T'H t. i v ,-f Vud. inTi : v.v. ,'avJili!ht.ljYec!y! J t '! -Vol. u. RALEIGH,' (N. C.) MkuAY, MAY "PUBLISHED (weekly) flKwiLLIAM BOYLAN. m iv....;. .... t wq dolls, rm ANN. Pttyalife ta Advance. M 19 1806. No. 527. CONGRESS.- r l jll Mi.- I 'ft lj j Ikc.i noai1 Tuesday, .March 10. deSate, On Mr. Gregg's Resolution, (Caminurd ) MACON, (Speaker). Mr. Chairman mvt -lfb unJ by the caI much has Sy three giuclemen from Peikfyka. nu, ( .IcU8. uregj. cmoie-& rincney.j witu wnoqj f. hav;; 1 ti i een in the hbit of ft tend. JHIu i a frieni hip on fuyjrart -uaccre, o ftate Ih rn'oi: which will oVsr;o my com !uct on this occafion, whether they may be faritfactory to-others .-r not, "lJi-y are ptrk&'y to to me -That a il.'rT.ver'ce of opinion fubfi;ts,tb'rtwe,ri the iMi-m'j r i wi:Ii natd to the mc.fore b ft adapted,, to ths "pt.Ts:ii crifis of our fclftirs, is cikcit from the aurn'er of refolu;ions.oa your tihk.r ' vn attempt hfis been raa.Je to liken this refo'u i rf to one agreed to in 1793 ; but are they alike? I think ro. That was ge Ciial a id opeiatcd alike on every part of the. u:;in, while this, in my opir.ioa, 14 facial, and viii o .ly operate, oii-one pair of the union ; and ihl p-oikl operation will be feverely felt, by that faction nf ths coun'.ry which 1 i:i part 11 jj'cftnt. Bellies thu clear. difference in the, tw.u lefolutton,' will not ail the three geuile- mm agiee, mat tnerc is a grcT nu mutiny; C!it':retice ia our tffiira -with G Bti'.ain iu 1793 an. Bovv,fJJr'mbtivt may be aa unfrittiilly ' nu aa thtn but 1 fpiak of fts;kno it to all, ncn of iDouvei ; (he theu held the vvtlbrtt poile, (h; thco deta'oed aa iihrneufe propmy bcloag ii.tr the fvuthtra p:opU, both in viIatiou ef -the tteaty-ef peai--ish; thcalaflfgared the I linns to war on the frontiers arid then, JH M this tim, i.pt!ltd ou" failorg and cpured cur vefkis ; bvCdce, the United Sulci had not then rhr:qu!lh-d'-the piiocipie, ihat free ihips - fl-u!d mae irce goodi ; ia reUiiquiHiiDii ilu's p'i.icipie, tlity iu a gieat roeafuTC icid fight oi lla earning trcrle, .bjr-jaafieable mcaos v,but ifeuiUm u vifh-totuin to Europe, they will fitvi thai in 1793 the treaties nf Pfiaod Pil i i were iu ! y.cc Let the faiH which I have listed,- he compared with hole jf the prefent , day, .-'nJ ali iauit oufefs, 'hit tl.tre wi vety cor;!i Lrable ('iff.'rence. I have faui this much, to Jbvjw that there is no analogy in the l&iii of lhe.frf nt iiaie.-o4p6 o: 17931 and tha th'c i- n; charge of opidioo in tit, If, how evet, 1 un uiiiUkcaflt is an houcft midake. - Thie natiou'i'o my opinioB, tattft take het choice of 1 wo slrernativei ; to be happy and conterti Without war, .and without internal -tasr 01 to be wa-like and glorious, ahouud ii,. with s.hut is caiied honour and dignify, or i'j othtr wonls taxes and blood. It', if be : the full, the people wi'l cminue to eijoy- !. that-h:ch t"cy h.tYe bitheito 11 joyed, mere piivi'e s ihin "hTh fallen to the iot oflaoj n. lion wivh whofe hiftory we ace acquainted J they ni l. as tr.ey h tvedone, live plentifully on thti.- farms, a.ir! fueh as choofe, will can y J a fainrark, by exchanging our furplua pro 'do'diyos,- fcr fuch foreign articlea as we miy .waalLw.e.iakciiiejilietgrU.ud,..e.JSiall. 