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Aty Letlere to the Editor mast Tie pbti-prnd, CONC3RES3. if.ini'-vuiit'- I Imtti'eJiately after llie Speech of Mr Ray- neri ( wnicn is iu me course mnmcnpuga Dy um iteponers, ar j . wiu oe puuusnea m poh as ready for .v ; "-'.v!s Mr SuEPABD. of North Carolina, rose and said : This debate - had alreadr ocruoied so Ion; a time, that he did not knbir.-that he could throw any light; on the sabjecU Bo 'as his coarse toad d0ered ia some; degree with thai of some :' sreotlemen- on. that Hoot ht fclt.fr but ah .aci of jasticV or himself that brief eiDl this body first assembled here, ' certain gentlet neb from the State ,of New Jersey, appeared with a certificate similar to that twhich ho,' (Mr. S. possessed, 'ft Af nd- on t recurring - to 'she jaws of New Jersey, made in pursuance .tf the Constitution 6f the United States, he J authorized Ltd receive the returns of, the eleb. iiacs in the different townships in the State, tthe aecouutof Uie votes, and lo give com amission to those who had a majority' bf the Whli nuntbetf of votes. Those gentlemen jho appeared here .'had each a commUsion from the Governor of New Jersey according to the law of thai State, made in pursuance of the ;Constltati6n of the Federal Government tlt seemed tojtherefbre, that he had' nb aright to say on that occasion; that they were not entitled to seats here. His opinion then wae,- that their right to associate with htm and others who -consututed the-House ; of Rebresentativei was as rood and valid as he right he himself possessed, ." The Gov- returning officer of that'State; He did net aiiacu any, peculiar sigiuncance 10 tne vtov rnbir acting inJis official capacity but enljr : ids ttie returning officer of -the State of New? i--?$ok'i suppong that "the Congress of the United States should pass a. law; and take 4rbM New;1 Jersey its . power, or supposing . thlt ifrey shoukl appoint btreturning officer ibfleach State, , whose.duty.it should be to make the returns to this - Hbuse it ' seeUied 'to him, (Mr. ; S.I tht ihe;;argumettt in 1 that rytn Vduld be that the .'returns made Jby; art Vfficer of the Federal , Go yernment, ; would be regarded as valid" oantil proved to be false and tiinfair. ' So it Was how with resrard tb a re tarning officer in the State of New Jersey.- ; Tffe offiqer wa ippoinied; by "the. Governor Sunder the law of the' State.. .He.' therefore.1 'acted under the sanction of the Governor and mnder the Governnient of New JerseV itself. Now,' it had been'the usae both inHhis Gov-1 ernmeni anu ine 1 paie uovernmentsas well .khat Gbv'ernmeni fro adliour InstUuUbnsto regard the acta of the :rsturning officer aa. valid and.' binding until jprbved to be false; -TTbts 'waj'nht view he -XRItfS: took -at the time f the jgendeineh; api peared here, 'and m U fwa f the view; he ..no w ,took. And were thesame thing to be acted -over again, a regard for what he considered the law and ' Constitution j Would v make him J lake, precisely the same course,- He Would not go inte an argument cin Ihe subject, as he hjtd said in the commencement of his remarks. it had already been very fuljy discussed,' and much more ably and.efficienUy than he was C(jual to, .'And he hoped 'that he; had too jnuch respect for' the gentlemen around hi mi .to enter into a long series of .hitrangUes and repetitions of an argument which; -tRey had , heard a thousand i times tie would, desist i 'Trom doing ab. . l?ut it had been said on the other hand, suppose a fraud" had been com "shitted. , Now. that was bbssible: a fraud might have been committed, as frauds often JUavebeenon; other occasions. .But, in Ins opinion, in -a preliminary- proceeding, the members of his house had ko right to inquire 2 M'to h matter ' j .Admitting; for instance ahat fraud haJ been cdinmitted.'rlvhat, he tvould. ask, jrasi the. highest evidence that ould be received in proof of the election of : a member who first presented himself and re-' Weired a seat, in this Housed - Again, might not a fraud be committed in anj oilier way ! , There was. the certificate and commission of . . ihe Governors Might not a fraud be