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M,, i in,,,, ,,lw-ipi)lir7lll .1 II n! - """"'D' mlmmmmimm H .nr .mmW mj4Zr.- .,,'..-..---- -i; J.'-, "-r ...... ;'.-.' : ' f r.- .... . . . , . . ! I 7B. :ii"i-iJ-Fiii, : - -Tr--j f-RALEIGH, N; C PUBLISHED (weekly) BY LUG AS AND A. H. BO YL AN. .. - ; 3 so jurjsrt.-. - f Vol. 17. FRIDAY NOVEMBER 27, 1 8 1 2. Nd: 860. Political. one set coast, our only vulnerable points, can be attachment to it WhicfVhas hithertolieen a national impression of the sense .of the House noon the me Tq the Editwsof the Jfe4 etlliican' BAyi.n ihk, Ocu SI. "fZftTifn-Wben the pviblicaiikon in the Na ional Intelligencer, relative to the prOcecdjtt;of ilerended ; and the experience ti all ages, well sentiment, and on tte preservation of which tt4 L kL . ' r . u - . i - i ' ' ? .11 --..... Lnt ruiimnttnnr v!ctnrp ljnno m liter caei wum t ltAiaitil I n me rcauu o ine iiunir nsci', iuiit uruven, mat piwiH v.v.rv...,-, " v- ...v.b..- ' . - . P . ' . ' . .. . ,'' . . s ' r It t J . a naval power in the hands or any goernmenr, is oe rowi raatciiany enieeoica, u noi enurciy ae less liable to abOse, than mtHtary power that one is a fjVorable, as the otutr is dangerous, to pub lie Jibcrtr. .'" ; ; " . ;;' ' iitn,rtewrVotd.w rneasweibr the-estiblishttieBLt'6f . ,1 tfvotiir urirh thnuir.r. ir. tnn.an ancnuira navai rorre ran never oe tx )ccteu ItlCnUOHCUj IVjJVWivi "".".'7,-7 , ; " ;-t .. 1 ' ' , J . klr. Otisi first made. Its appevanca, I flid hot F from thoae whosl prrjtidices, feelings and avowed onsider ""Y Public notice ol on my pari as ne opinions are, ana aiways nave Decn airccuj' unw ' v .' ..'.tl f f." v:.kln W.i ' ctavfiivlat rWtrvetH Ira a iiiatar.. atari ' laKfl IkaVA rtial Lneof mr friends have lately infonnrd tne, iUat coun:nanted, 'oppressed, atd alrtvost wholly des Lp and many other, 4hink differently, j I ut troyed that of .wbh-tliey found the .country (nit mv iudirment to theirs, and Havp rrsolyed to session. . . biitrpiotKiblei ; ffom his situation in J ite vou this letter,- wtfcj you willobh ttbr. But greixt isUne CTiltr stroyed, and the way that be paved for a apeedy ana nmi.isaoratioa. . . . Men ha : cinscientbsly believed tbat such cOnseqbencea rettobe expe ance of . this war," and that Vt will most certamiy contiuued as;lwg as3tr. Madison remains io power, wovid n-amraii be inclined to give the prcfe"rictO, arf othe'r candidate whose election might afford. a.e cVahce of Crscape from cyiU so rerrfbleWe viewed; Mr Clinton In ibis light We hagbi jt;pioiyxiUe," frm his situation in Ur8 in th fedmi RepoTilicanC ; ft tbf. ,icti..J!i pot ppcthsion j I It is utterly untruitiitoy'p'',op p oejiei, wotr hi io train ui, inw w . -nw wefts authorised, on tbtvpart.of .tlt eeting at N.q;rwUbout fparaVjob. anCoi)cUteiIivb.il lYork, to communicatCi'Wi'AaMr; ; Clinton f't'hit ! vigorj skill or: wicttssj ita.autho.is rpist s-oi:bi 'any representation whatever of political sentitnenta if . tliey areiiot aTrea'dy ; .cwjy inced j hat it corwt Expressed by iim, was tdcto -Wncir$ng. In' be ai ried dn by any respurccp ol this rta'inn, which Wiate convewations amongisome' of the naettii ; tKey We'eitbef tbe"'cbwine, the independence or Jjers, mention was frny-limii' t6 time jmadetejalentao call into'cti, , They see, or so$n CI:n;n which Mp, riiaion wIir- stated; or .sua - muV sect that the rhih'ii. t will not invadeC muda, o Inm any i1-,nei and small number of enlistments, for the re tits being eojloctet by Mis. Clinton, wuh far more dtrtiocrjVic gular army, prove what was soolit-n torttold, -that j.abiwy, ana.tnc-rctore wui tar nore Donor, nJ!es U t nn'nir inH iv.inlf nfthu r,.uniri trtinv tnn much ease.