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1809. .
Accompaning the lollo wing Mcffage uom
-., 3T. tifStnatt and thut tf. Rtfrtstntativtt
"rV 1 ' ' t'f""'
; I communicata to Congrefs, certain let
''Jtffrs which pifled between thff Britifli fey
'leioetff of Awe Mr,,Caiitiimgi7ind,KMrfr
; Pinkoefi par miniftei: plenipotentiary it
i Lpajon. i: When , docuaient .concerning
the relion. hetween. the Ported J&atet
; ' , nd Great JBfitMrt.were laid t before .Con
fprfa at the commencement of the feQion
'T thi? answer of Mf .Pwknef.'to the; letter.
: pf Mr.CnVtrg,'had uoti bf eceid,:
, and a commanicatiori pf the Jetter alone
Vould hare accorded nei Aer with propri.
rf, nor with the wilhea of, Mji Pjnknsjr
irhen that srnfwer afterwards , arrived k
- wa confidered that a what had oaffed in'
A , OTtif4iIoa Jiad beenj,pfdea. byj'"
written and. formal 'corn.rp0irte
fubjeft,- th variance jinthfc' ftatetnenta of
- what had Tcrbailj pflfcd wai not of fufli :
" cUnt importance to be made the matter oi
diftina and fpecial commanication. The
. letter of Mr. Cinning, howcrer, having
- laelf arrjeared in print,, unaccompanied
bf that of Mr Pinkney in ren!Vi and ha.
' ting a tendency to make imptefltom not
warranted by the ttatementa 01 wr. rw
ney, it hat become proper that thf wiv!e
(hould be brou aht into pufrlic view.
' f : TH"i JEFFRRSOtt.
'r- Jsnuarj 17. 1809.- , : '
1 Mr, Pinintj It Me. MaJ'it '
London, StFTVMBaa. , IS08.
. : CHeibHowiyi""Ca
whichwai pubKOied in our iaft J.' V .,
4 1& I have thi! honor to ircknowjedgethe
receipt of your aftfwef to tny:oflScial tote'
of'th Sd of lift month," restive" to 'the
Britirti order iii 'couhcil of Janriirr khel
dremlier. 1 80? $ toje'the with" a ftite
ment of . ihe fubflince of what ha 9afV
ied between us at 'ttuie Several ihferviewsV
previous ro the preTentatibn of that note.
I fliill lofe fro " time iiiT frarfmittin t6
my government copies of both thefe papers,
upon the llt of which I will take the fi
bf 1 tf. ih the coarfe of a few days, to trou
ble you 'with fome bbfervations ." . vf
'' 21 have the"ho'nor"to bt' "
- --x- I ntir mrtlr aaIIam IimmUa UMtif
Ihe right honorable WwKZ&y-s:-.
r- Gwjy Canning gc tsV. . '
SIR,
SIR,
I ana now enabieO to rranlmit to you
1 ni,?ht. to m iuu. A(' ii..'ao
AugutL
let
re-
""iTiis anfwer wis accompanied hy 'a
rer, of which alio a copy ks inenftd.
capitulating wiia' Mr.' Canning fuppofft
to be ' the fubdinte of what hai palfed
between us at our leverat nterietrs pre,
vious to the prefentatioa of nir oJi:ui
: hrtef .'., ; " ' k V ' '
To the accompinyinj pjper I think it
fodifpehfable thit I rhould rrty wi hout
- May, fupporti'i j with poiitenefi, but with
fUmnefs - the fttements', which I have al
ready hf the honor romake toyu. of the
conver riions in qurflion, and corrediog
fome errors upon points which Mr. Cn
tu h t,houtht bt to introduce Into hit
letter, but which 1' had tiot 'foppofed it
' oecruary to menibn b detail in my dif
pitches. ' ? ' " "
t I Qull ot detain Mr. At water with
tiew to this reply but will rake cart to
forward a copy of ii by an early convey
net Mj orbcial note and the anfwtr
n it being 'peffeOly eiplicif, Mr.' C
ings mifapfrehenfini (for fuch they art)
cf previous verbal Crmmoniciikmt, cn
rcarccly bt vtty Important in a pub'ic
view but it U, nevenhelf fa, of fomt con
ttxptttt thit, wliitever nuy be the ob '
et his flatcment, I (hould not make
my Wf party to Us ioaccur acL-a, by t vf n
tacit admiflion ef ihem. " "
-j- I do not perceive that a formal re pit to
the more e&cial piper can no bt ol any
dvtrttart but I Dull probtbly tike occi
Con to combine with my reply f tJie one
pjpet fome obfrrvariont ittn iht other.
