to the public; an.l which must risk the
rharactcr nf a high and illustrious indi
vidual. And l be honorable an&icarned
gentleman strongly urged ministers to
avoid such investigation unless forced
upon them. It had now been forced
upon them; negotiation was at an end;
for the transactions of the last 48 &nurs
had proved how little was to be gained
by negotiation; and how little ihe illus
trious individual was inclined to be guid
ed by the wise advice whkh the hono
rable and learned gentleman may be pre
sumed to have given h#r. She had ra
ther chosen to adopt the lamentable,
and, he. would add, criminal, advice of
some p< rsons abodt her, and had, as the
honorable and Earned gentleman last
flight declared, permitted garbled and
untrue statements of what had passed to
go forth; statements calculated only to
inflame t i.c passions of the lower orders.
(Hear, hea?.) The members of govern
ment had also bcrn accused of offering
her majesty money, and had been charg
ed with ading unconstitutionally in do
ing s^. It should be recollected, that
uo provision could be made for any of
tho* royal family, whether queen or
ctferwise, unless recommended by the
, crown. In all contracts made with fo
reign powers, on the subject of a subsi
Jy, the sunt was first named by the
cown, in the understanding that an ap
plication was to be made to parliament,
lie had thought it was the intention of
her majesty to reside abroad, and, in
that evei.t, it was becoming in parlia
ment to make the same provision as
when she left the country. As it had
been understood that the royal parties
were to continue separated, the provi
sion was proper, and was regarded as
final, especially, as by the settlement of
marriage, the queen was entitied to
50,000/. a year. No proposition had
been made to the queen to surrender
her rights, as ministers must have been
nware that no such renunciation could
he made, and no act of the queen to that
cffcct could tyr valid. The object of the
arrangement had been, to put a stop to
all conflict, both at home and abroad,
betwixt the parties. As the queen was
not to live in this country, it was pro
posed that she should not bear a title
that could raise a perpetual question as
to her public situation with the repre
sentatives of the cfown, in foreign coun
tries. The honorable gentleman had a
document in his possession that proved
no idea had been entertained that the
queen should surrender her legal rights.
No attempt had ever been made by the
government, that foreign powers should
hurt ;he feelings of the queen. No wish
d to depi ire her of any of her com
foils. On the fir*t day of the session the
house had been informed that measures
had been adopted to prevent ai?y pecu
niary embarrassment. A communica
tion had been made by the first lord of
the treasury, to the queen's bankers,
since her arrival in the country, that
tliere would be no interruption to her
income pending the discussion in par
I'ari ent; and, that she was at perfect li
berty to choose any residence s! e might
think proper. The members of the roy
al family were not entitled to reside in
the royal pa'accs, and most of them had
houses for which they paid themselves.
He concluded by moving, that the pa
pets delivered to the house he referred
to a select committee to examine and to
report upon thern to the house.
Mr.Bioughatu.(amiast a general call)
then rose. He assured the house that
the noble lord had not risen upon this
finest ion with more pain than he now
cui; with reluctance he could not add,
for vho could feel any otherwise than
?nt refaction, that the. hour ?vas at length
arrived when he might freely, fully, and
o; ei ly, delcnd those interests to the best
o! his abilities although he must do so,
unfortunately* under the consciousness
of Ins inadequacy to so great a task. It
was !o parliament that the illustrious la
civ, who was the subject of the debate,
addressed herself; but it was tf. the high
court of parliament, and not to any se
lected band o! mutes, that she made her
appeal. Her sagacity, r.ot inferior to
that cf any person in public or private
life, whom he had ever met with, her
natuial propriety of conduct: a proprie
ty maintained under circumstances the
most dangerous and hostile to domestic
harmony and domestic virtue, satisfied
the nrind of her majesty, that an open
investigation could alone answer the de
mand* of justice. Would those who
hcird hirn, possessing, as he knew they
did, the feelings of men and of gentle
men, with a living spark of honor ani
mating their bn asts, severally bhnie an
error, if an error it was, which, under
the guidance of perhaps not absolute
wisdom, her majesty had been induced
to commit? (lleat, hear, and a laugh.)
