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WILLIAM JBOYLAN --- ; - ' . IGHV (n; c.) . .: i. 4 r. ' r .-t-t . i,. rr. - . ' - .. . v THURSDAY VUATfi ON FOREIGN RiATIONS The first resolution repotted by the- com i - .L In! 4.' ': J . -. tee on jortin reiauons jucuig uuucr feration in thefoliowinj; .words: - .-. , httotvcd, That OtizHJUed Vtate cannot, ;( a ttfryitc Of MftT njWfj 07ir ana - ?ifff, Utmtt to the we edicts q Lreat rinand France. ' . . ' ,- r,Qo:KCI'Saii max ne was nor-mucuui ,Gr of abstract legation ; it was so. ouen -nft of weakness or i rcfcrge of tgno- p. tootteaute sutueuuge oj inose'w wj Vriline t timiBcior delude t ha people C5sed fii opinion on any such propotfuqu ; J yet be was wUlirfg to admit that if in any f-this mode of legbritkm could be proper 'sorted to, this miht B such a case StinJ!,?'1 W .support of the Lotion alluded to,' he shoulB take ground Lether difi'ereh ffoitt tbatcoiitdipedin th 0rt ottne coraramee iirogucurg; vma ik- u-Mr i Quuicey consxdiered as loajir.aOiqQe m disgraceCul to the nation to th relu- bunder discusiiortj hoijrevir he certainly' I not attribute the chamctet which he at hed to the xeport itself.i It was a. rale of House he, 9aid, that any resolution report br acomraittce was to be taken altogether t pendent ot tne reasoning oi we comnui on which the i esolution. was predicated'. ! f:ry Gcntjeman in the House then had a lit to support the4 resolution on his own tuncf, and .abandon altogether that ,hich orau of the. House had presented tcL&iia thoueh't that ttip pritiwpk on which tnis olution should be adopted vas,.;tbt it as Lltmn rilodsz t6 ' the nalTwv, not to; be re- Imed in any'.-other xtsxy thgii , by a total a- hdontianf bued by tho-'Wininiitfatiori',, Adopt this olation, said he, and( the subrfiissidi 'which i disgraced this couMjry for eli?yen months. jl brought u.t the hru fc-of destruction, will dotif jtway."--Ht sked th attention or committee -40 the ttfrtiof tke resolutions ich contained two things an assertiob and lledee. -The- assfcrion was,. that the-orders 1 edicti of, Gvtat Lritain ' were conirai'j to rights of the American nation. -The ?e was, that the nation would not subnyt. hem; With respect to the iusertiqni could rt be finv ru3tion on this floor, that those cts were contrary -the ' rights pf !Ameri wheneen the ipOwera who had issued Vm did pot )retentl to vindicate theixon tttiata ot right f I hey hart never pretenoV tWther were not contraryo the riehts Die American people.' These, power re rocally placed heiJutrficatiofi oh the ;4 principle of necessity f and thetir ntinls t in this city ioirld countersign ths decla- wn. fUe.(fg was, that the. United M ffould not subrfeif! to them'. Mr. Quin- sled what was meant by submission, and -at by the pledge not to submit i One man Wifyto the order," decree or edict of ano--r, vhen hedoes that which the decree or ct commands," and when he omits to dc Y vhich the 6i;der, dect'depr edict prohibit 1 hefted gentlemen particularly to attend this leadinfc Dri'ncinle. The pled are not to pit then wasfhat we would not do that such order, commander!, or that we N do that .act which the order prohibited principle was clear and lhtelligthle, hot istaken tin this floor, ahtl cduld hot bt Wfcen in the nation., WJiat'are the orders decrees of the British and French coverrt iatl' One said we houldnot' trade with ,! her I the f United atea renlitd that thv sot trade .there or any where else "Sffamot onlf a -'submission to the orders ftoie ijovbrhments. hut lie said it was an . . " r V v- ' ' r ! 1 W Slavish S1rv(no-atinrl'i'. Aja Am nor 5if U)t? teonired and :Trihrrr than iKfT rrn'tiir. W Was not onl? refusihe- to exercise that If Which they command usto resisn, but. abandoning all our rights at their or Did we exerciser our vichtsunder the- tergo. notwithstandine the orders "atfd'deV' fk of France, and Great Britain V No r,wV grated with them,- and becant e they said 'jhoukl not trade withreach other,.