com-' . mitted in. the certificate from the returning of ficeras vreU a, the certulcalebf the Governorl , ThersfoTeiirran;earlyaUgeof ingt it , was improper to inquire into that matter ; in dotnso. we should . be thrown - into anarchy;and confusion. Something had ; been aaid respecting the. technicalities of the t law. ! . No w&he considered those: very tech- nicauues we oui warx or justice, in nis own political coarse, that which j had passed, and f that' which had to come, he intended to bind , himself down to strict law,' however disagree r'ibieit..mighibejf'X''-??.4,:f U-F0t these cppis6$? and others with -which he would not trouble the Hobse, he had been luuuceu 10 vote tonne resolution or the gen he should claim the attenuoa of the House for a few momenu, while he madef a1 very1 anationJ 1 ' When : the members of ileman from Virginia,; (Mr. - VI ise, which 1 wasi that those gentlemen who had the: cer- tially decided upon -The great argameni and glonoas people from which ' We : denre tificate of the' Governor wer4 ventitledvto.be last week waithat we' Could pot tnljuire intq! all our insiitatinSj and especially thf . greaC put on the roll, ;;H (Mr.B.)' yotedou that the tneris of (be question, hecause.tbe House; the greatest of them: allt:he principle of pub proposition, which' boweVer, t was: lost jD roajorUyof 'thre.- Jo the subsequent pro; .admitrima?ae$t tionThe gentleman? said he had been, in ceedingsj the gehtfeman from 'Virginia offeri the Gorernbri rtinieThesttragthor dornied-'thal the: practice of the British Par ed aner rMoluUorwhlch: was, that those I having the cerUficate olaiejBoTernor w pjalterpflbtt m wie organizauon 01 wis ouuy. jui mere he round he was in a minority; again, or rathejrereiraa tidnvald;)hesotuUon; was, losf-t i- On Sajn urdaj;tnorning.4he gentleman fromVVirginia mtrouueea a intra resolution, ana; a motion I waSvmade to lay it on the table,' and he- (Mr. 3.y Voted; fbrvthe, motion.: 'And he' had. risen I at tliis UmeVmo.te.with a view tb explai n the reisott why.hc; had done so, than far .any etlier purpose. It appeared to him, that suf ficient time had been spent in! the discussion ' a ' ;.- ' " 1 n"t-j l'" -j : J -iLi.L ot ttus suDjeci, anui an naa-oeen; saiu woicn was calculated to throw any light on it. " He thought that the dignity of the members of Uiis House, as well as . the business of the country, required that we 'should put an end Urthis matter r-therefore he had voted to lay the resolution on the table,' -but the motion tency in hiscoursein reference to those twot votes. ;rWhere the question had Jbeen dis tinctly: represented.to him, he had 1 voted ac ino IU4t WT lUUI.fUKI. UO mm yw UV UCUUS1- cording, to' the dictates of his conscience and unuersianuiiig. x)ui ine presiamg omcer, no w in the chair, would remember that the rules and proceedings of this House of Represen tatives had been established as the rules of he meeting before the Speaker was appoint ed.! Now, it seemed : to. him (Mr. S.) that, according to thoserules'and proceedings, the question bad been settled finally, as far as it could be settled by that preliminary course bf action. Hence, thgrefore, he voted to lay I tne rvoiuviou an hib wtuic. uut uc ujusi jiav, that, he had voted for the two resolutions of the gentleman fronv Virginia with the greatest reluctance. In what he was now about to say he was far, very far from impeaching the motives of any gentleman on this floor; or any of the gentlemen from New Jersey who held.eertificates. , Nor was he disposed to imDcach the character of the authorities of New Jersey. ' But when he had heard read a-Btatemem irom xub oecrciary 01 oiaic vi WewlJereeyVTWhwlrrF thosb.men did not obtain j a mai ority of the votes of New Jersey j and when. too. he lieard'it affirmed, and not denied by the gen- Uemen themseWesf, .that two of jtlie returning officers had fafled to return voles given at their respecue polls ; and when also he bad heard that the tovernor had admitted the fact,' and that this House' was 10 reciiiy uie error, anu inai inuso gen 1 Uemen made an oer to, their opponents to 1 resign iheit: seats andgo'. before the people I ' .' , . ... . l. 5 K:i.ti..i : "ji t ior a secona uiai, ne icuinirascii ; ouuuu 10 1 have the strongest suspicion about the whole j matter, t He then -believed that -there . was something wrong4-that some fraud had been J cnuMsu w jB.caw',uit.m m j cuuiu oe ap po 1 q icu ( anu lie, wipugiif 11 1 man mai uireciiy- proceeutngs siiouia o naa. lie to tea wiin j an auspicious moment to go 4nto he whowi without one single) the gentleman on that-quesuonw't Il (Mr I procee(ling f"orhim thought they were enttUed to heirfets; tnyImpfomi foli t?keaiiitirtht questioitf autlidrity Quoted f that theyjought to be allowed to .jote for a I was decided. Evenlhe treat financial q com mi ilea oy wie rc.uiutug wui vets, yu wciy Batu suu ucuy uiav u aauurai uuiiiwrrup naiter uie people inai iney may gorern ineni, fore,;nejtahf, it wai with the greatest reluc ed t:urrent of the precedenU is ia favor if as oner pais ;:a wild horse that ' he maf ; ;ride tanee that he obeyed the strict letter of . the . the opinions I have heretofore expressed.-. bimU So sacred has this right been regarded, taw in opposition 1 to abstract jusUce. This- The first case, relied on'by the gentleman! aVno one- in the BriUsh House of Corn was his- position, i and he, spoke the more was the case of Meauland Spaulding; a cas; moiis has ever dared to question it, nor ia the -strongly because' one . party ' hadJuseUSthe; in the facts of which there is no shade of dij American Congress 'until now. Why has forma of law. to cover up a despicable trick, and Hhe other desired to break through the taw to get abstrct justice: That was thjej Veal state of the 'iaUestion' Andraa i "he hadn already said, beiner a law-lovioff man. he vo- wa w susiain me lawio sustain ine gentle- men who had certificate from the Governor, He had known cases bf this sort to hare fre- fluently occurred in pnvatelife.and where gentlemen claiming to have legal titles to property have no .sucbthmg. ; A. man who wis in that position coutd sustain himself .at least for a time f for the law says he who is in possession of the property shall be consi dered' as entitled to it until proved otherwise.1 ';;He (&fr; S.) had now come down to , the proceedinga of yesterday ; and he must say that he never was so. surprised in his life as at' them. : Immediately after - the Speaker took the chair,' attd the members were being sworn to preserve the ConsUtution, the gen tlemen , from , N!cw Jerseyfvwpnt up to the ClerkU table to take, the oath..,; . He would forbear! to make any comment on . their con duct. Probably thev had a right tb do so. But it seemed to him tliat they had mistaken the proper rdurse they should have followed. Now. the Sneaker was elected : but we all knew that a.-- great struggle. had taken place in reference to f the1 election of that officer: one set of men wanted the gentlemen to come in and take Iheir ' seats,' and another said that they had no right. Did "not every r'one see that Uie object. was. that lljey might vote on the election of as Speaker ? v- Now, if any. right had been violated, it could not be re called. He thbught their right, had been i- blated in.' not letting. the. genUeinen come in and vote' forpeakerVtiJiadibeendp, and what more could be said about the mat ter? -They had a right to participate in the organizauon 01 me itouse,' ana ne naa vptea to give them that, right But now that the nouse nau oeen organizea, ana a ppeaKer appointed, who, no doubt, was . an impartial mail "ml n.nlit ' !.'i'lla ..u!.lIn.at 1 parties, why not submit the whole subject for their examination! Why -not appoint! a 4 r ; privaieges, i-aatt send for persons and papers, and lei therir go iuw mu cmiaauenot tne whole eoourover - sy f r- Why not let 'the whole: case -he imparl this reaon was no w rone-the Speaker waslf House was;organized the comltends Now sir. I will fnfoim the rgenUe. uuve, ana me late 01 wmcii prooabiy-wouta depend on Jjthe decision of these contested election eaW1gttV:?ai4''bTef imtt ;the House Hecidedvwlio tshoiil Representalives from New Jersey : and ie wouia say, that no man in ihjs country was mere anxious that the grest political qoes tions now