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na NO. 28 RALEIGH, N. C. THURSDAY, JULY 2, 1835 VOL. m Jin JWl7 Carolina Gazette, rOBLIKHKD, WICKIT, T LAWRBNCE & LKMAY. TF.lt MS UiimiK, three dollars per annnnv one Idf in advanee. Subscribers in iker Slaiet iaanot be. allowed In remain in arrear louver iha mie year, and persons i esiilrnl without Una iateTwho mayMeaire to become subset liters. kill keiirwlljiuretltoiiajJihe boJeSj. fiount 01 inejLear't suoseripiion in anvauce. rtaTtsswaiT, not exceeding fi lieen lii.es, serted lliree timer for one dollar, ami twee .Ate cents for each c'ontinusnce. STATE CONVENTION. l)EBATEt Monday, June 15. fcncltnion of iliii day't debate on the rrsolu- iii in relation tn tlie number l members tu oipove each House of ilie Legivlature Liov. BRANCH saul if he knew hitn- he would not take an advantage ny portion of the State, in the ad- . r . ? l : r !a tment of this question, even if it j re possible to obtain it; because it'tion of the number promised bv the soa i p.incv,.io say noming ii me propriety of it. He had always itwg -mu. tn pwnetpiei e was-pre-sirould w- " .,vrVM-"--cquwe 1a me setecw.. 01 4 ana ur cimtietlie objeetion mifflvt be urged itptvia! W&M m fast a diHerent from that of the b-tween these and So and 120. II.i- -r., ,.t.. '.:.. n.... e..-t4.u- tstj we are called on to surrender ivers il it not the duty ot gentlemen shnhattherfentitTftl-tO itrT,i8 assent to any numbers which did as itnnot the ituty ofthrChairmatT tb Camn.ttle-t- ttigtt the-reason ch broii'j;lit them to the conclusions eloped in the re pnrt? What right that gentleman to call lor reasons am o'her persons, b -fofe he himself given anyf 1 he proportion ol re- sentation, under Ilie olil i,onstitu- n, between the House of Commons the .Senate is hro for one. lie had ver heard this complained of. Have t gy .1 " 1 L K uonvenuo.i utc power to nm u.c loniisiititn recommenneu oy me ..om- ion. Iteef -- Ti Tt auflii'Tenl'tnat'the Act Assembly gives the pnwer? ai. vi an cvciiivg 111c ai-h u'n iMSfatory. - - toi ne Ki-ntleman Irom Uuncomoe ntends that we must maintain the portion recommended or act - in I faith. It" was certainly tiot lus sh to do so,- nr dtt he - Ihtnk - that- imputation could rest on those to vote against the numbers recom- fended. The question submiMed to -neoole was -Convention, or no imvettt'uin," and that was the only iuej he therefore did not consider ft et obligatory. It waavery far f"m his dosire to place the decision this ouestion on sectional grounds, regretted lo .see sectional views so necessary to swell examples. If num-! ,one roice tn wm'ch he .poke, he a very ' .' "r Judiciary, at our law, t our t'ni.rr lea introduced here t it was cal- be rs gave weight to the fleclsions.nr imperfectly heard Inrelerring to -the com-, '' . 'ch and.un a footing equ.ltoany Mated to Droduce evil, and tould do Id do I . . . . .. possible, manifesting a spirit ot Iiurtseyand kindoos. He knew the lentleman from Wilkes fGen. Well- '4 ws-rtftieBKW d fur the condition of the State. He ,ilr rose to say that lie shouldde- rt from the proportion recommend- but tn so doing, did not teei mat wasactinzeitherunjusllyorunfairly. fiov. SWAlN- ad that he was ry far from supposing that the gen- man from Greene was disposed to iriok from a discussion ofthisques- with him or any other gentle- n. lie attributed it is . a I 1 course to a v different motive. Tu the gMitleman from Halifax ov. Branch ) he must be permitted Mayr thitt he war perfectly hat is Chairman tif the Committee it as his duty to explain and sustain t ... . . . cund article, was made by the gen emaa from Greene. ' lhe hih o- miun which lie entertained of Jus pity to .In justice to any cause he tflvocatv-d, had admonished him, not hly (o thrust himself into the front I he contest, bbt, quietly endeavor tit fiintain the ground which the getitle--0 from Greene- had been pleased 1 isign him. 1 The Committee had Jt been favored with the views of the entleman, in support of his motion, nd he (Gov. S. ) would how proceed consider them, and the Report, in F order