WESTERN CAM i IAN. T VOL. IV. SAIISnUUY, N. C. TUESI)AY,MAUCH 23, 1821. NO.!. 98.' ' : raima BtPHILO white, fjLlthtr A Uwt tin Udfd Slain. TU Urm or t wem Carolinian will fetwalUf I t&9t . 7Va Jkfir Jf4r, aavaUe I advance. . Advertisements a ill be Inarrtc at ftftjr eewta par square fur tw Int inMrtuxk, mm twenty-bra CHI) for VMM MHHWeM . All WtUrs MrMod to tbe Editor, must b Ud, or they will mm b attended la. DKDATK On Mr. ri'HKB'S AXTI CAUCUS KE80LLTIOX8. Mr. T. IV. BlatkttJgt row and said, 1. Speaker, I cannot refrain on .this oc cation, from again expressing my deep (bat (hit house should be called on i i -.' 'this subject tt II. Believing lw rr-utloni af Intended to have di rect Wlng on the Presidential election, the subject become to me one or deep, eameat rd solemn intereit j believing also, that this It subject which certainly doe not come before us In our Legisla tive capacity, and that ' we are travelling bevond our constitutional limits, in die-; Hiitt l our icprewa Watlw U Cant-rets, 1 refcret that our reeling ahould be ex cited, and the- harmony of the house inter rupted by the unnrcettary discussion of a subject, at once so critical and delicate. It is to tne, a matter of not only regret, but of surprise also, that the gentlemen who have lauded, with such sanctimonious gravity, tit ra ofgtod fetlin'i who pro fess themselves believers in a political millenium, and assert that it has now ar rived, should so recklessly and carelessly hazard the existence of the one, and the continuance of the other. These gentle men must know that they have deliberately thrown Into this house a lighted firebrand ; brand which will kindle into a blaze, the now dormant, but unextinguished em bers of political faction ; and rouse into action, with increased malevolence and energy, all the angry passions which ema nate from party discord. I repeal, sir, that they have deliberately been the means of rousing these disagreeable fee lings for though the- preamble and reso lutions ere worded with much specious ness -ftd caution and say nothing con cerning the candidates for the Presidency, it must be evident, that whatever they profess, they certainly were .intended to subserve the interest of one or more of the candidates for that office, and to pre judice the standing of another of the one whom I believe to be the most worthy, and who Is certainly the most popular candidate, among our constituents. 1 beg, sir, to Ue understood as imputing to the Wends of these resolutions no unwor thy motives far frout it. If they have a favorite, they certainly bave a right 10 use their own ways and means to forward his views, and neither L, nor those with whom I agree, have a right or a wish to be of their counsel. Dut 1 am anxious that the subject of debate should be under stood, not only as regards its outward and visible form, but a to the real operation which it is intended to have. And I think I am borne out in my opinion, as to their real intent, by the crisis at which they are introduced, the well known sentiments of the gentleman who brought them before us, and of other gentlemen arrayed in their defence, and lastly, by the notoriously preponderating popularity of the favorite candidate of this state, in the house of re presentativesin that body, whose sim plicity we are invited to instruct, and of whose honor we are requested to consti tute ourselves the guardians. The gentleman from Rowan, sir, has complained that the course pursued by the gentleman from Halifax, in moving the indefinite postponement of the whole subject, is not liberal or parliamentary because he is by that motion, precluded from offering an amendment to, or a sub stitute for the original preamble and reso lutions. Surely, Mr. Speaker, the gen tleman cannot pretend he has been taken -by surprise These resolutions were not drawn in the perplexity and hurry of bu siness, or in the confusion of debate. They have been expected to make their ap pearance in this house, almost ever since we have met. The awful note of pre pa -saUon had for a long time sounded ere their appearance and they now bear evi dent marks of labor and foresight in their ifoujction. But the gentleman from towiri ja discovered, that there are " wme tedej-iif house? "pposhk idMfrtta swallow tv, whole of the doctrine contai ; ned in his Gamble and resolutions who are against tucugjngt uul equally against our usurpingx rigi,t of gurveilance over our members ;ongress, and whose well - known consistery wji not ptrmii them to sacrifice a primie, ,0 fu, ,her a p(ji, j cal purpose, by voU? fof the resolutions its their present shape. This It no more than 1 expect from their well known in dependence t but the gentleman from Howan, I presume, was deceived In m expectations, end now wishes to rectify the error and render them more palatable