnessages Tocongress,Jhat economy ' was one ot the main '' pillars of repuhl.cani jm- i ; -$1 our citizens snouiu oe unemoarrassea whij 4 for the distributipn of the Acts and Journals. TjiU the gentleman fiom Haywood (Geo. Love) was opposed to the practice of letting out offices to the lowest biddrr.' He cbuid not see upon what reasonable grounds such an objection could be made, sofar as respected a conliact for a mere me chanical operation 'Where was this scrupulous delicacy upon former occasions? He recollected that heretofore, when the Walls of the State- House were to be painted, it was not thought derogatory to the dignity of the Legislature, to contract with the man who would execute the work in thg most masterly manner, and at the lowest price. Nor did.he believe it was thought so, when the contract was made for the erection xf the noble superstruci iurej which now crowns the Capitol of the State'. ( Alluding to th.15 steeple lately completed by Capt. JonesOlf therefore, on former occasions, it had not been thought improper or undignified; to get these things done -at the cheapest rate,, why should it be thought so- in parallel instances f - : i r- He could see no good which could result from the uspal method of appointing the Public Prineij. It yas a fact universally dmitted," that the ap pointrnent of that officer, had heretofore uniform.- ly1 tended to exacerbate the spirit of party. - But. vliy1f.d that.S into every petty "ramiScatibh oTpfflce ? Why" should It, be; inquired,' when necessary work and labor were wanting, whether the person who was jto" perform it, was pf this or that political creed ? This miKht be. proper in the "selection of Governors, Senators'; aid others high and responsible, digni-j taries ;. put in jue appoiptmenio a jpsre mevusi. thp only legitimate inqiury should be for the man wfc'ooutd perform his work in the most masterly manncti ndtn the'eheapest jtermsm V " ; i 1 nts, waa a. subject 01 serious compiauu.f nau too much regulation, unoppresstd: with fisocl'ext' action." When therefore, 'lie was called upn, . the representative of his constituents, to" say whajt he"would pay for the discharge- ol a partkul part of the public bUsiflf ss, be felt himself bound to say that he would give jt to the person who'CQuI 'V do it the beit and at the cheapest rate. ', - '' y ' Let gentlemen put the Iquestioajn B way jo: C wliich it would come horpe,. to their own bosoms f.r ' Would any one--jnr the house he .wiling "'ouj v? of their own pockets to throw away exlraya'gantlyy needlessly, he had; almost said 5 gratcitpuly).c.t important vum of 1 500 dollars N. . Jf 'tithjr'' of them were to have work- done, instead oj squandering his moneys he Would esaplo7flhal rf. person, who woujd ; do , the business forthe &T&zf-- lest price. , -Members should pay as much atteti; M tion in seeing that justice was IJone toe pbbVf as to themselves If they djd not, were theyact i irifi- tuitl-i fnrV'litu lni;arli the'i p nnatJf tifft ? . TUS 1 T'. ...b ...... rw..:. -. --v j, ... it was a species. ot treason, atjast n C9nd,ut , highly censurable; . ' -Y;4a'-"--v r , ' "L A few days previous had furnished a striking -; j xampie ot, nflTfltt-eeonqmy. . vvnata tusy - ,y 1 had heen niade alojf a difference of a fjfw slnn;ng .; j in'the price of bearding j;iayi even about cehts. , t4i If the.gentkmen Who Wer Jivinp otf thxpubhc ' ' money were -so i scrupjilous b'JD ahlllhsu an,i cents, Jt wotddat lcrjt bei:ihatacji'r that.they;.. . slvould be 'equally careful ofUie- public txpendif 1 V 3 lures . .11 woum oe, oesrues 10 legjsiaiB uprji . . k I i,0ne oXfibe flplKriff' 'f i:?publjcnisui fc- ,wa 1 ' toarj'eviinift'-.lhe, cy rn'muniv,,;an eijtial opportanity of fiving byJLoe same roca.is. . It w"as,anofliep'..wVe.'maxtmavcl-VrJ Jefferson,. be done by a J better &hew what he annuaUy wcVived. ,'. -4cted;Cre5it attention throughout the State,' and j that poU-JcalVf s;cioneut to U-wuch -'"' r-v '-; X " - ' :; ' . "' .-- . , - .. . '- '' -' ' ' , -;.-'-- ' , - - '' ' ?: - -J; ;-' - ,' w" '-? - '' -; JUa...-." 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