-'ininrv to the countfVe than could be exbecttd eveif member o( the hou&e, to rtfiect upbh'a shtv jeltjti which i wasceriainly pf great maghiiurie. , Perhaps alt who were present fi lt determined to - 'prV!V.fF--,nn,,tr- 0-he choice of elect o j yet there were but few who wol tint' pre.; fer one mode, to another None, could wish - thief state to irem.ain'' unrepresented i but, for the mir pose of allowing, time .to all to mftk(up n t iio. ami irtdepimdafnc i if hi character, fiotn ft'efinpwM senuineiiis .01 nis ufceaseu.uncie, anu iromiuc onpo6i;in made to" the war by his .principal tiHeiids & supporters, that be wrtufd ava'U famseff ot the earnest tipporturiuy or making pesce cm reasonable and "honorable- trms,' which "we were persuaded might be done wJienever tHe American government - should . thinkVfit ' f arid of restoring commerce to that state xt Tretom, protlctloa Wd to have expressed; relative to th war, Yo a .it it.vere a fit species of force ir wch a purpose, ana prosperity, wnicn it neretoiore enjoyed.-- fnaritiine defence, and io the needom ad proik The resource of vo'untcers, f the purpose of m j.We. also were of'opinioh, that while the war lion of commsreti but neither in this, nor1 iny rvasio H his liiled in the outset. Ami the tardi-(.should continue, there wa a great proh&iliiy of Joiher manner, did I hear Ascribed Kention to separate-' himself frtm the I .... 'am Ssw StentV r. W ntlAtl ,M l E,;m.i;An rmm him-, v.pmnw f ,ht Henri. tW 'ComTott and indeoen.lence at home, to beevrae re-1 ffcm the present aditiinistraMon. and dehberate opinion, he .wished the motidn --VX L entertained. o:bad exwessed in snymanierieutar soldiers for - any- other- 'purpone -than Sot-tbe--.b uch. Otniilffien,."were.:.tbe grounds on which,. pOTtpontmctitto prevaih M r r " - i " l i r . f , .- . r-i ' r - . ... . . ' r . j . i. . - - sach an mtentioivi tiafi I understood th4t h had dclcnce ot ih:ir trade such intimationsj I should hive th.cUht'r.vDA-:.d orient of them a strong grounavf objection to him on the w.ic nirtnf the ft-fie rati nt. 1ir.3il I l,nhl,l hvelte.' CTJIK1 garded them a at artifit:efjally oniiiificd Ui B' uisb jo uomiJy with our terms or of indemnify ! tired any profrs'Joa of political 'opinions, much ! He wqdr6tate a case, w hie hs would ,rove tys-; "yi, in-4ocere, to worl. u'poatlie supposed parry letjings irta u for heir noncompliance. But it must $o'n -less any stipulations as to political conduct, from i When the consideration of resolution, isubstitn- ' O of men. -who were actine fibm veiv d.f ' be ascerrai'itd, ':iat Canada for the rs.'Son which Mr. citnton, or cny otftts friends- lhey rtlred on ting anotner moae oi cnoice tor tne-one proptwea 5' tit! of the'uestiotu To have such an expression. m-fti aujr rujusuuu ne mignt make, they con-; tended, was a right which every member possess-, edi and, on the present question, it could not otherwise be obiainefd than by something similar to the jmbtion then ofi'cred, ft could not bf h-. tained by a vote on the resolution offer-d by Air, Wilson; neither, in the consideration of. 'hat re--Bolution, wouldjt be in order to takerinto view the ' jrVhoTe. subject connected withthe electoral law of last sessi(n. .1 " The Speaker decltied Mr. Cameron's motion to. beiut of order. From . which deis'.on an apptat wis rnfde to the housj-vwhen It wa ieonfirmd,' ft&T$;jw,M'' - tHSC&$hi( ;:rCam edj . Tne gentlcroaa heri moved to postpone the : consideration ; of Mr. Wilson's resolution 'tiutil; ' : Manday nex tv x r - , ., .'s "i;":Thia rqwion ht declared, did jot proceed from any desire 'to prevent a vote for. electors itv some ; ahane or other, Jbut from a wish to affdrd countiy l orn invasion, i ne ;svur as i wan coiiceri.eci or imurm, me preier- jonjer, u u wuiiuu, u $o iuivttc iueiiis o the wai, and Hie only object ience was given to tiir. Clintorf over Mr. Madison, question, sofer as to shew the propriety of Brtfpt-. '-'U -'' ii UaS t;re appeir.tnce ol Deing rauonai, li ine ; oy utc icucrai cui.chici. aasruiuicu ai icw iojk. lugwuis uiutt ( wi vnoonij; xicciom n tn ? ' . .iesi of Canada, as a mean of Compellinir the : The meetihg neither recet ed, expected, nor de ! the one proposed in the resolutlonbeforethe house. :- of a body fcrent. oud much higher motive?