to those gentlemen, In order that, by uni ting that party with a fragment tjioi dit ni republicans, be may array e force suf: fielcnt to countervail the strength of the republican party. I do not feel myself bound to Indulge toe. .gentleman in any more of his political experfrhenH--te.hu thrown the die, and must abide the result of chance he hat steered his own course, and if in attempting to avoid Scylla, he has dashed himself on Cbarybdis, his ship wreck must atone for his miscalculating pilotage. The remarks of the gentleman from Rowan have been so multifarious and dis cursive, that I am sure my memory will not ensile me to animadvert on therri all nor en any of them with the same lu cidness and order which they have been Uid before us by him. I shall take the liberty of calling the attention of the house to some few f them, in the order in which they are marshalled in my recol lection. Before, however, I proceed to this, I would ask leave to.examiivr what 1 deem a previous question of some impor tancewhether we are not stepping be yond our constitutional limits, in instruc ting or advising our representatives in congress ? As to the abstract right of passing the resolutions on the table, it is not necessary to waste time in reasoning on it we have the right to piss resolu tions advising and instructing the house of lords and commons of Great Britain or the peers of France, or the privy council of the Czar. But as these bodies are not particularly responsible to us for their good behaviour, I apprehend we should expose ourselves to their derision were we to venture on an interference it) their concerns. The esse is neatly or quite parallel as between ourselves and the members of congress. 1 conceive, sir, that there can be no right or expediency in tendering advice or instruction, where there is no responsibility between the party instructing and the party to which iiiiirucuoiit are given, i ne ngw or ex pediency is co-extensive with this respon sibiljty, md correspondent to, and in ex act proportion with the degree thereof, on the behalf of the party instructed. Now, sir, the members of the bouse of repre sentatives are elected by the people, and are responsible to the people, and to them only and so far as we compose small unit in the vast sum of the people, so lar aud no farther can we expect our advice or instruction to have weight with our members of congress. For, sir, 1 apple hend they owe to us no allegiance as members of the legislature ; nr in any other capacity but as individuals of the community ; as a legislature, we have no influence in their election there is therefore, no responsibility on their part. nor consequently any right of instruction on ours, As individuals and part of the people, he have a right to instruct our re presentatives : because the people have that right. But would it not be nugatory nay worse than nugatory for us to in terfcre as a legislature ? Would it not be exposing the legislature to contempt. to do an act to which no respect can be paid as an act of legislation i 1 hese ob servatioos apply, with nearly equal force, to our senators as to our representatives. Though we are the immediate organs in electing them, yet wc are elected by the people, and are responsible to them for the correctnessof our selection. Our po litical existence expires almost with the act of election, and in Che nature of things can never be integrally resuscitated. 1 hey, the senators, are re-eligible by another legislature to be chosen six years after wards, by the people, from their own body ; and they are therefore responsible to them, though in a more remote de gree, both on that account and the 'ac count of the infrequency of their election, than the representatives; and I appre- hendhefeisnomore propriety in our instructing our senators in their duty, than there would be should the electors of the President, advise him as to the course of policy which he should pur sue inilhe administration of the general government. The Vnoda of their election is nearly similar, and the responsibility of the President to the,college of electors is snore direct and immediate than is that of the senators to the legislature, because the tirm of re election is shorter t Yet I iiK1fcia1lfe1nthit:ti:intefference' Me -'"Hits' i'rihriidhW'Wthe'electOrrr would be deemed an act little short of in sanity. vV uh this view of the subject, I beg the house to' be cautious in passing resolutions, which, to say the least of them, are mere nullities to forbear giv ing advice, to which we cannot compel them to listen ; or instructions which we cannot coerce them id adopt. I fear, sir, we should only expose outsell to the contempt which always attefl. U arrogant impudence of pretension, whr Tawcompa nled by total imbecility or Tbkyu Impo tence of exctuUotu ( urther, air, if we have right to instruct our repres-.nta lives on this subject we have the ssme on any other, or- all other subjects k is impossible to drav juiioe of jdiidnction. And If we believe tiat our present Mem bers of Congress, fom want ofunderst.n ding or honesty, hive betrayed the inter est of their country or are about to betray tririd-Uiat it is our duty to set them right i the same motives should induce us to watch over their every act every vote t and kindlf to point out the policy they should pursue. It is equally our duty to continue in session, as long as Congress, for far that from the want of our aid and instruction, the country might he injured by their counsels. This is one of the aisurd consequences, flow ing from the doctrine it, in fact, makes congress nothing more than a body me' together from all parts of the U. States to record the edicts of the stats legists turcs. This important previous qutstim of the right to instruct, has, u sterns, not arrested ibe. attention of the gentleman fiom Howan. P. Jug it t ..') by, he arranges hit objections against a caucus, under two heads. He says thesystcra is, 1st, unconstitutional ; 2d, inexedient at this time. Irt us examine tie gentle man's objections in due order. 1st, as to its unconstitutionally The gentleman recites to us a clauc from the Constitution of the United Stites which prohibits members of congres, among oihers, from being electors ol President and ice President of the Unied States; and avers, that when they men in a cau cus and recommend any particular candi date to the people, they therciv virtually become electors, and violate tie constitu tion. An elector, Mr. Speakir, is a crea ture of the constitution, and existing by it, and described and defined distinctly as to his powers therein. He is a person chosen either by the people or the legis lature, to meet at a certain time and place, and give a vote for President and Vice Presidrnt This, sir, K 1 believe, a full and distinct definition of an elector Will the gentleman from Rowan point out to me, to which' part of this definition a member of congress answers, when he expresses his opinions to his fellow citi zrni as lo the mciits of any one candi date for the Presidency ? Even his inge nuity must be at fault to this question ; his sophistry does not deceive himself. Before 1 proceed unv farther in the exa mination of this part of the subject, I will take the liberty of explaining my ideas of the interpretation of the constitu tion as applicable to the subject. I be lieve, sir, that a citizen retains in every offire which he may be called on to fill, each and every prmlege to which other citizens are entitled, except where they are expressly taken away by some clause of the ronoiitution. This plain and sim ple proposition, is so consonant to our most ordinary ideas of civil liberty, that I apprehend none will be hardy enough to deny or contradict it. Our general lib erty and privileges, are, in some few par ticular instances, abridged by constitu tional prohibition as in those instances where the exercise of a particular privi lege or liberty is deemed incompatible with the holding any particular office. Thus a member of congress may not ex ercise or hold any office of trust or profit under the general government, nor be an elector of President and Vice President f the United States. But these except tions are never construed beyond the strict letter of enactment we have con fined them lo their strict literal mean- ing. I understand, that this instrument has, among the republicans, always re ceived a rigid, scrupulous, and narrow construction. They have never permit ted the general govern thent to -assume any powers but what were plainly and clearly given nothing by implication. I he case wss different formerly. At the eventful crisis of 17981799, the consti tution was a mere nose of wax ; it was construed to mean any thing or nothing, precisely as it agreed with or contravened the views of their then dormant party. But those times are gone by, and we are no longer in the habit of construing ex pediency and necessity to be synonymous terms. Now, sir, I call upon the gentle man from Rowan to point out the clause in-the tstjnu members of congress rom formHg-7t opinion on ny iwlitieal subject ; or of expressing that opinion when formed ? to point out the clause which makes a dif ference of criminality between exnressine the same at home ; or between expres sing an opinion singly, and doing the same in company .with others. The gen tleman from Ro'Wan will not deny, that our representatives may do the former acts, that Is, form snd express an opinion as to men and measures whilst at home and acting in tbeir private capacity. Let him then point out the Clscrirnhnion be tween the one and the other Ut him shew the point