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RALEIGH, (M. C.) THURSDAY, OCTOBER, 29,1807.
I KlAf. OF
SCaton .Birr,
(CONHNBID.)
TUESDAY, Oct ber 6:h, 1607. ' .. . .
oicer to iiitutiuce the tVioenceot M.ijo'2ruff, h
1 . V i 1 fia j ut. o c.- n m ' 1 ei '"i rnuf wntrv int-y
,i;fci, a ei"C. f'U t a; k- it no, jwytwy c r-
but iu' a '.)' 10 give it 10 fe public, will
. ;nt li r J in 1 1 comj lea copy.
Evidence oi Majcr James Biujf,
Mr. MiTtiii, Hi.dyouany commu-
Ifirnti. ns win vi.ii. w iiMiiiua iwut
jiiw of nis 1 ei urn to or. l.ouis r
f:;l Hay ixqueitei: triar tne onject ior
uVchtbewiiLtfs uas introduceafljould
1 nr. an.. . . j. ' j
I'C nattu. ivir lviaiiui i'hu 11 wus iu
pice the fame as iimothy Kibby ; that
ei n Wiiki ilon held out the lame in
LWrmcnts to hirntoj. in in an expe - z
0i)jcta to th ln roduCtion ot the tel
t!mony,"n principle. He laid that no
nan could be prelumt J fo comeprepa
eJ to explain every particular ad ot his
ifi. aat the general r'ptttitwn 01 a
krnds could ' alnnc be enquired into,'
m order fo aflaii his character, i his
i:e held to be a i'acred Tule otlaw & of
iuilict.' Mr. Martin contended, thaq
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tfieeMdence was pertinent, oen v n-
kin'o.. had " declared that he had no.
howkdRe of Col. "B'irrV views fill hf ,
recieved the cyphered !e-'.er. we will
Drove that he had He did not man
lo fay that the views of Col. Burr were
criminal, on the cor ray, they were in
nocent; nor W( uld Gen. WihVnfon
have been gui 'y if he had joined in
them. Hut low Gt n, VV in order to
obtain favor w i'h ; c Roveriitnent had
tumid traitor n Col. Burr. IVlr, U'ick
h3 m i argued th-,lf.ejet!r.ony of Major
Bruff was adrniOi fe t o fliew an inCon
fillency in Jrar of Gen. Wi.kinfon.
Gen, WiikTrdcn. May I be permit
ted to nk e o.i e obfer v a t ( n . Iain not
tlr : ma t :e(t decree fm prized at - the
v hu:h has v.ofn tins and ie- i
veralo:her res Hons btcn nfe;! by the '
tween General Wilkinfon :andCol.,Burr
was drawn from two par agraphs; in
Kentucky newfpapers, in the fpring
1 8o 5. before Gen. Wilkinfon reached .
St. Loui; the firli alluded to the old
plan to form a feparate government
wi.iciii-n, which kaetxcuea , wea nf ihe Al eeanv. and afcribed it to
iu'l,,,0S,r" t"! General Wilkinfon and, his aflbciates,
Lirc.Tiean.i continue it itf a reg. lar cvnn..cd .f and doubting whetiier that Icneme had
i'wu fini c-bcius on, . .. r . . . I yet been abandoned. The next was an
publiflied in the papers, which dated
that Col. Burr had been feveral days
there with Gen. Wilkinfon, probably
giving the General .eflons on govern
ment, or digefting a new code or con-ftitutionfor.-t.he
government of Loui
fiana. fhefe hints,with infoTmatioji
receded from Capr. Stoddart irh medi
ately frodi Fort MaiTac, and who aur
ed me that Col.. Burr had been .there
feveral days. ciofely engaged with Gen.
Wilkinfon, and tha' he had or was a
btut td furnifh him w.th a barge and
crew, in which he was to deicend. the
Miffiflippi to New Orleans, Mr, Wirt.
You have not (aid when. A In June,
1805. Thefe circumitances put me on
my guard, and determine-,' me to watch
the motions of Gtnerl Wilkinfon and
Burr. 4
As the General approached St. Louis,
afceuding trie MiililTippi from Fort Maf.
fac, he dif-ipi"ched a 1 light barge ahead
with directions for me to meet hm hx
or eight lilies bebw, he hsd fome
thihg to communicate to. me I obeyed.
We met, lan ied and alct-nded the bank.
The General took me fn.o the woods.
