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V.' .: 1 4 : - .. - . . '. . v 1 . : . : : - - RALEIGH, (N. C.J Published weei iwnry.. ..No. 568. wr of Representative!. WcdMivf, Feb. 4. - DEBATE O destructive to the liberties of the people Is. not tbireaough ? I see the, gentleman of one who is absent, and who cannot there It was again contended that, as our tea shakes his head, meaning that it is not e- fore vindicate himself ? coast was so extensive, and our ports and nougb, I should be glad to know whatsum But did mv cbileague say what has been done. But that the whole of the m should president to arm all our public vessels ; I would be better to give ud the sea coast and be lefuentirely defenceles and exposed to am decidedly hostile to it. Gentlemen ask retire foi a scasonlthan build useless forti- BOA'l'S. oillajre and destruction, from the most in- usif 'we have not foafidence in the nresi- fications at an enormous exDcnce. but ha tf(ttford m-ived that the house re- considerable Torce that might think propeint.- They will nevermuggle such a re- would not do even thiswithout a contest. r7 f(Jnidiration of the report of the ta attack them. The inhabitants it is true solution through the house under the pre- My colleague is not in the habit of run- a m rTTHT TIFICATWN5 AWJJ uuii f1! , of'the whole on the resolutions eft very kindly informed, that in case of tenccBf confidence Why wipe away by ning away from danger. He was one of the fications and gun boats. & , invasion vthey .migfyt flee back to the moufi- thisside Uow the whole navy peace $stab- first to engage in the revolutionary war in - Yf ( r ceiled for the order of the jains, pr to theinterior of 'the county and lishment? IlSt is to be clone, let the sub- the defence of his country, and his services" v it1 giinst the slave trade. fjn(J perfect safety ject be met fairly'and directly. Mi and his gallantry in the field are well known. ,.if Mr. Mumford Was Car- Sir I annrbnH thaf this numerous and Mr. Mnrfek'. MrSnfaker. T nwr he. I'lhint the nhrvaftnn mdit imimi.. if-- nl HHiU ' - V 'II" , , -.w , . ... . . ws . rw w tnlv to artrn. it is iust or penerons tViua to"attark the T J O u - O p,lHl -That a further sum ot money which they ought, for the liberal and en- gS.-ceiling 250.000 dollars be appropri- lightened policy of a government, which .i.tort rfTX)Stbned Offrrv thp " wralthv anrl nonnlnus cities and- indecorous, or imnroner. .ir.jii rnc ' i r i , .. j i i . . i r' f t -miTV 23 I, an amendment to the se- towns upon our sea coasts will duly appre- 'ments which had been stated upon the floor character of a man in his absence. u-v.l iiio i was under consideration, cjate sentiments of th3 sprt. They will of this house, in the absence oi theg-ntle- As I am up I will say "a few words on opimon corresponded wilh that of the geu-pnation of 20,000 dollars to fortifications, tie man from South-Carolina upon this sub- because I thought they would do lid good. r f n-iirvVit MrKani rtiir rri fp. T 'A tYl . . in !! limit a nilinbcr of trun fi in4 int-rBi. t,'irir inrti.-jn of the mirlrs whirh havp triven him n rrturh nn. Vrr havffvtiniw fifl min hot irhl-i ! bVs uottecding 50, for tne better pro- community. easiness ! had I indeed noticed or recolkcted enough for atv experiment of their utility. 