where innocence term! nates and guilt commences, lt hira demonstrate, why that which an indivi eual rosy do honestly and consututionally miy not be done with equal honesty and cquii regaro to me constitution, oy num bers. In fine, sir, let the gentleman from Rowan, and seriously ask him to do it, give us tome tangible definition ofa cau cut, that we miy fairly understand what we are to urgently pressed to pronounce unconstitutional and inexpedient. Until he shall have art we red these questions, or give these explanations, I can oidy give to the gentemsh's arguments the weight due to earnest, and frothy decla mation. But, sir, we ait told by the f entlemin, that it it wrong that our representatives should express an opinion on, or inter fere in this matter, because; if they did, there would be great danger of their be ing corrupted, or bribed by the candidates for the presidency and that this is evin ced by the fact, that they are excluded by Ihe cotumutioo fiora bring electors it t'7p :Li the venerable framera of that iastrument, entertained a deep jealousy of their political purity in this matter. It seems to me, sir, to be strange, that the framers of our constitu lion should be so exceedingly jealous of the purity of our members of congress as to inhibit them from expressing an opin ion on the subject, or recommending a candidate to their constituents and at the same time should lodge in them, in the dernier resort, the selection of the presi dent. In the first event, viz : an election by the people of electors, the number o candidates will generally be so great, and the prospect of the election of either of them so remote and contingent, that their means of corruption are greatly inferior to what they are, in the latter event, an election by congress The promise of an office by any one or the candidates, pre vious to the decision of the electoral col lege, would be too uncertain to have any influence i when, from the number of the candidates, it was very probable that that body would fail to make a con slitutional selection. Surely, sir, if any ihing is to be dreaded on this score, the peril is much more imminent, when the election becomes vested in the house of representatives- Then there can be only three candidates; there will generally be only two who are prominent. 1 hen, the whole executive patronage will be con centrated in the hands of those two : and can and will be wielded with a much more powerful and dangereus effect against the purity of congress. Yet, sir, the framers of the constitution have even, in this event, placed in their hands the im portant and momentous privilege of a final election;- This argument, sir, re turns upon its author : the probable effect of a caucus nomination will be an election by the people, and a prevention of the question's reaching the house of repre sentatives. If there is danger of bribery and corruption at all, there is less in a caucus than in the house or representa tivesbecause the, means of corruption are then not in possession, but contingent. Again, if a caucus, even if corrupt, only recommends, and the people can ratify or reject their choice there, is nothing binding or obligatory in the recommen dation which they make. But in the house of representatives, as the probabil ity of corruption is stronger, so is their election final, conclusive and obligatory. One other argument against a caucus nomination is, that by a recommendation through that channel, the people are rob bed of their rights,; that the right of election is in effect taten ftom the people, and they are declared to be unable and incompetent to make a choice- This seems to be a favorite argument wdth the friends of the resolutions. It has tailed into exercise their most skilful logic, and their most vehement declamation. I do not berfeyeTsir, (hat thegeftllemends: pect to effectuate much on this floor, by their eloquence onlhis point. No, sir ; it is an ahgdmcnt ad cafitandum vulgui f it is intended for the ear of the gentle1 mens constituents at the contest for the presidency which must shortly ensue. The gentlemen are welcome to .all the merit and all the aid which they candle live from it, both here and! at borne. Let u.mjuise wbeineriksMJI sunUhc UM axiom, bicb $en the Jesuitical gentle man from Rowan will not deny, that if the people are robbed of any right, they no longer possess that right. If the right of voting for .Tj president is taken from the! people by the recommendation of a caucus, then the people no longer possess that right. Now, sir, suppose that a con gressiunal caucus should nominate for the presidency, Mr. Crawford or Mr. Adams, will not the gentleman from Rowan still posse it the right to vote for Mr. Calhoun f Will he not po" it in as full and plenary manncrS fl HO hut Jui h l ever been made f Will he