1 fear, puriue trie fame career, which l ea near ly, cr q'ii'e ruifled, all the other nations of tht globe. Look at the people of Eagland, legal, ly free, but half their time fitfhting for the ho iiour ai d d-gnty of the cron, and the 'carry i g tra'!e,,and fee -urns her they havt gained any thiDg hy all their battlfs, for the oatioc, eacept taxes ; and thtft they hae in the gret tft abundance.' Look alfo. at France, befoie the revolutinv and' we Ihall fee a people, pof. L-fliuga fertile country and fir.e climate; having .the houour to fiht, and be taxed, aa much ;a UtrycooM hezr, fci the glory and diguity cf thr fUtnonarqut. Let U3 turn fiom thefc two great iiabnjfi, and view' Switzerland dur-. . ta.; tfte lrre pe vo-iOhouti not powcuiu lisc -Jthe-(Hlrtfwr tliaihfeehrpToph-frce, snl happy without v?ar3, coetenittkjt home, ' be ceufe they aC fiiough to live .comThftatly on, and not ovtr t3r.td. The hiftory cf theklhr.ee oationp, oiiht to coiiTi'sce us, fvrce'anj liocr;v, caunot dwell mtbe laoae) count rv. , I t.cjd ttotl to i,pote improper mpt'ves to tuy ere, nor to. examine tlrf journal after chang J 1 , ttMvijjh I am terfc6iy willing to have u iliiirt.htd Mtr frirn th tl-v 1 took a feat it the 'J Iloi'k to the prifentT after my name fan'd'f on exrr.iititio:), it (hall appear thit II have i . chaptd my political priocip'es, or.haveribt 5'tril.AtiJy: tfi.'.srtd to the in, I cnt'Wig to t:c- i-t tianje cf a political hypaciite- I havt .f.;rs".U bun en very grra: q tic Hi mis, in-, very JL-8-l-Bj'','iuita, a njinoi it jdp'trot-fulEc-tect; tif. Y ""TTJTBTi i: ! t he y e'f a i d--c ay s , on a raCft.ittpar it ctrVlr.Ti. - J will fay jm more on this fub- jif'-:-'n1'':i,g.C2- he rntrt pifegrctabie fch:n'to i ' .-c J . trui ftif. arid rowing com I jtatiry .iuiunW -t 11 yhtc'j .'l isbetn ncadc r :rhap, I htjtV iitcc'y fiid'too u.uch on it, tut it 'waiv i.n .o.Tch to lay I- f'. . j ' v -". ' ,; ' " 'l' e'l'if.cne with Great RMiatn ii mod un. C -rtivrchly (jr tlve cart) r.g .trcde a t.ia'c v.uh-i efs bsnefjci J ta f he oitioa than aof- ortitr, and a trade which has produced moft o( tfft giveo to navigation, has not a law been Qurdifjutcs witu forego nation, and it i theiJfjfTeJ to favour the filheries and theieby to form onlfuade that requires txpei:five protection, g jiiUa forihe ufe of the m-rchaat fervice ? It Will may one cooteud, that tiile trade is hlf aV.ay be tight here toobferve that I neith-r ap important as ths c6K.ftin? tradv: ? this cannot? 7oved uor voted for that law, but no attempt nd will not he coateocJed : for everv one knows. 1-n fpr Un mJ. .v ..i ti.- . 4 ' " : ' 1 DIB 10 IDC m.ir. i uc coaitinff ia tne pea tiaCe. it not on. ty eachange: the products af oue part 'of the nation for thofe of another, bat it alfo tends, by tnak'n j us better acquainted with each other to co.mec3 us mnre intimately, and 10 make xourageoient by which, during a time of ace, we have become the lecond commercial tioa in the uoild, and this too in the fhort ace of tune Gtnc the adoption of the prtlent it you pltaie, uuce the ii One cooTeouence a little cu. 4 - iuiuution av. Nfuch, 1789. ev.ry patt bir-uouize for the public goiid. I he trade whicb I coofider th text b-lt, for a .,ub is pro tuecd by this encoutagement. which nation to can 7 on, u the dirtit trade for home j ;' this When- Europe is at peace, the protfft co fu option, by which, th furplus produce j. i.i.r du.ies prevent any cr mpetiticn by foreign of one country, is exchauj;td for that of ano- j viXJs to carry our produiona, aud when ar tficr; and ia this, ls in every branch of trade, ?tr, fo maoy of our vefftlj carrv for the belli- iui srrcai iu.c wi.i ce.aucieo 10, cuy cneap jgp-eat otifeM.- tLat fieiifht is nearly as hich aoj feli dear i" yoj car. Vi h the coaftia? ani dircd trade, agriculture is aiore ueaily coa- iiened, than with. a".y other. But a nattoti maybe agricultural without bciig coin .net ci l. l'l.e Swiu ciutoos, s'id Ian, were 'of this deutiptioii. sr.d it may .b; rcmitk"d that Mi'an ij ibe moit populous cjuotfy ia Europe. Cii 111 i faid to be ot the lame character ; hut as little is known of than country,. 