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11 IN ,. , ,v. m 4 if-' i" TOlilrStJXP BY W I L L I A M B 0 YL A N. r.; C. TWCCoLLI. ril ANH RALEIGH, (k . c .) THURSDAY, MJJRCH 10,. j 808: - . -. .. No. C23. Ml ; Vol -IS: : ei. AH we know is, thaUlrdful is tljc pros- in the decrees of the frtnch and Spanish go- 'desirable' to rembve iirrsuspteion frorit-tfitf , j necu and that ' shadows, clouds and darkness vernrtients. Wejftw knowr what Is the real public mind. ; ; ; f' ; . ' '-.. 'iA jOtfflS OF REPRESENTATIVES. .. ... n information relative to'tti Thursday, Fp'b. 18. jest upon ijt . Rut the rearon whv it ?3 said this is so m- know it to be tantamount to a declaration vot ol tne resoiuuon , u auspicio.ua a time is because a necociatlon is ar, but we chuse not to consider it in that serrations, Temarking i P-oiniyon betWeen the trovernment of the U. point of IVeht. : " ;; - ). 1 b.eeri circulated of. French construction of the French decree,4; aud we Mr. Lirow made some; observations in favor1 i the course of his ob- llat tuany stories had lnuuence respecting States and.ah em;oy extraordinary fvoro the . France has declared war against: America', the embargo ; sq that If for ho.;other rrasoQ i'overnmcnt of Great Britain : because a ne" aijd America does not chuse to declare that a -this resolution ought . tb de adopted becatisfc uk. i.-in f-tuu aot- rw- itratf nt vnv vivtQ htween the fwe nowprs it woiili oneraie an eCGnomv ci iies - 1 IT f f" til 1 I I LI V 1 It J I CI U u i I li L: I 11 JL (H f AllU 1 13. 1UI1U' WI 1 til LUL OLIl UVIVMI- " - - I ' ' - - J. . V t. Ted tnVWUto raise an additional army, inent with one of "the- three; gieat powers of The treaty between this country-'and France t;p Mr. M. Clat moveduhat the' resolution Van Dis submitted the following re- Europe wiUi whom our relations are so inter- stipulates that we shall enjoy fret commerce lie on; the table. ' It was; not improper but i " n whi(hthe"lIouse agreed to consider, esting we -are" not to call fair information .on? the decree says we snail nave no commerce- premature, nc was o.i me- same opinion as 5 , 5 5 : V- the: subitict of our lreign: rckitions generally. France therefore has broken the treaty, and to the bill under consideration to-day (addition A)'cs ,'. f1!... tin pHiini rf"iiif TTi-iitri in .tnAo'rctnnri th i,itirii, nofw iiwlpiif,. -we riiav with Drdnrietv consider ourselves at al army) raiher-'prematurci ' 4"' ' . r citpi be requested to comnrtinicate to this sideratiOn it is a call lb a general view of our war with -trance if it should be thought pru- Mr. CqoK saia ne; .wanteq lntprmauon. T,Z such information touchingW foreign situation ;. it calls for such information respect- dnt to do so. The same remark does not ap- Was there any Ihmg indicative of war DoV tioubca .1,.:,l : .... e. : i.:- D.;.in ntv tn th Imp, decrees oi' lireat Btttuin. he. thev feaf immediate war : No'ivthev did not. "TiMoJiS as he may uccui cunsisicut-wiiji mj uui jwicigu rcwuuiii as uic riwiui niuU x- - - . - x ; , Mi-interest, the better to enable this ifeuse deem it consistent iHh thjf,pul)'c: interest to cause there exists no commercial treaty, be-. And after all that-had taken place,-fished F how far the militarv establishmencoinmunicate. Is it ixjssibVj that at any mo- twten.the U Slates and Great Britain. , toknow whether they were to havepeacCorwar. ivhntfvpp n itrmpcf n that 111(1 Can .lie - VII-JIUCI a iCKUiai ami 13 iu u juavu ' 'rvu w w... .w- .J, it:.J CtTtnc rmirlit tr lo mr i'f:'ier I- initttj 0iuicy . , 111..; it.,i . ... -..;- .1.. u ; nnH tr vKat. ivtfnt denends on the mforma- solution at :this timefJKi wus also utteimined- Mr VANUVKKSmuii wuum uc icluiicuui .ymaitxiw. van were mc u-uiuv vn - - . , ;y , -'.V-,J- . -Li-;, , , lU .' ..,... : u: v..co ..1,1 kiJi nKi.;t;nn.? l'vorv tion so shoitlv t expected." ' Here is an ex- not to votefer tthtUl this day under consid- i 2T reason to believe that he would in gentleman Us that we have not the power plicit declaration., by . the- President that the eration (additional armyj till he had mforma- Zloum of the session lay- before them in- to coerce information j our power is limited to raising of an army and the extent of it must tioiV.v i las', was an improper time however ftnSion relating- to this verr subject. A lie- the raniest.