li would appeal to the house, as her
mjj' sty had done, whether it was fair or
just to make outwaid appearances a
ground of accusation. Why, then, was
h< r case to be made ch pendant upon ihe
1 entente of a tribunal of which she had
i e?er before heard, and before which
she could offer no defence? She well
knew, indeed, that, from the mode of
proceeding suggested by the noble lord
(Ca- tlereagh.) s?.e could expect neither
i?- lief nor consolation. It was a public
rial tha< she desired, and it was to the
i ifch couit of parliamenf that she made
I cr appeal. He, of course, knew not
whether a bill of attainder, or a hill of
pains and penalties; was ,n toMcmpla
lion, or might be the result of the pro
posed inquiry. The noble lord, he ap
prehended, would hardly take for his
model the proceedings in lord Stafford's
case, and still less would he dare to de
rive a precedent from the reign of Hen
ry VIII. (Hear, hear.) No former ad
ministration ? not that of Mr. Pitt him
self?would have ventured upon a mea
sure that indicated so entire a departure
from the common principles of our ju
risprudence. He knew nothing of the
materials which were to constitute the
subject of inquiry; his knowledge was
confined to the exterior of a green bag.
(Hear, hear.) In that bag was contain
ed, not only all the documentary evi
dence, but all the evidence of any kind
which could be adduced before a com
mittee. He had reason to believe, that
no living witness would be brought for
ward for any other purpose than that of
verrifying certain signatures. It was, in
deed, a lamentable circumstance, that a
lawyer of no common rank might pro
bably be found among this latter des
cription of witnesses. Previous to that
ill-fated hour which led the learned gen
tleman, to whom he alluded ? a gentle
man distinguished by the rank of king'*
counsel, and universally esteemed for
his character and abilities ? to take up
his residence at Milan; no man would
have imagined that such a task would
have been undertaken by such a person.
It was extraordinary that an expectant
master in chancery would stoop to this
employment. For what had he exchang
ed his practice at the bar? To mingle
with idle gossips, to hear the stories of
bargemen, to register the tales of cast
off mistresses and discarded servants:
truly an undignified employment. To
be engaged month after month, in not- j
ing down the minutes of a sort of evi
dence, with which courts of justice, to
their misfortune, were too familiar, but
which, to their honor, they always repro
bated, was a singular instance of depar
ture from the ordinary course of profes
sional avocations. In this way, howe
ver, and from sources thus impure, had
been accumulated and brought together
all the contents of that green bag. This
was the mass of evidence on which her i
majesty's accusers alone relied; and I
when he had made these personal allu- I
sions, he did it with the feeling of one
professional man filled with regret at
the humiliation of another, blushing at
once for the profession and human na
ture. (Hear, hear.) It was lamentable
that the base work should nor have been
left to other hands ? to hands accustom
ed to the same degrading employment
?to hands which not even this low and
dirty office could further sully. But the
noble lord thought proper to contcnd,
that all proceedings before a committee
would be indifferent as to the result of j
an ulterior inquiry, lie called on eve
ry man who heard him to lay his hand
on his heart and declare, whether in his
own case, he would put his trust, or
rest his final hope, on a committee. Ad
mitting that something in the nature of
a preliminary investigation ought to take
place, it was not to the k ceping of a com
mittee that he would entrust so sacred a
charge ? the charge of a queen's honor
and fair fame. The noble lord seemed
to hav?- supposed, that it had been charg
ed against the government as unjustifia
ble on their part to have made the pro
position to the queen, when the parlia
ment alone could make the grant. He
(Mr. Brougham) was aware that the of
fer was to be considered in the same
way as if it had been made to any foreign
power, when it was usual for ministers,
in the first instance, to enter into the en
gagement, and afterwards come to par
liament to carry it into tfT rt. But he
(Mr. Brougham) must assert, that he
still viewed it, as he had always done,
as nothing more or less than calling on
the queen to say, " Give me 50,000/. a
year, and I will admit that I am guilty,
or, at least, not quite innocent." (Hear.)
