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-I'M jr , ::. ' . . ' " FuiDAY, JULY. 48i9. , : v, ; " ':s . w. a: , , -l, 1 " " 1 : " . ' "' "'- ' 1 ", ' ' IManagrtaf,rr',ii5 - ,m tinuutice wnno'H payment J0;vment of at least gl 50in(Hn, amino inuahee without payment of arrears, ules optKno! the editor ami no discon at tlx Forcii'n. HOUSE OF LORDS, MAYil. AftBUTHNOT AKD AMBRTStBR, AKDCfiSSXON . ' Of THE FLOlilDAS. v 11ALEI0H,(N.C.) ' nnf kTKD BY SAKTBT AWX) CABSOf EDITED bt a. LU0A8. I jVlarquii ftf Lanndowne isid, K now TM , , rhioe dollars per year, mnin, l.j Atm flr -. i: - nr to be MntiiHwdlon- KKh nSi after' .'ye.r;. sb,criPtion be. due, and notir thereof .hall have been R.Ten. jSi not exceeds U J-ne.. are inaertcd 'SriSConV .lolUr; for trn,y-RTe cents each m,b-i ! - Ut mtin" 'n ,'ke Proportion where 1-ere tft greater M..mler of line than fourteen. The cash t accompany tli? from persons unknown to the ed in pursuance of the notice he had given to more for certain eommanieations mpeetiBg me eo trr of the American troops iotor the Fioridaf the execution" af two British itbjeeti bj order of the commander of t thoiie troops, aud . the gubapqtient cession of the provinee in question to the United SttiteS. After the auraaoe which 1fd ben triveJi on the firnt ly of the both tojbe execated, in direet oppoMtind tff he law of bit own country. '., , ' -e' It'fai necpssarj to mark inch a condutt aS this br a public declaration of abhorrence. .In urder te jrrerent its being ever acted npon a preeeoeai .that :t migbt never be Held oat far dreaaral example of imitation. INotwttb siandintftbie-eondiiet. and the eireumstae of u m& - .. Ji Amettaan Government not having noticed : I. a.J..it-x- - j n4 no vw i no u-ii wianes invrarasinivi govern merit : ha hoped they would long live in peace and harmony with this country : that they would spread innumerable blesiWs ovef the eesjinii byihe Noble T2arl opposite, that everyi worJ. ihn they would be t he depositories ol KORFOLK. JUNE 23. , rp .Ve are indebted to Mr. L.yfoh Keep r oTtlie Sieam Boal Ifotel Knadin; Huoid. U the loan of -the New-Yoi k CommerciRl Adver- pondent in that city,, per the tahner Ranger., tapt. Iront, from which we copy the following LATE AND INTERESTIVR X rilL L I O BN C E FUOM ENGL ND. SEW-TORK. JUNE 19. LTE FROMENtiLANU. , Th- ship Canton, Captain Knders , arrival lat evening in 33 fUjsfrom' Iitverpool. By thi arrival we have received from our Corres- Jon. London nnners to the lStb of May, Invd and (Senerat hippini? aud Commercial LiiUtolHe It. JSTew lM-e Current to the illh and Liverpool papers to the 15th inclusive American Stocks, on the 8th of May, three parent, 21-2; new sis pr eent, or a 99 1.2 United Stales bank shares, l2i a 23. Br tish Stocks on the l3th-hree per cen ti..i f a t- a.i three ner cent, consolu 71- . fnr rfn. M 1-2: consols for arennt 71- -8. 'French Funds on the 9th of Mny, five per eonls, 66f. 23c B-ank Stock 15001. Tl.7 Hee.ior. Cant. Oillender; from this port ...;,! u l.ivprnoal in IS dat. Bhe wns off fnrk in 44 dttvs from the time he left tn "Hi-hland. W e have seen a letter from Lirer- I ,;nh im thia town is in an unroar, bv the arrival of the Hector; she has breast answers to letters r nai wtrcKiiumtuj ""u ton Boston, ifhieh vessel ha been abseal ,on y 29 days." In the House of Lords, on fhe i 1th of May, there was an interesting debate, on the motion offered by the Marquis of Lanidowne, for in forinatian respecting the cession of tbe FJori das and the execution of' A H nth not and Am-. -Vriwr. i A ttot f this debate our reaer wilt find in a ibseqent eofwinn. The KOitrr of the ' British blatesmanf' in noticing lbs', part of the debate hich relate to Arhulhnol d"A'mbrister,sayi;" With rc'peel to the ex ecution of our unfortunate rountrynun, no a tislaction will now, it i plain, be ever recejved. Our own Ministers hav Jierome the deftetoder of Gen. Jackson. They abuse, the cruelty, hut eontend. thatns faraswrfare concerned lie had the rihl of acting as he ha dene. If he ha, inned, it is onjy agiinst his own gnvernment. Wilh such principles we shall not long rlfu. tha proud emiuence which has bei n so o.udiy on,l which we have 'purchased with so inaiiv saeri&ces. The disnity ol'our character is gone, and insults will uo fail to he Jaj isbed on t! oso who bear them with impunity.. At Stockholm, three large commereiafjiouse have suspended payment. . : f Anril the extensive hne ot Ptiiili.nt Luheck, failed, and nh 2ath t!iat ' of M. G. IT. Print?, J'in. ol llamburglv, l