I regret tltrtmlv that tht vew which
' 1 luvt been toftrorfeJ to lay before that
Ertmment have not btrt met bf it as I
i U fir been led to tip ft ' Ihe em'
lurt Cant flit, however, to pHct In a
fironf light the jail and iibfral fentimenti
by wKch our govtmmert Is smma'td, tni
In other trfprfls tob offttl and honorif
b td our country. ' -
I havt tht bonor to br,
- -Vi-iih tht b?r,tft con6drrtW
- ' Sir, '
Tcnr mo tbHt, httnMt frm nt,
LOMDOH, OoroBsk 11,' 1803.
I hare thr honor to Wranfmlr mcWt-A J
a copy of mv reply ro Mr. Canning's let
ter to me or the aid "of laft -momh .'
compariying hi official anfwer of the fame
utc iu nj iroie 01 ne xaa ot rtuguii, 4
I have the honor to be, ' :v''
I '.''With the higheft confideration,
,y- v-'-: Sir- -:.-;. -',..:
,t ; Tour moll obedient, humble femnr,
SitiuJI ' ATll.T.tAM PlMICSIiry' U
IhibtHoraiU JamrtAloiuttHtje &f4
VfHKAT CUMDEltAKO FLACK. '
Odokr 10, 1808. u;
PfR, s - " ...'- ' . 1.' .
If my reptjf to the? letf er, which yoo
did me the honor to addrefs to me on tht
'lU of laft rrinih,: Ihnuld 1 bo of greater
length than the occafion may be thought
to icauire vou Will I am lure imoute'it
to iti real oufe, an ttrneft dere on ' my
put aniir trom a looting 01 Imcerl rel
ped fot yoo, that tht llatement, which I
an to give of fdl deemed by you to be
important, (hall be fu'l as well as accurate.
I will not fjiigue you Or, with afturm
ces that no perfon rould bt left difagfed
than" 1 am to HnJ fault with the obJeU of
your letter which appears to be to guard
againlt all rtufreprefen atiort of what has
pafled in our la'e rctmiews beyond what
you find recorded h my note " Toy have
told ntthat I h4ve, perfontlly, no coi
cera In that obje&,' nd 1 did not retja rt
to be told that my government hat as lit
tl lundetfland, indeed,' that tht or
cumltance, whkh hat fgg e(lrd a pecuiiar
motive for this proceed m;;, wa ont of
thote newipapt mifrcprtlrmarions, which
tvrry day produces where tht prefs b free,
which find no credit and beget no confe
quenct, an far whkh it is greatly to be
feared t tor expedient wil provide no rt
mtdy Of my condoft, when that circum
Oanct oeuire!,-ta giving you unfolicited
proofs that I hvl traafmitted to Mr srcrr
ti'y Mad if on, a faithful report of our con
fertnees, midden by public rumour or
ptiv Ve conjfdure. h i not neceffary jt
mt to fpeak for you hart jourfclf done
jufticttoit ' -
fht motive, to which I lot ipdetrtd
for tht honour of your fetter, appeati 10
have bem inftruontntal in producing 100
ther i ff-deqaally uneurpilob't Du
jrmf w'nl allow tnt to fay lAaf, tjmtl iht rt,
elptof tht lettf,l bid not been sppti
d, by tht fl ghteft in-imadon, that It w.
in any degrnowifg ro ftch t caoft that
you detltned on tht pan of hit maje4y'
covrnajnr'J. afier two toftftrmtea in
r 1 . . . t , , , . .
ged,'to unfoh . as
well, at ofEciall. at rrt fenclh and with
perfeft, franknefs, , to give an anfwer to
7. bal overture. .:?-vV:-.-At
ourfirfl interview (on the 29rbof
j unej yeroai . commun ca ion wai r not
Jifcountenanced, but commended, v. Fori
after ( had, made myfc if underftood as to
the purpolefor, whlcV the interview 4iad
been requetted you aiky me if! I thought
pf faking a more formal,, courfej; but im
mediately, added, that' yon prefumed 1 did
not, for that tht Oourfe bad adopted was
wtjfuited to the occafion . My reply wai
in fubltanCBi that the freedom of miner.
fation was lictter adapted to our fubjeft,
ana more likely to condud Us to an ad
rantageous coOcluGon, than the coniraint
and fmality of written intercourfe ; and
that 1 had hot intended to prcfent a note.