She was not only to abandon her own
title, but she was not allowed to take
any other belonging to any other branch
of t^.e royal family. What was that but
to say, 41 t admit myself to be unworthy
of that family, and ought not '.o he per
mitted to bear its name?" (Cheers )
That the queen might not only abandon
all her rights, but the very name of the
family to which she belonged. If other '
propositions had been made to hrt ma
jesty, which did not wear even the ap
pearance of an $r knowledfccment of
guil ? which, as a woman of honor and of
unimpeached character and conduct,
she might safely accept ? which would
not have been discreditable to the go
vernment to offer, and to which, in jus
tice, the queen might have yielded ? he
would have been the first to have given
his humble advice that her majesty
should rather go a step too far than not
go far enough to lend herself to an ho
norable, hut a private and amicable, ad
justment. (Continued cheers.) II is rea
son was this, in this question the interests
of the royal family was most deeply con
cerned, and the interests of the consti
tution in proportion. Not merely was
the queen's character at stake?not
merely must the treatment she re
ceived in tliis or that instance be inves
tigated?not merely must the inquiry
extend to this or that illustrious house
with which she was connected; but all
the private histoiy of all those exalted
individual* to whom she was related,
might, (he did not say must,) be lotced I
iut? the conflict. Then, the house must J
give hira leave to sav, it would have an
other such session ?a* had been known
eleven year* ago* when all public busi
ness was suspended, when all feelings of
ordinary political interest were annihi
lated, when the common state gossip of
the day was stilled, when parties ceased
to engage, and political rancor had been
overwhelmed in the great engrossing
topic of the private life, habits, and fail
ings, of one of the noblest personages in
the realm. Who shduld assert, what
course men bound by professional tics
to regard nothing but the safety of his
client, (he referred not to members of
this house, and therefore had no allusion
to himself or hi* learned colleague)
might think it necessary to recommend'
Others must be trusted ? their royal cli
ent must rely upon the skill, the know
ledge, and the prudence, of others; and
who should decide that absolute neces
sity might compel them to advise a pro
ceeding, of which some idea might be
formed by those who had marked what
had passed in this country eleven years
ago? He then must be a sagacious man
who could assert what course necessity
might compel; and he must be a bold
man who would say that, it here, in the
situation of profcs?ional adviser to the
queen, lie would hesitate for one mo
ment in securing his client, even at
such a desperate expense.
An advocate, be it remembered, had
but one point to look to: he was ruined,
disgraced, degraded; he might even be
long to a Milan tiibunal, if he looked to
any other interest than that to \^u:h his
character was pledged. (Hcn^eat!)
But he must be a much bolder man still
who, with all these prospects before his
eyes, would plunge the country into
such fatal inquiries, if there were even
a bare possibility of avoiding them.
(Continued cheers from the opposition
benches ) Let it not be forgotten that
there were three parties who took a
deep interest in this discussion: first,
the king, who was most desirous that
the inquiry should proceed ? who felt
that he had nothing to dread from dis
closures, and who was unfortunately im
pressed with the idea that, in his high
office, it was necessary tor his vindica
tion, that something should be underta
ken. Next, the queen, who acted nearly,
if not entirely, in the same spirit ? who
thought it requisite for her own securi
ty, for the clearing of her own honor,
that the inquiry should be persisted in
to the end. She shrunk not from it, but
courted it; she was prepared to meet it;
she had come from safety into? .he
would not say jeopardy, but? 'trouble,
vexation, and anxiety, in going through
the whole of this painful, and, in his
view, afflictive and frightful investiga
tion. Both of Uimc parties would
instantly reject the advice he was now
tendering. nut mere was a third
party, whose wishes he hoped the
house would not consult; he alluded to
those out of doors, who were possessed
of a greedy and diseased appetite for
slander, and who only gave up their
chacc of vulgar, private scandal on some
such emergency as the present, where
the allurement was increased by its af
fecting lb* mo?t exalted individuals in j
the land. Those who laboured under I
the infliction of such a morbid desire,
and those wl?o basely made a profit,
by pandering for its gratification, had
a direct interest in urging forward
the inquiry, and most but&rly would
they be disappointed if it did not pro
ceed. In the humble performance of
his duty^ he felt callcd upon here even
to thwart her majesty's inclination, and
be would tell her, 44 Madam, if negotia
tion yet be possible, rather go too far,
and throw yourself upon your coun
try and upon parliament, for your
vindication, than not go far enough.
