Newspapers / The Raleigh Minerva (Raleigh, … / March 24, 1798, edition 1 / Page 1
Part of The Raleigh Minerva (Raleigh, N.C.) / About this page
This page has errors
The date, title, or page description is wrong
This page has harmful content
This page contains sensitive or offensive material
X r-.. THE NORf H-JCROLINA MINERA, JSf V ErR: T I SER, VoK HI. Numb. 105. Pvri -- : - " - - C O N G RE S b. SPEECH of Judge CRaJK: of Maryland. " , (Concluded from our LJl ) I do not undertake to tit tet mine, nor do T think i' aeceffaryat this time, and in this placie, to cxprtls m opiniyn-yUporv-tlie general j!ieit ion of the policy t this government, in maintaining a-pohtical tonnedioi with the other nations of Hie world, ur of the pro prictjTof an exleofion or reduction of out picfent dir ploma'jc eitabliflitnthf, bicaufe I do not believe I pol- -fefs all the information ntecffaiy io a correct opinion --pm4te-4:ujcdT nenr. if Iund'.'i iiuQd piat gentleman, the diitinc 'on. which he took- etecn the fyltem of the mem tr from Virginia an J his own, was clear explicit and intelligent J he admitted that checks weie to be found in out goveumient, but that they were checks ope- Wiik- witlun each ceDSttment, he denied tuat trie low one. Does the gentleman pjetend that the prin ciple in this cafemutt be fettled befoic w can come to the expediency of the meafure, and that any diicutftiK of the expediency without a deuial of the principle is an .exprefs admifii'on of.,the principle ? That to ad mit tne.righrof the houfe of reprefentlfiVes to Iegif- nanner which could not be milundtrltood, but by th confided' ideas oftlut gentleman upon the fubjed He contended for inflate, that the legislative depart- eTTTslcTcullItutiojml checks within iifdf ; that the ly be confide red as that of ,any other individual of the I hufe of reptvfentatives was a.checi upon tli .fenatc, Commumty and hWid have no efted ascorrutg fu.iiri.-Ue ienate a check upon , the houle or reprclematives, me in my reprejentativecharader. I believe thcc n- and the Prefident,; who in this refpr.tt ic a'canfihucot ftitution has given to the executive the rijdu to decide i part c,fthe kgiflatutehas a check upon boih ;l .that upon this fubjed : the pmideiit can havTtlc LeTtTd- fTn "theex.ecutive department the fenatt- was a check vice of the nation, and will, no doubt take it ; if he ' upon thr Prefident v-. But he denied that the legifla - ihall at any'timc be-of opitwtiwith this -ndvice, and -tive department was' a -chck.upon the executive,., the all the-inform at ion before him, Which his onft.tuti-; executive upon the legislative, or cither, ur' JlJ oHareftaTSaer .furrjiiBes him -witli, tint the itterefts or j 'i;;.fv Hi ik-uo urn. .Uus luDje'ct I will admit the country will be-' promoted by '.a reduction of the j were very different froi.. thofe of gentlemen who ad- d."u,)ttmervts were checks upon each ether ; and he ;' late or deliberate upon the expediency of. the prtfent Aenc on to exempli J aiut explain ms etitinctioii -nvi tneaiurt,-JSo conceae-iue.prnicipic con;et)uea ror, in diplo m a tic i.-ft a I: ! j fli nae 1 1 1 ; ai he us the" right, fo 1 believe he will be :ii!pokd to exeicik, it. -As the peo ple ef, the United Siatcs, nrd wyfcU amcVBg ih.ji um ber have thotight ije could be fafely trufled wit.li the "excrcife of this right, I am net difpofed in this.cx paite manner to'qutili.on- either his wifdom or intcgri- - tj, hy withdrawing my fupport.,fiQm.him. . . Nor doaI conlider it n -ceiTdiy on this oc'cafion to vindicate him apainfl a charre of a fuupiid refolati on on his part to eleel to otiice only huh men as Ihall 1 of. harmony, concili-tfion and uuioti is the momentof vocated the very .extraordinary do&rine of checks, iriiroaucetl into this peuaLc uy me iiiuvci oi iic pic- fent amendment. , The checks contended for by thofe gentlemen arc intended to produce an eternal tlate of warfare and hoih'lity hetweeri tl'.e fovtral departments of" the