not exercise that right, sir f ! think the gentleman will not negative either of these questions. And, sir, If he possess the rigfci, and will exercise it, hnw doet he, or can he differ from any other Individual, nay from the very humblest Individual in the commuol ty, as to the possession of any right com mon to the freemen of the land f If the gentlemsn from Rowan possesses tho right, which he cannot deny, then every other individual possesses it the people possess the right (even though a caucus does make a recommendation) to vote for any person as president. But we am told, that the members of a caucus, in ef feet, declare that the people are incompe tent to make a choice, because tbey mak recommendation of a particular individ ual. The gentleman from Rowan, Mr. Speaker, will recollect that he, and seve ral other of the most respectable individu als in the western part of the state, me,t in caucus, tn this city, not merely to re commend a president, but to destroy the present constitution, aa4 recomwiMM. 10 the people the n'- V .' , They did draw up a new one theydiH recommend its adoption to the people. Now, sir, when that gentleman, who is one of the most active and influential members of this toniH'ution caucui, and who was mainlv influential in getting it up ; when he recommended to the people, the adoption of the new constitution, did he thereby declare them incompetent to choose for themselves ? or by recom mending them to vote for a particular set of resolutions, on a particular constitution, did he thereby deprive the people of their right of voting for any thing, save the thing recommended? He would sup pose this a harsh interpretation of his la bors on that occasion ; he might surely call it a foolish and ridiculous one. Yet, sir, I cannot well imagine two cases moro precisely similar. Both meetings aro caucuses, both meetings recommend a certain course of conduct to the people, both are voluntary and self existent, and neither of them have any power or author ity, save what is afterwards given to them by the voluntary act of the people. It is not unfrequently the case, Mr. Speaker, that with the unthinking, a good cause) sustains injury by being christened with an evil or a ridiculous name, and an evil cause derives support from the contrary fact. I think the mends of the resolu tions are attempting to play off that policy on the present occasion. The very gen tleman who puinta in such odious colors the features of a presidential caucus, you find the most active and influential in tho caucus whose object is to destroy thr very constitution of the country those who declaim the loudest against congressional caucuses, are delighted with the pro ceedings of county assemblies and town II1CCL1IIL 1 . auu I Lll Hll llOtfV.. M UUIU . :,.. . ... . i j.. .... .. .. u puxzle any of these gentlemen to point out a sensible difference between the sev eral assemblages. Let us examine if there be any difference ; let us enquire what a caucus is, and whether there i any thing so very odious in the term. . It is not, sir, I believe, a primitive English word, whenre it was derived, or when or where, or how it was adopted into tho language, I am unable tossy. A caucus may be defined te be a meeting of indi viduals assembled in their private capa cities as citizens, for the purpose of car rying into effect some particular object. From some cause or other, not necessary or material to be known, it has generally, though not necessarily, been appointed to meetings of a political nature. I believe this is a fair definition of the meaning of the word ; and I can see no difference between a congressional caucus to recom mend a 1 resident, and a convention cau cus to modify the constitution or a coun ty assembly or town, meeting to recom mend similar measure ; in point of p-in- ciple, members of congress attend the one, in their pviyatc capacities; the others ' are attended oy me citizens,, ann also uy your justices of the peace, captains, co lonels and generals of militia, merchants. doctors, lawyers, and constables in their private capacities, and each express their opinion on the subject." I see nothing mproper in this, sir ; to be sure we did not appoint the justice or the constable, or the general or congressman, for the express purpose of recommending a pres- idjWJJMftUXjEM k equally cer- .... -i. . ... t.iln thai til A Stiff hAf Inluttil Ah .i...";!"! t. " Uatenti6lWeSc&tlnir to deprive . them of the right of expressing their opinion on the subject, or of 'recommen ding their adoption to their fellow citizens. hc people Way ratify-or reject the re commendation, at their own option. Believing, sir, as I do, that they all stand, as to constitutionality, on equal ground, i lure no hesitancy in saying,

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