prescribed for him. 1 He would say, with perfect sinceri p that if he knew his own heart, no pntleman in thia Convention came PU deliberations, with less of party y sectional feelings, or more anxious ".terminate forever, the differencea Hvren the two sections of the State, r" he. He trusted, indeed he was Pnftdent, that a rorrespondent feeling Pifluenced the great body of the Con potion, and yet he waa not without "pprenensuina at to the result. The ptnoat caution. nd circumspection fere indispensable to a haonr ter mination of our labors, and if passion iDd Drrludir ara nrmittd Inr mn. 2 - - w v aw. - ...... Aent to a..n. k. :. : ti ...t - iciiat iuvaivaiaiiv nirhtreaultfrorait y hay oneDdr al4 Got. 8. lo good. VVe bad met as brethren wisnom wouia impan 11 in no less tie lid should mutually concede as much gree to the determinations of the Sen- !t Report. It woul.l be recollected discussions here should l eg.n an.l end plan f .mend ;ng the iotercour, betweeo thc d,.,.nt portio,. of -er, that immediately on it. in with the Act of Assenibly. undcri' oduction,-before any-opjortunify of j which we were called logether lhe couU no( d;,.;nctrylie.r ffr We believe it Um: b lyg. of -produce and tnlnawasaJlea !Urene to fi this morning he would pi opt.e neither leral no wise. . Hi. argu- ei Nor d d he think tht the proposed amend. I tti lm fk ion rnnA cort inn in th J m ti t will co forth ta the peoDlc. who ? a.. . ir J . .i i"u-.i. w-etiU lo Hie ConMitunon would b lhe r w sk Huu a ii jv. a v w . I . - . . . nuii nir rft iicrwii; iici r wii'auasi v.iwir under the provision of in Art ofHhe federal number for white population Assembly, which defines, ami limit our powers, ana he did nut hesitate fc say. that he differed entirety from the gentlemtn frotu Halifax with re spect ti its construction ami the con sequent obligations which it imposes upon us. r-very provision in it is ob ligatory, not simply because the Le- gslaltfe enacTcd If, bu t because the peopla had ratified ii. If a fair con struction of the Act, as it appears ofi record, justified aim reauired the nr.o- 11 u'.c i .oiiiiiit(n wnicn me 1,0111- imtteeatlTO .. .1. .1' I t I 1 . I urgethat individual members did not so intend. Other gentlemen must construe the obligations imposed by the Act and by the Otth, for them selves, but for one, he should regard a substantial departure from the re lative proportions it prescribed, as a violation of the compact., lie believed that the interest of the whole Stale would - be best subserved bv the adon- Committee. It was our solemn duty however, to Settle this controversy, ba thr writ cf the Tnijofiry, t. lss h' opinions underwent a great chatize, however, he would not yield norpreserve'thn proportion whkhv lie consiilered to liave been VettTed on by the charter under which th?y acted, He believed that the lowest liumbers prescribed would not meet the con- currence of a majority of the people. and though he would cheerfullj' sub- mit to the determination ol a niitiorny : here, the question would preaent it- self under very different circumstances ' wh rn he should be remitted to his ' ' -i . r.i c 1 anc.eni privileges as one 01 me tree cuixens or a iree state. Jie tnougni the gentleman from Halifax erred- in' Surely-guppnsing that his construction ol the sici was a reiiec'.iou upou ne wisuhim me uenerai AssemDiy, runr-intnji ol the constitutions 01 our sister Mates recognized a much greater disparity of numbers between lhe Iwo branches of the Legislature than had been as- aumed by - the Committee In- Maine the proportion of the Senate, to the popular branch, was as 25 to 136, tr ! t 7 New Hampshire, 12 to 2SQ, or 1 to nearly SOjlii Massachusetts, 50 to 561. or 1 to 14; in Rhode Island, 10 to 72, or 1 to 7 in Virginia, the proportion was it bout 1 to 4, and in the new Constitution just adopted by lennessee, 1 to 3, it was scarcely the Cummons, gravity, dignity and : the Cummons, gravity, I 1 .aT l. I ate. He agreed with the gentleman Trom Greene, that 50 was not too large a entirely from the opinion, that pnnci- pies ol economy