government, that ccretuled for by the mem ber fro.n Connet'licut ( Mr. .Gritw,old) is defigned t9 promote hai nnny 6c Co, operation of thv departments ; according to thole gent. cnu:i s lyllem, the .tnoirjent in the genejal aecotd with him in opinion, ;;s to the bed mode of adnuniilering the government bee-tile I do not coufiderjhat fuchj" jefub the alarm, is t.Te moment requires defence, inafrntich . as 1 believe it woifld he jullificd Jby common prudence, and common esperi ence. Nor can I admit that the i'pps ud difficulties v-hich have been fuggeilid by. geiit!eir-en in this de bate, viz. the member from Ne YoVk 'Mr. Living fton) and.the rnemher from -Virginia (Mr" lrei t are olijedions-rrr the adoption of fuch a relohitiori, il in deed," I be'ieved th :t. the.i tiiT.c '.would .(hoVt Jy art ive, when the executive fliould be rcdictdto ihsfituutit.fi libr-ffiant of talents or intenjty,.arr.oiir tln.lr whi ginerallv approve of the mralou s of govern tit, s to compel h'i.r cither 'o n ake the hh eiien to ofTi'c -i from a cotitfCTy deleription of char; &u r r?.to i ofo k-al'fr''t"- th.meaiKer from V;riii';i bciig realized jn that r' opinion, or as the member from Virginia (Mr. I3re;u ) '"-'h'is rexpfelFcnlumlelf '"to'h'jilV'iht'o oiSce demagogues, who have no other r.ecommenr?at)oit.th:ih their nad 1 nef on all occ'afi.in.s, to ling Hal!tluh's.":to;.'Everu- -;-'U-ftrpowfe,F--:aod iflftoence -vl ftk-orififkr-fFftlt'-an event much to . be deplored ; then indeed fliould 1. he willing to give fome force to. thofe obj ftions,; biit a's I wih,not unnecpffilily LO didrefs nay iUr J-th;dl ot rnriTicipatf "an evil vyhich Hfcv.-Tcrfce:asditaiit..iiiqd as remote. as. it would be Serious and aUtmipg- if at i hand. , . Nor.Mr. Chairman,- do I think the pen'.leman from Virginia (Mr. Brent) has been very fortiiiiafe uvhis chpice of character -which he his made to invalidate the truth of an ohfervation which has been frequently . tpade, viz. tJiatlhe ExrcuTrveliJcrin no infUncf de viated fom fuch rulr,Mrr-th ivulicaiiaiiagxaii attifMftrHtir,5Ys" - this gentleman has though Ik to bring more.immedU ... &tcly into view this cturaftery which f fays is welt known, to have been frequently alluded to dunnsrjiifil "pt"cteW debaterXtTiertto might fafely concede "all that 6e has intiended.fot Tiirg on this, iccafipn wuh;ut bt ing coiidered Jus ptnygy rill " I might admitwith - 'frvtich (rutTr, that we ovc our prefent fituation with :tlie-F-FelM-"e-pblic-t'o that -rt-lciniinF'STrdir'win' he any gratification to the member from Virginia Ivlr. . Brent) or thofe who havrpuifiK'd the fame political ; "line of conducl, I am wiilihg-to -."a How them a parti cipation of thofe mtaftires which have produced this ', fiMtatfon. " If thiii lit nation is as the. 'gentleman from danger and alarm. .-Ttia.t 'mdment. the govtrn.nent is in fuch a fituation as that it can. act. with' any. valuable. For this minority to exert themfelves in llining.up in ternal war andiditreiitton in the departments., lfl.be licvc with the gentleman from Viroinia ( .Vlr. Nichtf las) that fuch mu't i-i the operation of republican sjovernm:ivts,.-sI Oioul.t thew agree with him mo it rea dily in another opinion, .whiell he has expreffed,, that republican goveriiments had a ftrong tendency to.deT jotif.n and tynrr-riy, for I will venttuH; to aftett, that out of fuch ' conftilion, fuch diforder, fuch a .