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The etiments U exeited in both Ilowser were purely natUaal, and . al . piost unanimous. . v " - To the Senate and House oj ' '4 -Reprenentativts of the United Stated , 1 lay before Congress ednnnunicalionsjiist re ceived from the Pltioipotentiaries of the United - Btatei.-ehareced - with neeotialinz petce with flreat Britain j she ing the conditions on -tvhioh alone ihat gdVernmeut ia willing to put aa'Bd ilit war.: ' ' . ' The instructions to those plenipotenliariei, disclosing the grounds, on'whieh they were a tkoriaed to negoeiaie and conclude a treaty of peace, wilkba the snbjeot of another comrauni atiob. '.: ..-. r- ; , i . . JAMES MADISON. fTashineton October 10, 181. DOCUMENTS. Copy of a letter from Messrs. Adams', Batan, ierstaod that Uiey were not anxious 'that it should be diseaed and that they dnly Intend ed to jive d notiee that these privileges had eeased to etiit, and would not be again granted without an equivalent, r nor unlesa we Ihsueht proper to provide expressly in the treaty of ea.ee lor ineir renewal. , The , British Commissioners having stated, iai tuese were a the'iobjects which they in tended to bring forward or to suggest, requested to be informed, whether we were instructed to enter into 'negociatiou on these several points, and whether .there was anv amonest these which we thpnght it unnecessary to bring into the negociation ? and they, desired tfs to state on our part, such other subjects as ;we might intend to propose for discussion in the course of the neeociation. The meeting waa then ad journed to the next day; in order to afford us the opportunity of eonsaltatioQ among ourselves befor we gave an answer In the course of the evening of the same day, we received youf letters of the 20th and 27th of June.. . v. ,. t.,-. , . T.here could be no hesitation, on our party tant difference between the treaties wc might make with Indians, living in oar territory, and such a treaty a was proposed (o be made.resi fieetlngf them,' with a foreign power who had so emnly acknowledsed "the lerritdrv on - which they resided to be part of the United States. : we were then asked by the British Commis sioners Whether, In ease they should enter fur ther upon the discussion of .the several points which had been stated, we could expect that it would terminate by some provisional arranee- mem on me points on wnicn we oaono insiruc tions, particularly on that renpeotinar' the Iadi ajis, whieh arrangement would be subject to ih ratification ef our rovernnient? : We answ ered that, before the Subjects were distinctly understood, and the obi eels in view more precisely disclosed, we coo Id not decide whether it wonldbe possible to form any satis factory article on the subject.) nor pledge our-! selves as to the exercise of a discretion under I oar powers, even with respect to a provisional arreemelBt. We added, that as we should deep ly depWro a rapture of the negociation on any point, it was oursanxioos, .desire to employ .all in informing the British Commissioners, that possible means to avert an event- so serious h We were not instructed on the subject of Indi- its consequences; and that we had not been an pacification or boundary, und of fisheries, hvithout hopes that a discussion might correct Nor did it Seem, probable, although neither of uhe effect of any erroneocs iufornution which these points had been stated with sufficient tho British, government might have" received precision in that first verbal conference, that on the subject, which they had proposed as a they could be admitted in any shape. Wo did preliminary basis. hot wish, however, to prejudge the result, or by We took this opportunity to remark, that no any nasty proceeding abruptly to break on the nation observed a policy more liberal and hu- ueeoeiauon. subject of the tiencngtnaJiy drawn , np on nan part fdrtho'.' v pnrpose , af makingr known to yon the passages ' to whieh;the- Britjsh. Commissioners ebjeete4; Theqr bjectiodaineef the passages was, f-. thaUhey appearea to te argumetaUvt a&a that the obieetef the proteeel Was te conain (i mere