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" Oa ihf Mcond reading of a Bill ta nnd tbt Militm Lwi,
;l r V Peeembert,)8(H.'. A i ;
c :;,Thc bill having' bpea read, , j. -.'
, ; 'Csit25mith rose and, observed that no4
, subject which had :or wopld. come before
, that body, was more worthy of. attention"
' than that which waa thea. before it. .The
, importance of the subject considered, he
hoped no apology would be required even'
at that late period, for fcft attempt toren
i der more perfect our aystem 'ft Militia
. Laws. He had prepared several amerid-
ments-which he-held in4 his hand,- and
which he would With leaye' subrtiit to the
consideration of. the House ' He Juras ai.
ware that the; impatience pf the House
-' immediately preceding the proposed period
: of adjournment, would be Unfavourable to
thatdeliberate consideratiotx which ht be
lived tbe subject merited ' he wis aware
it 'might Vprve faul tothe" aitiendmnts
which he would have the honor to, submit!
But he considered it a duty to his imme
diate constituents,' and td his country at
largei to use'every means In his power 'to
; perfect hel Militia Laws: and unde these
circumstances, he hoped he should not be
' considered as unnecessarily trespassing oh
the patience- of the' House, by offering his
amend ments; - I(e would offer them singly,
thaf a dislike which might be1 entertained
for one should not endanger the safety of
' the whole.- V. " ; " .;V;"
Gen.' Suit. & then ffered an Amendment
which went to subject such general officers
v as neglected or refused to take -arid sub.
. scribe the oaths required by. law, to' a penaP
ty of twenty, five pounds. ' jlV'
r" Govt JSlxtLTin was oppbsed to;th
mendraent. He Was averse to multiplying
, occasions for administering oaths i He tho't
, their tfEcacy was lewenedby tieing already
mlich tod frequently employed i they weuld
4 be considered more sacred.if employ cd more;,
rarely, and only on important occasions ;
but be had no objeqViOn to penalties to en
force the performance of duties t and in the
present case he would willingly se them
iocr eased beyond What was contemplated.
, ..; in the proposed amendment !
. Ge, Saifrf believed the etotlemaii had
misapprehended te '.nature of the'.amend
' ment. . 1 1 drd nOC as the gentleraaneemed
to' undrstahd,;'gc to impose the taking of
cams as a new omigauon i mat duty was
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1 runcu vi ujc genera oracera oyao exist
inglawj but there was no penalty in case,
of refusal v, The. proposed amendment
went tc remedy thai defect by imposing
fcuuy u ue rcquisues 01 toe iormer uw
were not complied with.. , , ' , v
' . ,The amendment w'as 'receivedt , ' V
pti. Sjiim thenprotsosedas & amende
tnfcnt; that Bi iga'dler-Generals should make"
thfctr're'turns to the Major Generals in time
' , to perintt them to'be forwarded to the1 Ob--"
Verbbr before the 'meeting ipf the General
Assembly;" under a penalty of twenty-five.
' pounds. : Agreed to'- C'"- - v '
Gen: Smith then laid he had another a-,
wendment to dfFer,whieh he much feared -woiild
nieet with'the disapprpbationvof the;
Hbtiae' tlt'was new to theironsidcration,
; soil he apprehtijddd it might meet with the
fate which ,fcd nearly befallen ..the,. Bank,
and which "generally attended projects that
had never" before engaged the, a'ttenViop Jr
Biit believmg i! to be important and valua
ble, he must offer it whatever fate he might
expect it tcf meet with He' should then
havtf discharged his datj tid if he failed
in his attempt he could not reproach AW
' tetfnot would he" iacuf -the iproaches of
tthcr ftit not having contributed to its sue.
tess by all the. meWin his poen' 'V r
, v , Mrdl disciplined militia was iiecessary,
V to' fak exi itence of our' Republican forms
; of. government. C :Xhat . was a principle so
Vitfiversally admIed,JtKat he would not
.trespass ort the time of thcHduse by offer.
1 injr proof wKictf 4ightl be adducedin.it
lavor.:, it was agreed on all hands to be
tour best ecUruyr against foreign invasion
and domestic insurrection And while the
principle ;of Jiberry' and' equality. were go-
icg abroad ambng a certain class of people
among us,' there was a necessity for our
-niU5 u mtuijifjumuj ( a mimia cacu
'-Vrlafed for, something more than .here shew
. and parade". He had within a few days re.
'- - -celved intelligence from South'. Carolina, of
a conspiracy therefore extensive and bet;
. ter organized than any which had been prtK
- . Jjectedfothe United Sules. -'Jt "required
" nr utmost vigilance to . prevent the intro-
duction of those dreadful scenes, which
-v have bccn Vcted in St. Domingo, tin ayr
present situation', .Itow.'a're wc j'Vepared! to
meetsucnan event c. . - . -:, ,-.