-we said iM act trade at all. ,Thi was submis- jonly kissing the handwTcirsrovt jnwre UA hut miMin-thfcir toot on -otir bi -iv - fc Britain, to deprive her of all commerce, .Gestmy her resources, if nossibleand flstwe do-? Fraftct ot being able to fo' co operated ,with her -and did all we unite jurelves with the conlinental .WS, -H"ol(i fk art imi t ration now irti ,?0b ground ; hedid Dot ttieantoconsiOer'1 w T ', hiiiiii'; ,..w .w- f JcthfrTake the question now as it re- topAmerce witb Fjancet.ia -doing which she had tWdr'bbjects in Tlew f the one was to take away the commerce oi t rance and thus poducc'kQntent Lamottg8tLtht sub jects of Bonaparte ; the other," and . principal object Was, to) ir j ire th5 comrjaetce of all neu tral nations cxclddiftj themfrom the jcpr, Vinenu She wished to ISestroV competiiion aid tuke comtrierce to tierself. Now, said Mr. Quincy, y onr- Embargo law co-op?fates directj with her ; you abandon x your rights oa the ocean altogether, ' and the consequence is, that Great Britain takes that very com nterce which yOU have deserted, which you will not 5upjMftvydui citiieiis in carrying on. WbatC Mr. Qtrincy asked, was the language of .tiohaparte in reUitiou to the Embargo? WhyT'he had , applauded it; said wei bad dont more, than-lie h Ad eiicted ; that it had uot been ia liiJpower to suppress -the com merce Bf Britain and we had assisted him. What was the language of Great Britain? It wus" ajso a laiigua Jf papprubAion.--w-3he. t'qld us that we could not do more for her. ; that we .were her only rival, and she wished? the Command of the-commerce of' the Uni verse ; j we had withdrawn ourselves from the Ocean, and what we lostvlsh t .gained, Thri wai, the language, as our-embargo favoured the triie interest of thattiation. paihii prin ciple h'e conceived the' pre sent course of poli cy tobe disgraceful submission to the dr ders and decrees of die" belligerent ptwers; on this principle he thought the embargo an abandonment of our rights under pretence of rifiisting them. He rejoiced therefore in the introduction of this, resolution as the harbinger of a new day, as the precusor of wiser rcar sUres. , - ' ... ' Mr. Qiiincy said he would here tl6se the observation. which he had to offer on this re solution, were it ndt that the principle, of the report and of uthe resolution were totally at variance, were it not the continuance of the measure the embargo was specifically re commended in the report." h would be m cessary ttf say something dn this subject so all important ta the nation. , When he came up-a OTihubjecTfhTrnbai-go, Mr. Q. said it se ImidsTriou indi viduals W- ehouired ' wo ..the dayt the emoargo nu mw callar fdr"fbu4ift.lbati: tber Jiad bands or tynetb mplojf lU,nJwbd are how con-I dtaried to Submmifc.empxoy irom ncn men 'MrQajncey eiftumerated dther speciei of diitfess vrhitli were not distinctly hisard by f k thV repoIter. Ke 't.said ther5 was nothing; hhly coloured in lhisv;pictur j very fea ture, of it ;aS taken rom ibe life ; And when it was -shown' io-tne "people oiKlasB' ehusett 'ir there were ten thousand !' men frho would truly say that he had, rather kept back a pottioh than surcharged the picture-mother gentfemen might. taHtbe!r..;gt6uniH wpud;YaU hisi-that the embargo law must fc n-akH--,it cjiild not be enforced forat maKrTa toenod f time lofia:! be, J talked thus, revnot sjentietnen rwsuKc um, , . - ..." iKm lai be aiiuoea not ue iwauw - but he spoke ' pf a different mode a ; very diiTerent state d'f things. The honorable gen tlcm from North Carolina. (M v Macon) with great zeal had reclaimed thit.;be was for enforcing this law at all hazards -But (said Mr. Qu.-icy) let me tell that geuUeman with great deferrence to him and to all this House, .that I believe Jliere exists a cohtroul upon this body, cten upon this National Le gislature a controul of7jature,,and of .the CoailUution He saidlic did suppose that if th'u House, the Sen ite, and all the other branches oi Ibe Govern n?nt, were to. decide, ik it; . .tmniin. n-.