-warring ;;pd hoftility of departments,- ttthe anarchy or del- notifm mud ntceffarilv at'H Ihortly. arrK'C. Bui fir, 1 't ar there at but httle. probibdity of the apprchenhon h;itDi';t)v, naio:i.and co I.t ei ilion Of the department. .' hieh. I coniider fo defirhle i: our government, and f neceflary its ufeful operation, fo.lonj as he (hall be.a member of cither of the tpsrtments. Accord Mr tit-IiisjQvyn riftcipNit will be his duty to keep a "wat t-Ti ful'e'y e Vp6n'rth?ir pproacfi to th.ts puintTnd to found the alarm i and' though he fhonidoc one cf a-vi r t uoiifr wrvovity-in-1 his4iouTeIrrcrrordoahx" but hris- trad attention, .and that he will fpeak loud enough to be heard at lealt by this niriarity cut-of thofjivaUs. If I could fee ftrong and alarming fyi-nptoms of a harT tr.pny of this h.oufe. with the execitive departments at this time I rnTght be b'e to account for fhc amen'd ment which, is now under confiderationr and the ftyje "orKeFlanSns ' watEiwiucirit was "introduced, I might. iSiJtilhBJ .w!iyv;tTitt Houie or repcefentaties is thus tcTte drawn up in bat tie array aguinft the executive. I will now nonce a few of the remarks of the fen all its latitude.. But when sfe.ntlemen ate prciTed hard upan the real que (lion in difpute, they then endeavour .ijLjip;eJTp.iatiflg.J their gtound ; and for thia the gentleman from Vir ginia (Mr. Brent) who wys lad upi deferves ctedit.' He has entJeavoured to reprefent the prefent amend ment as ytt more harmlefs :as only contending for a right in the houfe of leprefcntatives to.fix the queUi. on of falary to officers created by law or the conllitUr tion.. I donot helieve the mover of the prefer' -mendment or thofe- who immediat ly fHowed lum in - -the tupport ot it, frfim. the, rnnil diiclv they then took, and the fall dlfclofurt Uiej made of "thofe ot jeds and. intentions for which I atri. willing to give . them credit will thank thJe gentlemen who would now reduce theueltion to. a "mere nothing. Has the right which they claim ever been denied ? if it has I have not. heard it have thofe whq fupport the, pre fent amendment, pretended tint the allowances hich have heretofore been made to our foreign miniflers have been tpohigh ? Bo. ,J.kev vy0i that a minifter plenipotentiary or charge des sffairs, Ihould have lei's ? I have not heard it contended, but the cbjed pofg. fefTed to he, by reducing the appropriation, to, reduce the grade of- office at two of the courts, fi: to compel .. the prefident to recal the.minillers at another, and not ' to; reduce the appropriation, becaufe the prtfent al lowances to the feeond grade of officers is too high, -and ought to.be reduced, It has been explicitly a vowed, that it 13 further intended by degrees tp dc- ' lljoy eutitely, our diplomatic eflabliuhmcnt. But fir, thofe jrentlemcn cannot be ferious in their declarations upon this fubjed Tor "they have both contended .(uot withjt.inding tl.is declaration, of their vie of. the - -fiibjecl) with all their talents, far the cltabliihment of -t!ie vety principle which the oppofers of the amend- Hmt-lffVt-ttivolves-Une-otlier oDiect nay be ob-, taincd' hy thui weakening Tie. importance , of the pre- 7 i'entdifputc, to wi:, iinprtfitng the, people with aa jvpiiiion that the opponents to the amendment have produced an unneceffary ' watte of time and money-- -which would be indeed inexcufahle" if the contcft was ytly .shout the faving of a-few thoufand dollars.. j But the- member. from P-nnfyIvania (r. Findfey) has mnde another atterrpt tquaHy hanly in contend- ing for the right of the L'JlMurf to $ablifhw& cre ate the orders of ambafTadois, foreign minilers, &c. and thcnma n ner of f u jsport! ng his- poi n tCori vifrcesm trotb-vbiclr.he has complarnedVcf as-appl.icVble to ot!ier tc wit tnar ne wa6 not aaareiung lumieit tQiMc unaer (landing of this hotife, but that he intended his obfer vatioii3 fliould have an iefTcd where the d-etedion of their fallacy might iKt h& fo eafy. - He lias read froro the conllitution, the claim giving to the executive, the vight cf appoin t i ng ambaffadoi 6, foreign , miniile rs, jvi'-ges, Sec, and he .has then argued", That as" tlrele-Taur(fe.-.ootwrithlndIng- thTsgeneral grant.to , the ' executive, has claimed and exercifedhe righToF cre ating" the ofece of judge, fo. tl ev. have .iqually the . ' 1 - ; ,i nir .iVulfi 'i "" tlematiJi-cuaJB of the fi'milaritY r of V t i -. ''. ' - r . .'I ' ' X '. i 1 . - : ,. .-., - if r - ' . " - .