The News and Observer.
VOL. XXXVIII. NO. 36.
TTEIE
THE FIRE FIEND AGAIN
ANOTHER BLOCK IN TIIE TOWN
OF KINS*'ON WIPED OUT
BY THE FLAMES.
IT WAS GF INCENDIARY ORIGIN.
Only One Store and One Residence in
the Whole Block Saved—The Entire
Town in Dang r ot Destruction—
The Loss is About $30,000, and the
Insurance Only SIO,OOO— Legislature
to be Vsked to Amend the Charter
so Water-Works May be Put In.
Special to the News and Observer.
Kinston, N. C., March 5.
Kinston is again the victim of the lire
fiend; another block is destroyed, with
the exception of two houses on each cor
ner, one a dwelling owned by Dr. John
A. Pollock and the other a double store
brick building occupied by J. B. Cum
mings and W. S. Fields.
The fire broke out about 1 o'clock ami
at 3it was under control. At one time
it was thought the whole town would be
destroyed, but the wind settled down
and by hard work the fire was quelled.
The finest work ever done in Kinston was
done in the saving of the Cummings
building and the Pollock mansion.
The fire is thought to be incendiary.
The following are the losses: V. L.
Hicks, Col. G. E. Kornegay, Chas.
Dunn, Col. O R. Hicks, Col. J. O. Bee
ton, David Walsh, Dawsou Bros., R. C.
Hay, Mrs. Matilda Cummings, W. F.
Moore, F. N. Nunn, Col. Nat. Hum
phery, Dr. Jao. A. Pollock, (office.)Lewis
Grady,
The loss is about $30,000. Insurance
about SIO,OOO. Buildings across the
street were damaged. This fire was on
Main street, as was the fire, last Thurs
day.
The town is still here and ready for
business. Our people are not discour
aged.
Water works will be erected if the
Legislature amends the charter so we can
levy a special tax for that purpose.
The following is a list of insurance
oompaaies, and the losses sustained by (
them in last Thursday's fire: Vir
rinia State, $3,900: Georgia Home, .
10,525; Hertford, $12,750; New York
Unioa, $5,850; Atlanta Home, $4,800; j
JBtna, $4,650; Yirginia Fire and Marine,
$7,105; Phoenix Home. $1,000; Britannia. I
$3 ,000; Insurance Company of North !
America, $5,250; New York Home,
$9,750; Carolina, $1,500; Agricultural,
$1 ,0$0; Norrh Carolina Home. $400;
Continental, $1,780; American, $4,300; I
Western, $7 600; Greenwich, S7OO,
WANT IT TO ADJOURN.
Mea ms alt Parties Declare They a:e
Disea-Ld With the Legislature.
Special to the News and Observer.
Winston Salem, N. C., March 5.
A letter from Vienna township, this
county, says that 1 eraocrats, Pepuhli
cans and Populists in this section are
disgusted with the present Legislature
and will be proud of the day for its ad
journment.
Daring his sermon Sunday, one of
Winston’s leading pastors remarked:
“Look at our present Legislature! It is
a laughing stock to the whole country.”
A State division of the Travelers' Pro
tective Association was organized in
Winston to-night.
Sheriff IfcArthur carried Joe Sapp to
the penitentiary yesterday. He is the
only man sent to the pen during the re
cent term of court. He gets five years
for ineest.
Invitations have been issued for the
marriage of oue of Winston’s popular
daughters. Miss Carrie Briggs. She will
wed Mr. Eugene T. Kapp, of Baltimore,
who was the Republican candidate for
sheriff during the last campaign.
The Winston Aldermen decided last
night to contribute $25 monthly to the
Twin City Hospital Association toward
the running expenses of the hospital.
Winston shipped over two hundred
thousand poinds of manufactured to
bacco during the past week. The stamp
revenue collections aggregated $13,-
784 07.
OFF TOR NORTH CAROLINA.
Tb« President and His Party Now
limiting in the Sound*.
Washington, D. C,, March s.—The
President left Washington this morning
on the light house tender Violet, which
is to make her regular tour of inspec
iion in the light house district, including
the Sounds of North Carolina.