tic latter for the ftun ol'a37, KO marks baneo. AmmhiIi frnm Pinnsol of Mbv 5. sav, " the - tlu-j proposed to tfo l(iid mi.C ffte, exeiten grout necessary explanation should he 'iven respect ng the execution of .Msr Arheristerand Ar on th not. it would not he net'es'iiry fur him now to say inue!) m tli'it snoject. Tlie Noble Earl had not since tlu'ii given' any explanation, an ! it was fit that his silenee hinlJ not be miseo;i every thing that was noble & estimable in life, & that instead of sanctioning acts of injustice, they g on improving and eorreeting the bar barous customs that prevailed' in the world. But with respect to the act in question, he should leave it to tlibir Lordships to determiae -'.hut mitfinent was ta be nronnuneed sinnn it. liamentlttjicquiesce in the ne.v and .dangerous j tiat our government would be fuund interpretation tnt.w.w given to the Uvv of na- , nurjrJ with that detestation whieh it merit troed to a disp-nition on the pnrt of the Pa' !. He ioM now have dime w7i4 this purt of the subject and eome to Another, which wi of the utmost imporlance He meant the at by which the Government of $ptin had ceded the Florid is to the United States. He declar ed it a Ins opinion, that of all the events that eould lieppen at this time, thare wits not one which so deeply affected the commercial inter ests of Great Britain as the cession in question He hop"d we would loner continue to live in a ,i;is. or to tin- new ,;tt4 fcAN;rHJ prae.tco -artist the aw f nUoos whiehdiad Iat,fy been Tesfrrted In. and ivlifeh was' detrimental to all the principles of justice. He would not at tempt impute any such disposition to the G vernmnt of the United Sfstes ; and h? owned it to the character of the able anddistjDguish ed Statesman who held the first ollice in that Government, to express a firm belief that nei ther he nor the other branches of the American Government 'wonld have engaged in, or sauc-j gtate 0f peace with the United States ; but as tinned a trfnuction which was inconsistent ,nnm nf their lordship's eould tell how longthat with the laws of nations, and with every p.in-1 pace W(MJ(j a$t,orh15'w soon a war might eiple of justice and humanity. It was, there- h!,li:n k,-,!, out between ns and that nation : fore,inUbp hope that proper steps would he ta-: gjjoiild it unfortunately happen, the possession ken bylHir (internment to get at all the -ifnr- or the ForiJas by the United States, would uiauonjnai c.iuiu ue onimuru on iiofi ,v ' place the whole or our West India trad at the that he now brought it un.'er the consideration mer.y 0f tbe Americans. They would thus of Ministers. The facts of this ease were brief-, have possession of many commodious ports, ly these. . Several tribes of Seminole Indians,! an, W0lljd be enabled to send out eoumany arm residing ott the borders of Florida, had made ctuizfty thnt not one of our merchant ves hostile incursions into the territiry of the U. fie, pgir,,. jnio orout 0f th--- Gulf of Florida. Statea, In-consequence ol which the Amen- B,,M pc tie them. The A m'erienns wnil can General carried on the war against Ihem into Florida, and thusinvaded the territory of the ICing of Spain, on pfelence and under an alledged apprehension that the Indians were a bout to make themselves wasters of that pro viace. As to the propriety of Gen. Jackson's entertaining this province in a hostile manner. he should not now enter into a discussion on that point, on which it was the business of the Spanish Government to detrr.n'ne. But ft was o the cir( unint inces which followed th6inilitary occupation thai he wisliud to cull the., attention of the House. Whenever an act of violence and jotrage was committed by a military coranian- eotild escape them. The Am'ericans would thus he able to annihilate the whole of our trade in that part of the world, & give au inllu- nco to black governments in the W Indies, th might be destructive of our interests there On all these grounds, it was greatly to be la mirnted. that every possible means had not been taken to pcevenl such a cession as this takint; pla?e. When the peace of Utreeeh was made, the British negotiators felt bow important it was Id prevent suclfa cessions as this ; and it was accordingly provided iu that treaty thai Spain was not to give up to any power, any portion of ber territories in America. But) af though long negotiations for the aeeurity of the jfsessig tlo territory in which this act waj dhe, that had ft rieht to eamnlkin at it rl ici jimcru iu ain muuuu, u