statejieatof fatts; Thev.,hawtr akii V:' jeeted o the insertion of the answer whieh the? 5u wr Huexn respecting the, effect . of the, proposed Indian' boundary j bol they a- 4 greed to an alteration of their arlrinal otdftosi- tocol. They also objecUd to the ihsertionof the fact, that they had proposed to adjourn the. conferences, until they eosld obtain further in structions from their government. The jetum of their messenger , mnyperhapt, disclose the motive oftheir relustanea in-that respeet. - i We have the honor te be, very lespeelfully, sir, your hnnibCTand obedient servants. JOHN. QUINCY ADAMS, .A.BAYARD, II. CLAVt . v .f. ' ' : i.JJrA. RUSSELL. - " ' t . . , ; ' Avfetit stit, isU. The British and American' Commissioners havinc met- thir fall powers Were renmtWphr produced, which were fonnd tttisfactory, and) eepies thereof w$rt exchanged, j ne untisn commissioners, slated the fsN Mia,,,, .ho B4hk got ,he U. S.MeMb., , objee, h.d bL, W A A S, rSSJ2S2'2 Ghent, 12.h August, 1814. nionzst them that their" possessions were se- selves and the American Commissioners, wboM ba likely to turn. .v .- - ions might remove : UA it appeared, at all cared to them by well defined boundaries : that k.-li 1" -'kL . 1Z. VVL ul P!" ,ro AV ti.t tkt linnni tn infarm vnn thnt p.vnnts. imnnrtnnf. to n.-irl iti . il'mtiiictlv the thiir nersana. Innda Anil nthpr nrnnprtv wptA ' 8 ana ltt :. . . rii: 7. :::7" : . "... :-'L::r r " .::ri.:f: v eonneeuonwithtttheru the JiritlSD UommiSSloners,' JUOra uamoier, previse, luieuiious oi vjr: c;r uruniu uu uuiu i uow more eueeiuiiuy proiecieu aguinsi violence Clay and Russell, to Mr. Monroe. Secretary J1 reeeiyed erroneous impressions from the practicable means, to introduce civilization a of State, dated Indiaii traders in Canada, which our represen- tati ightofthe kins-of Greaf Henry Coulburn, Esquire, artd William Adams, 'points. We, therefore, thought it advisable to jor frauds Irons Eqiire, arrived in this city on Saturday even-' invite the British Commissioners to a general under any form no. tha sixth instant The dav after their ar- conversation on ail the points; stating to them i citizens were "37 ----- - -. - ... .;. . j . ., .. ' -i- i rirah Mr, Baker, their Hecretarv, called upon at uie same time, onr want ot, msirucuons on dav. The nlace having been agreea upon, we accordingly met,, at one o'clock, on Monday, . .. . .. . . .... . biwi ui uicui iiriwiu, ud inaiim daiiiaim uanas ; mat wnen mey cave up tneir utie toa- . i. V"r"' uitogjveus.notic'eofthefact, and to propose Jtwo of them, and holding out no expectation of ny portion of their country to the tJ. Stales, i a pelmanenttiar7rier oetween "Jle domiison of a meeting, at a certain hour, on the ensuing the probability of our agreeing to any article was by voluntary treaty with our government, G kt Brita;tt mnA th ij-:,,! imf' " a w u a-.It a,J rangenM"nt Bn thissubjeet tor hi a sine onagri the eishth inst. We enclose, herewith", a copy of the full powers exhibited by the British Commissioners at that conference $ whi .h was opened on their par'V by an expression of the sincere and earnest desire of their government, that the negociation might result in al "solid peace, honoralfTe to both parties. They, at the same time declared, that la events: whicnrn ad ocsiirred since the" first proposal for this negociation, had altered the nacific disposition of their gorernment. or va ried it 'views as' (otthe tenns upon whieh it Indian pacification, and boundary, and fid of was willing to conclude, the peace. nsnenes, were not embraced by our instructions. - WnweMLihat we Jieard these deelara- ' We nbserred, that as these points had not tions with great satisfaction, and tnaf our gov-; he -heretofore the grounds of any controversy einment had acceded to the proposal of nero-'between the government of Great Britain and iation, with tho most sincere desire-to put. an that of the United States, and had not been al respecting (heni At our .meeting on the ensnmg day we inform- j that through these means the C. ptates had ed the British commissioners, that upon the first succeeded in preservinc, since the treaty of and third points proposed bv them we were pro- Greenville of 1795, an uninterrupted peace of vided with instructions, aud we presented as ,16 years, with all the Indian tribes ; a period of further subjects considered by our government as suitable for discussion 1st. A definition of blockade; and as far as might be mutually agreed of other neutral and belligerent rights. . 