The President was accompanied by Dr
O’Reilly, his physician, Commander Gto
DeF. Wilde,Naval Secretary of the Light
House Board, and Commander Benjamin
P. L&mberton, inspector of the light
house district. The cruise of the Viol t
will cover about the same territory as
was uovered on her former trip with Mr.
Cleveland. The trip is likely to last for
a week or ten days
Earthquake Shock at Winston.
Bpiraial M the News and Observer.
Winston, N. C., March 5.
A distinct earthquake shock, lasting
several seconds, was felt at ten o’clock
last night. Buildings were shaken but
no damage was done.
Earthquake in Virginia.
Kmmmond, Va. March 5. A Wythe
ville special to the Dispatch says: A
fifteen minutes to ten o’clock to-night a
very perceptible earthquake shock was
felt here. Houses shook, windows and
furnitnre rattled and unsteady objects
perceptibly. The shock lasted
abM* thirty seconds.
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A WHOLE fthVC.i BLOWN CP.
j Two Lives ami SIOO,OOO of Property
Destroyed l»y a Ga* Explosion.
Anderson, Ind., March 5. — The most
destructive natural gas explosion in the
history of the Indiana gas belt occurred
! here at four o’clock this morning. A
$75 000 business block on tie
the court bouse square was blown ove r
all the central part of the city’. In the
building were the When Clothing stores,
Prathers’ shoe store, Hadley’s drug store,
and a large number of business offices
and ball on the upper lloor.
Fire followed the explosion which w a
like an earthquake and the remains of
the debris began burning fiercelv. The
entire fire department was called out
an 1 prevented the fire from touching the
■ new court house.
Attorney Ballard and County Com
j missioner Metcalf lived in rooms above
! the When store, and it is feared they
have perished.
The loss on the building and contents
is total and will reach $400,000. The
fronts of all business houses in the
neighborhood of the explosion were de
molished, paved streets ripped open, and
telephone cables torn down.
DISCUSS!'G TIIE BOYCOTT.
I’rest. Ilollman Confident the Court*
will Decide in Favor of hi* Line.
Baltimore, Md., March s.—President
R Curson Hoffman, of the Seaboard
Air Line, left this evening for Norfolk,
Va., for the purpose of meeting Vice-
President St. John and discussing with
him the boycott which has beeu declared
against the Seaboard by the Southern
Railway and Steamship A&sociation.
The hearing of the application to make
the injunction permanent, which the
Seaboard has obtained against the West
ern & Atlantic and Nashville. Chatta
nooga & St. Louis, restraining them from
joining the boycott, is set tor next Sat
urday at Atlanta.
President Hoffman aaid to day that he
felt confident that the court would de
cide in favor of his line, in which event
the ooycott will be practically useless, as
wirhout the co operation of those lines
the Southern Railway and Steamship i
Association could not make it effective.
Half Rate* on the Seaboaid.
Atlanta, Ga., March s—The5 —The Sea j
board Air Line is making the boycott i
very hot for its opponents. To-morrow j
it will cut the passenger rates from At- ;
lanta and other places along its line j
throughout the South to northern points I
half in two, tickets being good for thirty
days.
St. Johns’ policy is to make the war
severe ard short. He states that the ,
Seaboard will not enter the Southern
Railway and Steamship Association un- j
til a new manager is elected to succeed i
E. B. Stahlman. Railroad men predict j
that the Seaboard will whip the boycott
and compel Commissioner Stahiman
either to declare it off or it will break up
the Association.
HALLS OF CONGRESS DESERTED
Repre*enta;ives and Senator* Leaving j
Washington for Their Homes,
Washington, D. C., March s.—The
official statement of the appropriations
made by the 53rd congress, and npon
which Mr. Sayers, the chairman of the
House Committee on Appropriations is
now engaged, will probably be made
public to morrow. Mr. Dockery ot Mis
souri expects to prepare what he calls
“A few feeble remarks” on the subject,
and Messrs Henderson of lowa, and
Cannon, of Illinois, two of the Republi
can members or the committee will also
give publicity to their view's. It is in
tended that ail shall be given out at the
same time.
The House chamber presented the us
ual holiday appearance to-dtey. A large
number of Representatives left the city
last night and this morning, and not
more than two score of the members of
the las* House were about the capitol.