- "As the-Rresidenfs mge ndon information-to be-received. .We taask it. It must oe known, saidhe,,that Sion was now going on in what situati- been alluded to, 1 willWve tHat we are have received information that th-decree of we are waiting for .formation and that ther I f was impossible to suv. We know 'no- told in his message that imWaivt informal!- the French government is to be iterally exe- state of eyents has prevented its being com- "11 o fit as legislators; said he, for certainly on will soon be comrnuhicatcdnd none of cuttd ; but we have not.upposed it necessary mu.ucated. - hat are we ov g do We it as kristauannot act on the rumors any consequence has yet been communicated. ..to raise an army in conscience ol the, deter- are told that tha advocate, of he. solution, IU arafSu There ought to be. a com- Whe'nlsay that no information of consequence mination of that government W execute it. do not want improper information. , .The. m-, tlicn ,. .o . ... ' . . . ... , .n. j ifc -:fm.( rt tMm j in.i,1iat.H roriTiMfir.fi mll-f for is with a view dirertlv hetween the Chiel Magistrate and . has been communicated, i would be unuersiooq i uiu.cl imn..w..- ...v.. - r . , ,- - . - . mum - ..- r; . . . js, ,aiMi- f r nnttnwnrv mi : -which - fit Rends exnresstd. to enable us to act on a war- thr ..Representatives or tne union wnen ern- to say none or consequence, wneu wmpi iu v . 7 ' . - V , ' 7 1 ' 4 . 4. . . ptved in public busine. TheChief Magis- with the immense nVass which the Kxecuuve tls.deration ol the question whether we m.asur,. V, hat must . president T Kannot find- himself embarrassed by.is ust possess-compared w:th those vohuWs bifflte a regular army--or not, bo eIf.he romtner. .y Sutoni it is couched interna which leave $fdocumeiftS which every man within theatfemely masting is the state of our foreign to the cor tra.y,-k shews .W?,. St i rty to communicate that inform .walls knows that the Executive doesss, relations jn gelxal ; so perfectly convmccd. rect to the pending negoc and su h S crithlold it; itismt my wisJi to Nothing has been stated to us. ltlt men am I, im! so musfaU the mbers o th.3- an opinion the Pdent may no tjAj: toe from the cabinet a single ,y liable which who object to this resolutiorecollcci that this Hou,e, that ihe txecis m possesstoli of advance.; It is the. of the I 11X1 " . . ' b s-V-, . ..... J .... . ... ... inf,.n,) nnnn nfthf' stnte )f our ioreip-n relati- fcammtinicate information at such times asis U'ttld affect the negociatijwsT but when bins House as a brancn opine national. teKi.uu!c, ...... ,,.r - P, ----- v- hU kind are brought befor;. us, it must be isenfrusetd withemo$t important,m6st aw- ohs w.th Franced paui, ,ha port,, he p.blic.goomay ym , Arable to every-man anxious to discharge ful powerthcan be confided to any depart- on ot t ought tor be exhibited to tha.t branch of tha we wai.t informaupn He Ps Uwsituie w v . s 1 . . ,iwMw.tit , Urti must tirn.ifR forant! tnld its nothtrifr -Siiail be wanting: on uiv ji'nty to kno; wat can be known on this rnentjo impottant subject. v.T.-, therefore hope thhyrfv llouse who are nov acting blindfold as to, the subject of foreign relations, , will request the bers ( Executive to cive us such inforrrfatjon as can politi be communicated, to tnablerus to judge of the experi expediency ol increasing our military xstab- coi ; ow'v"'" v ' , f ..: :r ..... . r,,l . f.,Xi.i.ii- ivint i.vnlvo j .cn-jtc 1 tn our nrnrew inn's at a. ClCt.ii4.rc Will, II c nave va. , jv i v'" j" v b,TV uw .v j . ?