- jhuve een stited, cmnot be conO'iered by o ir ; his known characjer, his situation, nnd his obvious The federal getlemn assemtjWd 8 Ne York j own force 'a..dit will necessarily and speedily oc interests, which they considered as the only pledges d imo no - resolution tp u,.pbrt )f he tTeitii. cur to those clwged witlxjlhe war, an-4 -bent on ot any vaiwe, on sucn occasions i ney oia not con . Clinton. Tliev riid iAtA Meter him to Carrvinir.it 0.. at everv nskTthat France lns truons side r them as certain pledges, bnt merely as'affor- entered f Mr Mr. Madison. But thia. preference' Is far! ; as 1 was concerned, or. as" I, became wrq tainteo with the sen'imenta of others, rested whyllf on puLdic grounds.-' ; " ' , ' i! ! A very attehtive consideration of t1e toure pur sued by the American govermnr nf-' fowdrds the two great belligerent poweri,. eve- sine iheij Year p05, xhad long ago induced tiiove- lemlj w i t Wttoni 1 nad an opporiunityot pjrticalany cor.ler iftoft'on this su! ject at New Yorfc, as w-.ll us my tno-iga, which s!e woulJ be ready to lend ov lure tnng reasonable gronnu oi npe. un one siue for such a pri posa, and tint it wia'd be easier to they Saw the certaintlV of ruin, on.the other a pr 'core 20 or 3(),000 men from her ihan to raise chance of etK:apt?. I"hu situated, and judging as. them in" o.tr own country. Hence a I'rench alii citizens of the United States, and not as numbers ahre, and the co operation of I-'reoch troops in th's of a -party ; preferring their country to themselves, country, as soon as hiy can be sent here,jiri: na tt her safety to their own prospects of power, ofiice lui al and necessary coiiiii'nces of the continu- 'or em -lumcnt, they thought it their duty t)rio all ahoe of triji war. The '"number of. French .c.tiaens that might depend on them, towards lescuing her no in hia coun ry, rlcvoti'd to the view of ihe .'out of ihe hand of those, who have bu ug'ht her IVench trovt-rnment, ij 'known to be vtrv uret 'into her present unhap.oy and rtlarming state. They .'self, strongly to suspect -that -war ajaiiisi "Great I'robably it is much greater, ilwiv ww biy ima-Frast truu l heir conduct wiil be thought to. merit Jfrifam on the side of.' France.-wa s ' 4 esol ited on:i;ts. .And the certunty and facility with which: the vppo5ation of all g-jod men; and may. prove by those who directed ifhu rtffiirs of Uiis ctvbntiy, ibry 'cou'-l. be embodied, wlunever-x--'r'nch 'conducive to ihe safety, honor and happiness of nd would be made as soon as r.igress cou:d b1 Mandrd 'should lie laiscd ficrc, w ill c:silv be per. their country brought into the measure j end that the causes iceived Hjy those who iiave observed, as we have frana time to time allc e4 fir ho-tih: fpro ceding were mere pretexts, but by, no menin fnisiud the re'al motives. These suspicioits .ron ii liied to itKiaseiasAhe scheme apieared o be HJiiaily A Ivancing towards its accomplishmenl. liu'vjwhf n. after the. war was declared, w saw thfl; i' wis pv-' sisted in, although the orders in Covrhcii." always alleged as the soJe Cause of, it. were tew'ketl, a,i doubt, was removed from our minds, and w? were convjjiced that no termination of tjhis war coulct li. expected, while,. Mr' Madison should ipimli m ibt head of the government. j 1 "i1 . !-.' . Our knowledge of the utter "incapacity. -,and im becility of the administration, and of thos t wi.orn it had Confided the principal mmagement of nr.n tary operations, kd uS, at. the same time, to ie lieve,; that 'Nothing but disaster a.ij disgrace was to be expected, in the progress of trie war. Al though we Ihoirght' it' wantonly and lofdi ,:,1 urv denaken," and still itnore . 