Mr. Crisp spent several hours in his
committee room bringing up the arrears
of his personal correspondence. It is his
intention to start South the last of the
week.
TUB INCOME TAX CASES.
Argument to lie Heard Thursday lo
Determine ilk CodnUlutionalily.
Washington, I). C., March s.—The
cases in the Supreme Court of the United
States to determine the constitutionality
of tho income tax law will bo argued
probably on Thursday of this week
They are three in number—two from
Ne w York, in which stockholders of the
Farmer’s Loan and Trust Company, and
the Continental Trust Company sue for
injunctions to restrain tho directors of
those corporations from voluntarily com
plying with the provisions of the law;
and ore from the* District of Colombia,
in which John G. Moore, a New York
broker, sues for an injunction to restrain
Joseph S. Miller, Commissioner of Inter
nal Revenue, from carrying the law into
effect.
An imposing array of legal talent will
appear, including Joseph 11. Choate, ex-
Attorney General B JI. Bristow, Jere
rouh-M Wilson and Clarence S. Seward,
in opposition to the law, and Hon. Jas.
O. Carter and Assistant Attorney Gene
ral E. B. Whitnoy in support of the
statute.
It is probably that Attorney General
f)luey himself, will take part in the ar
gument should his health permit him to
do so.
Havana, March s.—Martial law has
been declared in the province of Santa
Clara as the result of the uprising of two
insurgent bands, one of them under the
lead of t he notorious bandit Malagas.
RALEIGH. N. C.. WEDESDAY. MARCH 6, IB9S.
BUTLER’S WHITE ELEPHANT.
■ Otho Nominated, lint Fifteen Fn*i< n
ist* Smash the Spatter-Board.
The Populist caucus met last night,
Hileman in the chair. Resolution offer
ed to turn out Captain Roberts as Keeper
jof the Capitol. This brought Harry
Skinner to his feet in one of the best
speeches of his life in indignant and
eloquent opposition to the monstrous
proposition. Before Col. Skinner was
through the members began to ask
whe- were they at, and Mew borne got
uj*.Syd said the Populists would stand
by idHberts, and take whatever burden
that went with it. Under the spell of
Skinner's words, the vote was put and
wms for Rolierts to a man.
Skinner Saves the Soldier.
The doors were then opened for a
while to admit Russell and his Wilming
toh cohorts in behalf of the change of
that city’s charter. Russell’s jowls os
ciliated with down east convictions,
until the roof of his white hat lmd
several holes in it. But the matter went
over and Russell went out.
Bagwell, member from Wake, moved
to go into the election of Railroad Com
missioner Hileman put the vote and
announced 21 to 19 in favor of election,
though there are others who do declare
that the vote was 21 to 19 against. But
this is simply a matter of small arithme
tic which however sank deeply into
thehearts of Fowler and fifteeu
more arithmeticians who added his
way, and in a high dudgeon
they left the caucus in a body swearing
that they never would vote for Orho,
whose nomination was thus foreshad
owed. Kiichin hustled out for carriages
to get up his crowd to supply the vacant
seats of his bolte r friends, but it was no
go. Butler was there and made a talk
for Otho. He was followed by Bagwell,
who nominated Otho, while McCaskey
put Kuchin in nomination.
Otho Nominated.
The vote resulted thus ; Wilson 32, Kitch
in, 9 and the Gideonite was declared the
nominee. Two votes were cast for
Graham from Warren. An ugly hubbub
followed and wicked words .against Wil
son and murmurs against Distators.
The s ecches were rough, but Butler had
left and was spared the hearing of them.
Next came Code Commission. To be
short, the Republican demands were
conceded. Spier Whitaker was thrown
overboard Guthrie was chosen, and
given the selection of a clerk, while the
other two were given to the Republi
cans.
Butter’* Endorsement ol Olho.
But about another matter: it so bap
pens that there is a letter in the wind,
written within two weeks from Butler to
a Robeson county rnau in which the Ben
ator is said to have expressed the opin
ion that O Lo was n- t fit for the place,
that be was a white elephant, that h
would do less harm as Railroad
Commissioner than anywhere < he, that
he was a ieutenant who deserved
reward, that there was nothing to do but j
to appoint him Moreover, the senti |
meuts < f this letter here given in sub
stance, wer *xp essed by Butler, it is
said, within the past two weeks, to a
Raieigh "C'it to Butler’* ro ra
iop-otest against Wils nV. selection.