--o - . . .. i , ... t r : . ..... i.nrL." tl.t .v.vm'nt an. Iiiifvicilmr In flip miKVir. welfare. t the rnmrnencementoE this session menv'vinceu am. 1 01 out u.tUiin; u,, 'vv 'kv.v-Vb - m ilrir f,M1i. hiohlv resoccted fo their judgment upon the state ol foreign' relations Vjiat more couUl He have said r uo.es;any StftrVJV.W ihidjour a',.y r,UucS, r,,d ,o pursue,!,.,, mNtouU that . h wi S!vc us to forma Ug en'ce members it least'Otte ol them, se- measures necessary to oc.pursueu, mai 1 uo wiiapii.wLWM.j.iu v..; ... . ' . .-:,.. -..Li .rr.n.tfWpdiallv.nnnroveofth? inotion:-mad,bv necessary in his Opinion -that an army shall ,u ,10 floniiiiuejs, v r I f n f her- he-r.he 1.- thawilkbc .a" moment in Svhichlt fohmenu,.. - ; they cons.dei h object an' wha ias' been offered can be whfbe proper forto cpmriiuliicatTin: Ih JUvsov hoped the resolution would m a state of Svar. I difiere 1 l orn them I lin I shall not vote the rnatters.w.th,n our cogniZance. Had the can prepay or the tyent, ; 1 nc :ieaue now ; ; ; n . . thousand W without , being satisfico-: gentleman from Delaware, read the-last me- under consiae,rat,o.Uine om 10 r " w j V" m btca sethe Presidcnt said that thev ard And I -hope, the bill. idtnt on .be subject ot to- mtionai army; anu,v .nF "1 ' not insliall be wanting ott hh part that it -is will not be called till, we have informoticm mn affair he would-have there found No- to this .resolution calhng informal on, no 1 ng sua ' . which we can b4 satM tether or not itiori im tu ,iug11uwum.lnJallll,1,,1.ll v - ...r . . .. .-- - slran arK11,ent ; 'and nothing it is necessary to raise .an arfny.. give.matioirspatch. the propo. soua free uVOSenmenthan4be (!elibe,-at.assump- now before U.ellouud. not; seenloTi a moment &o iinercsuiig iu uie -h - . " " " t- n ftf sf,h a nfsirie. Is our irovemmu-it be one whiuhnecenly involved in it any. public wehare." This assurance was ;tftade pmvisiona.amiy. n appear, 10 .c u.c . u.-. - r--t nn, y h mav tion of nbUtica'or nersonal confidence when we first convened and in this I place en- we ought to know, as tar as we can wun pio, ; . -1 - ' nf'.h. i,:u:in. he could rrvf inr pffl 1 as r 11:1 i ht LU eui a uijvciu- turvi aibi-. n (ire confidence... Whenever the public good, priety, what -is the prospect in the most ex mnirc3, a disclosure will be made : I have no tensive view ct it. " . - fa.l. n . . Ak hiu.nru I lift i'nu- ttytroi at;an umes anu hi cvyiy.pu. ..1 wuii.11 .u ... tv vb w "r t :r-' ' IV;,.,,;,.,,' k S!l that the: ; President shall whether he entertained that, continence is h Mtyto; inform the Ilouse that he ivl ateat uvc c.mm r"7time to time communicate, such mfor-. net, especially when he considered, that mane communication., in, my juugmeniu t.u ., . m y - fi,...ma, nmner. and has .thus ever important it might Le that the opt wfcild at this time bs' improper to make the they remain st.d.ynsettiea i no measme ...-..- ."-T ' LJh.r U nmn,,- "of some other Teemtlemen in the communication which the gentleman calls for: ving Ijren taken on her part, since ,mv. J; has lol?8. . shouUl in that respect be Jkown, and It there be any 5ubjectlwhlch requ,re?;ExeOu- conunun.catrons, to bring tnem to n c.ose - 4 ., j.-of Re- had, oh that accT.unundoubtedly s .v-secrecy, it is the negociatipti -now, pen' I attmuc state oiinmgs wn.cn may .. he.t informs ihultheV wcre discharging a Wgh and ire: Docs the centlethan desire that the Prif-omideiHition, thev have been recently pi-ess- P' w" " V u. ,fthf.lu.. Autv in 'Anllcitlv decirinir them ; vet, m qut&- in the hot mem of suspicion, but it is ctrtainlv not a think mat it was. rcqvnsuc iui umi w upen tne occasion lor we puipsc uincuwiiijj or how- nions House . they upposcd; soleipo- matter of too suIentSheuldsayA wish to. raise 50 or loo,po, ecr, ana aneXpeaoi iseme.ij cu u-u " - . . esent - of rd lo h5msf, itasa. matterof too meniOVould- not this shew the state otthe may soon ucrougm- : k :,,7wl1v forbid (his resolution, L cannot, little consideration eithef with the Houseor negotiation, and woukMt not have an ill el- sort, .; - ?. ;f ci,A,,!