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m I / / I- - The Winston-Sal I V The Chronicle Saturday Augus t -JflE -jWyall:. . The first pho< is the oldest GldTimers Gj By Robert Eller The first owners were: Sports Editor Will Davis, president; The Old Timers Game Will Harding; vice presiset to be played at Ernie dent; Morris Lawson; Shore Field Sunday Au- manager; and Wince gust 14 between the Old Rucker secretary vand Time Pond Giants and the treasurer. . Old Time All Stars may be Hill joined the team in just a time for fans to relax 1916 as a 16 year-old third from the serious competi- baseman. Now 77 and a tion of baseball for some successful insurance bro1 but fof manv of the kpr. ihat Vio woo I players and especially for playing college baseball Edward Hill and Dude Jor Shaw University and Allen it will be much was scouted by the team - more. To the many former and asked to play. 4 'I was Pond Giants and their old only 16 playing with a time-fans it is a game to team of men. We played * bring back memories of all the top black teams in I* the days when the 4eam ?the country such as the was the pride of Winston- Atlanta Black Crackers, Salem. The Pond Oiants, the Washington Potothe oldest semi-pro base- macs, Baltimore Black ball team in the nation, Sox, Knoxville, Nashville, founded in 1914 have a Norfolk All Stars,?and -?proud tradition few base- others.?Playing? ball fans or players can was a full time job and we recall. Allen and Hill played for a percentage of ~ however have vivid mem- the'gate we didn't have a ories of these legendary set salary. We did pretty ?years- well however averaging Allen was a bat boy on about $40 a week which is the first Pond Giants team more than the average of 1914. According to factory worker made at Allen the team was that time. We traveled in organized and named that a car caravan and stayed year by Morris Nelly in boarding houses." Lawson, who was owner of "The ball park," he what was then called went on, "was where Woodland Drug Store. Shiloh Baptist Church is Mr. Lawson pitched and now. It was called Prince played outfield for the Albert Park." Attendance team in its early years. was much better then than A&T W-S Renews football Rivalry? Greensboro, N.C. - 645 points to WinstonAlthough it may not Salem's 150. That figures receive the notoriety^ as out to an average of 35.8 some of the big rivalries points for the Aggies across North Carolina, the compare<Uo 8.3 points for Winston-Salem State the Rams per game. North Carolina A&T The A&T offensive competition has to rank supremacy should contiamong the most spirited nue this year with the of all athletic events. return of All-American On Saturday, Septem- quarterback candidate ber 3 at Greensboro V Ellsworth Turner. Turner Memorial Stadium, the was named the MVP in football rivalry between the Mid-Eastern Athletic the two schools will Conference last season as renew. The last time the he broke all of the Aggies and the Rams met league's single season in football was 1969. and career passing marks. I To say the Aggies have Turner finished seventh I dominated the series in the NCAA Division II I would be a gross in forward passing, 13th I understatement. A&T in total offense and 20th in I holds a spotless 18-0 mark scoring in 1976. . over their neighbors from I nearby Winston-Salem. The return of receivers Most of the Aggie's wins Allen Thomas and Bruce I have been very convincing Black coupled with a I with scores like 60-18 defense led by Mutual I <1963), 50-12 (1964), and Black Network AH-Amerind C-U&0 (1968V. can, Dwaine "Pee Wee" The closest Winston- Board, All-ME AC defen Salem has come to a givie and Lucein Nibbs, B victory was in 1958 when and versatile linebacker the Aggies slipped by with George Small, may be a 14-12 win. another long evening for Overall A&T has scored the Rams. t em Chronicle lijplilii ^ ^y':X;!:!:W^j!y!i!'ly:' - ^ -* V gala*- Mj?"g HevrsLk?ii jar ?