Wilson ha*, it is said, been aware for
the last few days of these sentimeu s,
and has been rattled about it. I asked
Mr. Butler oil Lo deny writing the
letter; he said: l l do not remember it ”
I asked him did he express such in
opinion to the Itaieigh man: he replied:
“I do not express opinions.” These re
marks are simply written to jog
Mr. Butler’s memory: perhaps he
can find the letter or recall the
party referred to: if not proof
of what is stated here can be produced,
which no doubt will be satisfactory to
him, and if Otho forgets that he h;vs
known of the opinion of Mr. Butler, or
doobts the truth of if. he, too will be
furnished with proof in case of his de
nial. In oiher words, denial of the sub
stantial correctness of tliis charge is
challenged from Mr. Butler. Meantime:
the new commissioner (provided always
that he be elected) will have the solace of
knowing that whatever Mr. Butler may
have thought of his nnfitnefsfor railroad
commissioner recently, he nevertheless
must have changed his mind with
» rapidity that was a mark
of nothing less than a brilliant mind,
when last night he came forward as the
champion of Otho, The Greater, who
was once comparatively a mere Glamis
of Rbamlatte.
The Pow-Wow of Committees.
Th# Republican Conference Commit
tee sounded the Populist Committee last
night, and the Pop Committee agreed to
let the Republicans have 2 Code Com
m'ssioners and Judge of the Eastern dis
trict, and the lie publican members
who were the special friends of tho
Code Commissioners agreed to accept
what the Pops, agreed to let them have.
The Pops, to take one Code Commis
sioner, Commissioner of Agriculture, R.
It. Commissioner and the “Pen.” But
there are many Republican members
who will positively not submit., and will
kick at the Reyublicau caucus to be held
to-night.
Lynching |* Feared.
Jacksonville Fla., March 5. —Yes
terday evening, near Bowling Green,
DeSoto county, Fla., llenry Jordan
ravished the nine year-old daughter of
Mr. Stevens. The child may die from
her injuries. Jordan is a white man
and has a wife. He has been arrested
and jailed at Arcadia. Lynching is
feared. The child is in a critical condi
tion.
THE BATTLE ROYAL
FIGHT AGAINST STATE AID TO
HIGHER EDUCATION COMES
TO A FOCUS.
STRONG SPEECHES YESTERDAY.
President \\ inston, Dr. Columbus Dur
ham, Maj. W. A. Guthrie, Judge
Bussell, Rev, Ur. Skinner, Messrs,
Peele, Caddell, District Attorney
Aycock and Itev. Link Speak—Hot
Debate Before the Joint educational
Committee-
The fight against State aid to higher
education which has been spread over
the State for many months came to a
focus yesterday in the State Library,
when the Educational Committee ad
journed the evening before, things were
at fever heat. Dr. Winston, President
of the State University, and Dr. Dur
ham, leader of tho fight against State
aid, had engaged in a heated debate in
which personalities were freely used,
and Dr. Winston had denounced as utterly
false the statement that he bad tried to
reduce thest udents of the denominational
colleges ar.d pro.-elyte them to the Uni
versity. Dr. Durham had replied that
the statement was due, and he was pre
pared to read a letter in Dr. Winston’s
own hand writing to prove it. And in
the mid*t of all this the committee ad
journed.
When it reas:embled at 4 o'clock yes
terday afternoon, the room was crowded
by persons interested in education, and
anxious to hear the matter fully dis
cussed.
Dr. Winston was the first speaker.
In opening he referred to his colloquy
with Dr. Durham before the committee
Monday. He said that he regretted it
ex< et diugly, and thought that no per
sonalities should be allowed to enter into
this discussion; but as it had been per
mitted and charges had been made re
fleeting on him personally, he would
take this occasion to deny them em
phatically and unequivocally. He declar
ed that he had only answered letters,
and done his best to conduct the institu
tion of which he was in charge in a
proper mauner. And even if the charges
had been true the committee were not
the proper pers-ns to take them under
cor side ration; all such matters, he said,
.should conae under the supervision of the
80 University Trie question,
he added, and the only question before
this committee was whether North Caro
lina would have a University, and if so,
what kind of University.