2d. Claims of indemnity in certain cases of capture and seizure. We then stated that the two subjects, 1st of f, tad to the differences wh,ich divided the two countries, and to lay upon just and liberal grounds the foundation ot a peace which, secur na the rights and, interests of both nations, SJlOUia unil ineiu uy lasiiug uuuu o niunj, .The British Commissioners then stated the following sobjects, as those upon which it ap- reared to them that the discussions would be ikoly to turn, ttnd on which they were' instruc fed. j ; ; ' . i. The forcible soizufeof mariners on board f merchant vessels, and in connection with it, the claim of his Britannic Majesty to tho alle giance of all the native subjects of Great Bri tain. Vr' -C,) y,,'-t " ,, -,. We understood, them to intimate, that the British 1 government did not propose this point of discussing f but that, as it had occupied so prominent a place in the disputes between the two countries, it neoessanly attracted notice and was consinerea as, a sunjeci wnicn wouiu come under discussion. ' i. 2. The Indian allies of Great Britain to he included in the pacification, and a definite boundary to be settled for their territory. The British,E Commissioners stated, that an 'arrangement,, jujjbn this point Was a sine, qua non $ that they were not 'authorized to conclude a treaty of peace which did not embrace the Indians, as allies of His Britannie'Majesiy and that the establishment of si definite boun dary of the Indian, territory was necessary to seeare a permanent peace, not only with the In dians, but also between the United States and Great Bi ityn.V- 'lt . - j 4 3. A revision ,of tbe boundiry line between the United States and the adjacent' British co- lOniCS. .. -. ; '. . ' - - j With respect to this, point, they expressly! disclaimed any intention, on the part of their : : ru.t and represented the proposed revision, as in tended merely for the purpose of preventing un ecrtainty aa4, dispute. . .., . v! . After having stated these three points, as subjects of discussion, the British Commission ers added, thai before they desired any answer from ns, they felt it incumbent upon them to . . i a ....'.!' t. j:j uoeiare, mai me uriusn guvcrumm. uiu hi deny the right of the Americans to the fisheries generally, or in the open seas j but that the pri vileges, formerly granted by treaty to the Uni ted States, of fishipg within the imits of the British jurisdiction, and of landing and drying fish on the shores of; the "British territories, would not be renewed without an equivalent. . The extent of what was considered by them as waters peculiarly British, was not stateuj From the manner in which they brought this! tranquility much longer than they were known to have enjoyed heretofore. It was then expressly stated on our part, that the proposition respecting the Indians, was not distinctly understood. We asked whether the uaeitication. and the settlement of a bound arv r . - . -F made a sine qua non f t of a treaty of peace. 4 ; Z. A revision of the baimdary line betweci the British and American territories witii tht view to prevent future uncertainty and dispute! The British Commissioners requested inforj mation whether the American- Comnissiouert were instructed! to enter into negociation on th above points f But before; they desiredany an swer, they felt it right to communicate the ia tentions oftheir eovernnient as to the North A Which was ausweredin the afrmative.Tbeji",; " r.- . ., . . n-.-u rirz.:. I ernment did not intend to giant to the United question was then asked the British Connms-' Bi . . . .. ., - ., . r , K K . .. . . , . J i states. s-ratuitnusiT. the nnvilrmr FnVmrirl i sinners, whether the proposea inaian uounqa-i A v 'it " . ... . ry was intended to preclude the U. States frjtoiO. VA n V . . ' V BIUS - tL right of purchasing by ' tnuKl1 "f,' dian. ,5with Ji the consent of G. ilritain,4and, j "f" !