' Geh, S. then advertedtb the state of the
French military. He sa'id their great auc;
cesses, and splendid victories were entirely
owingVto their artillery. ! pfhey possessed
a knowledge of it superior toother nations.
It would be wise in us to profit by the ex
perience of othets. - The amendment' he
had to'propose; went to authorise the go
yefnor to purchase two brass field pieces for
"eich Superior , Court district , in the state
for the use 6 such artillery corps a$ might
he formed, within thenw ' He wished to in
troduce i knowledge1 of artillery tactics a-j
mong us '.but as the, proposition was new,
and what was worseattended with expenee,
ho was doubtful of success. Such aa the
proposed plan was, it was more narrow than
he could have wished it. He would gladly
?ee an effeaivn,. artillery company in. every
countyv But this was a beginning; and if af
ter t experience thfl measure should be ap
proved, the plin might be extended, f -
Gen, S. then offered 'the amendment
which wasin.subsuncetas above sUted."
'Gen; WeLLBORM 'expressed his hearty
approbation of the proposed measure. Of
the propriety of hav'tng a well disciplined
militia, he uusted there was butone opi
nion It had been enforced by the repeated
reCommcndationsf khe' President of the
United States, and annually by the Execi
tives of almost every atatc in the Union."
With reipext to' the proposed measure, bui
bnc objection could be made against it, viz.
that it was. attended with'cxpence. -True
it cannot be effected without expence ; but
if that objection was always to decide a ques
tion, we . should effect very little bf what
was valuable or desirable to Xe", done." In
the present case, it deserve to becotisider
ed whether the eVef to be attained is. not
more than worth the mtanaj He believed
t Was 1 and he believed it apbn that to. be
Qpprovtd required only to be known. '
- Geh.' Hatch suggested whether it would
not be oroner that the the of the ordnaoce
to be purchased by the Governor) should be
specified. " . ; .
f : oen. omith saia ne nau purposely orou
ted a specification of that kind, s he thought
It best , that it should be left with the dis
cretion and iudement of the Gavernor
The same kind of ordnance he did not sup
pose would be prober for every part of the
state. Six pounders he supposed would
not be rod large, for the western part, but
WOuld be too heavy fot the' sandy soil in
and about Wilmington. He chose to leave
that to the Governor hr had confidence it
Jrould be a trust well reposed.' His Ex
ellency would no doubt assist , his own
judgment by 'obtaining the advice of per
sons who had knowledge bf the subject. V
j The question was puton the amendment,
ano!amedw -J'tv ' ' '
.cGen WEXtfeottM then proposed ah amend
ment which repealed so much "of the former
law as required the Commandants of Ke-
gimenis iq muster auu irm ineir oiuucr
two.days in the 'year.-' besides the day pre..
feeding &d Hi iiy , followvig ' general re
views. Gen, ,W, sai4 those musters ot
the officers had v not he believed produced
4ny. good effect ; few ColoneU everordcred
them ; ."and. still fewer were:, qualified
to instruct and discipline the 6cers when
thev. were otftstered'i J '
j Mr HAtjtoK hoped rhe'amer'dment' dt J
uo gu 10 prevcoi iuc niters uciug musicjr
ed thi day bfore general reviews, but that
ltproniDiiea vneir omer musiers. tie was
in favour of a VeuUtion" bf that kjnd. ! j .
: ' CoU'-SBiiti said he aKbdldhave no ob
jectidn to iKia amendment, if it stobdalon?
and did pq t interfere with' a,. proposition
which he sfould presently have the honour
to submit to th'. considerationybf.rhe, Se
nate. ; His' proposition went to reinstate
Brigade, Inspectors; If his intended amend-,
ment, as he hoped, would be received : it
would become the duty of the Inspectors
to tram tne bracers on the oays preceoiog
regimental mustets ) and ai he conceived it
proper, that commandants of ' regiments
should not always be superceded in theif conv4
mand, . be wished it to remam their duty
to rnuster their officers at other times' than
those of the days immediately preceding
the general 'master.' iHe,"wa-therefore
OppoJcd to' the amendment before thc5c-
j. On the question ,bemg put, thp amend
Col, Selbt said that although the decision
n"w4 tuiujvuk wecu puuc, us icarcu, uu
pronounced :the Xata of the Smendment
which he had' to propose,' yet beUeviog it
to . bfl Valuable, he jfelt it to be his duty to i of Tripoli, A'J seems, like fiur: pre'sidt
offer iu ( He then submitted his amend-
.ment which went o Authorise, JBrigadier
Generals to appoint Inspectors of Urirade,
whose, duty it should be to train the tofucera
on the day preceding general murerr and
to exercise the KRimepw .qn days of. re
viewj for which they should recive 25s. per
day while employed) as a compensation Jor
their service, - a y ': .' , . , : ,
Gen. Welibo! pNposed afurther amend
ment, by Striking out,' 25s. and inserting
15s. which he stated to have been the for
mer compensation of Brigade Inspectoia.' ,
Coh Selby agreed to this alteration.?--
- Col. Mohtgomert detlared himself op
posed to the amendment. We have already
had experience of Brigade Inspectors, " and
he thought hey had been of.no service to
the militia. The Legislature had entertain
ed that opinion; and very properly struck .