-.miH us Hid r.ct exist.' that water should not now that heavy bodies 4 should not fdll-hV spoke with great defer rence, however, because h knew the high opinion which sorfie gcnilerilen. entertained of their own authority--he should- suppose that neverthles-i, air would stilt circulate that the Hudson, . LMawar-e or Potomac would ' flow to the sea r-and gravity still maintain its attraction to the icenvcr....It would be just as absurd and uUerly foolish and impractica-: ble fpr this Houj to- attempt to prevent the people Of New Enpflaiid irortt descendir-g on .. All iUl;..Vi'jK?c:, linnp inrl intpr- 1 1 ICjVV "v" """""l - seemed to him as if he trod on magic ground. He knew not, how to express his wonder nor how to thew' his -sJorrow".----Vhen he had come from Massachusetts, the idea that this embargo was to be .removed ha4j been Uoi ernal. .It had Hot ben tJ;e ojjifiion so iri.uch that the embargo would be removedi as that it had been at llfat moment actually removed. He had thought tlut. ihe:'e was an universal sentimerit that the ouvljai o ould not be con tinued : and he had drawn that opinion frcrn no narrov sources, .bat from tle conversalicn of men of I'aiious pctftical opinions.- Under this impression (sa'id he) t came to this city I np w hear, the incantations of the .great en charterT I feel his terrors, and am culled up. onto deny the evidence of my senses, to con' tradfet what I have seen and heard and felt I aW told that ihe embargb cannot only be. continued us relates to New England, but ths.t it may be continued for an unlimited time some say for six tnonths ; some for a ytar, and one gentleman from North Carolina says, be would rajfher have a 'Jiree years embargo thanLwar-an6ther gentleman, from Virginia told us he hoped that the embargo wild neerbe ta1;en off till- the Orders in Council were repealed Good t Heavens ! Are. the members of this house mad ?Are tbey touch ed with that insanity which the Almighty h;ver fails Wsend as the.precuripr cfd extrac tion ? ;Thc people of Nf assftchusetts, of New England, a people from the earliest; period of their existence coraidcted with tht oceans a people to' whom commerce was their dearest 'inheritance, from their ancestors, and tfrev ThSesTpromise to their posterity,', to be proV hibited from the use of ;the ocean, not for a time limited and certain, but for a time un limited and uncertain,, until our' enemies re cede from their position V I have not language to express my utter astonishment at this pro ceeding, at the madness of the attempt, and at the dreadful consequences which will follow, such an attempt if persisted in. Myfioncra ble colleague (Mr. .Bacon) Jold us the other day that he had travelled 'a Massachusetts and' seen nosjuch strange effects as I had the. honor to suggest very humbly thaf there were. Mj hoaorable colleague has travelled really from Hudson to Stockbridge, from Berkshire to f Boston "perhaps, from- inn to inn, fro-m .coiinty-r court to-eoonty court, and such spe cies of information he has collected on his, passage he gives to the bouse 1 suppose he fourjd that ta'.t, sugar, and West Iindia rum were dearer, and beef, pork, butter and cheese rheaper than usual, which produced I , the reshits ?n his mind that tlie-ffects af the M:mbar$jO. wei e' much misrepresented- Has my colleague traveMed throiigh the cities on ... Mf vr; t. OIKfc:: M ; merchant tell of bis ; embarrassments ? Has he heard tbe mearchant whose capital fs in stock,' say. that he is compelled to depepidn the clemdncy of monied institutions whher be shbuW or ahouid nop stop paymeut ?; Hs ests were there, the very situation ot the country prohibited this measure. They bad 500 raiks, of sea Coast, indented and intersect ed with weeks, baya and rivers, every orie of ; which offered inducements to cominer Talk of twelve additions:! Revenue Cytters, aai-1 r-'t:; rnultiply it by trti, twelve by twenty, or