01 L of ou; ports, towns and rivers :. and Bat I ought to beg pardonv-s These were the absence ot the honorable gemlemanxl am against buUding ny more till we a 1 1 lufticr sum noi cxtccuiiiK - viui- not precisejy tne senumenis 01 awaiuriiy irom auh ianu, wnnu u ucicssry i couia mijy uii wwi wc nave arc worn some tit w .. .1.1- u :.r . ,r . ' mi i i . .. . .: .... .c . i i c? i -i i! . iLjnoropriateu to eiiauic uic urcsiacui, or tne nouse. i ney aia not vote to approt assure mc gtniicmun irom ooum-uaroima uu. . , rsix'o r , .. j in-.. r . t i .1 1... nk Ta- ct:. t JS. : ...... f the Uii't'1 ouica it uiau, .mi auu priate twenty mousana aoiiara ior uc our- 1 uiu urn um mcnii.micu uv ixui. jjut, .mii buiw. m very nppy 10 learn CI l,,t . , T. .1 ..r r .. . J ... i r ...... nr. .. - ' .1... .L. X.J . J J . , n-j) the whole, or sucn nuraocr 01 gun pose ot improving and repairing our iorti- sir, as entertain a a.neieni opinion upon mat me gemieman irom :viaryana and yvrtqaire. particular place, but the whole of the for- gentleman frorh South-Carolina, I should the su' jeet of gun boa-ls As tfiicientnd jmendment was proposed by Mr. tifica'tions throughout the United States, conceive my sell justified in making the substantial means of de ferine, I am most iflC.rout, to insert atter gun boats, or twenty thousand dollars : About halt the same rcmaik? jn tne absence ot the gentle- oecioemy opposed to them, i beg the gen- w armed vtsnels of tne United Mutes. sum that we voted the last winter, to ap- man Irom -M.irvland, as 1 shcu'd suppose ticman irom Alary land (3Ir. Lloyd to be (Kr. Mosclv. I should not have suppos- propqate for the purpose of finishing a siu- myselt authorized in making, were hpre- assured that nothing was further from my AM S;t;tlccr, that there could De anv ctc room in the south wing ot the capital, Nor would tne presenceot that gen- inteiition than to treat wuh indecorum the . ' r . . ! li l :' 9 . w .1 . .1 1 ... i i i A. t.: -U..,.... ..c i.:. 1 ii n j -cmii) to the amenument wnicn nas ocen for our own accommodation, natner more tie man, nowever lorKnuaoie me opposition -uu.i.ci ui bis nanor.a&ie colleague. 1 ly UljC gcuiiciiKT.i tiuiii acvt- 1 UcUeVc Has DCCu cajcuucu iuc picscui i miii in ui uat vui wcici Hie iivhh ivo ..uu uiiuj da a auiuicr, dS ii racin yk, l-hhoulcl not have imagined that winter in repairing the Walls ol the room submitting such ocsei va.tions as l should oer 01 tins nouse, and as a patriot. i . r w i .1. i ..-. J . n l. IT .. I .. j t i'ii . tie most zeaKmsauvocates lor gun Doats, we now occupy. consider peumeit ioine .yuoject, anu ccni- iuraioro. i ntgmy respect the ir uR be utuviUiiitGCinvcst the President , Mr. Speaker, I nave no disposition to patible with the rules ot decorum in debate, cnaracter ol the gentle tK an Irom Marviand till tfie d scretionarypower which this treat this subject with levity. I view it as Whether my ,remaiks were relevant uv who is absent ; but if he goe away to do jnndment proposes- a very serious one.-lut sir, when -we . the subject under consideration the house nis uusiness, we must dodurs;. . As the etiiltmen apprehensive that so compare the sum appropriated with the ob- must decide. sessioa is approaching to a close, I thought ;r(a: a popoitiou ol wis. sum win oc arVKct 10 which it is to be applied, uaoes re- yir. uiot uencvcu mm tac scmuncnts auiy iu uuup tni3 suojeci, xor ll it lf?rtrtdli!i.tlie-q'Upmont of vessels of allyappear (I will not Irom respect to the of the gentleman irom Connecticut vvtte ..1 not soon takenr uf and acted upon; no- Sfoeni clwciipari, as fi jntertere es- bouseaiv) contemptible; L-ut will say neitherTinoecorous to the house nor to any tning can Dejaone ths session. - : ( a!! with f:-ei' favorite system of de- what no one presume will deny, that it is member absent f but he believed that the ' Mr. Lloyd. ' The 'public good will be ,;u i ho4t. ? Surely, sir, there can a3 small a sum"as the most rigid principles system advocated on a former day by the equaUypromoted if the resolutions should r )' (iii.g.r of this. Ii wc are to judge