-' Uy j aUQ-liien-Cofle?tiaaTrT: l tm iicntif man, in ing-coro- i .tne tw o iays., to tnc genueman s ignoraqce or w?nt. menccment of hjsfptech, complains nvivh 'of thepcr? f of information, for he muft hafecn in -this fame fonalitles 6.f;Tcmc .17 embers of thii hoi-'fq in the pre- conftitution an exprefs grant or this right to the Ie. fent dtkue, ,a;h tcrcflablifh called rsgins and flniiiiq tliis fpee.ch in a: ftyle l.iudieiaryjyfttffl, in which the tight of Creating the ot uDute anq QiminatioiJ, out. nitii" caicmaiea to cor- omceot juage is apionueiy hiuumi , uui can.iucgcn--red theTrnifchiof he csmplaips of.' ' He faid in one i tleman find anyTuch grant in the cafe of foreign mi- nillers in any part of "this inflrumetiT, .and" wouldHt nevt have been f S eafy to have expreHed it in one cafe as in the other, if the framers of, the conftitution in tended the leuiflature mould pofTefs the tight. I con- brcaththat the favorers ofj the prCfent amendment, are Vjiprtfented as vrjhing to oy.erttirn the government, and In the next, he aferts it is well known that .there a'j'nien in this houfe, who coiifider the esecutivc thf Viicirdahas infinuated'an emviahle one, if "it u one on. which we fiae abundant caufe to felicitate-btirfclves ' overnment, and he attr butcs .thc obfervations of i tend the office t)f foreign minifter is cieated. by the then fir, ., I agree they Toall have all the credit whkhfonve. gentiemen to their p:ofenjonal.hahi'ts at county- conftitntion to be filled at the difcretjon of the exe lhelrtfortsfo wVil eutitTthem to ; ifi.bn'the contvary'' Court bats'; from the proficiency which thi'3 end fome tcutive as circumftarices and the iiitereftofj&e.jCotia t h i 8 Yi t n a t j o rt 1 3 f u c h i s g v e r y fri c 1 1 el to the intertA, -rhe,joth may require. .' . ' to la-i csiion in this ftyle of declamation, I am induced to JJut as the gentleman 19 contcious ne cannot rna honour, (aud the ptace of the nation lias r&hm m la-"i cshVn in this Hyle of declamation, I am induced to j But as the ge andcctifiire'which their ; ci)'di.jd Tt'iav: Infjly ttierit. I'.xvhere language of this kind 1b taught. . , ' 1 this houfe to leg let c-ke not.-to decide, - ' But, - fir, this gentleman lu from , V i. nia. tTJI if -i ola i ritTyf hi el fiath e i 6 eft r veil V'im is a quell ion w hich 1 unde . in" the JanguageuoLj he lmem h r '.'' Brent) leave it to t tie iindeTllandirg Aim fetlihgs of " the" coutitrv 'tO'determine. '' ' WltiiU taktire i'ot ice f .-.the obfVrvat tons ofr the gentleman" from Vhginia T (Mr, Brt) t cannot omit t'bftrvIrifT upon the tuifair flatemeht I f h?.s rnade of ttfe rtmai ks of the rr-etr ber ' ft)rn-i C "-"r tiedicut . (Mr. Giifwolu) upon the fubu -r, :iiig tlu: goveril- "S .. has mad? another com- to be laughed at ,t han ftriouflv attended to : it is, that , we have taken up much time in difputing about a principle when we oughtv,o.iIy to have confidetrd the expediency of the mtafure 3 propojed, and he has infinu'atel this as a tifil al trick yith fome gentlemen in this houle. : I cpnfi def; this.attempt to trepan the houfe," Viid lead froni the real quellioii, a$ a tiick indeed, 'bur ia-ycr hai nt-tn t lt-tnftittrtm.TrT-the:rtghttnj- lei fl.it e upon the expediency of reduc- insr-our'diplomatic eftablihment, he has availed him- felf ot a very" old plea to fupport his claim, a plea that harhee'n'''conrtant1y''rf6rted to to uphujd the molt extravagant demands. The gentleman elks, has not the leoiflature the lioht of declaiina war ? And un- der this right he claims the one now cont t iled and may cla'im 1 any other belonging JLo'tTieT government with equal Wrct cnfions;" As we have the right of declaring 1 war, fay thofe ge'ntlfe'n rf 'A - r V,: v ; .-I. be 3, 1 ,.,(.,1;,., 5 -- - '' V i , I i. iU1 ir -f' 4- ; . -. . . 1
The Raleigh Minerva (Raleigh, N.C.)
Standardized title groups preceding, succeeding, and alternate titles together.
March 24, 1798, edition 1
1
Click "Submit" to request a review of this page. NCDHC staff will check .
0 / 75