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IT I . is 1 WO AHA L V ! Lt. rli A WW. '-Potrn'tte hi'? W. PUBLISHED (weekit) lit VILLIAM 130YLAN. r. TWO BOLL Ftk ASH.' ' "Payiii--' in A Avwrv VoJ. io. RALEIGH, (M C.) ; MOm SEPTEMB ER 23 1805. T 493 . ' .' I,' . v 1.- - . " - .. -- " - - fl FOREIGN. ; LONDON, July 5. PARLIAMENTART PROCEEDINGS. HOUSE OP LORDS, . JULY .4 ' " Colonial Intercourse with America. Lord Holland, rofe to bring forward Jiis piomifed motion for fome important information on this Qibpct. He prefaced it with a very-able and argumentative ip-eech, of corifiderable length. He de Jcribed the proceedings which hadtaken place in fome of the W. India i fluids, par ticularly in Jim.iica, which induced him to mske the prelent appeal to the wifdore of parliament-TIiey arofe principally from the conduct of the governors of thofe ill. snds, with refpetT to the difcretionary power cxercifed by them relative to the , commercial intereourle between the ifl apds, and the United States of America. He alluded to' the fufpenfion of the nati jmion laws, in one point of view, but ixyjre efpec tally to the jfcefhie'rive power exercifed by them with refpeel to tue im portation of American produce 7 fo necef f7ry br trie fuftenancv of the ifland, or the (hipping of that -country.. i be. line cf con doit to which he referred, either in a political or commercial point of view, was of the molt ferious impertartre, and ftill more, as it affected thefupply of the iflinds with articles of the firft H.eceflity; as lumber and provifioDsi The inhabitants of Jamaica in par uvular felt it io Jtrbngly.. tliJt their l.egiflative afletnblies made re piaterepefpntfltions to ihe governor eppn iheubjVft, w. ho, in one . of j his an ftiers, ftate'd, he' could not permit the im pOrtaVioo in neutral bottoms longer than a given period. With reipeft to the quel tionkhoueh as affeclin. the jhttnfU' of tfe tflands, of great importance, swas ftiU ( greater, as it may ffed the commercial itiftercourfe and goocf underftatidirig be twden tbis Country and the United States f America. He deprecated evety thin,; -Jike a na r r o w-r ;(e lfilli comm erctal policy -jivit'h refpectto America, the great impor tance of continuing that good undj'rUand ing and extenfive commercial and friendly intercourse which now happily fubflfts be tween the two countries, and 10 which thir common origin, lanlinge, and mart; riers, fo very fortunately ilifpofe them. One of his objr(t-'tn coming forward was ' to give an export unity to his Majefiy's mi nirter f o cflh laim any fucb notions or prin ciples as achiated their conducYwitb refpeel to the rfftridions on the, trade ancT com anercial inrercMtrlVVeiweeh the VVeft In . ti'm iflinds and Aiiierura. It fo happened, andi forttiuauly, he thought, that pur Wfft India iflinds could not be adequate ly fupplied with articles of the firft ne?ef. iiry, except from the Unitad States. . He thought this was eventually fortunate,be. c a u fe t he i m po rta nt con fid er a t i on tu w h ic h he, adverted would operate as an addition a inducement with the government of this coiiu t ry t o c u 1 1 i va te a J rtcndly wn d e r (land ing with America. He adverted to fome luei'Feftuil attempts which had been made under formir adminiUraMons tofupply our Weft India r iflands from the Bntifh donn tiions in -North-America.. Adverting to the incalculable importance of the Ame ricanTommerce to this country, he obferv-. ed, that any attempts to exclude America Irom the trade ol our Weft India iftnds, would be worlV tlran the conduct as relat. d iu" the ancient forble, of the dog in the tiiinper whole determination was com .par sii vHy wife rrrf-filje r-a l.r to reiinnd hnn of thejable o the two pe t it ion e rs to Jupiter, t o w h(m the gcl- hed fticl7that 4ne,Whe pt her fltould have "double .then iakl ot.e, in a paroxifm. of folly atM malign nity, give nie bliiylnefs in jone; eye, that ..my "ii'vigijLb.Qr myv'be' 'bli.ndtn-jboM 0 would i: be tnetaphorically, chd thiy country wish to exclude America from our Wt ft-India t-ade, upon the principle of comnierii?! jeafoufy. His lordlhip took a view of the policy and eiTefts of the na vigatton ad, in its ; different bearingshd " -rged; that the changes in the ly(tehi of -Europe, and the relative ligation of thi touutrvi rendered the policy of acting up-' r'n tt very difiVrent from what it was at