pending should ; be decided nat quickly; ajwssible Bu that a tsrniinatibn should be'put to these dai-; ly scenes, he did not) desire to accompIUb that object at the expense of justice, and byr. thQ sacrifice of honor. He repeated, that M wished gentlemen would at once consent to refer the wholcf ; subject to a committee for investigation, and then, if U was found Uial these gentlemen were entitled to their seats,'! they should' have them : If ' any injustice! .t" .V . i a - - ffi - e I had been done them, and "they really- had ' right to vote Rr Speak"ertwby,'it could liafc now.oe neipea. anere naa oeen a greai many tubiects introduced into the debate this question as, for instance, nullification State rights, -c which had nothing wlut-i ever to do with it. No one wanted ' to'disifl sev should not be reoresented on this fioorJ I We want to find out what is. really the will' of the.People of Uie Suteof N w Jersey;" MiuTHOMPsos or South Carolina, roseH and said We are told by the irreat master r that the sole use of an exodium is to ..aecurti I the favor of the audience, and I shall tlftrefbrb make no other than toeav that ( shall detain ine nouse out a very ie w minuies. t way 1 be remembered, sir. that I said a few dayij since that I would follo w theusage and pre I cedents upon this subject, whereeee vei they might lead me: such has been and ismy.de termination: and whenlthe honorable me msl ber from Virginia (Mr. Dromgoole) so fim I wiffly said that the precedents were au -m nw i favor; and referred to certain cases; I 'siid '4a IfobiHeaiflfoih sbi'I should change my vole nave l sibeff obtained the book quoted by the gentleman; and: I assure you, sir, that never .have I read never with: so keen a : zest have I devoured' one of Scott's romances. I before thought 11 was. riglju now I know it. If a gentleman cjT the acknowledged talents of that gentleman) I auer me most taoorious researcn, net out;- not able. to find a single precedent.m support of his position, but when every one he hai .r..i.'l"'iV. i.jiLk tr reueu on 1 aposiuve auinoruy against nimji I may. well say that Tknow lam right, g farther t I will out it out ofthe bower of ihe boldest-od the opposite side to stand up hert ference with this. . -in that ease, -Meadrwat I returned as elected. This return was 'ol I taihed by excluding the votes of ai :coun where Paulding's maierity would hive ed the result. Yet Mead took the seat, 01 t ine return ; ironi wmcnne -was , aiierwarui (evicted by the regular process of reference lo I and examination by the Committee of Ele 1 tions. So muchvfor that.T The next Was the case of Herrick, Where, the member, halH inz the commission took the seat, and ; held it until the matter was. settled in JtHb same tivay. So much. for that. . The. next, was .tlVe case of Ed wards, who had no certificate sir commission,but a private, letter saying lha$ he Was elected. Whilst the House was yetdi liberating the regularcommissibn arrived.aiid he took his seat..:' The ."next; was the Penif- I sylvania case, .where sylvania case, .where the Governor refusal to' decide the question, ard would commilf sioa J neithexof the claimants, but reported the facts to tKHause ; neither could tale the seal,, because neither had the commissiCn or certificate of election. Is that a case whi(ri can be quoted as aiUhority; in a case ;Whe;?e the seat is claimed under n : regular cbmmls- sion I -1 tie only remaining case "was ; the I famous Vast welPas infamoui case of Mooib i and Xetcher :- In that case, on Uie , face; of tne paper itseu .was the lact stated which-viu ated that commission. : It was error pateht upon the face of th,e title or, to'Speak more trulxr a glaring, flagrant fraud upon "the, very face of the 'paper itself. Besides, the stanrl-ing- aside -of both the claimants.; was j tHiif own actj the result f their own agreenlevt, and not the act of the House. .NowilsOrV these are the authorities, and lhe only f au thorities, which the diligent research of t ke eenUeman and his friends have been ablei to adduce, and I kdo w- ahat mv friend i valu l these-authorities asthe apple of j his eyeJ ne wonia not give me tne