As we walked on thr General obferved,
that he had been infumed the territory
was divided by panics, I mean .upper
Louifiana) which he atiributed to the
Americans, and laid he would crufh
party, or rerilh in the attempt." 1 ob
ferved, that there had been fome party
bufinefs abour th time the French con
vention and the memorials of Cortgrefs,
but noie Tmcf ; except the averfjon
which tfce French appeared to have to
t the expenfe, de ay, and uncertainty of
intri' :mdi eit negree iut prized at tnc ' f,nr u,,, otlfi intmrlnft inn rf 1 uiv
ic v hu:h has r.Dn this and
vith the French inhabitants, U r he had
heard i here was fome mifunderftnding
No. fo4 ' ', f" fl
iuftice, and did not defetve a electionbt Louillana;; and then vobUry-: : U ?
nment ;-that a militaty go Ithat it was the mterowirttf the goy
was hpfi for thfle Deorjle.and ment to .depopu;ate tha .,.cOUriiy, X-.toI
was contemplattd'fcr theth ; cept the villages of S't. LouisbtVB .j
. Hav. obierved that MajW nevandbt. Charles, an.; a .TmaUx.noj.?
'Bruff retired to a table en which ieve- tnd oi country around each, roer0yjut(
fn rt tn imrsnrr lhfm t that, aims.'? 4 .
ral papers were, .laid, alked him when
he bad made 'the: hVement of. his telti
nrt
IllUU; WHICH lir vtl3 11 til v , u t;
behm nnfwerptl ih;r . was recently thty refuted to move to, they would pe
done and fince his rnval here ; Mr.
Hay requelted thar he would not again
look at it. Major bruff laid that his
ftatement was drawn from a number
of leters which he hud written to hi
friends about the "time of the tranfadi -
would be offered to the inhabitants ,on :
the Ealt fide of the Mifliffippiv whitbif ,
thty refuted to move to, they would pe ;
Dufhtd over at the point of the - baTOt'-',. .,
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IlCl, ailU Uidl IUUUIU UC tliilvviTtw : .
ill i iinrt tint " rc. -..
thar t.nfinis.
p its only irritated the General, iind;
kept batK, tue important comuiuiiitau-
nn I i here: ore determined when " I :
ons alluded to ; and from. an intended i "cculd notacquiclce ; m letument fVim
publication againft the GeneraT ,4hat-the General, I would endeavour ..to W v
liltnt till l goi me irnforiatMjnm.y. ... h
Hound, I-had already-gone too ; far. ;
i he Gtntial appeared to be vexed ancL i A
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fli nnniiiiUPfl L" tni e v O jCH UJC UUUi u
ccuntt 1 : t Burr : men w ho are
: "Miepreienr, iv;r lcKnam.
I will'n ; a; mit to fuch language from y ob ervauons abr ur. antidated coil
any man (oUrt. I !k Ciuef julhce cellkns and fraudulent grants.-! ob
declared il e flyle Gn. Ylilkii foiy ierVed, that lome uneafmefs had .been
to be improper, and ihat he had l.eifrd excised l y a report which J had made to
tOO tnUCh of fucil language m CCUrt,.; ,1,. Wrrv at tr5r n- roflmo nrivoi
Gen. Wiikmfon apo ouized- ' He laid :urvevs which took in nublir. nroornv.
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the Doiitics of the United Stales had
ur der genea grear change ; that thr ho
neft and wife had united to lave the
federal' conftitution, imd prevent a divi-fr-n
of pre perry which the democrats
a medat ; that the deinocraotic party in
in Congrefs had iplit and" dwindled ;
and that John Randolph, Ntchollon &
v . . i-m ft 9-- '
Leibt aa oit their influence both in i
Congrei's and vvuh the executive. Iob
ferved that he artriburetf principles and
motives to the republicans which thty
abhofred. t Mr, Hay. lo which party
do ou belbrg? A. '1 o the democra-tic-
Mr Martin. Were you not then
a democrat, arc! did net-General Wil
kinfon know you to be cng to that par
ty? A. Ye. On thi luuiecf w-e-had
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a goou aeai or convcriaiK-n. i renraiit
ed on the folly to kippofe ohn Ran
dolph would confeiit to throw his pro:
perty into the public flock, in order to
hae a fcramb-e for part of it. howe
ver, the General obierved tba? the ob
ject of the democrats' was"-tf-Kpjoduce a
Mate of anarchy and c,nfuCon ; Icize
on. the propn ty of the federa ifis and
divide it among them! ives ; md this"
too he told me with a very -let ion? face.
