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.ri. mmMimmm r JLJLJlJ ,-r V if L t DOLl.PH "1 li h-vt yearly. J PUBLISH ED f wee KLt) B Y WILXIA M B OYLAN. . Payukle in At a Vc!. RALEIGH, (n. c.) THURSDAY, Je7A'loV 1809. j-NTo. 689. ,..;V. CONGRESS. h0U5EOF RE Pitt SEN T ATI V E S. . Friday, May 25.- . ' .... DEB TE - - ' L VaKditfiVt-tn'jiionfor.afiiroiun. tnc n..,fl. PM said that as an indefinite a. rk"" " . . . . l0ni!me::t was . ,,,n tor i , i tU,. ctiiin. and a reiectioil considered as tantamount for it prevents a renewal pt .... tl... lir.nru K'wl ll 1 f f 1 I" r I . in tli '.ICM nf reiy pertinacious petitioners ; uu, r....:,i f ku ir wn.ilri atram have froni sinuu nivT -f, .- roJof petitioners wlio,- he prcsu- ujd not entirely p;iven ui itc 'eIii,jjjh msclves on the public property fmile poitponeiuem ineivDemjj- c- hfoWji -reject iua, he certainly was op- I to the rejection ot his own motion. Ltf not' lave believed that this -motion jiave bseit " rejected by the House; I jl lies'"1'' "k" kVlVUUUj V"VUi-.v.. Ur- onoosed by those .-who condemned , QDintituJe ana irannness wun wuii.ii inc iiitnt h id proceeded to restore, as lar as Led on lrm, the intercourse -bet v. een Iso nations. ; It is this parl-oi the con of th President ot the United bt At t-s Mr. K Vpn which I mean to give an Ln-,1By; the President of ibt Unitott i n proclamation" and in that procla Ijii in my opinion, ne nas aeservea v,en Is country. "1 ak the gentleman trotn isylvaiiia(Mr. Kindely) it he is neat; e- Lh to hear me on this vast room, when I proposed bringing in review the whole tares of former administrations when 1 proposed an answer to an addresss to IWO Houses S 1 nave iirujjusci.1 jiu auui sir although . my mation is" nearly I motint to it ; because it so ntppens nut nlv act of which we have any knowledge, bt laying up'the gdn-boats in dry dock, 1 1 aalso most cordiall y approbate, is tins Ikig. Now, I have not the slightest on, if the gentleman chuses, that the' and worthy gentleman from Massac hu should insist on venire . on the conduct f former president of the United States 1 1 kg by self to be excused from serving As an unqualified juror I chuse to ex- 1 to myself for, really", aso one of thost dents, his .cieer does not seem yet to I ished it woii 1 d seem as if h? yet niedi- anothtriatch of midnight judgjijmil :r mianignt retreat irom me-capitoi. therefore except to myself as a juror a. I a or any other President. Dc mot tu: knum agreed, sir. Let t!;e gooci pndo- live after them and tlv evil N in their craves. But I would u'k Mfman from Connecticut ami th een Miom Penhsylvania also, if this. oii'e Mi' abstract propositions: How abstract, IT you ? Or if it be one of those iinmcan "positions, the discussion of which can rrno good to this House ? It "would be now to b trying: Mr. Adams oh pits of the sedition law,1 the 8 ner cent. Wany.wbeViBuch act ; it would answer e anil it would be equajly.idle -a?id W pass any' ojiinion on the merits or !ltsofdie first four or'last four ye;i:s- of N admiiiist ration for this plain reason Istun bolts'topori you cui bono ?Wnat' 'y good caTTTesult from it? But' is that e m relation to the Executive on' whose V t"isXsitioiYi vi-tt the hpf internet nf at,0'1 ? . Is that i mere idle discussion I !s" coins to thjs? Is this House, so u me Executive opinion I trust n3t, ut the ldfathat.its approbation of PMrse of national policy is to pass ctf tiisi Executire of tha.U. States ? Atis taking, higher doctrine, than was Wm&d y 'tliose W ho wish to see the t open Parliament bv a SDetxh from iro"e. and to see th ; faithful commons ,l0.Val and lmmble address in rvhU to - 'arm... ;..- . . l . 