volume, mr i ar that ! might turn up his ogared pages I and that he could not agam find ;uem.f Ax I mlm mk l llian f I Ttixi... ...Mnil.ihr him- Have I not scattered thoje authoritlss I into thin air't and dare the boldest-faced rtr; ttizan now lo.nse anu ssy uyt ine preeeuejtu I are not, with one excepuoa, as 'J have staltd 1 them I ... - Whajt -has been the practice of . that great liament had Weo that for VWhidt he con4 me opposite nas ever oeen. exception; the practice of here saffdy rst upon the fromthe Iex ParHarhen- end from . North Carolina. sure l express the unanimous; sentiments or the House when I call it- ablend eloquent; It is an authority -exprrs.s.'unequirocaU nd .admitting1neir;b) But,s siri IwiU-staIaW .ofWtrecent occurrence in the , House oli Common?. ,.. I state it 'on the authority of the distinguished meinber Trom -Massachusetts, (Mr. Adams. And I only; siate it inlf rrhe ' appre benstbn that, in the contest for, tne floor--a contest purely physical he may not be able ter. obtain it to state it himself. A stronger case, 1 do not hesitate to say cannot have occurred, infinitely stronger than that which we ;are cousideringV" TZXz''.Z S " In the year1834ltHere was a'vqte.onu i test - question in the House of Commons a- gainst the Ministry. The alternative 1 . -1 was presented, according to a great principle of popular rights which ;wonldl to God . pre vailed in this more popular I Government of oursthe : Minis try must .resign or Parlia- meut be dissolved. The King chose the lat ter, and appealed to ton took place. ! Tl the People; A new elec The seats of six Opposition bted lb tte electiol of Speaker.vOTe votesk vote stood for Abercrompy, the Opposition candidate; St 3; for Sir Manners Sutton, the Ministerial ran- didate 310 a, majority for the Opposition of sixrvptes: There were ix O'ppositibnseats' contested, ana every one ot the six aiier wards turned out by the House. ; If et they had Voted for Speaker, and their votes carrieJ the election. :y And thereupon . the Peel 41in isthr resigned. ' It never occurred 'tb 'the, ikiinisienaipariy even 10 quv?on mid ngui of .these members to .take, their seaU, al- though the consequence was the less . of their seals and offices. This, sir, in a; Govern- tlment in form less free than ours, where the theoretical J richts of the1 People are hot so great asa ours 1 andTwhot' jt is the constant habit tu say, are less Tree , tnan we. - u nere. sir, no man has; ever dai'jitoejr-vtoonragt. popular rlghu and feelings as to contend lor the contrary. Whilst considering such prac tices and principles among that great People, I feel a just pride that no drop of blood flows in my veins that does ' not spring from that glorious race, hot unmingted with shame and sorrow' at what is passing around me, and a scorn a proioona scorn lor mose earning and jesuitical hypocrites who, with profes- sions of regard for the rights of the People forever on , their lips, are striking. a. deadly blow at the dearest of all popular rights 4. This, however, is no new, thing; it has been so with ly rants and demagogues in all timeV As has been'so well said, they . may it not been done! j Have We not heretofore had neriods bf close abd violent nartv i strife aywisir, of faction itseliVlhich ik dignity auu Tiiiuc, is iu ill ii v; ii uqhmui ptiij, - ty is beneath patriotism T No,we have had such times, but I irrieve to know that slthouh the times were the same, the men who acted in them were different--very different. There was then same reran! for truth and j reason of even Somei all. eo to r establish the . right of the member having the return righifafly or not to take the seat, but say there can be no time more fit than the present to change that rule none, sir, can be moie unfit. Do not genUemen owe. t il to their own characters to adhere to a rule practised upon for centuries in England and in this country, from the?1 foundation of me uovernmeiu, wimoni one exception, ana not nqw 10 cnange uie ruie wnen a pre sent party benefit is to be obtained by thus acting i - oirt we- snoutu no onty act cor rectly, but so act as if possible to avoid the imputations