them out of the organiaationv - -They were
besides very -expeaiive to the states It was
true that- by the election of new officers,
different persons income instances, jwu
have to make , the' appointments 1 but he,
had vsry little expectation that those offices
would , now . be better , filled than they had
heretofore, been.---: " t - v 't. -
CoL SelbV professed to have very little
knowledge of 1, military J subjects, - and
would not therefore undertake to say that
it was (impossible to have the militia com
pletely organized without such an officer as
a Brigade Inspector t nor would he say,
that he ' oflk'6. had utii for inly ben . welL
filled and that the fcer,,had been of, real,
utility in everv Dart of1, the aute..He-
couhl only answer for the district of New j
bern. ., 1 here he knew; because it had fal
len under hia,own chseryation, that the Bri
gade Inspector had done , more in a very
short time o instruct and discipline the mit
litis, than , had been done, in any space, of
time, before, or since. He inspired jeVery
rank with a military ardour, that was pro
ductive of the happiest effects. jThe objec
tion of expence is brought up against the
measure. But cad the trifling sum of 501.
or6Cl. a year, stand in competition with the
advantages of, having a whole brigade of
militiat puton a repectabl& footing?. As
suredly not." if gentlemen at-e determined
to eftcountejr no "expence to attain this great
and important orject,.wS might, as well
Sive up the whole militia system at once.
l musters "are now conducted they, are.
only assemblies for dissipation. . .Not the
smallest improvement aeems to be making;
n military discipline, t In fact;1 the almost
total inattention which is paid to it, leads to
an insubordination, that makes militia mus
ters, perhaus'mbrer injurious than they are
beneficial. He believed Brigade Inspectors
were the' most Valuable officers in the tnili
til y U entertaining that opinion, be sholild
see with regretthe tateSvhich he btlibVe'd
awaited his amendment. k ,t -;
lhe,questi6ti wthen takcn 6u Cbtt
Selhyy amendment, andj lost. , ' j .C
' Col. StLBr then submitted J another -'
mend ment, which required colonels of ca
valry to make annual returns of their .regi
ments to the Brigadier Gcjiertis of their re
spective districts.---Carried. ',
.The question was then taken on the bill
ts amended, and it passed hem.'cch. - i-t
i This bill was finally lost in the Corn
moms We give this sketch of the proceed
ingytm itin ther- Senate,- uy te' suhjtlct" is
impotent, and the observations there made'
ay oeuse-
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unpqrriar, wiu uie ooisrvaiiya mere ma
by several military gentlemen,' may beu
ful bn aorne future occasido.l ' ' :
1 ' fmn Vie BALANC&
ii cAm Bo ats:v
In out president's Uie rriesape'ti Con
gress,' he telhof the obstatU tatolval ehi
terbriee which' cuh-bdats offer for our ? sea
port ' towns' r". of ' Weit, utility 'Jtowrdj-j
supporiing wicnin,our.waiers: mo aiuiuf tty
of the, laws j'f nd finally, be talks of; atime'
when ,. all our ,lmportapt , harbour, " by
these and auxiliary means, shall he sfitred
against insult and opposition to the VukJ
. Before jthis message had been out f the
press long , enough to get dry, an account
amwi., that . . v - ,'. 'f
-Commodore Preble -has bombarded
Tripoli ; and destroyed 3 and taken 3 guv
BQAfs andone XcbcC, and done considera
ble damatte to the forta and town.5 " " r -
x 'Never was a fine theory more complete T
ly knocked on the head by plain matter of
fact.' ThaiCommodore Preba ttK'squaV
dron, should destroy jnorePgutboatathan
Kb.,1, and No. 2, put together, augur ra
ther unfavourably for lIr, JefJersbnV
ttdtteTtf ndvl' chterpr&e "Tht ba-haw
had calculated mtich ' on the txrotection ot
. u: t, ) tj i:j...t..Ji.- i U
best to defend t his harbours by the f rtial- r".
lest force competen.'-Xebecs', gmvtioatsv -arid
such trumpery and these ne probably r
expected would support within his waters
the authority of thev laws an4-iecurek 1
them against insult and oppoVsition.?' But
. alas V bow was he deceived. .The smallest
navy that floats x)n the ocean, has; notonlyin1 T
suited him, violated hiIaws,demolished hia .