of economy could jualy" a magnanimous gentlemau from Maryland (Mr. l. Nelson) buopted a fortnight hence, As my col- 'im ri cac appearances, or from past cx- legislature in Rrantiofiprovi-ded they to abandon the sea coast on approach oleaguc, the chairman of the select com- rience, toeie caa he no aou'jt, but that thoucht proper to crant any-thing. But I danger and flee to the mountains, can ne- toittee who reported them', is obtifred to mpojh are asuncui.i )n.s;iiute at least perceive 1 am extending my remarks iur- vr oe reprooateu m terms maecuruuas, uu- ra considerable time vei to- come, the therthan I intended when I rose. Mviu- less thev are outrae;eouslv persunil. It is nnpal naval firce of our countryand tention was to conftne them to the amend- not, the man but the system that is coa uff rd the only protection of consequence ment proposed by the gentleman from N. demrjed. "wn are to expect lor odr Dorts and Vnrk -whirH i s?mnlv to Authorize the I beheve-everv anrurhent that could be rs. -presidenVjSrovjded he -should judge it ex- -urged ; on a. lofmeday, when the-subject The votes which have already passed in ucdient' to man and equip some other of of fortificationxwasbefore the house, is house clearly evince their determina- ourxirmed vessels in addition to, or in applicable toahis subjecb-.lt is the same in calking up the subject. I intended to w upon this point. common with the gun boats to be emplov- subject of an efficient nationaUdefenqe in have done it myself if my colleague had not 1 he president ccrtamlv has never mann ed. , another form. e are asked whether we done it. v. would be a dereliction of our btci any hostility to gun boats. Nor re- The amendment proposed appears to me arcTVviUing to. vest this discretionary power duty to postpone it on account of the ab- !, 1 believe, any disposition tg ,-encou- so reasonable and so unobjectionable, tharl in the President. I would not if we couloTsence ot the chairman of the select com. ige a maritime-force .of any other descrip I canaot but persuade myself the house Will prevent it, if any thing better could be ob- mittee. Not four weeks are left of the indeed it appears frofn the docu- think Droner to adoDt it. " X . d tained. But so lone: as the present econo- session. J hose resolutions must tro thro wnts before us that he has on the present Mr. D. R. Williams professed" his sur- mi cal system prevails, the system falsely all the forms of. a bill in the houw and in sion instructed the secretary of the na- prise at the course pursuedby the gentle- so called, 1 am wilting to vest thi3 power the senate betore the business is finished. Ui) s;a5e that in JVis opinion it would be man from Connecticut. am, said he;ve- in the executive, becahse it is the only mea- There is no time to be lost.. ( 'tnt at this, time to build sixty" addi-ry sorry that he has shtwn no more regard surehat it is probable can beobtained. .Mr. Gregg was in- faVor : oka .postpone-. gun boats. And if our sole reliance to the nronrietv ofihe case, and the deco- The legislature will do nothine on the sub- ment. He tnoucht it indecorousto take ua P'obc placed on gun boats, no one, I pre- rum of this house', than to speak on the1 ject of national defence because it is not a resolution when the chairman of the com- Cj win contend that this number can measures and conduct of a gentleman who economical. They-will do nothing till the 1 mittee who reported it, is absent. Some v man competent lor tn complete is absent, to attempt to reply to arguments acvuai approacn oi danger. i Deeyc mat gentlemen seem to minic we shall soon k'-Qcc of a-.l our n.irijt ami hjrKnt-is. dilmnrc! a fnrmrr rliiv k? tk VirknnrjMn. these