Dr. Durham next addressed the com
mittee. He said that the committee of
which he was chairman, had agreed
never to come before a legislative com
mittee or any other. They had decided
to fight it out before the people if it took
ten years. But on Monday he had been
ca'ded out by questions from members of
the committee. In reference to the col
loquy with Dr. Winston, be
said that the charge that he
was trying to tear down the
University was absolutely false, and no
honest man would s*y otherwise. He
declared that he was fighting the senti
Hie t that there was no pi ce iu the edu
cational system for den- mi national
school*. lie believed that the wisest
policy whs to separate the University in
toto from the State, give it a self-petpetu
ating board, let its friends throughout
the whole eouutry come to iLs ic cue and
endow'it and stop for-ver this row be
fore each recurring legislature.
“To impress the State with numbers
seems to be the idea of tho present man
agement of the University. A certain
system of scholarships has been devised,
and in this way the number is increased.
“The President of the University says
he has not. solicited pupils from other in
stitutions to attend the University. I
say that he has 1 have here the proof.”
He then read an extract from a pamph
let issued by the University, saying that
any one, whether in school or not, is in
vited to correspond with any of the pro
fess <rs in regard to any educational
matters. He also read a circular, say
ing: “A limited number of rooms with
service ar»> provided free.” “That means
a nigger to vvait on you,” said Dr Dur
ham. “Isn’t that an inducement ? Sup
poso ten boys are thus induced to leave
Trinity College at which they pay S7O
tuition, that would be taking away S7OO
from the institution.’’He a Do read a letter
da:od Sept. sth, in which Dr. Winston
told of the free scholars \ and the ad
vantages of the Uuiversk (Dr. Win
ston says this letter was\ .nswer to a
letter of inquiry). “I h* te beard of
more than fifty such letters u. the State,”
said Dr. Durham. He als< read the
statement published in the two Raleigh
dailies and signed by Dr. Winston, in
which twenty University students made
a statement of their personal condition.
Ha said: “These t wenty students are the
worst off in the University, and out of
these only four receive scholarships;
that’s not the class that get the scholar
ships. If we could receive tho » araes of
the holders of scholarships we would
find them sons of the most well-to-do
citizens of the State. ” He said Georgia
is perhaps the greatest in the South, and
the same question had l>eeu debated
there. The presidents of all the colleges
in the State were invited to address the
legislature. The legislature ceased to
help tho University, and if doesn’t re
ceive one siugle dollar of help from the
State. They say we are try ing to tear
down the University. There is not a
solitary word of truth iu it. “When our
motives are called in question and we
are represented as unpatriotic, it is time
for us to .show the legislature
what we mean. If the appropriation is
withdrawn the descendants of the men
I who have graduated at Chapel Hill for
i a hundred years will come to its rescue.
* * * But shall we by legislation
freeze these men who are doing the same
grade of educational work out of the
field. * * * What have you done for
j the public schools ? You have not done
anything as yet. A larger and better
foundation work in public scho Is would
harmonize all the higher educational in
j stitutions of the State. We are told that
| the constitution demands that the State
j support the University. This discussion
has at least exploded that. Dr. Winston
, says the University is the head
|of the public school system; and
! the article of the constitution
he quotes has not been there in t wenty -
seven long years. * * * I have
spoken on this subject in thirty counties,
and I expect to speak in every county iu
the State, and we mean to talk to every
community in North Carolina until some
thing more is done for the children. * + *
I am a friend to the University. In
pursuing this course of State aid you
cannot centre the affections of the peo
pie on the institution. No institution
has ever been made a great University
while it bad its hand in the Treasury.
* * I do not think I will ever
speak before a Legislative Committee
agaiu. It is an accident that lam here
now. We won’t appear before the Legisla
ture, but wo will go to the people.”
Mr. Ewart here interrupted: “Was
that question agitated in Wake county
in the last election.”
Dr. Durham: “Yes, sir, it was.”
Mr. Ewart: “Were not the Democrats
understood to favor the appropriation
and the fusionists to oppose it?”
Dr. Durham: “I believe so.”
Mr. Ewart: “How did yon vote?”