1 (lwi'1 not quote it, to tftiblHh a fadf, which i cLas.ly ellaolifli td by tht oiLer two.'. A country may alio be commercial, with Jut .being highly agricultural, as was ths caft wuh Vttuiie, Sud feme other European powers. Dut let us purf-je that fyf teui, which bur own expenuve has pryvtd to be the LtU for the United States j for llnce the adoption of thr piefc it coulliiutioa, and before this day, wc havt ha trying ti wts. It wilibe remembered, ttyti duiirigthe Ftc.icli revolution, e had cpopbims catnrt Fiance ; her govern orient iflued orders, of which we juilly-foinplaiiC-. H'd ; one of ihe:n, 1 h:!ieve, (Veiarr i all the produflioni aurl nniiiifacta,e of Great lrjtain, to be cAn;r, b.o 1 of war ijtbli if cxecccd, would hive nearly cut off ak cori.muiiicatioti, with a natioUt' vi h liyrfi we carried on .the greateA tiale, Wbzyxti'iS we then ih i Wefent mi r iilcrs to prance, with two of who n flie refuf. ed to Jlvave any iniercdurfe, but pretended to be wiLing to fugociate wi-h ihej olliri ; all the mi--ilTfterj rinWiy re'un.eil hotrc, rod we took'half , way meafures ngiinit her, which are the wont u ainiicafurei, and which pro'Juctd a fort of half war, which, 1 bviui"?, irj-ire i.s tuou then her ; for bHtden the ahu'Jl txp-i f.-, which may be feilimatid at ntjc kfi than ic.cocooo ! of dollar e, i"t !ricaily ruined the ri ie.il' u.a: ;i . pte, oy Teoueiug tne puce oi pruruu-e j Ji ur it reduced fror.i twelve and fourteen cV'fafsp t barrel, "to fixand tobacco frum teri arid twelve dollar per hundrt-il, to three and "lud uu doubt the fame clfecH 4ti oth.'r aiticlcs of ex'pcHtati n. And hSwaere we r-liv vedthen from thefc tviis? Ve aain fent miniflerii, tWy were received, aud made a trta'y. Ikfides w.hax hab been before (iattd of the conduct of 'Great Biitaii it will not be forpotten tl.t.flie d.-elareJ all France i.i a Hate rf bloi'tsd'-, auu thia order would have cut off all .'commercial intetcouift with her, who then -wanted much of our pro duce. To Great Uiitaic a!fo,ua.niniftei wa fent, aid he made a treaty." .l ate nb"w defirous that the fame fteps mould bt pudued, before we-tdopr d?citiVeri5?aicreS7 We once laic! an T oTity5trevFwjsjiAaui!iepj '.embargo, t f which we tired.; This fhews the dollars, vjhich additional fum you wih'L-Aj as nrcifiity ofaftina cautioufiy, and of taking no j loon as youiepsit from your neut'alityi It is i;h ua as it is with tbcrul fj that what the agricultural people pay in time of peace to en courage, they lefe the benefit of whea Europe 13 at war, and vh?n it is rnuft Wanted. ' Am)ng the ar,lrnentB nr?,cd to mow the ef fea of this meaiure on G. Britain, one li tint it will eofure us a powerful aid in that country ; that the bi'i.'iih merchants, and rucnufaAurcis, whofe intereft will be ferioufly affded, will give you all their affiliacce.'l his argument has bceu completely anfwertd by a gentleman f(om GeorRia, (Mr. Early.) But if gentlemen j rtaiiy calculate to make friends on the other fide of ihc uatcr, it leems to ue that a differe it plan would produce. more Cut off all iuttr. ccuifc between them and us, and adhere to the pla.i lo; g cnougli, and you wi.l Bad the mer chants and manutuclurersof Englaud joir.ed by a!l the inhabitant of the W. liivlies, to have the intticoorfe- opened. ,1'lie MTtmtly pf Ji. maica have ackiowldk'od th.it they canrTot jjet fitppliie iii plenty cxcc'prf n-rn iht U. L'tptes T lt this plan, would operate as'niuch-oii beef, roik, i Ih ind fljur, ts o:i tttjcio or cotton- ciut thu. worid be too tfrontr lor thttn, white tky a-t dj-lhous lo adrpf a meafure which will have the fjme eticct on cotton and tobacco. What ii this tilt a faciifke of a part of the ai'cidiural iiitcitft of this rpuntiy touli&t tluy f.rlikvc will, be a pruteclion for the canyinp trade. 