vessels will lie. wntpfl in the recess. have.avar. One savs we shall Knvi. a wot oeiore tne next session. Here ivir. - 111 4S I it:,. be absent a few days on account of his bu siness, I move, in crder tiiat he may be picseut when a discussion and final 'deci biou take plate, a postponement till Mom day fortnight. - -. - - - Mr. Thomas was agaiist a postpone ment. I conceive there is no InHrroriim Bat ho estimation wever useful gun boats', may be in gentleman from JNIaryland (Mr. It. Nel- that the danger will arrive, and I am there of some gentle men in cer- son) when he is abseht and unable to vind.i- fore wilUngJplaccthis discretionary pow- and under certain circumstances, cate himself. Lam the more surprised at er in the hanJs of the President. Hot declared that he had said no such thing. The proper authority has piven us no in- . ... t ' U;e crinceded that there may" be ex. this course a the observations of the jren- I hope the system of the gentleman from formation to support such an opinion. The is not, we can see no r 0CJ !' r Ur stiores Were Unectwitit L'hem. tn the srthirt hfrtrTT the house. The ones, .'national def ence is acritated in this house, with one nation ' our nirhciatt'nn.s ar in a ""iMi'ie innate wou il b: ol more t thci- tioni. wnether we will vest the president meet the most-nointed renrobation. it is favorable trina. 1 he other nnvvpr tt arm ar.rl chtA tr cpa at K'u Wde.. than thf filrl mMVirin in Hildlhras. fiMr nrnQrinrv f'r war. T J'tr advdnta r ' Whw 've then'ou hand, whftt- they lduse- States. The gentleman has wandered from T May live to fight another c!ay.; . There was a cry of war some years ago. ,i . . g iiiwi.iyi lint iiic uiuti tu (Aumj nil uimuui u ya. n ay u. in uvio iiui j vpvov v-' m lines Trtit iAl9bUt nu luiiiubnuuus vr(.iw jjresiuent to roasf use or-nation or a vote oi tne nouse on a iormerau, u proposes-an tnstantaiicous mgnt on erected j J.Lteywere .neycxjw.aniea,. ana --v i, in vv"i:vvii" mill IMt. X lllitlJk IIC 3IIU IlUk 4.U,VWUUIM111IC MV upiVav.ll V' A-Lllttl. U1C 1UI U lllOUUl)! IIC IIUW UCC4ViiU. - - ,. 1. . tditnti ' know prouued hcjihourj "judge U exr a.propriaied for the purpose of fortificati-' Mr. tloyd.h.ad no intended to say any Mr. Lyon. : lam in favor of the post- ons. :.. a i tne gentleman win iook at. tne tiles ining on tne question, cuv as anusiows nau ponement,.vnut tnot on account or tne new k- .-n,i . f x-.-. jKMitiviiit.ii aiu ny mv. vautv., tit will lill'l iiik nun. u een tnade to his collei jectiotva-against every stands -appropriated for fortifications than he thought it his ttaiy to cfiera lew obser- T hey are new to me. It is ten yeirs.sinc deienceUut is pcoposcd. either the last year, .a We last vear anorODriated . Nations.' I will not' undertake to 'say. what 1. have been a mtir.ber of this house, and " iantJ ' M 150.000 dollars, of whit h onlv 40.00O were is decorum, or what is consistent with the never heard of them before " ' 'J:sid when this sulject xva under laid out, and a balance of; above 100.C0O rules of proceeding in this house," but I al- - I'ffm in favor of postpbrtfrnent because : - i " a aays since by some ten- Hlo Y Uiey. were imposed to a naval ne y otcausy it would iuvolytrus in in- t li liars remains r&l fcstimate-an cable, to this nurnose. . There is also, in the.ge- ways thought it lntjecorous to take up re- I believe.there is danger-of w'arr ;and 'I - be? in item of 75,000 dollars ap- solution nrthe absence of the chaiiman oflii These sums add- lieve that danger tviU be more apparent at the committee who reported it. Is1 it not the end of a fortnight than it is now. I am i . . - .... :U ! J"1
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