7:,,u.speech-1fom. the throne. It is y'Sr ground thao the minister- of "ry from v. liich .the -'nrecedent ""waa a- V l'1'.e weight of the House of Com-" ic r.i. . j jf ."'"iioosensibly thre for, their. incfi 15 not to be founded by motions from .lloi of opojUiou in relation to the great : told th at it is a mere-;wtter of moon- V 7-do approve the-conduct of the ot the government of the Unit '"s Qr disipprov it I Praise, in my opi-' &f ,K y ar'dnot prbdigally bestowed , ''ihebtSt reSOiirf Pki nf a natinn. AVhv .ouse called-upon aiKri am sorry to ,0,,tU a"d too lightlyt.to giv&-i il'J tllP rnnH . P .it i 1 ' I ' it becanse they are for it ; some because it doesjiarm, and some because it does no good. The caestion cannot be kept out of sight ; it bas been' presented to the American people and they bite decided it, decide yoU bow you may. . ' . :- - ' ' With respect to the gentleman's amend ment I need not tell him, I presume, that I shall vote, most pointedly against it, because, in my opinion, it does not contain the truth. The gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. Ba con) will be among the last of the members of this House to attribute to me an improper sentiment in regard to him when I say that it does not contain the truth. If the gentle man from Massachusetts chuses, in imitation of another Eastern nation, not those" who tried their kings after they were entombed, but those who consigned to one common grave the living and the dead if he be willing to attach the sound heajihy body ot the present administration -healthy so. far, and, 1 trusty fortifying itself .against contagions to the. dead corpse of the last, let him. He ' shall pot have my assistance in ' doing it ; nor liuve I the least desire to draw a matted , distinction Between' the two administration the . gentle man will hardly suspect that I am seeking favor at courf.- My. object is plain It is to say to the President that in issuing that pro- r elanuation he lias acted wisely and we approve i ol it. L know, sir, that there are men who ' coiidem the conduct of the President in issu ing the proclamation and why ? They say he was precipitate where was the ntcessi ty they wilUell you of declaring that the or ders in council will have been withdrawn ? This is the language of objection. There in a difference of opinion subsisting in this country on these two points. There are men who condemn this proclamation, and men who condemn the construction given by the Executive to the non intercourst; law. I approve both. I wish the President of the U. 6tates to have the approving sentiment of this House, and to have that approbation as , a guide-to -h is lulu re conduct and 1 - put - it- to ( the gentleman from Massachusetts whether it be fair to mingle it with the oldy stale, refuse stuff of the embargo. No, sir ; let him not pat his new wine into old bottles. There t.s a difference of opinion in this country. The President of Uuiteu tatts stands c.ondfmned hy men in this iiaticn, and, as I bwiieve,' iil this llnuse, for havi.ig issued that pioclamhon and pui "thai construction on the non-inter-coure law. I vibhjo see by ln.wjTany he is thus condv-mns; 1 dopt wish to see the question shirked, lo see it fifinlivd. If there beamaiority ol.th'e House, ail believe' there ii v i Msr nun to nave tnaiap as a guide to his fa"ure ..and a support to his pvesent ennduct. I is due to him. Sir. have I moved you a-nauseous sick', nins; icsolu tion sluffcti with i diilaiion ,? N- lhi;j- like it ; bvit a resolution trat.v' the promptitude und frankness vi'h iuch the Pteioynt oi-'.Iu; V. atatcs has liiil th overnues of die liriti'h government towards a resr.-ratum ol the anci- ent state ol tp'.iig-s between, the two cotn tries the statu prior to the. memfirable non-' importation act Ot I b06 meets the approba tion of this. I louse. I .either it does or it does not.' If it dyes, let us say so. ILit does-not, 4et us say so. If gentlemen think thib llouic never ought to express an opinion, but l-.ave the President to grope in the dark as to our views or get thein thrqtigh uiofrici channels, I presume the previous question will betaken or a motion maScle that the resolution lie on ths table. "The gentleman ' from Pennsylvania says, shall we go backhand approve owhat he conceives to be-.iimilar conduct cfjth'e late President of the'U. States in relation to the ' embargo. I hope not sir. But if a majority of this House chuses -to do so, let them. T shall say'xo. Hut why mingle tv.;o subjects