even of impure mouses. We should not establish a new rule to obtain T a present advantage, as a politician who is for ced, as the most honest nav sometimes be, to. ehange his party position, should neither seek - nor i receive qfficend hands of his old enemies and new associates. "' The gentleman from North-Carolina (Mr. Shepard) has thought i necessary to explain the . apparent inconsistency of his votes npon this subject ; and, whilst, in the - general , t; desire o -avoid the argumentum ad -Abms- num, as neither, pleasant nor vprontable,f I propose to discuss the reasons eivcn by the iejemaQrhtaeh "fair , some nine res pec I or uie ueceucie i iitig, fiocm piutccumg wu yi yii ucr .01 na nuuo 01 -vispreciino ' J li I hmillrt 1.a political life.' I J ;: der. . It was not decidedr-there cwas iw pos- yearsVand in his course herel be had endea- irettUemen admit that the precedents itiye action of, the -House the Droposition I vored to be euided by what he considered to ahjecof;diec If 1 cannot eeer how it is that these did oot beirun that discussinnandl shall, thereforeri influenee his vote in the first instance; but. consider them, andl'thinhl Hainbowif notWtheatisiactibnWthe-rendematt'h se that of every bther-man: on tbr rfloor; that, if he has no better reasons thanlhose he has gi ven, he ought not to have ehanged his vpte. 1 -If his position is not indefensible. She ji . r jr' t.. ,fi. n:.L ...a. j cenainiy na noi ueienueu iv - uoin wis coram of debate and mv relations .!, to thai See Petiiameiitaiy. I)pbtcs, vol. L, psge57. geiitleman forbid thatl should impute, to him an intentional error.-IjwiUootiusinuate it, as-1 do .not believe itv :hm ji.i 1 ' j The gBntleman's first reason why h(i shouldj rote against' tlie members fronts Neir'Jersey taking their seals i, tliat he will thereby save time. If these members are' entitled o their 'seats j: their right is .derivedlf ram Uiej3oniti- tuuon will fihe f genHematt i tiolate m t :: w save time t t's the sacred to a "freemaa th most sacred of all rl-hts the right t be re- presenieo toat ngm, un, ucieuc? oi wiucu our fathers 'declared and aclueyedloUeinaUon? al independence art the rigliti fit tWO hun-t drea.and : arty; thousand treeinen, ana- inosq Ttgnis gu we have such small the member so "fc;'WUl"the gentlejaaajreaUTrsave? time " sjvd plates are.conuaiswonea uy the Uov Thm fhi r ; tiraL-rT tti Aiminm Ur. h Ternori.: -.Can a Secretary of - Sunt commit Htrase ; . the- Rouse cannot avoid.lhi ques- trontb-gVQde49an:.:musf-yote,'ay: it wui wae mm longer 10 aay ay uian; no, oy 1 the difference between and by that only, ? will he be able to measure the time which he will save 11 hopef that the gentleman will rejoice to find that hishroteto save from violation the rights of rthe People ofNew JerseyV his bwn convictionso rights mnA thiLt nniii'tniir.n i!--ifl -.-Will hlrftofflAm time than aviolatmir ofll ll his second reason ? It is thisTr that ybu have already deprived New Jersey olTher tqln the election of Speaker that step youMunbf retrace, and you, may as well, therefore; le the matter resV In -trther words as the genUemao himself 5 believes, inostin- eonUnehUvr nnjusUy, rand unconsutuaonally deprived New jersey it one right ei go, you it required to d haveximprt 9ftrtiirinatinr on,i ; fhrfnr nmnpr thni vrtn .hmihi ! notallow iu merabersflo vote in theeljfectianl of- Clerk i. and "Printer.- r A ruffian, without pretence of right, takes my horsje, iaud I am to be lold bya just judgemost assuredly he had no right to. the horse, but, as tli horse is now dead, the thing is .past remedy,and therefore I must not Tesist hia seizing, my plantation and negroes.: That is the argu ment; stated in terms almost identical I dti not understand the endeman as' claiming that the formerdecision before the House was or ganized has any, positive, authority but that; as Dy uiai uecision ine ohw wh uenipu one right of great practical importahcerhe jfelt un-. der no obligation tb yield other rights J We, sir, are iiot -the judges of ihe 'importance, of rignis uemanueo ot us oy; a overeirt oiaie burbnly whether they are rights ; if they are, there is 6n end to