hiiouiv uever (iinerent countries ol me world naa oeen er ie extended beyond the necessity of the cnse.jried on at Virnna.no one eon'ceivrd it neee iCsa the time when Copenban was taken by Mntv to make any provision thnt "aliould have commanded thei, Wnd rh7t s'evlral fer'son trifefe1itlK autiioritv. that the treaty ot Utreecht should belonging to neutral countries had been engajeil in the defence of the place, and ordered tliem to be executed, on the pretence that they had no right to take up arms agaiust Great Britain, would not that act have been a gross violation of the Tav. .of nations r When the American Gens Jatksin came into the Morula, lie there found two British subject, who had been as- sistius the Indians : he had thein hrotight to a court martial, n:id ordered them to i executed. Vhere was, however, some diflereuce between the ronuuet ot these ,t wo persons Ambristcr did certainly bear ann ou the side of lb In- lians aeamstthe U. Slates. -nut it wij not pretended that -Arbtithnot had borne arm : and the only evidence which w ent to show any con, ncxiou between him and tho Indians, was that of a person w ho- saidhe had seen a letter pro ving luni to he an a:;ent ot the I Lilians, and Ci-it he had Fu;plied the Indranrwithcertain nttt- cles, among w hich was u small qnanlily of lead be considered as tlie comtnoti law of Europe and in this instance its best principles wcre de pared from. After all the sacrifices w'hieh E'lliind had made during the late war, it was us little as she eould expect, to have a security of lb'& kind from Sp;iiu, against so great a dati- Ser s this. Alter havnis; iionc so niiicti lur Spam, it was not to mucn lor bitigianil to ex pect from her, that she sln.uld he round never to make any cession so d.-structive to curves interests. On this part of the subject, howe ver, he did not mean to move '.'or any pupers but If any statement that might serve to eiUci date it could he made, be hoped suehsTtitfe meat would not be withheld,. He should,hoyv 'v?nrmove for conies of any communications thflt might l.ave been received by government tending to show such a disavowal on the part of the Am.;i ii'a'irgovernmenrri'espeetitig the atrocious act i'l qnention. as should prevent a the act Wis tint Ann ' lir .'..n.ltiiiul k'.L. American government. It was done' Without tbeirJknowTedi :;an4 the question noW :wai wfcttber thiboald he considered a act which ealUi lipaii ear sjovertimeot to seek for repara Uob i Tbii was a quettioiii of a Very great de licaey: If tfcoufd oneeie'etefatatio.B, wfr most not rtlinquishour'deniand, hut push it (ft the utmost extremity and therefo-e it w proper to consider bow far it iras politit to moT the i ik of doing that which might lead to hos tility, when we were pet eaUed on hy any oeW. ees.iy to do so.-lf a British subject ihonght proper ti) engage in the jerviee of a foreign, stata without the eonsenvof his own govern, meof ;. if he joined that f Ute in carrying oti war against another and both these states w.' at peace with Great Britaio, soch tabielt forfeit. ed all protectiaa frdm his own government. "4j " muit be sunieet r all the eonsenuenees re.nl. mg fcoay such a statef hostility; jBy th law i hVo his jf ittiile nut he dduUted anil y souhu pouey it muatne aoopted.. Wo rr6 not bound to protect and seek reparation for lit ;he British adventurers who might be tmt to. death for joining in the wars of nsotral aa , . lions. It was a thine never remiirerf would be most impolitic, if two men, there lore natives of Britain, engaged in a. fereigo service, without the consent of their govern merit, their fate must be considered the. sam with that to whieh the persons in whoso scr- ' vice they engaged were suhjeet. The person named Ambrir had borne arms for the Semi nole Indians against tho Americans. Tt) other had applied to the Governor of the Ba hama Islands for liberty to carry on trs.de with them ; and he did acf as their ag"nr. Did they not, therefore, enter into the service of those tribes, in such a way as to forfeit all pro f lection from their own g vernme it ? The act of General Jaekson must bH decided bet ween. him And his own government ; and it would then be for that government fo siy, whether it w as right or wrong for their. General to exerw cisesueh power. The Indisns. at first, annli- ed to the Spanish government for arms, and not receiving any through that channel were supplied by Arbuthnot. Some persons defend. ed him on the groond of his being a British merchant at Bahama, if