an. hundred ; and it will not be powfble with that number o prevent them from gOH'S ,tn the ocean, when the popular s-iatiment ia agiunst you, and I tell you it.wSIi be' against you soon, if it be no' at this rnoment. Ask your officers of the Rtttr.ue if in sonfe of our seaport towns propel ty seized by them h not been sold for thr(-e or lour per cent. Only of its. value I I state this as a fact. ... But, Mr- Q,u'icy said Ke should be asked where was that love.ot order and observance of Jaw which were said to chaiacterize the Nev Frgland states? He said they , must take care and not trust to that- Jl Was npt suf .ficient for gentlemen on this floor to. repre sent those individuals . who broke through .suci a law. as thia as thjmost-worlftileaa or proSigate part of the community ; they could notifor any great length of time identify thcai iindividuals with common sniugglers He (loubted whether gentlemen hlete, when tbejfi under-tood.vvhEl were the temptations which existed, strong as were their pi-edileC tioh forthi3 syttem, would think it possible to persist ih it. On the margin of the o-' ceanere ships .laying loaded with produce; and wherwtlie question was between the total tttstniction of their ormers and the violation of a law. which contravened all the neutral rights' and interests f these people,, they would very sootf from the very temptations offered be obliged to jreak, through it. You cannof expect (said be) that patriotism, will carry into force such a law as this. . -it in duces iften to make any common sacrifice, tut.tt never requires a man to extend him self on the rack, and allow h'mself to be tys- tematicallyL tortured by your law. II is very well in the interior tA talk of the patriotism with" which the measure is boroeY where a rna4sjlumbejorj)rodace but accumulates on his hands, lor though' he cannot sell them, he can relairt .them for safe hereafter j but,where. therej is noth'ing but your law to stand be-, ' twecn a man and bankruptcy' er rapid fortune the temptation is too great to be resisted. And when individuals are placed irr thrs sftua tion', when they sve opportunity offered them, .they will be pressit to the' water ; 'and it is' not too 'milch to say that you' cannot enforce your law acpipst them. ( . ):,'. There was "another difficulty, Mr. Qnincy obFerved, in relation to this law the copsti tutional diffituby. He said he knew that he should be told that- the courts of justice , had 'added their sanction to Uncertainly no rrtan -jrespected nidre than he did the bpioioQ pf a court of justice, or of the individ-jial who in this case had delivered that opinion B.iif it I was one thing to decide a question before a courtoX law and another Jtlng Uf Qeciin if be , fore the people, rp-ad; to 'Gentler inrign?d the'4nit' fmd'teoli away jtaW' -them theif aturlpivileget, ; wbt ndt;, tii ' JwreianJunqucsiiwaA donitUljoiijA 4utiibrf-L ty, and ot tdrrttst 'optrf totauvbi eit that coritrut iwrrr toSji&kibltbat3 .could Bot adjhk of p3Xd ' :: contructiB-t is cisi ?v VVbybrcomtniv. tibh fsrad he) Vctli'derrvt tfomv tbe tonatitu' v : tion a mvi rtnpftf waa erci$ed -q y any cbuntryVjrbiaV is-- ufecqtialleaV in ihe Ji "f iAttii Tt? kn...M.. J..A''t , "grar.t f ': pfieft U, regulate commerce, :yc$ ajt a ppwep norny to proniou m, maennne ly; but, .ydttrpoirr ofiveiilatio'exnii v mertt OrjsttjC -:wie m'eo not e : ; irfsf :Ho';Bji?- priewo'ents -tlfewi' m. 'j&y:'---.: gainydttrw tie piVceOst cn lorrne 1 or casion Is in strict Cowformity with the uaaertt qTbthernations. It was a limited ' embargo ajnd earoe agwvwithin 6(day; rider tho cotitroul 6t Corigresi" They would dot avejQk trust ft to a Washington. rv There wai soother principle! ' n? 