- v . * < _ it," -Z'- -$rA ~' ' ~i^' ti. tlz- JEL _i_ _? * jr f * |fF Mir .? $ f i ?kih I ~ /_! t' ' .o ever taken of the Winston-Salem Pond Giants. Found semi-pro baseball team in the nation. ame Brin g B a it is now according to Hill, great players on that 1916 "On weekends the park team," he recalls. "Tom would lie completely Tolliver, and Lefty Gray filled, (around 3,500 fans) were two of the best, and and when we had a three Johnny Hopp who was a game series with one of school boy like me was an the top teams like oustanding pitcher. He Baltimore or Knoxville played for North Carolina Reynolds would let the A&T." Hill remembers factories out at twelve Chappie Johnson of the oclock on Thursday and Norfolk All Stars as one of Friday to see the games." the great players of that Those were the days era. "He was a great during World War II when receiver and handler oi the Pond Giants were the pitchers. He may not have only team in Winston been as good a batter as Salem. Allen said admis- Gibsop_^ut he was bettei sion then was about .25 defensively. Dick Lundj cents. who played shortstop foi Hill said baseball in the Atlantic City Bacaracl those <Hys was somewhat 1 c different from the way it I ^1 * a J was portrayed in the ^ , * movie '.'Bingo Long and By Robert Eller Sports Editor and Motor Kings . We w.nston-Salem s vernever paraded through 8ion o{ ^ ..g^ Red town to chaw our ?owdS Machine? the winston Ho-tiie-baU paritr-When we SaRHrlndian-s enj ted for arrived the people already a totaJ of 46 ^ ^ four knew we were scheduled game, to hrBeza thro?ph rto play a game. There the Second win_ would e signs and 8ton Salem Baseball banners all around the League Tournament July town and in businesses 31 through August 7 ^ and we never had a calling daim the championship. out pitch we just took the Th t slugging first field and played serious baseman c JSfn was baseball. All the teams named the event8 most were good. I played va]uable player collecting against Josh Gibson when 9 Wt8 ^ 16 at bat8 for a he was just getting goo tournament batting started. "We had some average The Indians scored at least 8 runs in each of ^ 1 their four games. On U Monday night they defeated the Astros 8-3 as Gary Groc^, went the distance for the win. The TnHioria lo/^ A_0 rrrxi v? r? UlVAiUllO 1VU U1VU the sixth inning when pinch hitters Frank Carl ton and Ben Norris slugged back to back homeruns to insure the A&l: JL win. Norris the ^events f leading homerun hitter hit I *? < V 01b |f' | another towering home m m IJMpk< run in the seventh. H ^ The champions faced ^eir s^i^^st test on Friday r fcSi ' sZZti'tUnk night against the Greens- ritrfli boro Knights. They went into the bottom of the ninth inning trailing by a score of 12-7. With two 11^- out Fuzzy Marion drew a * hj P:x [ 2828 N. U ' ^ ?- 72s'A iT, 1 ^IN I Q_A Mam _ l?i r 1| Kw 5 Ellsworth Turner, 1 j, Ail Work Hi All-American I A_ _ ... 4 o Over 20 Yea QB Candidate, ' P I ? - _ ?? *X'!;XVXV!*X'X'X'X\^ x%*x<N<?>XvX%%n<*Xn%%'XS'X?x?xx^x,,w,r*x*x ~~ ? ; ^sf' ' 11 j\ l ^ ^ ?? mi j ii .? ed in ivh. It ck Memories Giants was the best player Trust Company. Hill has I ever played against. He many fond memories of wasn't a long ball hitter baseball. "Things weren't but he was consistent. He like they are now. Nobody almost always got a hit played football or basketand he was a great base ball it was all baseball, stealer and defensive There weren't any rules player as well as being against spitballs or doctorsmart. I played against all ing the ball it was the the great pitchers of that hitters job to hit it no ; time but the best was matter what the pitcher , Steel Arm Dickey oi did to it, We never Knoxville. We hardly ever thought of the major : beat him." Hill retired in leagues when I was , reached my prime I was had to be good and only 20 but my father died we knew we were but we i and^I wenOb work in the also knew a player had tc : bank." His father founded be white and we knew wei the Forsyth Savings and weren't." Slug Way Td WSBL walk, Mike Thompson with three runs of thei] doubled scoring Marion, own. The Indians howevei Xurt Gibson and Thomas put the game out of reach Foggie then hit consecu- with an eight run outburst tive singles and Frank in the fourth Gibson, Carlton