&&l?&VtW lying beyond that boundary ? And an a restricf. 0n,leete? SfeTt' 1- - tion upon the Indians from selling by amicable - r vI?I-;rY,,; " .ri.-j.t.-.i..i! ai... ..1.5 k. The meetine being adjourned t tht h of luded to by lord Ca9tlereagh, in.his letter pro- nn ji lira tlka nik tuai it AkisU not ka atnuatarl that they should have been anticipated and therto practised ? , i August, the Commissioner, inct agau o thaj IIIUUC UlC SUUIttl UI IU1IIULIIUII9 HI VUI tUClIIl IV 11119 UUCHUVIl IV TTUV AIDV UU31TIII.U MI VUCT A sfl A A. ' ment; that it was natural to be supposed, that Uf the Commissioners, Jhat the Indians would!. 1 Am?M!n ",1 our instructions were confined to those subjects not be restricted from selling their lands, buti"' 8tatd' n tMntmmmti upon which differences between the two cuuu- -hat tl.e U. States Mould be restricted from ' ProP08ed bV jhe BnUsh UommMSionevs, they tries were known to exist j audthatthe propo- purchasing theni ; and on reflection another of were Prov,ded nruetion Wtheirgov sition to define, in a treaty betw-en the United the Commissioners' stated, that it was intended fjnment. nd that the second and fourth of States ami Great Britain, the boundary of the that the Indian territorios should be a barrier these points f. provided for in their in Indian possessions within our territories, xvas between the British dominions and those of the ruon8-, -I hat ifl i re latisn te an Indian paci new and without example. No such provision j United States ; that both G. Britain and the "Te ,J tT l"B had been inserted in the treaty of peace in 1783, j United. States should be restricted from pur nor in any other Jreaty between the two coun tries. No such provision had, to our knowledge, ever been inserted in any treaty made by Great Britain or ''any. other European power in rela tion to the same description of people, existing 1 t-1 a At'.. 1 . -f United States had appointed Commissioners to ''". VOl. ..U... UU.- , ' . ... C.-. j. Jil.ll.. sell them to a third party. jnot improjirtlothaeace had been made with The proposition respecting Indian -boundary j 'f''f'-'"''''g-r''''.v.. ' thu. oxiilaiiied. and connpcted with the risrht of u vmniiS?i.iren . pres.niea as . ... - . ' a ii ri ii ar on iiifi asenbed to thelndians over the :.." ; sovereignty eets considered by the government nndfl TilrA .-irenmHta .res. We would sav i e.m.m rv. amounted to nothin less than a de-lw w,e y miett". wiaVaa suuaoio ur OiSCUfSlon, however, that it would not be doubted, 'that imand of the absolute cession of the rights both i; A defiuilionof blockade, and as far as peace with the Indmns would certainly follow i of sovereignty and of soil. We cannot abstain be agrecd,ort a peace with Great Britain : that we had in- ! from remarking to you, that the subject (of In-, eD ri . . i j u j j L formation that Commissioners had already been' dian boundary) was indistinctlv statedwhen ! . 2' Certain claims of indemnity to iBdividaalt -.-, ..V , - warv : further stated there were various appointed to treat with them ; that a treaty to j first 'proposed, andlliat the explanations were IorcaPlures that effect might, perhaps, have been already 'at "first obscure, and always given with reluc-;ue 'o lBC cwiiciuucu , tiuu ilia i.i in- vhhcu uiaica urig ittiivf. iim 11 nos nrcjaicu iiuiii nit mai iiiu- , . 'k" t.l ' . t J no interest, nor any motive, to continue a sepa-fluent, to bt a sine'-qua nony rendering any dia.iihcr pomtto which their instructions extenoV rate war against the Indians, there could never cnssio,n unprofita.bJe unliL.it was admitted as a ! ?' wh.,ch m!5ht W'th-propnety be object! i of , be a moment when our government would not be j basis. Knowing that we had no power to cede SGUSStoi, tlthCT in the liegociatiOH of the disposed to make peace with them. vve men expresseu our wisn io receive irom the British Commissioners a statement of the to the Indians any part of our territory w e Pcace, . or i that oi a rjeaiy or commercQ thought it unnecessary to ask, what probably 1 which in the case of si propitioartermmatio Would not have been answered till the principle views and objects of Great Britain upon all the ! was admitted, where the line, of demarcation of points, and our willingness to discuss them all, ! the Indian country was proposed to be establish- in order that, even it no arrangement should be led r , . . v ,. ' i be llnfish commissioners, alter havine re- i . -i - '- . '- of the present conferences thev were Kkewted authorised, to conclude. That for the purpotd of ; facilitating the fi'rtt and most essential ob ject of peace, they had discarde'd every sub ject which ) was not considered as peculiarly' agreed on,; upon, the' points "not included in our The B instructions, the government of the United peatcd that their instructions on the subject of mnnprtprt wittt that and hrrxentetT onlv thmn States might be possessed-of the, entire'' and;tl,e Imlians were peremptory; stated that "nleMjpoiutehich appeared to be iram precise intentions of that of Great Britain, res- wt could give some assurance, that our Pwer vantto-tliis neeociation peeling these pointsrand that the British gov- would allow us to make at least a provisional ( .rrW i oSv.u ernment might bes fully informed of the objec tions, on the part of the United Mates, to any such arrangement. In answer to -our remark that these points had not been alluded, .to by Lord Castlereagh in his letter, proposing the negociation, it .was said, that it could not be expected, that, in a letter" merely intended to invite a negociation, he should " enumerate the tonics of discussion or;, state the pretentions ot . hi government ; since, these would depend upon ulterior events and might arise out of a subsequeut state of things. -, '". '- ' V ".;';'' , In reply "to our observation, -4 hat the propos- out example in the practice of European nations it was asserted, that the Indians must iu some sort be considered as an independent people, siuce treaties were made with them, both by Great Britain and by the United States : upon subject into Viewj Uiey seenled'to wish us to un- which we pointed out the ;obyious jand impor- arranirtnnefit on tbe subiect. anv further discus- ; f.T sion vnld be fruitless and that they must eon-rinnli to receive s fro rthe ritisii Uomniis. ;i ... - -k -i' ,tf v fiinvipra a stntpWiPwf nf tnn view ana suit their own government, on this state of things. They proposed accordingly a suspen sion of the1 conferences until; they should have received an answer, it being understood that each party might call aoneeting whenever they had any proposition to submit.';- They despatch ed a special messenger the; same evefting, and we arc now wailing for th& result. Before the proposed adjournment took, place, it was agreed, that there should lie a protocol of the conferences; that a statement should for that purpose he drawn up by each party, and ed stipulation of an Indian boundary wus with-What we should meet the next day to eoropare' tbe statements. We accordingly met again on Wednesday the 10th instant, andultimately a- greed ' upon what should constitute the protocol of the conferences. A copy ofthis instrument, we have the honor to transmit with this des patch j and we also enclose a copy of the stater s of Great Britain, upoit a the points, and theit willingness to dmcuss thejn all. v : they, the AmerTc-nt Com'niissionerj wert asked, whether, if tliose of .Okat Britain should enter further' upon this, aiscoasion1, paj: ticularl respecting the Indian boundary, te' American Commissioners jconld expect ttiafi it would terminate by some provisional ar rangement, . which they could conclude, tub-, ject to the ratification erf their government I. They answered, ;that a any arrangetnent to which they could " agree upon the subject -must be" wlthdut specifio Authority; from their ! - government, it was not possible, for them, prf-' vious "to discussion, to dtcidft .whether any ar tide on the Subject could be lrmed whicK ' ; ; would ibe mutually fiatiFfp.ctoryi and whlclu" ' , 4 i: ... j . . . . .- " ' ' . ' ' 'jf ' ' ' " ' ' ' 7 '".