he bad done no morn than act as a merchant, he was entitled tn RM tish protection ; he ought not now to be de prived of . that protection for selling am,r-s ouitnis was not tne lact: Mr. Arbuthnot had ntered into the service of the Indian 'tribes. and therefore forfeited bis" protection. There fore, so far as regarded, bim and Amhris'er, all idea of British character was at an end.. I hare was another point which went to show that he waar.n agem for the lnd.ans ; this was? thecojry i a letter to (he Governor of the Ba- trade, topay his? expense" sitfenrrfrrf as:n'g;ntt- And from all these tacts, it was elea- be was not merely a merchant, hut was assuming tlrer ' xharacter of a merchant for the purpose of for- 3r and pn wider. iSow, an act of tins kind done by 'similar act in future l'rfVn being considered "as coaformabie totlie law ol nations, i tie noun inlprrat amni UtW merClmilH. I HO PIfCl laid before the CramTerT consisted of ouly se vn nr'tiplps. The various objections of the central sections on the mode of levying. the du iv. and on its amount, have caused th- projeel t be entirely altered, both with respect to Cof. fee and Sugar. . Tn this new nroicct. in 4.7' articles were added somt" explanatory remarks. This new project, after aprejimary examination, gavc easion to fresh corilerenees with tho Director General ; upon which k third project has been prrsented, with the change of some articles and the additibq of others. This'new project ;w discussed in the ittinff of the'Sccond Chamber of the States General on the 6th May. The debate was very animated, and many dislin- cuished meinbexajpoke at great length, nut se voral others being still desirous of delivering tKeir opinions, the Chamber adjourned to the evening of the 6th.' Tbe Catholic question was-postponed from the 6th of May, iu cotisrqnjmce of the indispo sition of Lord Donoughiimre. The Bank Committee have made their re port to the House of Lords. Our limits for this . dav will not admit of its insertion. We shall embrace an early opportunity to give a sketch of it. In introducing the report, tbe Editor of the Star observes, "It forma with tbe Minutes f Evidence and Appendita folio volume of pages ; ana is suosianiiany inesamo in mo KitH it rpAnmmpnfiR for th Griulu- iiiiautvv - - al Resumption of Cash 1'aymeuts. Like that of , the Commons it esiaaiisiies tne tact tnai tne Bi'nk are competent to tbe Resumption of Cash ' v: Payments, and able to cancel every claim that can come against them, it the Uovernment wil . ouce repay jhejuebt tney owe to thsUank." an individual (idolizing ton netnrat country never was visited by. the loss of life, and what ! served to render the conduct of Gen. Jackson still norr atrocious in this instance whs, that although the t'ourt in'rtrtial which tried Am brister hadshriitik from infliettng on him the severest nivjstmienf, yet Jackson did iu oppo sition to the sentence of the Court, order him. Jas well as Arhuthnotf to bepunisiieu with: the oss ot life. . 11 was tor their Ijordships then to determine, whether such conduct as this was consistent with the laws of nations. . . I So far was it from bingso, tho very laws of the United States declared, tLat lor such acts as those of which the tw o persons in question were accused, ho other punishment than that of the fine and imprisonment could be iullicted. Here the Noble Marquis quoted tbe act ot tbe meriean Lelgislaiure, winch stated that the evtizm or subject of any neutral country .who should be found assisting a Foreign Power in carrying oq war against the United 'States, he should be hued 1,000 , and sentenccdvto iwelvv mouths (imprisoument. Notwithstanding this aw lieneral .lacKsou proceeded to carry one sentence of the Court-martial into execution, and in the other iustanee to infitet a punish ment which the court had not ordered, merely of'his own authority, although before he or dered any sentence to be inflicted, he shoald have first communicated the. business to the President of tbe United Slates, to receive hit orders. Instead of this, he ac-tsd entirely from his own impulse and authority. Such conduct as' this was unparalleled in the history of ei vilized nations, and must be regarded by eve ry liberal man with disgust and horror.