our business we must concede them. If the members front New Jersey had the right to vote for Speaker, it was because ; that right was secured td their State by the Constitution, and because those members presented the requisite credentials. That Constitution: "and those credentials- are thesametoay that they were ob Monday i,t iftUv ,h. Ked rieHito.'thbv Ka th.m stilL-But raf Xcolleague (Mr RhettVdqes regard the former decision as strictly jn Pbr- liamentary raw binding upon us I wilt; here; in passingvsay s; few, words upon thatpoinL n il i!. -T. J'.l 'i;'-..ll,Ji:!ii-'.'J. :.r-T oy wnnm was inai decision mauc r r py ine House 1 "T No; sir b v an Unorganized assem bly of gentlemen who had the prospect of,- as well as the title to, seat in the House when il was 'formed no mo'rea House ' tiian an egg ls 'S "chicken-no' more tliari 1 a eg from one man, an: arm -from another, and: other members from others, is a mannol more than a handtutor broomsedge growing 111 a field is a broom it was not a House, but the disjecta membra "of a future House. Its de cision was no more- binding than it would have been if a majority of . the members on their way to thiS place had jraetbn a steam- ooat and so decided'.' But gras'jt decided ! It was not. If it was, an(J that deeisibn wasj FAAM M.WA.jkBAt.tt mm 'M J!"1 MM , I was not rejected, v it Uroppeu, . and it is in order at any time to take it np. The vote . was a. tie. Will gentlemen, , dare they, ."dis franchise a whole Slate on a tie vote,,rever- sing ali i, previous rule aud precedent T : . It is Wl worse r it is well known that, .but lor the. visitation of God, there is a clear majority bin our side the side of the Constitution ; And ul nic mio vi iM wvuutyuwu ,auH if any thing can t be:added to Uie picturb, itis, x wimj w wjwcu w miv viv, , Uiat this is; accomplished by t members who not only, ihinkit wrongl but : uciicc i in Tiuiimuu m .ciiartereu ngnw. oui suppose u.,nau oeen ueciciU oy ine mm m. ' . a m ' . - House itself; does a decision, do any number of decisions,, . of any body whatever, consc- waw a iiw.uuu ut uij 'UUUluuiUUU a. 1.VUI, sir, in the political bc9bol4hwhicli:nTy;ebl- lieague ana myself nave been brought up. ) bf the gentleman from North Carolina! tHe had seen the certificate of the Secretary of oiaie 01 mew wersey an unaumorizeu, un- Official certificate and therefore' no evidence at all V and he Wd seen xeruin siatementa in sotne newspaper fast summer,; and these bad excited his suspicions that air was: net as 11 should be: in the llnirUaM of the Jfrencn- 1 manvl bwueet; -f fas dy didnot lhenViI?sBi wholly al los mrr What; iirTfi. 1 the present stale 01 ; me cae 1 : e nave on the one side alLJdiat M-rcquire4 by'lheJCoh stitntion and laws ; iestimoay full and cotn- petent, but, w s the t present ;sugef eonly competent testimony the commission pf the Governqr-Tthat is pn lis face a certificate, of election to. all the world, but really to this body alone, because it was to this body alone I : . 1 T. r - 1 - ...i ' ' ' r 1 1 . J- earthl'bse is such certificate but to assure us .; of Uie result' of th election! and bf what oseT as to us,-if, wilfiout one particie of evidence, we may disregard it p .1 siy here, sir in ray . . placed and defy" cbntradictibaj that as yet we: hare no particle of iestimbny rto 'ebntradier Uie prtmd JdeU evidence of the Governor?s ;commisions; tiothlng which any raan,wheth-f er ii lawyer wo will cajl evidence.' What liayb vre ? NbUiing buTtlie certificate of lhe?, Seiretry bf Statel - la the Secretary of S tate jdirected br iutlioriiedfto give sucha eertrfi cJ9Th6 CovbrUer bf thb Stale !1s alone thus empo Wered; ; and, being so, no' other t.: tf. heriff pr a ceunty n v the ground' has counted thevptes, .ana louna an- , r"4--" W,W,,3WT " , , , , i -y 11 wJ W w ! i? V?; well m in thU ? . ,He cannot, because he, n PW on?a-rcnl m VWm? ernor - - much less to ndever ;..lhe act ef th Governor;, ;Tie governor nas given a com-j mission to ; rerlaian gentlemen 1 it js. either nothing, or aood commjssionunUl juvali dated by the House m the Tegular; vryM the power, of-the retar w,4o vouch that act omeoveruiir,? tmt power act htmselt;-. hs; certificate of .the Secretaj therefore unauthonuuye a Tn . c'cu. ' for. alUiouglt lie is Secretary of State tliw is, Smiths had jnuudeu .into the omce, counted oo, au. n wie ceruacin s inia evHIcnccf sirl h Why,4even tKe gentleman doernat pretend tliat it is,! but says j thai is sufficient to excite his suspicions and would the-gendeman et aside X clear, f adisy putable tide,' on . mere suspicion r.He Ways so.