i;s Jirft cnadment. In .war; "generally f'i;caUngi it was ijnpraclicable He will ed the :iltairs to which he adverted were placed on a liberal footing and permanent b.ifis : ard it was important that rhinVrtfrs JRiould declare, what line Or fyftetn bt con duel they iotendttl to .idopt, refpednv the iritercourfe between America and bur Weft India colonies, in time of war. Th rough t h e w hbl e. of hi? fpe ec h , more efpecially to ards the conclufion, the rto ble lord expatiated jpon H.e-rear f at'um a importance, either in a pbVitical or com mercial view, taf maintain ne an amicable intercourfe arid elnlfe cottiiexion with A merica an repeated, that one of Jus principal objfts in coming forward was to give mi lifters an opportunity of de claiming all notions of narrow or felfiih policy, with refpeft to their intended in tercourfe in que(lion a circuuiftance which would give great fatisfaclion to ali parties; and with refpe to their intended fyrtem in future, h thought they ftumld be ex-' plicit. His lordfhip concluded by moving an addrefs to his inajcfty, " for the pro duclton of tbe communicauon which took pl-ce bet weerTthc legiAjtive aflemblies of Jamaica and hs rnajelly s government ot that ifiand, touching th intercourfe be tween ihat colony .and the United States of America,' frnnJ the comment ennc t)f the wr wiih France to the 2 tit of May hft ; alio for copi-s of the corrclppndenic tecwetn his majrfty's fecreiary of ftate for the colbnial department and the gover nor of Jamaica, on the Ibbjecl, within the fane interval ; lfo for various docu ments refpeclihg the quantities of provifi ons, kc. impprxed from America lutti tbe ifland ol Jamaica, at certain given periods,, diftinguifhing thofe imported from liritilh rtmericatandthofe from the United States f America." J The queftion being put cni the firft ik tion 1 The Earl of CAMDEN, in allufion to vhat had tratjfplmi oil the fubieft on a fpnuer ivenjne, obierved he had fiated- that counter.uroers had oeen lent out to th governors. 1 he Jorders wiiich were lent relative to the conduft of the gover nors, relpetfing the fubjeel in quefhon, wcreprscifely to the fame purpole, during ih tsftwrn J? tne acTof the sftfrwf the Icing, ke obferved, all goods and cotn moctities ivere-prohibited from being im ported in't) the Britifli Weft India lilands from the United btates of America, with the exception of certain articles, as provi fions and Jumber, in cafes of neccfii'y t ot thefe the refpeftivc govetnors Were gene rally eonftituted the judges. 1 hey were to ait upon their refponfibility with refpel to the ad mi ill on ot their articles, andbills of indenjmity, were paffed, when they had scred contrary to the law. . The noble eart adverted to the ex ten live nature of the information called fnjrtheprtprtrty' of accompany ing thefe documents with o. ihers which were- necefTary - fat the full if - luftration of the fubjeet, and Vjich; in this vrry advanced period of the Teflton, it would be impraflicabl to produce! He therefore fubtnitted to the noble baron the ff flary,documetJfs impracticable. he was, therefore, of ophii'cni with his not)e friend, it';'woilhi:'brrs(5r''ferjble to poftpone the dif. c'uffion to a:uih r 'ftfSoo, when all the in formation proper to be la"ld before parlia. ment corriu be produced. Witlr refped to the -line of con d Oil intended to be pur luftl Uy bh rtajeftys govcrhment relative to f lic fuhjeci hf queftion, it would bej juUtd by their convicljqns rjfihe trueTr t'vrefh and characler of thtir country, and a due refpeel for the principles of the na vigation laws. With refpecl.to what was l"aitiof their yieS in regard to tl trade of America, they would be regulated by no fentimrnt contrary to thbfe juft and libe ral principles of comuiercial policy , lb well underltoud in the prefent d--y ; np n prin-" ciples, founded not only upon the true in ter&rt of their own 'country., but eveii With a proper regard to the inrerelt and prof perity of America herfelf. Jbarl Stanhope contended that tninifters had not been fufficiently explicit, p'articu-i larly with refpeft to their intended con duct during the recefs. Inftead of giving a pjain anfwer to the queries of his noble fric;Hi4 ..he Jecretary o! ltate anfwered on ly by generality s. His fordihip thru !'joke in fuppoit of fome. of his noble friend's ar gument with rtfped to the great impor. , -r " : Ironi