'akf, which ought & be considered at thia ilme-; comprehending a view still higher and mote ( i m portant thn that jWst .taken. He asked the 'committee if in the year '178, vhen the FeV deral Constitution 'was untTer debate In tbo Sfate of Massachusetts ny ! individual had risen on that fiootv if aotne hrjary seer who could loofc deep into futu'rity, had risen on tho floor ol that convention, and stated to tfe&: body tha(,4 within twenty years pf that debate ;in consequence of a Secret constractloh ndt then umic-lpated, the whole commerce of tbe .United Stfctts would be abandoned, annihib ted, thit it would be made depend ctlt hot oti the will of the House of lepresentatiTes, but upou the decision, of twfelve or fifteen thei rnen-if tMi could avc been conceived,whe-. ther the" constitution toulil have permitted even a doubt to exist on "the subject i: 'TbO entleneh of the Southein states, bad j "spe'i cies of property of which' they were eratreme ly jealous, and justly, because they knew (hafi ? the peottpf the Northern stateAcjoul(fjiot realize the importance of iU "And so' with the peoplef. the Eastern statei fn relation to " ' tomiburctm' .He. Said ther6 was nothing , which was so deal i hrrh, which had beera from the earliest periods so essential to their support,' and in wjbich. the popular feeling was) so. much ihlcfVste.-r fr: ' There wis, Mr. Qutncy remarked, anotheT rcaaon which bad. great effect in rebtioh to thja subject, in the .part of the countyy in which he lived ; and that was, the total imbe cility of this measure as a measure of coer cion. TSoian in that partbfilie country be lieved that it had produced ahyect.' These indhidiiids.'who had been irthe West Indies find Europe, who knew their resTftrees, nau ma. , any concept"" max ucuuui nave pro. ducfd any effect.'; -He said he would not have touched on this subject, if he had not heard of the scantiness of the harvest in Great BrU . tain, and a hope that we could coerce Grtat Britain in Consequence of it. Did genflemea understand that this consumption of wheat in Great Britain and her dependencies, was not -less than 'one hundred and. fty-' millions' of bushel.?' w.hilst We exported but .SOOOuO . busbis,!to all the world I Did gentlemen -reaMy .tniiik that a country in which an annual consumption of 150 millions of bushels of wheat was necessary, cci 1 be cctd -by ' withholding' from her such portion of our se ven millions of bushels as wag sent to that covintry when the commerce of the Barbary. , states and trie Black Sea were open to her ? . - But, ,Mr. Quincy observed, it had been said of this rriasae, that it ' saved our resourV ces." He begged" gentlemen to recoflect what we lost by it. Ve had lost already tea , per cent , on our-whole capitaleVinterest Land prot oa" our imports and 'exports. fMfi Qimey "here made aatatemen't going to fchew 'thatj hi addition tb'tiie profit lost on our imports arid exports, a sum was also Tost by the inactivity of ouV. shipping, ecjiikf- to, " . twenty dollars for every toh i Scalso the JoSSof , . one twelfth part of our wHole shipping, a 'shipT ' ordinarily lasting twelve yearsyand on'r year having already nearly expired under the,Em barffo.. The' amour I of these three items "Mr. Qiiiricyestim'ated at about S30',0'6cl,000.: Not less than neat 30 millions absolutely , gone to destruetioiv. He Wonld say nothing of the his of property goinj? out ,in all direc- ' . rions ; but rheif was an irremediable. loss of millions ofcfollab.-- - When the .House were told ' that our resources were saved, h, wished the House to consider if there was. , Dot some deception in this. l4e supposed ., that 6y our resources being saved it was meant that something was saved, to which we conid- ' have recourcer All the product of, the coun tr, he said was raised for consumption or ex portatibii. The people produced annually sufficient for their consumption. -The stn , plus was of no value unlessLu cnuld be expor- f"ted or-exebanged for othr Cemmodiiies- 7 ' Supposejhis etnbargo Was continued for two. . yrars 6r four.yeafa. Did not gentlemen be v liee that the annual - produce would be lost I Tbey could not maaufacturc vtAcii, aurplci 1 -r
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