and Dyke Cline Carlton, Foggie had drew walks bringing up singles and Petree had a tain Ted Petree who had and a single in the rally, walked to lead of the The Indians added two inning stole a base and more runs in the sixth on scored the first run of the Carlton's second homer of rally. On a two-two pitch the tourney and added the 20 year veteran three in the ninth on slammed a fast-ball into doubles by Mike Smith, right center field scoring his fourth hit of the game, Foggie and Carlton with and Carlton, and a single the tying and winning by Foggie. Gary Flynt runs. Petree called the came on in the sixth winning hit one of the bigs inning to gain credit for of his career. Gary Groice the victory. In ,jthe pitched the final two Championship game Suninnings for the victors to day the Indians struck for gain his second win of the five runs in the fourth tourney. Still riding the inning and added one in momentum of Friday the eighth and two in the nights came from behind ninth to beat the Greenswhen the Indians took on boro Knights who had the regular season and won the right to play for defending tournament the championship ^by~ champs the Pond Giants topping the Pond Giants on Saturday. Theylrad "7-3 eartieT"in "the day. lost both regular season See Indian, Page 10 meetings to the Giants but jumped on Pond Giant * -m starter Mike Hicks a m*C A former pro player and J most valuable pitcher in a a the state semi pro /VlO tournament in Roxboro for thrfce runs in the top of the q first inning on Ted ? C Petree'9 two run double. The Pond Giants tied it in the bottom of the inning # IERN 1 RVICE S I -J BERTY ST. 2 I *M 3191 1 ? lWX rL s?t. 10:00 Tffl 1 *24 HR. Seri> mr Warranty ! * Burner Sorv " 410 W. 27th St. N # \ I HRo6er' Black*On Eller i__ If ever there was an intend rivalry between two . schools there is one between the Winston Salem State Rams and the North Carolina A&T Aggies. When the two teams meet on the basketball court whether it be in Greensboro or Winston Salem there is sure to be a large crowd on hand. For many Ram fans it is (a case of the haves, (A&T) against the have nots (WSSU). For Aflrflrie fans it is a chanr? tn v WSSU that they are not in the same league with the powerful Aggies. This has not been the case on the basketball court in the past few years and if Bill s Hayes and his football Rams have anything to do with it they don't plan for it to go that >vay in football when the two teams meet on" SupiemBeTTS, at ? rivals have not met on the field since 1969 and the Aggies have never lost^to the Rams. As the information office of A&T puts it, 4 'to say the Aggies have dominated the series would be a gross understatement. A&T holds a spotless 18-0 mark over the Rams and most of the Aggie wins have been ^ very convincing with scores like 60-18 (1963/50*12 (1964), and 60-0 (1968). The closest Winston Salem has come to a victory was in 1968 when the Aggies slipped by with a 14-12 win. __ Overall A&T has scored 645 points to Winston-Salem's 150." If the past is an indication of the future when the Aggies should win by the "lopsided score of 36-8. After reading the press release 'from the A&T information office Hayes smiles and saysI'm kind of glad the release came out. It should give our kids a little added incentive if they need it." A - ^ What many people don't seem to realize is that the Winston Salem football program under Hayes is far different than it has been in the past. Last season the Rams were picked for tenth place in the conference & in pre season polls and finished fourth. This season, Hayes points out with a smile, 4 4We are picked to finish sixth if we can beat the pre season rating by six places again this year we will be in pretty tall cotton." The Rams don't appear to be the same patsies that the Aggies have used for target practice in years past and this coupled with the fact that A&T has a new coach and a new system indicates to this writer that anyone who comes to the game with their head set on an A&T slaughter will be more than mildly surprised. 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