Dr. Durham: “The straight Demo
cratic ticket, as I always have done.”
Mr. Ewart: “Then you didn’t vote as
you shot?”
Dr. Durham: “A Democratic lawyer
now living in Raleigh sent tome through
Mr. W. N. Jones, a threat that if the
agitation of this question was carried so
far as to defeat the Democratic candi
dates,they would scratch Charley Cooke,
because he was a Baptist, and Charley
Cooke was the worst beaten man in North
Carolina. I shot as I saw fit.”
Mr. Ewart: “I’veno doubt of that.”
Dr. Durham: “The man who would’nt
stand by that is no more fit to be a citi
zen of the State than Josephus Daniels
is to run a newspaper.”
And then the great orator anil s f ates
man and sometime minister of the gospel
sat down.
Mr W. J. Peele was the next speaker.
He said he was a trustee of the Universi
ty and if Dr. Durham wanted to make
auy complaint agaiust Dr. Winston the
place to make it was before the Universi
ty Board of Trustees who would hear
him patiently. He read the tw'o sections
of the Constitution relating to the Uni
versity, and said that the Cous’itution
pledged the State to the support of the
University. Scientists say that the more
rapidly a body moves the more friction
it creates, and according to this Dr
Winstou has been moving quite rapidly.
The only real question before the com
mittee is whether the University is a
monopoly, whether it has a monopoly of
higher education. Not one hundredth
part of the boys who ought to be iu col
lege are there now, and these
colleges are fighting over the few
that now attend these institutions.
Wherever there is a conflict of human
interests there is always friction. Wake
Forest College is suffering no more than
the business interests of the country are
suffering. It is due to the financial
situation.”
Mr. Ray asked if Mr. Peele thought
the free scholrships at the University
should be abolished.
Mr. Peele: “This is so small a matter
that I haidly think it worth the ink
and paper it would take to repeal it.”
Jim Young, tho colored Representative
from Wake, stated that Slate aid was
discussed in Wake county, and that the
white Baptists did just as the Demo
crats always did: talked one way and
voted another.
Rev. Dr. Thomas Skinner then
took the floor. He said : “It
doesn’t make any difference to me
what you do in this matter you can’t
keep me from loving the University, my
alma mater, and I love Wake Forest—
perhaps a little better. I consider it ex
ceediugly unfortunate that thi re should
be any conflict between these institution-
o f higher education. Dr. Winston soon
after bee -ming president, met a commit
tee from the B iptist State Convention in
my study, and there said some things
then that I deeply regretted.
It looked to me too much like “hurtling”
and I greatly regretted it. * * * IT
this money were turned into the public
school fund it would give new life to the
school system, which is lagging far be
hind. * * * I hope this matter may
soon be adjusted; there ought not to be
any tight, between these institutions and
no friction. We ought to do alt that we
can to briug about harmony and peace.”
Maj. Willl.m A. Guthrie was then
called upon. He said he bad hoped that
the time would come v. In n newspaper
m.n wupL edit their newspapers, and
preachers fill their pulpits and the coun
ty have peace; but it did not seem fast
approaching. The University was great
er than all parties, the men who origin
ated the government put this institu
tion of higher learning in the very Con
stitution itself. He said he regretted to
sec these gentlemen attacking the Uni
versity in this way, trying to throttle it.
Why not go openly before tho Legisla
ture with an amendment to the consti
tution ? Why by innuendo try to tear
down this institution that wo have til
sworn to support ? “I am sorry to hear
Dr. Durham state that he started life as
a law breaker. Now I am a poor sinner, <
PRICE FIVE CENTS.
I a poor lobbying member, and a memlter
| of a despised church, a church that some
: of its enemies say has little to do with
I religion, and a church that has nothing
| to do with politics.
“I, like Dr. Durham, shouldered a
I musket and fought as a private in the
| ranks of those that followed I/e, before
I was old enough to vote. When the
officer came around with the hat to col
lect the votes he asked me if l wanted to
vote. I told him I v asn’t old enough. He
said we didn’t have to take any oath and
that would bo all right. But 1 told him
my political views did not accord with
mast, of my comrades, and he then said
“ib'll, you're not old enough to vote.”