If yet it be possible to avert the ru
in which this course, if persisted in.
will bring upon the nation, do your
utmost to postpone the calamity."
(Cheers.) If he might advise those who
stood in a similar si'uation with regard
to the king, he would say to them, " Act
like honc?t men, and disregard all con
sequences: tender that counsel to your
sovereign which the case demands, and
do not fear that parliament will abandon
you, or the country desert you: even
party will not disgrace itself to the low
est level, to which corrupt and unprin
cipled factionists can desccnd, by taking
advantage of your faithful and fearless
discharge of a noble and disinterested
duty. (Hear, hear.) Do not apprehend
that even a political calamity will attend
you; but, if successors must be appoint
ed to your places, be assured that thry
will not be found within these walls."
(Loud cheers.)
The late Mr. Whitbread and himself
were the only persons who had seen the
whole of the documents it contained, and
they had been increased. The Milan
board sat for ten months to fill the green
bag for the accusation, but he did not
say that ten months, or ten weeks, would
be required to blow the report of that
board in the air. lie would assert that
it would be necessary to examine evi
dence as to the character of the accusa
tory witnesses. One of them, he knew,
had committed a felony, and had been
discharged by the queen from her ser
vice: and the evidence to proVe this was
a peasant who must he followed and
found. Other rases of connexion be
tween the witnesses could be, and must
be, established; and, though the advi
sers of the queen might be disputed to
bring only those that vere actually ne
cessary, thii preliminary operation, of
itself, must occupy weeks, if not month*.
He, therefore, who thought thst even
six or eight months would complete the
great subject, was most egregiously de
ceived; but, if it were only four months,
his prayer and entreaty to the house w?,
that it would spare the country from the
suffering which such an inquiry would
in&ict. He itould now go to the pro
ceedings of the Hanoverian minister?
the minister of a court most likely to be
swayed by the government of Eng
land.
The Hanoverian minister, Baron
Ompteda, who had been most gracious
ly and hospitably received by the queen,
who had insinuated himself into her con
fidence, who had partaken largely of
her liberality, who had passed several
months at a time under her roof- ? this
man (not indeed the envoy to this coun
try, but to the holy see) was discovered,
not merely spying into her actions, brib
ing strangers to watch her, and even
bribing her own servants, but it was
found that he employed a smith to pick
the locks of her w riting desk, (shouts of
hear,) in order to examine any papers
that might be in her possession. (Hear,
hear.) Unluckily fur him, that which lie
found, demonstrated the innocence, in
stead of ihe guilt, of the illustrious per
sonage. (Hear, hear.) A young naval
officer, to whom the transaction became
known, demanded personal satisfaction;
?nd at length, the baron was expelled
from the Austrian territories, not indeed
for picking locks, but for refuting to
fight a duel. Baron Ompteda must ne
cessarily have been inflenced by a base
spirit, when he engaged In so abomina
ble a transaction in order to conciliate
the favor of his employers; be entirely
acquitted those who sent baron Omptc
da on his mission to the holy soe.