together, on whi.chthcre does exist, and , I am aTnfid it. will leal: out on this very vote of in tlefr'tfte postponement, so very material a dif ference ofppimon in- different pans of the House ? rVW. KKamplu : I daunt think of the. offer about the embargo as the pentWmatC from Massachusetts and Pcnnsylvt'nia think ; and 1 think it probable that those trvb gen- Uemen do notjmk of tlvs proclamation und the coustruction given. to the noirnittfcourv-jr law as T thjnjc- tAnd-why shou Id yye n jak'e' a sort of hotch-p)tcTTof !vo tn.ihjects- on which we do not think alikei for the purpose of get ting us all united against both ? It is an old adage and a very Vhomelyone, perhaps too much so for the delicate ears of this assem bly, that if you put one. addled tgg into a pudding you may add fresh;ones adin'uitum, !ufepfou can never sweeteh it. And,- sir, I defy the gentleman from Massachusetts with all his political cookerv, by. pouringoiit of the jar.- ot our present situation into the fid v, in iavor ol the ccinduCt of the President, w isb 'him to have that ap jmhatjon expressed, siSht, Soine may b-agoiiht the embargo as it respected Giat Britain, and th4 situation in which Ave put ' ourselves in relarionto France and GreatBritain by the suspension of the non-iirtcrcourse act towards the latter. And. to tliV promptitude and frankness with which the President yfiet the oveiturts of the British ministry, do we chiefly owe the difference in thej'situat'on of th country. For, might not the President of the United States, instead of proclaiming that the orders in council will have been wUh dtwn, have proclaimed that when they shall be withdrawn, a renewal of intercourse shall take place ? And here, too ( comes the con stiuction gjven to the non-intei course act. On the question whether the renewal of inteV course on the-lOth day of June applied to a vessel, clearing: out hence of to her arrival in England, our government, (and I am oblig ed to them for it.) decided that it applied to the time wben the Vessel should arrive in England. 'Then, ir, if we take the tinaeAvhich will be required for a vioyage hence to Eu rope, 'His luce clariiii that the non. intercourse will never have been in force at all as to trade of export. Is that nothing ? And, lest the gentleman from Pennsylvania or any other gentleman in this House may get aUrmed at m Aup;irob:vtio!i of tbc administration of the government of the United States, I will state ttbein 1 do not wish to terrify ttrcm out of their opinions-.--! wish them to judge tle administration upon its merits, without reference to persons, as I have judged of the proclamation without reference to the parties concerned in the manufacture of it- Lest they $hotiid be too much alarmed at that appobati "a, I will state that my idea is that the President of the United Sta'es has but done his duty ; and that the minister of Great Britain has no cause to put on sack cloth and ashesior any concessions which he may have unwarily made to our government. If my strength will hold me out, sir, I will slate why. In the year 1306 we passed that -'miserable --4jId-noitinipoitioct--whkh-la3Vse5sion-we-- repealed aud i t ally, i,ir, we got rid of it with an adroitness which pleased me eKcecdingly. Never wasan obnoxious measure more hand somely smothertd. by its avowed friends. t.ciitlem-n said it was merged in the non-intercourse act, and therefore' as a matter of indiffeience they would rtpeal it ; and when the non-intei course act shall expire by its own limitation at tue end of this session or be sus pended by the Preside.M's proclamation, as it is in relation to Great-Britain, there is an end of both ; and thus the old measure, the old o ligiual sin to vvhich we owed our first difficul ties, was as completely gotten rid of as if a majority of this House had .declared it an un wise measure and therefore repealed it. T do recollect iu have heard one gentleman -.(LVlrT'' Eppfcs) say tf.at u!d(.