'ivantoriSy ;pt;ijUs1d in, still e jwished, thai while it, coii(ii.'djj it irtlght be so conducted as to shew the!couf aet prowess and resources Of theStation, injthe mlist advantj geous light ; which wc were perfectly convinced could never be dohei while it should be '.(conducted by the present administration.;) j' I .It is obvious, and universally, admitted, ihlt a ftable and effictenVf final system, jiomjT, -nsu-We with the resources and th wants of ihe na Vpn, is essetial toNts weM helg, iiTi-i 'Us and ttost important pmnts of view, bo h: s rt-.pccts ttVreputation abroad 'and its safety , hajiplnlesa and prosperity athoirie; , ''War, it is very clear.1 cannot be carried" en withou'trranev. iWUf-w : thi coumrvejivxritbi r revenue Itom b S commerce f a rey6ny too. which was '(collected Vitnout diincalty fcntf paid without bt ing felt. ' If '-if?Mfit admiEistra tion be not hus' ils Io com iperci in principle, whith there is' too? mfeh rej- wtlch them ; how impossi1)-.- it js to m ti'.tain, wih a lurge lljtt, the unuiterriip ed block"ide ol , any port, esprcially those lr.-m t.ie mwhs ot which every strong eastern wind mm blow n way Uhe blockading squadron ; and how easily Bona parte formerly transported an army ol 40 000 men rom Toulon to bgypU n sp:te. of all the exer tion of Nelson to intercept him 1 um, t;ent!cm; n, W ith m . tr rtrgrd, , Y.ui Iticiid, & most ob't serv't. ROBERT G. H ARPER. done,' the prompt and blind ohedience p dd by eve ry French subject, wherever he m?.y be, to the orders ,pf his g jvernmenl. 1 he practicability, not to say the tc:lity, of transponing a French arnjy ' our shores, will readily be acknvvledged, when it is recollected lir.U rvfrAn Ti'v.mnl it . n m. lit 1 . . . w . . knli.t ftf troops, ha'f? e'ude'd the Bti'ish fl-fts appointed to . ... . . ' . , , . . , , ., , . On the Alston 't Mr. lirttont to fixoced bynj -t-.t in the resolution. of the gentlemaa from Mokes rVj (Mr. Wilson) was called for, the bouse refusedi'f? he3rft. Now was a member, to -be precluded froirs J expressing his sentiments upon any proposition IWipT: might bring forward I Certainly not. And-fetL if it was not in order to go into the merits of the' q.es'ion upon the motion for postponement, such would be the eflcct ot the vote the house had given.' ' Mtv Carneron wrs proceeding, when1 v - ; Mr. S'W enquired of the chair, whether o?t a simpIerq.tiestjQn of postponement it were irr-orde?-to go Vnto the cencral meritt of a propositiou f - If 1 so, debate might be rendered infiniiti ' Mr. '.Hji&ier gave it as the opinion of the chsir, that dbte on the ffneititr woolttvot be in erftK Legiislaiure oLNorth-Carolina. b.ilhto do h lOHsem'f t j chootie titclors irchidsni and vice u esidew. . T TKUilSDAV, NCYEMSSa 19. ELLCTORAL LAW'.r - Mr. Duncan Cameron called up the resolution submitted bv him on 'lucsday, to wit Mr Steele (of Salisbury) then enquired, vh-n sjicli debate would be in order ? 'f a member could not, at some period, express his seniimenis on any motion brought forward, the rules of the house were very defective. If the sacred right of free dom of speech, of fair debate, so'essenlidl to the Jpieservftion of liberty, could be evaded or tram. pled under loot it they could not be exercised at all tittus, 'the rule's of the hojse required imme diate amendment. Every citizen in the cf.