I will nuke one ob'nyation here : it
is that thefe converfations vvl ich L had
with the General, were at' 'different!
times, and it is pcilib'e that 1 may nof
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1 walked out. ' -'
I hp fipvt-mnrninc his orderlf CtTJC
frr me acnini 1 arunded ; and we had
another parlour conyei 'atiori with clof.
edrdoors. he allumed a trienuiyr
ner, and begged me to recollect that
it was fometiiue fince l lii d left the At
lantic States ; and allured me that pub
lie opinion had undergone a great
char ge in favc u ot energetic goveirt
merits and "meafures ; that ii 1 peril
ed in exploded notions, they wcitid in
jure mewiih mygovtrnment ; that de
mocratic, norions pioductd liceriuom-
neis ; arid thevciy existence oi an ai
my and democ racy eremcompa iuiey.
that republics were uugreatful ; jealouj
of armies and military mem; and
made no provifior. lor the fuperanuated
and worn out effkers, but who were
left to flarve. In these latter opinions
Iagre.d with him. 1 he General feem
ed i Kr.i'td that 1 mould affent to any of
bis opinions. He was now filent.f
Wluie we walked the floor one or two
turns, w ith his eyes down on the fluor
ar.dfeemethtob'emuficg, he then db
ferved that he was fertile in fcherneS
had made Icr unes'fer many who dta
rw tlin ihanlc Kim forit. I fmlied
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that it was in rotlible he could c iter
any intentional dilrcfpec to the court, '
but hp could nor remain filent whei he
heard himelf called a traitor. Gen.
Wilkinfon proceeded.- I affoniflrvd
ar the explanation of the, ohjecV for
which this witnefs is caller. Had I;
known the purpole for w hich he vo j
hnweredhh fer'vices : for he was not,
fumn-,oned 1 mould have been able . to i
produce documents to fhew the long, j
the iniplacable hatred which he .has
hcrne Vtowards.me. Mr. Wickham
,faid that Major Bruff was under the;,
. prore&ion of the court.! Gen V. ib
kinfom I cray tha? hi tdtimonv mav
but I believed they were then fatisfied 1
had merely done my duty. Hcbferx.
ed that he had witnafled their many at
U mpts in the lowtr country to' defraud
the public; (the Orleans or Mifliflippi
territories I do not know w;hich,) that
he knew them and mankind generally,
and if . I would place my dependence,
v.pon him he would manage ' them for
me;.l"Mr. Hay. He would manage
them for you ? A. Vc:sk- It alluded to
a oiiference between me & the French.J
About this time! fome Frenchmen from
St Lou;s bail found us out, and were
ruffling through the bufhes on us. He
damned th- m lor their imrufioh ; f Mr.
ue-mtrcaucea ivir. nav cD'ervtd. tliat u. ,UrAt a
bejiad uq doubt of the law, f as to the lajd he hod lomething of importance-right-
to impeach , the- credibility d a ' t0 communicate, and hoped to have had
vunds, by .fhewingan njconfiftcncy in an opportunity there; but that he would
T . Vi ri ' 1 j- "- -- rase ine-nrii-oppouuiiKv airer ne nau
bpr Brufl s evidence were introduce got fettled of raaShg an important com
- eil tor that cu'pole it was proper : but ,.,,Vnt?n
JUor rtyorher. purpole, it was impro- -A or two 'after his arrival at
Per. . J hey had no nght to irterrcgate Louis, his orderlV came to me.' I at
J0T ,hert PufPe:edJ3y.Jr- tended- I was iake'n into his parlour
f,anln; . firexv-ihat General, Vi,kin. and he locked the door rMn M'Rae,
fen entertained the lame viewsCol. Vfiat time: About the laft of June,
ilutr. Ilowever ai GemVVi hnfertT, orator 2d day of Juiyt , Mr. M Rae,,
vns intent that Major Bruit fhould ; Can you name the1 day ? A. I cannot.
" "Ti0 lAJ-eS'-GensVVi IkinibnCan youebme wlthimi
i .ic v.nier mince otciareu mat ne HoW? J.;.Mnv 1 rann w
cannot.
comnfenced walking. The GenerUap
peared fc be ruminating, antl alter two
-iifericy.in-his.wttttimcny::he,
wcnld not hear - the witnefs as to anv
t-trijcular- aHegations agsinft Gen. Wil
kihfon ; bur with refpectto any m c a-
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tajcBcr:pr(ecd
""My teftimonv will arife from a num
ber of converfations with Gen. -Wilkin.
Ion. ' ' - -v. v
Ih four-of jnefa converlat'ons Gen.
ijkmidn took me. afide ; in . three of
htch he locked m'e up in his room.
TheYtrft . hint I had of a connexion ' be-
.Without hcflitaiion, I replied, a repre
Tentative reiiuiilic weu d meet brth the'
ntnesna?ctatinsrr-rne-.petipiei-
-rieaniwereu rrar ne was lurpnzea to
hear me-l?y fo ; -for the French ccAild
not undeflfand its' piinciples or"-be
brouglrt t'o atrerrtl elcdirns ; that 'ihe
American inhabitant? were a tuv bu'ent
let, the mere emtyings of jails or tugi-
1 Lr. 1 :-!-. r. -r
nave ciiiieu inem prccuciy 11 pu in oi .uu ht
time ; bur l ,m cerram that tluy did I Ke laid, perhaps you think I had bettct
happen and nearly as I have ftafed ; ai
if ti e Gentrul will te candrd lie will
.at knowledge it. (Gen. Wilkinfon.