-33-the section repealing this lw were stricken out he should-ijjt com pelrnd to vote against the non-intercourse bill. He conjured the 'House to clmgfto the old "non-importrttion act as the-last vestige and I symbolof resistance to British oppression i but the House was deaf to bis call, and the non-importation act was ' plun'getf beneath the wave, ntvtr (1. trust) to rise again. -When, therefore, the late President cif the U. Stales w.ade an offer to Great-Britain . to suspend the embargo as to iie." provided she would with draw her orders' in council, T will suppose, that she had accepted that offer. In what si-.' tua'ion would she have stood in "lekition tb the U. States ? ; Her fineIoths, htr kalber, her ships of her adversary ie excluded and the trade between us and that adversary, forbidden bylaw. Virile, therefore, V fm ready and willing to approve the conduct of the preseht administration, it is not because J conceive that they have effected any thing So very dif ficult, thai they have obtained 'any such mighty concession, but because they have Idone their duty. Yesi sir- we all ' recollect thebjectious made to the treaty negeciated by colonel Monroe and Mr. Pinkney on great'Teading accounts. 1st. that it'eont no express provision againsf jUie impresnL J of seamen. Is there any provision now macit No sir. The ext objection to the treaty was the note attached tp it by lords Holland and Auckland. What sir, did gentlemen on this floor say was the pui port of this note .That its object was to put us iia state of anrtty in respect to Great-Britain at the exptnee ofthe liskjjf collision with Prance. , On account of this note, the treaty and treaty-makers hac been politically damned. And ytt we are now, in point of fact, in that very situation in relation to the two nations, in which it" waa said 'that the British commissioners by the note aimed to place us and which was a suf ficient reason, 'acprding to the arguments of gentle mentor rejecting the treatyl'he note, was a sOrtjoT lien, gentlemen said tllit " would put us in a state of . hostility with re gard to France and amity with. regard to f jh gland. We re fu bed to jiive our b.ind,rfor such it was represented (ITowever unjustly ) k to be, to be sure, sir but we have paid the money. AVe baveiienie the ' very thing which, gentlemen say the note aimed to induce us w do. We have put ourselves in a situation vn dangeiing collision witli Prance and almost ensuring amhy with Eogland. We have de stroyed the old iioii importation act ; the non iiitercourse act is suspended s' to her ; trade is aga'ni Iree there is nothing bovrta prohibit ' her ships, whether for commerce or . war, from coming into our watev?, w hilst our trade wit.fi i France is completely cut off, and he , shi ps-e xcl iu!ed -f rom-ourNvalers. I canntii" too often c..i the aJtendon of the house to this tact on which I am Compelled to dwell and to dilale, to get rid of tljis merciless motionj vhich kills while it professes to cure ,' When Mr. Rose came into this countiy, French ships of war were freely 'admitted.' -Engjif-r -ships were- excluded ' ' ' 'J - As 14 the physician, in spite of himself," -says in one of Moliere's best comedies, cu a -z change tout eda the thing is wholly reversed We are likely to be on good terms with En gland, maugre the best-exertions- of sonie ot jur jMiliticians. Trade with threat Britain ij unshackled !ier" ships ,rc admitted trade with France is forbidden ; and French ships excluded, as far as It can -be done by pane r. Now, in the name of common sense, v. hat moie could Mr. Ganning iiimxelf want, tjUi) to produce this very stiikig- and sudden chunge in the rejatiuns "between-ihe-. two coun tries ? For a long lime 'previous it wq. tlu; ships of Engjand that wereexciTidtd7"iUiit " those "of her adversaries gre adroit.teji. And jye knov that we cou'd ltut have touced4.?" in a moie jealous" ooiht -than in her navy -5. Things are now reversed we hae-dextrons-ly shuffled the -non-importatiou act out -of the packf rtnowed trade with. her, admitted her " ships, and excluded those of Frutjce. And ;- yi.at, I ask this-.House, m the Briu3.h- rainis ', tier given us in requital for this chyagc oCoiir position in Veiutitn to, him imdrs rival i.'d-b-gtient ? The revoialioi of the ord ,rs in teuvj. watches, bev tvbis JisJind Lev that would .have I cd this is the : mighty boon. For,--.