deftruclion, and to abide its fate i. Such was the duty of members of thie, hoiife, and they viio aflened otherwife, knew little of -the duties of. the lrgiflanire. ; '1 he duke of Montrofe (aid a few words . in tonfequruce of what fell Uum noble . lords ttppofiie ; he would- not be diclatcd to 4s to thi line of debate' or-obrervatfoal,-he would porfue. lie would adopt that ' which lie thought moil likely to conduce to his birjecl ; it was not his pracllceTo re buke others, neither would he be'rcbuked The queftiqn being loudly called foii adi. viiisn took place. For the motion S a gainft it, 14 majority 6. . tlE-:'TRJPOJfAll-j& We have under flood that there were one hundred and-fifty Americans, prioci-'; pally volunteers, wivi Ornera! Eaton, trow on ine expeumon wnicn went oy land a. . gainlt i iipoli. Geh Eaton acted under, the exprefs comrand of the covert.metit of the United States he departed hi Jul. n . h . r ' IB04, in tuc American iquidron, front, W -IhmtOB, and waaUndrd from orie of the U. 9. vcDels, at Alexandria in Egypt; i in the month 'of pecenrrlit-r tk it is uu aeritooa ne was tuppiteo witn irge turns propriety of withdrawing his motion for the prefent : or,' ip afe he perfifted, he fhould think iriiis 'duty, io- roovej tj or'tler; of the day upon them. 4-4 Lord Holland fjiortly explained. Lord HaA keiburyV objections were ttot fo much againft producing the required :n. formation; as producing ..'that alone, which Ihould produce a falfe prejudice upon,the fubjVcl, and would by no nieansMft the houfe in full pofTeffion of t h e cafe. ; Under that conviftion.minifters woujld feel it their duty alfo to move for a number of additi onal documents With refpecf to what tvould co f was faid of ?he reftnclions upon the-trade in qiieition, nnaujo ooicrvc umi mere werenanyfeprefeptationsjm ipectable and (Mnportant quarters, ot a di rect contrary tendency to thofe alluded :o by the; n obi e baron, and "reafons adduced that Government, iiiltead of impofjng un neielTiry reftriftions, were 'in f aft, too in thi'jent with refpec ,to that' part of the trade of the United States, to the, great det riment of the BritiflvmcrchantSTj; their lordfhips ; would th'eieforc fee the propriety of the propo'edr additional documents, in order to afford parliament and the public an opportunity to decide and judgtlw-; roughly of the merits of the queftion. He admitted the fubjecVvas -one which ny noble lord might fairly bring before par liament, but- the advanced periled of. The feffioa rendered the production' ol 'the ce- tance ot.a. good underftanding between America and this count ry whole tKample -the latter ought to foliow with retpet to her line o! internal and external poll cy- '. -r . ' .-.I:-;-- The dukeofMontfofe replied with con fidciablc fpirit to mny of the polltiona advanced by the noble earl who fpokc In ft, whofewarnuh if expicirion, he fuppofed lofght arife Irom ihr varnuh of t lie pre- teat lifalon, apt noil in which he generally tjo6ght pioper to attend to his duty in hat "lioule. He- r.oivtenied th.t his noble Inendi h;id been fujiiciemly explicit; the orders given, they itaied had bet 1; the fame m -during' the J a It war ; and the line of cxmducl would be ne rfeveredih". Tie con ccived that every country had a right to regulate the tr; de of its own olunic, and ihat no other ftate coultl properly com plain of it. With relpecl to the noble earl's panegyrics upon Vffitf icr; he under ltotul that a nobl- eatl had lately dil poled ot his propci ty and gone u tlut country : peihrfps'lf 1 lie noble carl oppofite to him wtuld follow the fame example, he might, after. a Ihort rtlidenre in ihat cou.itry, Tt turn home in a better humour with his own. r Th earl of Limerick was of opinion the aniwers given by niiuifters were explicit ; antj advcrietl to the cotitlderAtiou, how far too great an indulgence with refp-jt to the tradei.vf .America, . vvould operate injuri ouily upon the trade' of trtland and our .Welt. India colonies'. ;-. The earl of Suffo!kTp!ke in ftjpptrt pf lorrte of the pofitions of his noble friends, lords Holland and Stanhope. - Lord Hawkelbury, the earl of Camden, and the duke ot Montrole, Ipoke fevei ally m explanation Earl Stanhope in explanition fajd, U was the duty of a perion in-hts utoation to watch over the interefts and concerns of his country at homeland not to leave it becaule he might be out