Baron Reding was now the Hanove
rian minister at Rome, and his conduct
towards her majesty was also worthy of
remark. The moment it was i>otified
by u?e bishops to the chief of the
consistory of Rome, that her majesty's
name was not inserted in the Liturgy,
the body guard, which had previously
been allowed her, was immediately w ith -
drawn; they pretended that she came
concealed as the countess of Oldi. But
baron Redingfthe Hanoverian minister,
went a great deal farther. He would
not call her by the title of w queen," he
would not call her by the title of " prin
cess of VV ales," but he sometimes called
her " Caroline of Brunswick," in so ma
ny words, without the epithet of " prin
cess," which she certainly was entitled
to before her marriage; and at other
times he called her by a different name
?a name ol wtuch Uie bouse had never
heard, " Caroline of England." Every
Englishman who entered his excellen
cy's society must have heard him talk
in this manner of the consort of his so- j
vereign, who, he was persuaded, had too
much the feelings of a gentleman, of a
prince, and a man of honor, to allow any
individual to insinuate hirmelf into his
favor by treating a lemale rudely and
j disrespectfully. (Hear.) Her majesty
had commanded him to call fur a full,
fair, and open investigation. The spce
I dier the beginning of it was, the more
I completely would she be gratified? the
j more ample it was, the tnore decided
would be her satisfaction, but, that it
would be a short investigation, he, who
knew the course of such proceeding,
felt to be impossible. He implored the
house to consider how far more virtuous
an act they would do, by avoiding such
an investigation, rather than by showing
their constancy and perseverance in
steering, however successfully, through
these accumulated difficulties. (Hear,
hear.)
Mr. Canning said, that in ail the dis
cussions which had taken place before
this crisis, he had looked to the situation
of the queen, as to that of the nearest
and dearest friend. To his sovereign he
owed the duty of a privy counsellor; to
her majesty he owed every esteem and
respect. The t*i?h nearest his heart was, :
that this extremity could have been I
avoided; his next wish was, that her ma- J
jesty might corne out of this inquiry ?
with honor to herself, and satisfactory
to her friends. An honorable member
(Mr. Tierny) had said, that no compro
mise could take place without injuring
1 the king's honor, or insulting the queen.
Another honorable member blamed go
vernment, because they did not them
selves bring in a bill of pains and penal
ties. Hut this was not the duty of mi
nisters; they had not undertaken the
task of bringing forward those charges;
they were not the collectors of the evi
dence to be laid before the committee.
(Hear, hear, hear, from the opposite
bcnchcs.) They felt it their bounden
duty to lay them before the house.
What was the first step taken by mi
nisters? They recommended a compro
mise, which the honorable and learned
gentleman now advised. That honora
ble gentleman (Mr. Brougham) kocw
this had been offered, and his assistance
to bring it about had been since request
ed. If that had been acccpted, it would
have spared the house the painful duty
which now devolved upon them. The
proposal was said to be revolting, and a
modification was recommended. Why
was not the modification proposed be
fore? It was now, he feared, too late to
propose any. An honorable and learned
gentleman had expressed his regret at
the Failure of all amicable ?n*ngtmeT,u. ?
and it was but juat to the honorable and
learned gentleman to declare, that be I
( Mr. Canning;) believed that he had ut>- I
dertaken ibe management of the bus;.
tiess with every aincere and ardent de I
sire to bring about a favorable malt I
But it was a pity that the honorable aiHi j
learned gentleman, before he had set tut I
from Loadon, did not ao much is tell I
them that those terms could not be heard ?
without indignation; or aurely that whicH
it was right to speak at St. Oner's could I
not be unfit to be spoken in London. He I
deprecated the idea of a bill of pain, I
and penalties against ber majesty. par. I
1 lament were not called upon to become
the accusers of her majesty; and, aaid I
he, " I, as one individual, so help n,e I
God, never will place myself in that at- I
tuation." He regretted that all hopes of I
conciliation had failed. Inquiry was I
challenged. If there should appear mat- I
ter of crimination, there mutt be an open I
inquiry; the illustrious person should I
have the full opportunity of defence. I
His first wish was, to avert inquiry; his
next, that her majesty might paw I
through the ordeal clear and trium- I
phaut. Never had he been involved in I
difficulties so distressing a* those which I
he had felt during the whole of this dis- I
cuKsion. -ft
Mr. Tlcrny said, it was impossible I
that any man of good feelings could
come to this question without the deep.