(i k nhieVred to.- .1 disclaim the nation, to instiiy him ih. stepping, aside- f,rt ?A inu -.tn 9m shall nc. ' We have no information on this sfubiect ; see wny .u uuum t vujv.- u u-ii .,:.. . jTiS.,, . hVit if ,f. .mnv inflo-H front what hits here'tolove i the unooum aoubtcommunIcatibn.ViH.be made;". " taken place,, we must expecrwarw.th Spam, gentleman n itti..' v,: i. -i:o. .;;n qh. hfl nnr.c invaded cm?, territory; m conse- Iriend to the i the gendeman from Virginia -He thought lhat mht be,, he could hot percenre. ins tne miw nrnner- tinrir that? coma nave in cmci uic luvauv iwmvu, ..vM.v.fr q . . r i -.i ' led confidence proltsseu by tne irom ii:vuui, wi uajiui -v oni Virginia; 1 disqlaim it as a his lnaiVKiuai- connueucc, ur riirhts of the American people, Sc distrust of the Executive magistrate. .What- . ,ntriKU wt icm inacnsis o ever ns-persoiwi pauiauwc ui. '-., Ui. .ci;it,r " it iitur hem mm -aciran - ior .1.- v, tVrii intr?w9tsvt be real stale oi wnicw-wcy uic Uis ,kv,vv, .v.....a,.- - .. . , , tj been sefettcd for caUing upon the President ot tow no measures ne, - ' -'-u-I'cs-pVrrnitteti to know. In dis. thepurpose of enabling him to decide tiie K . i the ed States for information respecting taken to bring our d:fferencs- with . to a not;, themselves pet I'mke'1 no question now before the house ; and in giv, ir, 1 I A - our foreign relations.; - Was there evea tim cfose. pain ielt herself, authon to take S negative, he felt that W 1 M id MrrE. when a crisis of such moment a- possion of a port.dn ntory aid V-'-rn 15-slSuia , justed- in it -meryL.thafc-- 1-: m circumstances so: inauspicious and omi- hce th time no concession has been fflade a c..hJJ d"'o Washing- constitutional confidence which, as a member .tosasthoseWhicahowi?io1rile. branchof the government, e might v j , dermformatioh more-desiraMe ? Can tlrerc-has abandoned the Chim or that she rnno tondm be supped to Cntettain towards another 4 . ( . cverbg such a time? .vhtn this '.House shaft soon reassert it. . 7;, - .gjv. - 1; shall not hesi- branch, andtnat was all which on this - occa- . Iav,lLanfonnation than at this time on the ' As it respects the same power we are tdd, fJh .eS necessary to express It V- object-of our rel.tions.with ; foreign powers ? To mr-4ormer grounds of complaint has low. is provided, said he, injthe 3d article andoV - -Are we never to' be permitted; to fierce this been added a, Very serious one, as you will see; uumded con-. section' ' of the constitution that, the -Presi- ; S , impenetrable veil which has so,Jong. covered by the decree,Tcopy. of which is nocev to time givV to the Con-I , i political prospect with thick and dark mutticated.. . Whether .decree ejpro-. 5", rloi$ K Shall noa soU tmarV deirree " 6f Co - JC- .lerthrout-lnofn ? I ' hbL j we are-.not eoVei-untelitiof Npf . 2 10806. heretofore com- have Jf- m,.ntklire asW .'shall iudge : necessam and 1. . ... - f. .. - - ' " J 1 i?. egress, win aisope-CQoionu. .m;.w : " T nr(; tuat ;t ;s nur-. expedient much longer t6 remain! in darkness. !I hpe jnulncaUjj u-TrKeprisctitatives of the Amt nV the people ; themselves are, tj.lt Aiv " tn tnnw TiritJ riiii. fnrp ' KTiot onW iibSv stand but how they (have been lions. These hpwever gave reason to expect is consonant pMiieCed for several yearsjpast4 Over-Hir such a conformity" It was Inthe nerformance of thii. duty undoubtedly entrusted -with iydiscre-: power lor the que ana jproper w-. i fn v resnonsiD e",itne i S.tKat ment.. It is impossible, howenrr, to, loim a posses' y . . 1 i mt- have an lmooriauv 'jjcjuhk
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