THE
Number 446.
tfORT H-C AROL I N si GAZETTE.
September 18, 1778,
With the lateft ADVICES, Foreign and Domestic.
SEMPER PRO LIBERT ATE, ET BONO PUBLICO.
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LONDON.
E COMMONS, May 26.
R. Alderman Wilkes moved that general Jiur-
goyne (hjo'.d give an account at laige dl
what hnd happened within his fervice, as a
pobile man, from the time he went to Ame
rica till he left that continent.
Sir William Meredith objected to motions
criminating the eeneral, who had adled, not
Bte men tvhn here ignobly and ingloriouily vo'ed their '-country
10 bloodfticd and dctfruchon, but had ventured his life and bell
fervices. . " . "tj
Mr. Wilkes rifjn-j np to explain, . faid, I lay no charge to thf
kworable general; 1 was the echo of the pubhc voice, which
the Saratoga furrender of a whole Britilh army, v igno
aioioos and difgraceful to the voice of England, and of ali Bu
iopc; Itherefoi with that the honourable general be brought to.
a fa.r trial
Mr George Grenville wifhed to revise the committee en
Aerate of the nation, now tfifiUvcd, that tne Canada papers
mi2ht lie before them. , r J
Mr. Charles Fox laid, mat trie iame papers uugm u
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jt a new committee, wmcn nc wuum p. f
tbeftme refrluticns would not be pifled : H was for a thoiowgh ,
I j y taMAiMNAa hr wn, aiiorenenfive that jp n ier-
tain queltions Deing auceu, mc . -y. B "
wools had him to Ko into the detail for his own juitihe ui .n, and
m bis opnnefs ar.d candour, ne wimeu cu imc ,v
. ; nmn-rl. the whole unrefcrved difcuiiion of ihefe ine-
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u. 1 1 r'Jt :..nmini mt uh.itver mloht be the OCCcli J(
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lxrd IN u-ent delivered aann pancgnviv g-
1 I u:. m;iiMru talents, hut at the lame time
T21 CJtOyilC i,.....-. w.
tdtravou ed 10 juftifv Lord Ceorge fotrmaine. an J to call to tnc
it at- .1 ' . . f . -i r r iTrr drv 1 1 1 u die iiji i iiv
. Mttlili VI Wl
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... v;c on cart of the bonnets, had unucrmiy a-
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. , r .1 ,i4i- flu rhsrirti-f or Mr. Hur-
ww i .1 niiirv 1-. rri. nifltlv frc :n :he a 3-
ace of generals liowe ana var.viou, w
Mr. Alderman Wilkes's moiion was thrn rrad y the iptaK-r,
rich was 1 du bt'it . r
mitieeon the ltate and preient ittnation 01 ik -itndered
at Saratorja, ai d on vhat conditions general Burgoyne
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e:arnea to Ureat-JTititain. .
An amendment then moved by Mr. fox, and icconnea ny
t . n ,k r. ni Hint or me u 1 . : aim t
jr. .'HV, l t'.l til l 111- ini.iv.i. '
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i.urr a?r,i r. nurp t 11c. ...
Mr p,... ii .rnrirv V.s.l been at firft fufpended, hut
he houfe having before ccme to certain rcfolutions agamit the Jo-
oaraDlc gentleman new cn nis ocrenw, . -
curable gentleman, and to bis country, though all parties per
aps concerned were not prefent ; but the exculpation of the rftt
iller was the accufation of the honourable general. He had
3 i 1 n ? .c : . Ut hrJino that POVt'rn .
mfnr haH In faft eilablilhed a oerfeAlv pood conduct on the
fuppofed errors or mifbehaviour of the general, he wirned to ai- L
certain the truth-
Mr. Cornwall faid, that as the queftiori was fo fut in the for
mer committee, on this tranfaclion of Saratoga, the fault (and a
very great and ferious one it was) muft lie either upon the mini
fter for the colonies, or the general.; He thought both blamelefs
and praife wcr;hy. The evil lay in the fatality and incertitiido
of huirt3n afrairs, and the chance of war. He shojigh t it like
wife improper on. account of the concfffion of the honourable
member, from his fairnefs and honourable fentiments, to enter
on this inqaiution ; yet he thought it improper and unjuft to urge
the honourab-e gentleman on a fubjeel fo delicate and fo import
ant to himl'jlf. J
Mr. Cornwall thought the court of enquiry of general officers
now named, and perhaps a future .court martial, would be pro
per, but the houfe incompetent to the trial ; it never had been
done ; and in '.lanced former mifcarriages, particularly Mathews
and Lettock thirty years ago.
General flurgone faid, heunderftood the gentlemen who
made the motion would propofe queftions. He intended to end
with a motion of his own, to include the whole of tbefe quefti
ons ; but as the d bate fearted to take s 'different turn, he would
be tor th amendment. H fell occifion to invebe, in the fallefc
extent, tlie candour of the houfe,, for a man whole faculties at all
limes unequal had been expofed. He flood unconnected and un
supported, neither courting nor fearing parry, on the bafis of
truth and his own honour, to answer Mr. Wilkes up n the Trdi-
an alliance,' which he had always at beft conlidered as a necfiTa
fy evil. He determined to go the foldjcr of the Hate, not the ex
ecutioner; upon thefe principles he had conduced hirnfelf, not
withftahding what was alledged by his enemies feo the contrary
he had been obliged to run a race with the Congrefs in fecuring
the alliance of the favages; they courted and rempted them with,
prefents, as well as the B.itim ; he had in more inftances than.
One controled the Indians. In this town there is now a Mr. La,
formerly in the French fervice, now in the fervice of Great Bri
tain, who has merit ; he wilhed that gentleman, inftead of ac
cufing him (:hc general) of barbarities, had been called to the
bar of this hufe He is an ambitious and a fortunate man. In
stead of attacking a general unfortunate and unfafhionable, he
wiihed the nble lord at the hrad of American affairs, with whom
Mr Luc was very familiar, would ltate the fubftance of Mr
Luc's alleoa ions aeainft him : Difcharge the Indians he did, bufc
in fad M-. Luc and the Indians deferted. He was near putting
thit man 'o an ignominious death, efpeciaUy on account of ths
mafTacre of that unhappy lady wins nay. nc iojciy pmnm v,.
ard m h .ld cut terrors. Out not to carry them ini
tx"-ution The purport of the convention and other que'tioas,
he (houldrow anfwer: Mr. Vyner handed the lift of propofed
queltions. which ihe general read, and then I
Mr. Turner fpoke to order againit going into a committee
upon this bufinefs, much more againil the houfe going on the
prefent ltate of the matter. .MrvBurgoyne went on by Command
of the houfe, and at his own defire, wifhing for the committee on
the amendment made by Mr, Fox, becaufe he would prodace pa-
unra to nave no uiarc in mii 014017 ,
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