. gun boast, played the tlevll with his xebecs 1 1
.hut has also damaged hi'forts, and battered ir
his town abtiuthia ears.--Well.- if the li'itld lL
remnant of, our little navy, could make such
havoc with the' bashaw's ' obstacles," what "
in thf name of common sense ia to becohe
'of our No." V. and 2. 'should' Encland.
France or Spairi,.:send some of their frig-i 4 ,
ates and ships of the line ,"t f insulf its, and "
1 to infringe and oppose our laws f The de 1
mpcrata w3l answer, .Tbetjim flee totbe; r -; '
cornfields and our lord high admiral to the - "': -mountains.
. So be it. 't)-.' ,v 0
; ;SH0E-3TpRE. :- ,
The fubferiber has juft received '
and it nw opening for fate at his Shoe Store and ; ' .
Manufaflory, fa Bow ftreet, nearly oppofite thm - A
Pod Office, ' aa extenfive Aflottment in his line,
confiftiftgof ,: 5.'. j 7 ' v' -
dies'ahtt fllUses'Morroaawicl Kid,
Shoes and Slippers of evert cojctitr,' f
' Gentlmerts and floy Jim Shoes, , r 1 s V
Morocco other Leather with ciboimti , V
ful supply' of the best Boo! Lege and best
jxerintrnaoaiS), equal to any tmportea. -. .
j: And having a number of haodj always employ,
ed he can at in rt notice accommodate any whet
maypleaie iavQurhun wub thcirTcutlom, (wita
Boots and Shoes, or any other work in his way ; .
and warrant it equal, if net fupcrior to any in the ' , ', i
pkce. Orders from the Country wlll beflriclly .
attended to. , f f ' ' " ,'-
, : SAMUEL SEXTON. ; f
Fayetttvilte Nov. 6 1804. ebw6J , ,
nn HE 'jSubfcfiber fefpectfutly inform the us
j X habitants of Raleigh &, its Vicinity, that
he has for fide near the Market-Heuff a general ' '
affditmeni of Ptterfburg iiade 'w
.! ? Suwarrow Boots & Shoes, .
. . Also a quantity of ,' , '
V y .Three-quarter BoQtsi ;
L of the newest fashions- '.("'
"which he will fell low Tor caft. 1
. s . tr WILLIAM KENNOMw
November If, ,1 84.. 1 " '
..MrL" NormanV MilHneri i
Wiffitdfullj hormt tbt Ledics of Raffish" (bat is,
,,vtv . kat pined a banajvmt'-": ...
foftihejit of Millineiy,.
i,lJJ the hvkingin j ro Ir. Shaw4 .for a wek,v.
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rouii hilt ot tha fUluwin articlel
Silk Bohneu A" HM ftrertu' j Cul GUs Bowti '
Straw Banttt, ,Cijiy Hiti,: J Do. Sugtr Urn, . y
Sillti S(j W"ia isuiuietjj. !,Gublm nl Tumbler, i
m diiffcrent cJj-"ri j, ; ,tC QU01 & Fnt,Dniert,
Wiia h oi FloVer,' . V S Jlunit Gis Muj, -.
te$iM and iih w Piurte,"- 9 Bliic Sugar tMhea n J
PaJ; Corubi & PtrovJi, 1 " Sain, in Biiaani M ;
slI: aLsu Js.,0 . u!5nds.f.: ii. iJV ',.
'Elegant ik fumed Lookinj f A fevr elegant Plated Cai
Oawe, , , ;''0 tors,1' , 'I, x
Oit Framed Print,1. ?PlaedG.bleti,' guilt mW f
Peadt and Fans., : l VV fl TeaPoij, Sugar Urn, 1
Tea China in. Set J, , V' Crrart ?ver & Lulit t.
Tea aitdCil Cuj)by ib K Brhtania Mt.tal TcaPutf,
r'ien.' J,, v. I 'it i' ' '' .
??.jiJlof-0biiS-Jlt it foermliuJ lojc!l ot riJuied ,
pricrt; for Cits -. Raleigh, Nov. 29.
.WILLIAM SHAW
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aoa arid Sherry Wlae
'v. Loaf Sugar,. " v-'
J '. Arrank'of temarfcbl new Cottoq i'tTisa-.
I " An'elejantauortment of La'dleV. Straw
v' s BonnetiV'.';? .v; V "Xi ; ) . ' -;
And i few Boxes frrft quality Spanifh Ssars.r. "(
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' - ujwri of the' Printer hereof, ,' t ,
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