“Gentlemen, when you touch this Uni
versity question you are treading on
j thin ice. I am sorry to see in this
fight ministers of the Gospel, fol
lowers of the Prince of Peace, who
went about doing good. I am soriy to
see (his cloud rising. It was intended
by the founders of thj.s government that
I Church and State should be forever
; separate. They put it in the fundamental
: law of the State that they should be
kept separate. If the Constitution
allowed it and I was a member of this
General Assembly I would vote to make
an appropriation to Wake Forest Col
lege.”
Dr. Durham: “We wouldn’t take it.
The history of the Church for five hun
dred years is against taking money from
| the State.”
Maj Guthrie: “Then why play the
dog in the manger and refuse to the
University what you will not have. You
now propose to blend religion and poli
tics. The Senator from Macon said, if
he could put the responsibility on the
Populists and Republicans to destroy the
University, he would do it as a matter of
party policy not of patriotism. The Re
publican party has a record concerning
the University, which I, as a Republi
can, am not proud of. You do not want
to commit political suicide. The party
that undertakes to tear down this insti
tution will find its friends in every
township that will denounce the party.
If you want to make it an issue why not
offer it as a constitutional amendment.
If it is made a square fight I will be
found fighting for the University though
only a corporal’s guard is left. I can say
with Webster: “If I have not the spirit that
makes martyrs I have none of that which
drags angels down.” I will stand by the
State University and the Constitution
under which we live.”
Dr. Skinner : “I thought Maj. Guth
rie was a Democrat.”
Maj. Guthrie: “Yon never made a
I greater mistake in your life. I am first
of ail a North Carolinian.”
Dr. Skinner : “I don't believe the
University will be hurt by taking away a
part of the appropriation. Can’t we
have some economy in this matter ? This
prejudice against denominational col
leges nestles in the heart of a certain
class that have no denominational col
lege of their own.”
Mr. Ewart: “I understood this gentle
man to say that if this Legislature did
not settle this question some other Leg
lature will. Will it be made an iasae
before the people ? How can yon expect
to have a Legislature opposed to this
appropriation as long a* you vote against
the men who oppose it ?”
Mr. Skinner : “I will not vote for any
man who is for taking away the entire
appropriation.”
Judge I). L. Russell then spoke. He
said these ministers had a right te eeme
here, as much as anyone else, and ex
press their views, especially on questions
of education or morality “The lightniDg
could not strike this Legislature without
seriously thinning out the pulpit. I
have seen the time since I left Chapel
Hill when I was not especially devoted te
it. I have felt that men who held the
same views as I did had not quite an
equal showing there, but whatever of
resentment I may have had, it is all now
past. There is nothing of that now, the
people of North Carolina have now got
the University and can now control it
Chapel Hill is supported by the State
not iu the interest of any class, it is sen
tin l!y a popular institution. The time has
come when men of all shaees of thought
can meet together order her groves. The
shades, and shadows and soil of Chapel
Hill is sacred iu thousands of North
Carolina horns s The man who seeks to
attack that institution and break it down
is attacking the old common vealth itself.
I would not have the men who rode to
victory on this popular movement in
Noith Carolina antagonize the Universi
ty. Wo are not its enemies bnt its
friends, and we must elevate it, make it
higher and better.” (Applause).
United States District Attorney Chas.
B. Aycock, was called upon. lie paid
he didn’t understand this contest. The
gentlemen said: “We love the University,
God bless it, therefore we will take
away the ""propriation ” They would
upbuild University by taking away
the app.opiia’ion. * * * There is
no competition in education. Let th®
State run the University, the Baptists
Wake Forest, the Methodists Triaity,
ami the Episcopalians their own schools.”
Dr. Skinner: “Where have the Episco
palians i\ college.”
Mr. Aycock: “Let them build oa®
of their own, 1 know what was
in the Doctor’s mind, but it shall
not find utterance through mo.
I went to the University without rel ig
ion and I c uno away a Christian and a
Baptist. All religions stand on the same
footing at the University. It has be«a
forever settled that State and Chnreh
are and must be independent and forever
separate.”
Mr J C. Cadddl then spoke. He
said this discussion had made him kaow
“m re aL<,ut the Uuiver.'-ity than I ever
knew bt fore. If these gentlemen weuld
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