1 flscu'd like it quite Vs well if tht at tt'wpt Wu? not. to be made fjlciy at he ti fit of ri'C ptri (f i!ie ui.ion. The evil is felt in ot.c lrl, ! y. tbc leiutdy is to be applied in another Ai'opc '-pci'ctal mcafnrcB which wi'l operate' tj ; : : 1 ' y . i -. viy pil ;( the toi.nrrv, iid ii the Y .e :s' to pinch, let it pinch alt alike, aiMi all Vi'l then be wi ling tc have itVff ftafocn as pof hfcle. ... l am willing-to atkrowledge that a dollar kjrn Ly thifcairying tis.V, ati'I made the pro. perty of the nation, in juft ris gooii's a dollar rc ny ctlnr way, rvtu by tlit cultivation e.f tiie hod. But dots it follow from thi-i.ee that you are to make rooie facrifices to pet the dol lar in that way hau. it is worth? I think not. The adoptfon of the rvfolutinn, hefides fs ur-jull and partial opecation, will ccr ljuerab'y alt.cV tiie revente, and no ways and mcaiiB .rc pro pefed to nnet any defiriepcy.. Ou the ptcfect queiliou ve r ilk a levenue of ten millions of Hollars laifed on the con'fumpuon of foteiin ai- liclcs in the union, to gain what? (I fpeak meafures which we"canLo: adheie to. All the gentlemen who have fupportcd hc refolotiOH no under coufideialiooj have txpitffcd doubts whether it would" produce greater effecla on Britain or ourfclvcs ; thia is futtly doubtii g itg policy ; 8c if ita policy be doubted by'its fiieiids, wht ought to be the refult of our enquiries, efpecially when it is bdieved thft its .adoption will mateikily ii jure one part of the cou;itry, and that p?rt entirely agricultural ; dre.s the public good, aboufwhich we have heard fo jrtch, inquire that a meafure which its Iriendt fecm to think of doubtful' policy, ought tobe I adopted, vhen nonea.cLUi?iiJl-MiUrU1 if uot Uciihcc the real it?terclt or a part ot the tromunity. Exatuiue the repart of the Srcre. jtarof the" Tieafury, and. it 'will atone glanced I Ifl.f W T I I.Ik Hll.'.l I Ulll t. Ll.l ..L'lril' I. that tubiic"rtBikaiu x cut ofF.-the-invjjrttiiMou wilh lefTerTl he pr ice of the export, if A(m be ex ported. 15ut we are told thatVc are bcuad to prcteft cbmmercxmriing I fuppofe that this refduu'en mult be dcp'"ed then if we are real, ly bound'end tbcte is no difcretion nothing of xpedieoey, there is no occafion for tlfinvefti'' gatftn. ;';-BatgtIeiiiB-l':k'now that onevc ry queflion difcretion may arid will be exercifed. But b'avc we reaily dne nothing for commerce -and 'navTriition.f On this-futj:e I.can co'q6 dently apcil to thofe moft iatercjed? yfftat urice the adoption of thv prcfe'attconftituiioo has made thus? he ftcondiimmereial natiptflL He worW'i. (before tfaat weTind but. little ch'icu to t he character, of a commcrcia'. people.) I Has not the protetting du1 if s on the tonnage of fo rriTti vefTela, and rn goos imported in them, pri'uced the effect ? They have f cured to out vefTi Is the cariying otfr-owo productions, which ei.ccuragejiaviga'tioB in 1 prooiiioa loLeir bulk.. Ltt gentlemen, enquire the number of car goes which tobacco and cot ten alone furnifli' IteAaicticab VefTcb.- lkfidcfr ibis eucouragt- flced agaio and again if we Lave t ot a right lo the trade about which fo much has been faid ? If the do&tu.e that free ihips fhould make free goods bad ohtained, t.ne could be no doubt on the qutrtioti ; but I mean not toexamine the lihi but the i lLdt of the refolnu'on ; not do 1 man to decy th.t the trade ia of fome u Ic to tfic nation.