- Here a military officer attacked a neutral territory without' any necessity, caused two English men found there to be tried, reversed the mild cr sentence passed on one, and ordered them Marquis concluded with moving for papers to' this effect, .. ' I Earl Bathurst said he should not follow the noble Marquis iu ail the arguments he had used respecting the Cession of the Fjoridus, because he-had declined makings any motion on that part df the subject. He did not see any reason wTiy otie Government had not a right to cede a portion of its own territory to another Goverir- ment, wiuiout any riitni on vne pari oi a inij Government to find fault 'f such an act. And he was sure the-house jnust see hiiw dangerous it would be to lay itdown.as a prinaiple, thnt uot one country. could cede territory t,anoOer, wiib'jul the British government being made responsible for stieh an art. Nothing would be so inconsistent with our own1 security, as that of iroiug a'ioiitfrom one country to another for the purpose of guaranteeing iheir respective possession. At the time the treaty of Ltrecht wa made, the Floridas were not in the posses sion of the Spanish government. He should now proceed to the immediate question before tbe house. Ihe nohle Marquis must see how extremely delicate it would h; to lay before the house any partial communications . that might have been made to government respecting the two individuals mentioned by him : anil even f they were laid before tbe bouse, be would then, have but a very imperfect communication It might be said, that tho act of putting these men to death, w as of such a nature as to make it incumbent on tbe British government to call for tne punishment of tbe person who had or dered their execution. He (Lord B) contend ed, that the British government- was not bound (o call for any act of reparation. Two persons were taken in . the Spanish terrritory acting with hostility against the United states, and were put to death. It was. the government warding bis views as another Besides, he was not subjected to greater severity than thise rt bom he served were subject to, for soo of the Indian Chiefs were - put to death by tho Vmerican government when they were taken. He did uot mean to question the impropriety of an act which all persons nrust c. mieotn Iro meant the -"'putting the two Ktiglishmeu toe tW&h-Hear hear I) But it was uot one fof which our government was boiTHd to seek repa' ration ; if once begun, must be persisted iu. The Marquis of Latrsdowne explained. R did not mean to say that the act of Genera) Jaekson was one for which our g ver..me.i wa bound to seek reparation, r for, whic they could lie -'justified -in goings to war wifhAaicri- ca. His objecl was to have a public disavowal df the act, and to settle the law of nations onv this point. A priucipleof honour and of inter est must induce the government of the United States to disavow the act.-This was the view" ' he had of the subject. Their certainly was ft .! great distinction between "Ambrister and Ar- I buthnof, lor tne latter did not appear to be so. engaged as to lose the protection of his own country. No more was pretended than that he . had been a channet of7eommunication for thn Indians ; and he acted in a military capacity. -As to the cession of the Floridas, all he meant to say was, that the proud situation in which England stood ?at the general treaty of peace gave hejr a right to requireTfrom Spain, that no such cession should take place. The thing, sbnnld have been guarded, against at the Con gress of Vienna. it has been the ennstan' ptr'. jity of this country to look to probable eveota of this kind, and to enter into stipulations t . . . .. ".- 1,... . prevent their taamg piaee. rztrnerio there was a balance on which this country used to rely for her security ; and it was an essentia! part ot this balance of nations to prevent the Florida from being ceded to the United Statesan e- vent which will hereafter be bitterly deplored , as injurious and fatal tn the interests of Great n .. ' a -i - r 'l..:,i .1. IT.! tin lain in casern any miuro war yt un mc unit ted States. As, Itowever, ho understood that some ef the communications to which he allud ed took place, he would not press his motion. " The harl of Liverpool explained what had "been said by him at the commencement of tho . Br tll- session. All he said was, mat he snouia on ready to give every explanation respecting Am brister and Arbuthnot when the result Va known. He was ready to admit that do act considered as moral acts, could be so alrociotw as these to which the noble Marquis, adverted,; 7ea On the first knowledge of this bu'sK nets, it was not overlooked by his Majesty ' (For conclusion, set fourth page. 4 'i
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