e?t anxiety. HW only satisfaction was
that he had nothing to do with the ne
gotiations, which seemed to have breugh*
all the parties concerned in them n?o a
piteous plight. (A laugh.)
Mr. I Vilbcrforce said, there wss noth
ing, he would say, but the absolute del
pair of any reconciliation or adjustment
in this case, which woukl compel him
to abandon the course he now felt k lu
duty to adopt, with a view of preventing
the dreadfil discussion with which ther
were threatened. (Hear, hear.) He be
lieved there was not a man ipthe bouv
who did not participate in his feelings
of wishing, if possible, to prevent the
matter from going on. (Hear, hear.)
He proposed that they yet paused for a
day or two, before proceeding farther .
in this business, (loud cheers,) mwvder
that the parties might have time to cool.
(Hear, hear.) The honorable gentletitao
concluded with moving that the farther
debate on this question be adjourned till
Friday next, (loud cheers.) ? *
Lord Caiilerragh expressed his wtt!:
ingness to accrde to the wishes oMk
house. It was impossible for hit*, how
ever, after the experience which he had
had, to hold out any sanguine expecta
tions of an adjustment, otto make him.
self responsible for it. **
The mo* rorr for adjotftrMng (he debate
to Friday next, was ttaf) agreed to.!
Adjourned at one o*<fk>ck.
London, June 30.
Oar readers will tee from the pro
ceedings in parliament* that the nego
nation between his majesty's minister*
and the queen, as we stated in yester
days pjper, has failed. The correspon
dence, by the king's command, wss laid
upon the table of both house*, and or
dered to be printed. They afe, in all,
ten papers. The two 6rst are genuine
copies of the letter of the earl of Liver
pool, dated the 10th imt. and her ma
jesty's answer, the substance of which
was stated, but not accurately, in the
papers ten diys ago. Her majesty was
not called upon to renounceihe styla and
title of queen. The next *as t letter
from lord Liverpool, to say, that though
they had not received an answer to the
proposal of the 15th Apt il.vadc to Mr.
Brougham, they wire sull ready to re
ceive soy proposition that her mjjcV)
might be graciously pleased to make.
To this her majesty answers, that this
proposition of the I K ?f Annl had
never reached her hand (ill now; but
the desire which !?he had to yield to the
wishes of the two houses of parliament,
would dispose her lo receive, wiih the
most serious attention, anjr proposal that
his majesty's ministers might now make
to her consistent with her honor and
dignity; that it was important to her ma
jesty, that her name should !?? restored
to the liturgy, as the withdrawing it con
trary to the statute, had the appearance
of tending to some parliamentary or le
gal proceedings against her, and that
must be removed as an equivalent re
sorted lo as the means of removing that
impression.
That a suitable royal residence should
be provided for her, such at her apart
ments in Kensington palace, which she ^
had never given up, and that then she
would be prepared to receive furthe;^
proposals.
To this lord Liverpool replied, that '
the withdrawing her majesty's name t
from the liturgy, had no view to any
parliamentary or legal proceedings, hut
was grounded on the precedent that the
queen of king Gorge I. was not includ
ed in the liturgy; and that, as to a royal
residence, there was none at this tim*
unoccupied, her majesty's former apart
ments in Kensington palace, being in the
possession of her royal highness the
dutches* of Kent; but his majesty's tm
nisters had directions to supply her with
the means of such accommodation as hei
majesty might be pleased to chuse lo"
herself. To this the queen replied, that
the omission of the name fiom the lilur
gy of the queen ?f king* George I