Af the fecond interview (ort the 224 of
July) it did not occur to me; that had
any reafon ro.. conclude, and certainly 1
dM not concjovtlut feroartammubic
tion hid not continued to acceptahit as
a oreparatory courfe and it was not un til
the third interview (on the 23th of Ju
lyj that' if was; rejected as ' inadmiflible.
But, even then I was not told, and had
not the fnialleft tufpicion, that thit tejec
tibn was to be afcribed either .wholly of
partially, to the motive which your letter
has Cnce announced to mei That this
motive had, neverthelets, all the influence
now impiitetlo it 1 4m entirely confident 1
and 1 take notice of it only "becaufe, n I
have not mentidhed it to mv Vornmnr
in my official account of our conferences,
1 can no otherwife juftif y the omiflion,t
iw ,i ui iv jwu, wan oj uiewirg
that 1 had, in truth, no knowledge of tht
fad, when that a-count. waa tranfmitted.
. I may take occafion to' frt forth in tht
present letter the inn pott of all that can be
'awstivi wmr&t wrir i am- mntniniw m
cording b my recolleclion of them but
thert are lomt points to which I ought to
pay a more particular attention, becauft
you hitf 'tliought them entitled to it a! ,
though. I IhouU inyfelf, perhapi, have been
inclined to think that they had loft much
of their importance by the prefentation of
my note and tht receipt, ot your written
anfwer, both of which art perfectly Intel
ligible, upon ihefe points at leaft, with
out the aid of tht conferences that pre
ceeded th;m, , . " ' ,
You Obferve, that "the principal point,
In which the fuggeftions, . brought for.
' watd by me in jvrfpnal conference, ap
prr 10 you to hart' difered in fume
M degree from the propofal ftated by mt
In riting, are two: the fiift, that la
' C0nterf4tion the'propoW itfell was not
diftihdiy ftited as an overture author
Mteit'by my government i iht frcond,
that the bfnefkial confeqoencet, likely
to tefult to this country fiom tht ae'
wcep:anc cf that propofal,' wert pur-
faed' througH .mote amnio illuHra'
Mian , .
With frpri to iht Cift'of theft frfppoj
fed d.lTrtencei; 1 feel perWed, fir, tbtu
upoa larthc; recolleQiurOt wUI occur 10
yMt that at ourfirft cWerence, I rold
you tvp iciily that tht fubOanct of what
I then fuggefled that it to fay. that your
or!m king repeal at to ut, wt weu'4
fuf(nd tht Emir go tt i Great Btitaiv
wat from tey govrrnmcnt 1 but that iht
mantiet of Conducing aD4 itloOra-ingiJ
fubjed upon whkh I had no pt0 or
deta, wai my ,own I evm repeafed to
you the words of my inaruaiona, trM. -wettujwn
my memory! tni I dij not
underfland. enbrf tfenoe afierwards, tbtt
there was any doubt aa to ibeir ttiaenct
of then' fuflkJenty.olf spy drfirt lo have
amnrttiad and forma) con raualcttioa
of them whi?t thtr-fuft ofOaf difcuflinri
Was diftint sn4 UrXtrlalu I f4ld grif cvl.
tdly that 1 had ben dir-fttJ to tvquirt
th levocation of iW nru.Oi trd-M in
t: unc i t tuf I kid alfo iha, i.h"c-h ft
5ti&-t vf U Ut.iud.CTain finten
.? !g il' . j "i , i 1 hi mi 11 1$ T4jar-:.' r--
poled itfelf.to be aurhoiized to'eaped ikei4 ' ;
repeal ipon te ground of right at it ea' '-
iftedrom-;the firft '(a.ubjed, 'however,
which I am informed you adid not with '
at that time to; agitate) I ; wanotwith. "
ftandirg, ympowereif. to. grU yoi the a. '
bove mentioned affuirancM,, which Would. 1
as 1 prefumed, hold 'out JnducenYenta. to
Great Britain, as well asori jthe fcort of
"policy as' on that of i'ulGcc to fulfil; rha fni
ezpedaUpn. . fhould fcarcely : have un' ; ;
dertaken to ofler .fuch affurancei aa front "
myfejf, or , upon my,'own .;convidiorf'
,Jiat the prefident would- ad in cunformO
ty -with them. X And I mould ftilf left jf 'J.