-mrnu nity had an undoubted right to be heard on the floor, of the house by his rtpresfiuative. If ih merits of the qnestion could not be debated now, he would be thankful to be informed by the chair vibe n they could be gone into ? The Speaker observed, that debate . would be in order on ilu q iestion of adopting the resolution Mr..'5fe eaid if .the general question couhj then be discussed he was satisfied. yp- Mr. Stone would be sorry, he observed, that any ' Jieiolved, That it tis expedient to repeal the existing law prescribing the mode of choosing question of order should be prcmaturtly decided ' Th horrors of this alliance, which we consi dertd as a- necessary convequence of the war, if! electors to vote for a president and vice-piesidentnbeloieit actually occurred. Ihe present was only' a simple question or . postponement, and not it neral question on the resolution befdre the house-.' continued, need not he represented to those who' 6f the United States and to provide -by law for have attended to the effects of French fraud, vio choosing such electos, by laying out the stale in lence "and ambition, in every country where" to such number of clistricts, as the state -is entitled Fr:nch erms or counsels have bcea introduced, ; to electors, underthe last ceiism and appoiiion- tspecially within the last ten years. 1 her? is another evil, more hornb.e even than ment of representatives by congress, Mr Wilson thoved to postpone the reoluMon this, and equally to be apprehended, as we Leliev. . for the purpose of taking up llie one on tbe same ed from the continuance of this war. .s subject offcrd by himself, fur proceeding to mor- The pressure of the war, great everywhere, is row morning to choose electors by joint ballot particulatly severe in the Eastern Stalls. Their ! The latter motion was decided to be out of or subsisience d'-pends.in a great measure, "flnd their der. " ...... . wealth almost entirely, on maritime industry A : The question on taking up Mr.. Cjoieron's rnor great portion of their property consists in sbipsj lion was tiien decided by ye a and nays, and. lost. A 'great portion of their people ares5ors or ush-'eas 64,..nays 65 ermen. 1 he most populous part ol their territo ry lies on the-sea coast. The largest of their tOwMjrVhe reposTtoriesHheieaWiaFe-witl reach of th? gans Of hoiiile fleets. The f uin and despair '. whh mu,t kbe produced among uch a people, bf the long continuance ot such a war as ivit ate Tiftw pnc-sicvf'd in. i-nav ea&ilv be oerceived. ton to believe, it Is certain that their tfu t&t: P?1 ha, lenrfed strong to iis ruin, be wholly unnecessary ;. believing that it proceed which the preient war has completty acconiplish !cd from passion, prejudice and erroneous political ed.; It is equally ceitairi, that white the war con- j speculations, if not from worse causes ; they must wnires commerce eanhot revive, onrt thJ r... ...tt .-j. '':o .... and lose by insensible but rapid degrees, their at. tachment to the governmen', which. they must fine frcm it can be expected. But :monw 'm.Ki be had. If, thertfore, the war continues, recourse lor ob-Bining the necessary supplies! ut be had to most burdensome taxes ; rendered tenfold more oppressive by the loss bf tent for our produce, and the cbnseqnimppverVslitnent1 of "the country ; .?r t. tu5 still rrioie disastrous aqd destructive x pedientE of paper moneyV forced loatis, involuntary Tcontnbutionsj confiscations, and national bank ruptcyr - v.-, r ',: .. , V .j . . , . . We ,haves eve regarded a maritime defenc jommensurate with the resources; 'of the nation, as essenti to its prosperity f honor ij and , safety, if not to .the permanent existence r of 'a free govern. tiiett.' Naval' rjower i-Titot 'onl tKaVheatauid iA -ercterJof ourpeople, :to bur geographical and will regard fls the author of such evils. I hey must soon begin' to consider' the union of the states as' the ' prime cause ol their tuiflcrings. Their attachment to it must diminish, and soon be extinguished ; and this bond which has hither to held us together, being once broken, they will soon relieve themselves from a bu tden which they will consider as no longeYtblerable, by erecting a sper ate go vernmentf orthemsrlvesrand-takingi he care of their own interests and sufety into their own bands. ;:. ''':: y,:.