Indeed I will not. He laid that Penidyl
vana. w?s cenvulfed by the democrats ;
ye! they we ud hot lucceed in turning
out M'Kean or intrrduciPR their arbi
tration fyftem.. 1 think that .this erded
the eonveifation. We cot warm; the 1
General threw open the door, ard
walked our. - .
Alter dinner his orderly crrre for
me again. I attended ; v. i s rr ken into
hi? room end the door laficned. He
afiun ec: z milder marntrr. And allur
ed me that the politics not only of the
United States but of the executive had
changed ; that' the difference between
the prefent anal former ad n. in ill rati on
was merely inJftme ; th. r pa: tit s were
kept alive by thevcunnir:g in order to
help then-Ho ofTi. or to ken them in ;
that the people mifloolt the character of
Mr. JeiTerfon ; that a w art of tnergy
was no parrof it. bur ra her c bflinacy.
Here he 1 blervcd that the Frer ch had
not been enough attended to in the ter
ritorial appointments; that they were
the natives, andthe Americans were un
g 1 eat f ul ;nt ruders and now railed J a
gainft a Kitg and goverrmeht w 1 ich
h ; d r aU t d them f rem "aOies. ; 1VI r
WTirt. To whom did he alludd ? A
cenfidered 'hat he. pointed his r. mafRs
to Mr. Aiifiin oarticularlv. It was the
bpamin Kiru and co.vemmenrto which
I alluded. He then cbferved that Go
vefror Claiborne, a rnifcrable thirg or
tool, had diftrTfruted the appointments
-in ther lower -coun try urnong' his , ,A mc
rfcan followers ?nd dependent!" jnd
had ncgledled the French, for which he l
was - execrated, del pifetr and -1 lorlrktn
by every prrfon1 cf' -taler ts fnd hoi.or,
. ,! t . il , , 1 .
-exeept.Dy a it w atKin-s, v no no ecu or
hau fome pel lonal iw. 1
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I have now a grand ha, .t in conic pla- .
rion, that will not only make my Tor
tue; but the fortunes of all concerned ;
he iuicd as if waiting for my aniwer
1 w;s filent- had nothing to lay ; but
wcjjhd him to explain andgoimothe
derail T after valkii.g the floor feveral
times, c uring which he appeared much.
I aer ated and vexed ne mrew uwu
door and 1 walked cut , wiifi
glimplc of the jeeret which he had
long been preparing me for. - . -As
I attended daily for orders unUV
the arrival of Col. Cuming ; the next
morning i found the General rather
diftarit and revived. He obferved that
he -had yet enemies in the army; and ;
anii r.g them feme from his own btate ;
that he either hated or loved iMaiylan
ders more than others ; prefuming this,
intended ior me, I replied, I iuppofe
you ;ake me for a Mar) lander ; whvy,
are jou not ? I anlwertd no. I ws born
in Jerfey,hut had the good luck to ber
brought young to Maryland 0 which
State my father, giand father and great
grand father, w ere natives - born in Jer
ky ! replied the General a fecond
coufin. to a yankee, a damned cunning -f
el 'o w I fufptcb I. hib was the firttWr.
thing he had faid to me; for before :
this, I was treated with reipecY and haa -rerif
ved rhanV friendly letters from
him ,l the refote auributcd thisto my
dcc;iniig to join him in his fc heme to 7
make fortunes ; feme time after the "
troops moved to Cold Water sin clicer .
informed me, that thty were encamped
on a low cbmp bet' m, lubjeel to be ...
ovcifiowed 1 Mr. -Hay pHecled ro the j
crurfe cf t he tcflimony irfutd by the
uitntfs: Col. Burr laid ihat he did not -kno?
th? .whole extent of this teflirao- '
Kut 1i t ! h."iH JurL rnlrridilf f"d ta
no ecu or 1 yui y y ' f 1 T J
r Kfitvf ii ' (hew palrh' era; r ad 1 ct tri 8 in the ft-
dharifttjiejower ccuntrjf -the gieatbo. i : vidence.or uen. vvrKimon.j 'w wa--'..
rfrherpie7;rei
in:heuppr country ihete were more;!- onthe-other,Ede9 hoTcXanfpnpf
tharttwa Americans forgone Frnch- V,FnJ c'niandrbya nichjecpnd,
rnanand that ibenDporticn cn.
MfA --awUt, ,.nri, -T,r ,1 nruaiion was noi orty.. .uuiiiuiiaiy uut
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toon entitle ns to clecliorvr. rle replied.
God forbid that you fhoul crver.f ec" an.
would nobabIy become" the grave cf
the troops if-:t-ht;, were- n&t removed;
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