that were poffible) have ventuf ed to ilk of
you that you would make themj' in that' :
tormj &e fubjed of repeated conferences,'
and even of reference to others, as placing
tht qiieftion of a recall or continuance of -the
orders in council upon new grounds of; '
prudence and equity t1 y 1 , '. I
If it la mereiT intenAA . t J'
IT Is) to fav that 1 did not mat' rAm
Clare my intention to make, my oyertiire in
siting, before I had endeavoured io preI v
Dare for it. b Detfoiial mljnari"An. "
. , B r f.-.rvn, ,jyui
a reception as I felt it defer ved, ' and be- ;
iotc a couia aicertain wnn Ihape it would,
be mod proper to give to it cr how it .
would be met by this" , government, ) no. !
thing can be more Corrcd 1, 4 V, - '.
. It was my fincere wifli jha( m'y jjropo.",
fal, which I believed to be adrantagebua to
Great Britain, as well as honorable to'tho
Uni'ed States, Diould be, accepted t and, ; ,
accoriinglr, I preferred a mode of. pro
ceediflg, which, while it was calcula ed to'
avoid unprofitablt difcuOiori upon top :ca
of fdme delicacy and great dilGculty', would '
furnifh opportunities for .frank & friendly'
communication upon all thebearingsoF my '
pVopofal, and lead, to the refu.t at wh'chl '
aimed, if that refutt (hould be pradicabk
aftrr a liberal interchange of feotime'nW
fhould be found' to be aioft, for :be'lo-"'
nor of our rtfpedive governments, 'liefe' ,
riews wett laid before you without re let ve, r
& feemed be to approved, and I confefa to '
rbo, fir, that when was afrcwafls id. ,
formed that, if I wou'd obtnn aq , anfwer
to my overture, I muft make It in wnrinir, '
and that 1 mull not look for soy preViouY
intimation ot the nature of that anfwrt, I
did nor allow rnyfell any fonder to annc4.
paft With much confidence fuch an ULa'
as I defirrd.' ' , '
;'i.e fecorid dilterroce, which yout let'
ter fuppofrs to eaift beMreen my nore'and
tttbal fuggeftiona, cannot I think' ;in any'
view, bt very material; 1 wul.' Oy forne.
thing upon it, however.;'. . . . ,
"Mr noe declares' iha-'If t fy'i. .1
rurf ue certain ideal thtoug't all the diuftra
06.4 of whkh they are futcept'ible, it is
becauft our petfonal conlrrfrtcet.at well
tnw wiitk'm, pt'uir 01 int ideas them
felret, tender" it 'unnectflary. rh !
tit , undoubtedly, that more had hen
laid in our confttencta. iin'imv.. e
- I M , Ul
thoft ideas, than ta to ht found in tbt
TuJt Iff.tl 1 mnA 1 1.
...... . - . ('vaiiuii can
fcirci'y bt c her !ft than nue, 1 1 m
patiaied fargei aiyou verjr jyfty (tJ j
- Bpww uw cvDirqocnces of a laipm..
lion of the embargo t to -Ctiat Britain,
while it ftil! rthihcd to bt t f-. tui a '
gainft PtAnct 1
Tht tvneral Ma. to WitVti.VJL'.Ji
refers ii, that Juflke snd in'trfS conpl.
acranme ci try troporal. H, partus.
1st rcCticr-l ae. that if tour -r. ..a
Oortmbirrn Cruy bt ttLiodcd In ih
mimrr iiyg. iicfl. ter tirmtrrjl irt.
Ctfbtf. uld tt )mmtdia-t:T ut;fC( .
(hat if n,nct followed youi eaimr. an 1
retained her tfecttrt, tbt avowed rut po'
of je or!rti wofiM H aComrhn.ed' 1
ah t if Franet rtfbffd Vn wuQt tht
rrrrican enoargn, inuevlng tt to Jxr
wtuldocciry th VU., 0 yint cruett
tnd iwifrtm tVet; nCvct m hnr ,hm
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