-l He likens this to a ease where there is on one side presented to a Judge k clear titled free from all blemish or defect, to a pieces of land ; bnthb other side safemens nbtlrvt dtnet afe made- which' excite suspeiod et fraud, and upon this he would decide against thb Wtl title: JWe irt told ofia JudpjeibfJ another tribunal, (not of ihjs world,) whose : is worse.: ' a nai was 10 punisn, ana uien in cut. wa. in their igainst it onSup a suspicion isiraUed in the mind of the gen tlemnhe will take from !?50r000 freemen their right bf representation, and violate - the Constitution; witliout waiting the tedious and annecessary'prbcess of heariug the evidence; These are the gentleman 'three reason.-. It tea happens lathis world of outs lluf the reasondoes fiot dictate die courser' but thaWthe cot wards looke . In conclu wards looked for. t 1 .; u stool "'Mr.' Speakeivll would ap.f 5 neal to my honorable colleague (Mr; Bbztt) ,. (for, although altogether friendly, I have that sncbrUncate'ie'necbasary;i.''Of whatr not ine same long scanning reiauoaa wiui mo . genilemattoti Nbth: Carolina- would ' appeartb my blleaguey'eidmlyviewhie , -opituons." 1 f have always known.and this. - nouse naa nau a recem cxauiuic, uo uu that high.' moral courage which tr required tbji resist'lhe Importunities: of party associates otf a great and vital question--1 call upsn.hira, I adjure him by all the past struggles for pop ular rights and , the -rights of .the' ( States in whichi we have jstood side Jby sldelp; reei amine the subject, and, if he finds that he s in error, I doubt not thai he wiU.have the -firmness to aay so.i -4? US nxX : ' Mr. Sukpard said, that he had been mem- S . . A it. TT 1 I T . AM . . mm.mm4 ft W mMmW 4 be his duty to himself and the People whom he had the honorlin : part tojrepresenU 1 0n ; various occasions he had taken a couree Whiqlt he knew to have been unpalateable to .some"1 genUemen odthat floor, and they had shown I their disapprobation of it in numerous wavs. lie was not responsible to them, nor anybody l CISC, CXCCpV Ml vnOSOfWflO VCUt III to the country at Lrtfe And he I else, except to those, who sent htm here, and "; less as anvlmember in that House 5 that he 1 ia uie country, ai. urge. anmiB uwpButui i.wouiu netiner vieiu w ,naiwrj wiui7,Jo m m m. mm a . mm m m m 1 aide, per bullying on tne ouier ne nau nm risen a few moments ssro to make an apology, I as the gendeman from South Carolina assert ed. jtke(MrS.)bwed napolpgvlIe-had " ; risen to put himself, fight before bis eblnsUui-; r ents ind. hi cbonlry because he knew that;. i the party organ;. which Was spread through- I but the country, Was. always disposed to hold . I np public men to odium. ; hey might think. . not unueriuuingxne inies 01 tae noos?j pr - ; being acquainted with the various optalons, of 3 genUemen, or Tme motives vby v which they ,ww? sciuaiea, mat iney were, oq cerww :(f ; ; casions, "inconsistent, twhen, .mey. we're perc .' fecdy cdnsisten't, , He repeated, tfieii ihathe , had not risen to mak noiij ithstanding the remarks from the gVnde- J man fronj uthXJarolina he-el t:r!;e4 with the correctness, of his. cb'nrse, ud bei" r i uevea mai every nonoraoiesna isprrjmjiiccu . ; man would 3aaHifyhyjeqntict;o Iwould nqviepeaf what he id eay Ilehad taid that when be first, met in Lis Heuse, he b; lie red '.that those membetsfrbm Jfitw Jersey tided to, take their seateind pax :; i; : .'. tlettioa of a SpeakerV t i.het'.ti.l ur.'-sifjl-.'i that' he had strong suspicion thai t!;cr:3:' I I! . -mC -1 4- : 4 V J -
The Raleigh Register (Raleigh, N.C.)
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Jan. 7, 1840, edition 1
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