---.'';. .i.' .-,.-'" The house then took up Mr. Wilson's motion, in thef following words : '; . '"-' f?ot'yfi'r4jy-4he senate and house ot com- m'ons Aft North Caroline, that they proceed on to morrovv morning, at the meeting of the two hons es, to eppoint-by joint ballot, fifteen electors, to vote lor president; and vice-president ot the united States, agreeably to the piovisions of the act of assembly passed in 1811 " 77 - Mr. Duncan Cameron then moved to amend the resolution, by striking put the whp'e thereof ex cept the word ' resolved," f r ihe purpose of in serting the words, That it is expedient to repeal the existing law for electi,ng 'electors, by a tQini ballot of both houses of the General Assembly to vbie for president atid vice president of the1 Cv S and to provide by law for laying out. the state in to districts to choose fifteen elecors ; such elec tors for theensuing tlection to. be elected, by the memiieri of this, general assembly, representing the counties composing such districts ; 'and hereaf ter , by the-freemen of this state in their respective districts. The question-M postponement was now taken, and lott, withua division. . ; -.'' Mr Stone, being Recorded, called ffor 'the ycfea and nays on the main question.7 - ; Mr- Steele then ovtel to amend theresolutjon.by striking out the whole thereof except the ,voil iii-' . A question was hers-upon raised by Mr. Stbne, whether it was in order U offer a resolution; "the solved, and inserting, That the present cert-i-al u ..V..... r , uaciiiiiir jcw liic auc ui ine last general ssst.ro bly, vesting the power .of -eppointin ibe elr-ctors of president and vice president of the Uniied States in the present legislature; unconstitutional, and an infringement upon the flective franchise of the f ee people of the state ,?,N. Caiolinn." Mr. murjiee called fov a division of the tioestion trikiuutiul4n4;i Urig f-which as agreed to. . ,-. , Some conversation '.'neb took place as to the pwprtety of deb iting (he general q.uestlbn7x,n"t!e motion to strike out. 1 :T , -. The Chair decided that the general q'Jtstiori was open for kbate. - , ' ... Mr. STFLLE. On the present motion, Mr. Speaker, should consider myself as perfectly m order iii exprtssingi roy opinions upon the whole question before the, hfcue, J So much, liovtt, .jas-been raid,, on. the various forms in-which the electoral law cf last session has been tiisrused, re lative to the impropriety end .'inexpediency of the measure, that I bhall confine my remarks Mildly to the most important pspect in which it is to'ljc viewed its urtcons'itutionBiity. This I irnst I shall be able f illustrate-by ihe most ilresisfib'e- - - a, conclusions and convincing t ;stimpny.'. j mih tin.- dertake to, make it appear tliathe act passed by. ihestr-A.sse ni bly not -nl yTwolateoL-OHatitii - lion, but was hostile to .iheyery spiiiT-ar'i -genius " , of. that freedom which the sacred iiistrutriei.t us ' intended to itecute. '!""." In forming an opinion on all constitutional q"es ; j ri-nCC lH!-ltrl-tt . Thus, the dissolution of tli4Junion, and, all the jsameirtsubstancf, as be:ontended,- with one direfiTevfls attendant upon Jit, must,' aswe be.- which the. housVnad int refused .to take up? lieVedrbertbeasrniiece ffenius 01 our government.' DulconiifitJincr Ihe nresent war. If the union should Itended that the nrorosp(! amenHoient waa viiellv firsr iirir.r .inb f)ue nf these I hold to he'- h"ai r bjf Which our commence; aad' not actually be dissolved, still that-senttmenCofi in order. The object'of'tt- tjraslo havea"' fairiex-1 thfireeaaen of the Onited State bate: rli.'lo J tt-i.j'; ll'lill,jani,j .1'
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