-with ie been prohibited ivdmi'lance into this country under tbe-old non-importation act of 1806, which would ha"fe been - in force. T'hat- act in point of fact had no operation on her adve-r-sary. ' Her ships would have beey prohibited the use 6f our w aters whilst Uie ships of war of her triemy were admitted. FJid that -mate' no difference ? That, sir, would have been ihe situation of ithc two countries, provided she had accepted the offer to suspend the e"nibar go to herstjf- -the old non-importation p.ct in operation, her ships of war excluded and her rivals admitted. I pray you, was ivpn hat the condition ol the country v. heii Mr, Hose arrived? Was there not some difficulty-under the . proclamation, in the aumission of the Sia- lra uigaie uearmg mar -minister nuo our wa mess ip sweeten it, VI am here prepared to rfmH.in, C r I'-.tj..-,' f '. , " WiTr i - " Lrove, as I conceive" that gentlemen- deny-it. i 'f2 Presented to -you and gentle ' "avnner ir voMu ,.r,;i a, "'ui Mi many aiiik.iiu- t-Hok, r . k'cy e-aiuiuu Rccj7 I -ivi -lias been radically, essentially and , vitally dif- iert ; tnac owing iq . mis ainerence is ine change which we . now experience in the state of our foreign affairs-; that there is no sort of analogy . between the offer to suspend lers" r A nd were not Pre nc h ships of war then and have thty not since betn riding quietly at Annapolis, Norfolk and elsewhere ? Has not in fact jme gallant cuptuin Decatur taken our -own stinpn out of one of tbenr? And yet, sir, the offer at that time made by us has been identified with the negocia ion between Mr. Sk,cretaly Smith and 'Mr. Erskine. What then .was her situation ? Th'etiortimportatifn act in forjle, her ships excluded and those of France admitted -and nothing: in force in rela lion to France except the embargo.' Wh" i" specttobis offer m, relation to sdii.sfaciion fi,-,. the attack on, the Che-iap -'jkc, hcnintle ;( at offer' to Mr. Monroe spontaneous)', on ti j spur of the occasiori, and there js;oi a t'oudv-"' in my mind but that sye had nothing to Co bu: receive it'ijt that time, provided the ins: ruc tions of our minister had' perrnitu-d him to re ceive it but perchance, sir, if he iia.:! r-eviVed it, we might Ji?.ve bten at thi day dict.:$s?.!r his tilessage, and not the mcsags:. of not'ser President. -AH that 'Mr. Canning h'p,i;.n . this country is a iciterutinn of hii olKr to make" reparation for the ,aiiAir ot .the .-Civ.-sT? "!evJ:ej and his wi.hdr:Wvd of ihe o'df-'s i:a council ar.db what did "thrJ7 amount ? So; soon -as youMjXou'i;V1' iti, ry rff 'y'i'i? trade vith Fran.ce, be agrees to revoke ttic )vd''r- I'lf 'Vripir ,yh it. ,,Mr. Canning well have wi'hdrvirblank pirrr mi'.it as now the situation of affairs'? Frade with ber is restored to the same situation in point of fact, i n -M'hi c h i t "Brood -when -centres 3 meH herein Jy05 6 at the memorable Jirst,ses--sion of ihe ninth congress which generated the , old 'non-importatiWact of 1806 Tier shir of.war la'Te adaiittr,sJjiHo our waters, her trad is freed from embarrssnieat, wbd.lhe They iiad uDihing left to operate upm -TI e bod;- upon which they were to opva-re v. destroyed by our own act; to wit,tu; tri.de t.F Fiance.: And,-sirr while-1 'conipl'mierit li-t: present str.te of things' and V.,: conduct :' the pi'.rt"-of 'Hnv governmen: -whkh huc. IcnI 0 it, I cannot say fhU we jiave "grc'y :: reached M.r. (anning in this bargain, In tf.-J.t ing an' exchange of tbiold tion-inipjrjflj,:;?';.! .-act- w it h t ltftsiori-otkUshH d c.Ne:Ti- sum of FiejtiHb- shins and trade, for the orcer -in cdjncU. MrVC im.ing obtaioed'as go'ed :..-. to oWiiin and tlT-e g"entlnien wHo ipealfbC his having heimelofore hacbit in his '..power to, have done the same, do not take fnto caleukt--, Uon the material differinre between the si m.v lion iu wliich we now and, and the situi-ju
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