o( humor, at the mifconducl ot weak, incfHcient and incapa ble minifters. The earls of Darulcy and Carysforr fpoke fliortly in fupport of the leadingar. gunienrs of noble lords on that fidcOf the boue. X' ' Lord Harrowby briefly vjrfdicated the conduft of the minifters uo the lubjecl in xjoeflibn ; and he. deemed them fufEtiently exlicit in their declarations. . Lord 'Holland, f poke in reply, and con. tended rhatlnmifffrs had noMjeen expli c ir; 7 thf zXet larau ralitiesYiri allufion to what was laid of the emrgration A -ft noble earl (Stlkirk) ;to America, he referred to his late" work up. onlhe fubjecl, which he regarded as full a-1j": :ii ' -r 01 n?ouey, ammunition, neia anun ry,amp i equipage, mufkcis, pikes, 4fc. forilefi! troops, and in lliort.wtth every rjeBarf. tor tne expeattion. -uen.;jf.atcn was ac;, cotiipanied with feyeral American officers but we have heard of op particular names The Ex-Dafhaw was found in Alexandria, and ttadily agreed to aflift in raifing the army. What the particular ftipulanons oh, both fides were, we have yet to learn. Wc only know at prefent, that 5 or 6000 men were loon colJecVd, and that they, marched to the veftward, along the Bar bar fhorc, until they encountered the Tripoline forces in the vicinity of Dt rne, a town on the eaftern botders of, and bje. Ugyg to Tripoli--bere a viilory yvai; gained by the American army, and th place immediately furrended. This waj known at Malta csrly in the month of May, and new lupplies of ammunition, &c were,iuifliediaiely lent ip GcoeralXatctt,; in a Government br'g. 1 he reigning lia rtiaw of Tripoli muft have been fericufty alarmed. Our fleet was highly refpefta-ble-- it was well known, we bad then near ly twenty fail of vetfcls of war in the Me diterranean fea, (with the 9 gun-boats lent from this country, and fome hired cutters, the number deftined to attack Tripoli, in July, was thirty veflVls, carrying more than 3000 men, and 500 pi ces of heavy cannon ) Could Tripoli bold out againft a force fo formidable, under office r fo ex perienced, affifte d too by an army on fhore? We cannot luppole that the BatbawcouUfi expect to oppole them with fuccefsnc therefore took the wilcft cburfe, amropen ed ntpociatioiis for peace. Tojafk of tri bute, under tht fe circumftances, was nbn fenfe, he bad not been able to command it Uft year. He is theiiaid to have lower ed his demand, fromia million to a hun dred and fifty thousand dollars. After the g..llant Prebve had expended a few thou land dollarsworth of powder and fliot, in the different attacks on his fleet and forts,. his agents at Malta probably informed, him what he might expect to receive! Jlis only fafety,' therefore, was an imme: diatc peace, and it is laid, he fenx a ftag ot troche to Malta, to treat on the terms.. Capt. Leach exprefsly ilates, that Conful Lear was thereupon difpatched to Tripoli, and that a treaty was loon nrEOciatedrwith conditions highly honorable to the United wtates. 1 ne rtnicriiau pntuntrs wuc w Jiei 11 rele a'ft iLir'm. flavery. Raftm ot tribute muff have been out of the queftion, and future tribute, or annual fubfidies mall alfo he beejttya ba ndoned forever- If the ileet h fittacked lVipolVn july,' asl. fif 'tifi ftil information, and -vindicated the motives which mdttcetl that noble lord to go thetcountry in qujeltiiMrr, -'He warm, ly reprehended the idea of " noble lords being told, when they, openly and freely declared thetr opinions ot the mif conducl or incapacity of minifters, that they mould leave their country if they did hot f like it. . No, it was the duty, as his noble. friend welLobferved,' of perfonTinTtheTT fituatfon to ftay in their country, jva tch over its intereft, endeavor to refcue-it tended, it probably would have furrender. ed, almoft upflrf-any; conditions. Nt te- joice, however, in, the peace as it is. Ge-. jieral Eaton and his brave compaRton iit arms are entitled to the thanks of tbe Government, arid nation at large, for the ir. uneajja lied exert ionsijiA march over the deferts of Africa, through an enemy's country, what an undertaking! this has been attempred by Americans, in Mr. Jef fertWs Prefidency; it will remain for fu ture hiftorians to' ..record the fact, to pur jionwr- Lc: Europeans imitate the glori ous exemple. Let the ' governments of England and Frauce; uJ even thole o. V" i
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