- AJcVchants would not fo anxr ot flypuifue it, if Jhcy made uo firoht by it ; and their profit adds to theiational lock, acd may affict' ther piifc pfnatUc ar'.iclei offered : for fale, I am alfjjwilfing to acknowledge that a cargo of fiaurOf any other native production f.-ur to iht;:Mfft Inriifs,--ahd lheit-fairly4x changed for iugar, and the fugar brought home, Ihat thft fugai ia uiucl) qgas the produce cf cur own foil, cna this fugar fo obtaiued we have a right to carry to thofe that may want it. liut theqtuftioc. htt(re-thtf-fommiltee is not queflion of ifght,, but of expediency. Is' the protect ioo. which -will be given to thicarryjng tlade, by t he adoption of t he refolutibn, of th t Rrt and. etjuch certainty, as to jultity. the .adoption ota.-;aieafurf,w.!ich will operate cxT ciufively Hard on.-fri!c'prt: of the unjottj T right of riepofit tit New Orleam. Le'oie we pur. etaftd til; cduntry, was certainly as well eft a biifhed as oui right to carry coffee and fugar to Fiance-aod Spain, ori.any where' elfe it Was a. riefht acknowledged by treaty ; bufwheb the depout win refuted, wnat did we do r we took pacific roeifures and Juccceded ; j,ve heard ihen much' about hom-ur and digittjr, and that it was ou duty to enforceTour rigbj .by arms; but notwithfiBodiae' all this, we adopted no .-neafu re like the prcferit ; we then ailed for the gcneial weuare : does it follow, becaufe I am oppoJed to the refoiutioo, ibar I"im uawil!iBg for our t citizens to own eflels it doc notj, I am"ilr lig thejruiay layifffmany as they pleafe, and do what they plea fe vith thero, fo thit they dp hot icrolve the EaiiuQ a war-by tbeuir"Ou 1 this fuhje-cl. the intercfl of the hufbaodroan ia New lLmpfhire and Georgia are the fame. i The gentlernau who introduced the refolutioo expreffsd a wifh, that no party or geographical feelings, fhou'.d be brought into the ueoate. If there was no cau'e for geographical tre)nget why the wifh, or why anticipate them ? Let the teport of the fecreiary of the treslury be examiacd, ond it will bt ken that tiurc i eaufe for ibis .feeling ; indeed the ttatement, made from that docunieut by a gentleman from Geor gia (Mr. Early) mull have convinced al- cf the partial operation of the ttfdution. On the firft page of the report it appeals, that the an, nual exports to Great Britain and her depen dencies are -litimateJ at about 15 690.CCO de-I. lars, of whiclj fum, tobacco and cotton alone mike f86o,oco dol'sts it alfo appears, that" we exported toihe dominions of Grcjt britaia in Eurcpe f it each of the three years tiding on ;h; 30'h of Eepteu.Ltr, in 1802, lUs 1u n of 12,066,521 dollars; and that cotton, tobacco, tice, p i 1 c h , tsr, and r fin, made ortiut (u :n 8 85,762 dollars j in I803 the fum of 16.. 459 264, and th.it the Line articles made of that fum, U.912 493 dollars ; in 1804, the furh of 11,787 659 dollars, a d that the fame articlea made ot t;i:t fura, 9,443 807 doil;re. Thtfe articles arc feleekk b; caufc thty are the produce of one fection of ihe Um-'U The fame pirt of the country products the follow iiig ar ticles ia common with other parts cf the ostfoa, but the propc-raon of eaih 'n not ktrowr, flaur, hcat, beet, pork, Havfg, hcadin.T, boards, plack, fc';u:ling, tiuibei, flox feed, flc'ns. waxr hamr, I acco, turpentine feirifs, lr I, and In dian meal, and 1 may edd, pickied 610 ; fotne ot thefe articles are canied to the tnidrtle aai peihcp8 to the eaficru. lla'cs, and are t';cie er potted, or co . fumed, and if conWmed enable tin m to export more of lher own productions. . Ii has been kid, that we h;ive no complai.it aeraioft any nation, ixcpt Guat britaio. I ifh moft ficicertly c had not, ar.d that all na tipns would i( aa honefdy towards up,, as we hive doi.c t-rdare willing to do towards them; but in exaininii g thia -fiibject, ' e ought not to deceive ourfclvt6 ; truth, Si tru h aloi t, fh.ulj be our a'uti ai.d rulele. Have we no.cornplaiou againtt France and Spaia for the conduct of loriie of their people on the ccean ? I mean uot to fay a word, about the condt.ii r-f one of thr in On our . f; urh we'lkrn frontii-r. What has beii 1 he prcitce at Cuba ? to take our veflels, . aud fJi tin m ; d il.tir C4igocs v.htlhcr with or y fthotit a tiial I know not. Tne owncis. I . believe, have genetaily l.ii b'h velfeland car go and h iw have they treated" your feair.eo ? iliined them on the fir It '.here they -could, and leave them to oet h- irt s tly could ; tut it ruSy be fiid, that this is done by picaroons; and t without the totile.it ot t heir goverumentf ahdN that thefe government s do not jutlify thofe who t aet in thin pa.stical way. Fhe governirei t at Cuba muft have -knowledge of thefc fact's ; they are couiniitted too near itj and too (ivquently to icioaiu lontr unknown; and we cat no; have forgot that Captaias Murray avd . C'liroincey -have, both er lately btn cruiling on our cwn coaft to diive thefc picaroors trcm it i be fi les all tin's, we have heaid, that aFiench fleet lately purnt all the A pierit-aivffr.jsit'.Bi.ti.to prevent their giving infornfanon of the ccurfe it was fteerir.g. . in tbiscafe they treated the" crews well, at Icl Tiiave r-ot l.caid to the can- nary, and promifed "to-. pay for the property dtftioyed tio cue will contend that the fleet had a -tight to deftroy this picper.y. Thefe facts are not dated to exculpate Great Britain, bufto fhew that geutlemeo aremiltaken, when they fay we have no coroplaiuts except rgalutt Englscdi againlt her 1 agree with the gentle- ; mcu we have well lounded complaints. Ihc gemlyman f!rV'0pi nom Pentifylvaaia, -bar bbferved, that the contrabatid trade war ge nerally cerricd on by-foreigners. " ( Mr. Gregg - expl?ined, and faid he had objerved that he be lieved this totethe cafein manyinftances")" Mr. Macon. .1 thank the gentleman for . the explanation; as I have no v-ijh to miftake whai baa been ohferve-t, but the diffe;ct,ce in the ftatfinent aill uot iiTct the quettipu' that .---ttigui8-inayewmretned-Wth..'in'-iillicif' ao'd contraband trade. . ijiave no doubt but there .. are fome facts known to all that will fhew, that others befides foreigners have been'concerped , 4 In bufinefs not he moft honorable, The peti-.t tion of Nicklin and G'ifHih, now before the Houknta'ioB'j.he.pro4LTlii'at"i' A'mrncan, ' with an.imcricao regilKr, coveted viffel for : a fareigcir, who armed velfelg to fibt thrir way iotothejSt.-.Dorniog trade. I kavfc . heard it waf not a i foreigner, but an Aocricio, A-ho fitted, out the J.'.andcr for Miranda, and who by'lbTi.aft rua 1 be rifle pf committing the' peace of the country. ) undci ftaMLliiat it- wa: an American. Io- ttating'thefe fats, I mean no" reflection . oa the merchants : they, like every other .clafs in the community, have among -them good, , bad and indifferent. Thtf fame geotleman fid he was not wWrrig to protect the wild cafrtioiC.t.!?l-J"kMliipt.bat- 'this wild trade is,,unKfi it be'that which will j involve the natioU i- war a-it is not the.coaUazl- band, becaufe that nji one wiii prottct. ' 7;-: ( Ctntinued in Itukpage. ' ; , 1 " if r. - -4'