demanded a propor tionably smaller House ofCommjns. it was said to be a bad rule which would not work both ways. If you reduce one, reduce both. XNeither curtailment is necessary. . In 1820,, j the population of this State was 639,000; in 1830, 738,000; in 1850, a proportionate increase would yield nearly a million, were iu persons too numerous a represntation of a million of inhabitants? Would the expenses incident to a legislative bone by a million of people? Gov. H. said that he was aware that will ultimately decide Uis-Heston, an I it is proper that it should be ac companied, by the views of those who dissent Irom nts opinion, ror nun aelfhe was disDOSed tl conceal noth-k intr here or elsewhere. Every view he en .tertatned, as to the relative advantages which would be derived by each ec- tion of the State, was at the service of all who desired it, in the Convention or out of it. He said he doubt-d whether the principles of compromise, which would have met the concurrence of the gen tleman, were on the whole as favora ble as those adopted by the General As sembly. Governments were instituted among men, for the protection of life, liberty and property. His notion of the tieau ideal of representative govern ment was perfect protection to per$on in one branch HO d tQ. property in the! ...i . - -. . . - ;n t. VI.. I oiner, ne great, toaicsi in v"; ginia Convention was upon this prin cinle. and those who maintained it, were denounced as aristocrats within that most aristocratic State. Indi viduals more democratic than himself, but perhaps not less ao thsn some of his constituents, demanded white popula tion as the basis of representation in both Houses. The only objection he had, to the principle which we are re- qoirad to adopt, ) ubatit0tionef , as the basis ot the House of Commons. To thoe among his friends who doubted the necessity which exists for the protection of property in one branch, he begged leave to, submit the consideration of a single fact If re gard be had to. the imaginary line, so long regarded, as -separating Eastern and Western interests, there will be fiittrtit tr, P ou in fierconstiTu ting the for mer and 28 counties the latter section. Divide the amount of taxation for 1833, the number of white souls it contains. . ... . it will be Tound that each white per son in the Eastern conuties pavs into the Treasury sunn-thing inore than 14 cents, while in tlie Western counties, the proportion is less than eleven cents. Those who contribute, should have proportionate control in the distribu don. Under tlie old Constitution, they have this and more. If they pay 14 cents, they abstract more than 16, and henre, the. justice and necessity ,of a clian-e. It is true that the vices Lf the community will influence the trfinfrpwrcWf Tn Eastern willing to accept the compromise ten- 4ired by trre-ijegilatrtrer-anri--sant,s tioned by the people, if the duties of Una. Convwtw-hW w jttstly-atid wisely performed. -H was the interest of b itli sections of the State that this should be done, and thus terminate forever a,, bootless -controversy which convulsed the Colonial Assembly of 1746, and has been the bane ot legis latinn pvr-r slnri. lie id, there was no one who deprecated rnore thin himelf. the idra of an unlimited Convention. Hut he a..rel gentlemen. 1 oat II. o any arranrement 01 iarircr cnun- t , b,;,h o( lhe gule, or, lf from ijn; camee ny Mine rrnwnig out nt lhe peculiar pnnct- ple upon which ihi ConventiH toonl. tuted, injti tee -ahall be done to any targe ponton of the commanityVihe atTuggles Tn which we are involved, will not terminate :jwo&diirfe tense of l"jitry, will impel lhe people a one man, to rend Munder the cord which bind the body puli'ic, and ttandfurih here, in un horn might and majesty. The t'ielion raa put on the motion to strike but"" from"" the reaolution' Uti'nr 'lhe number of which the Senate wa propoaed ; ithout a division. Tlie qucifion then eame" bef .re the corn- m-mee fir .triki-ig o.it the word. hun.lred nd-ffHif from the rewlution preacribing Hie number ol the llau.e or Common. ; The Pre.i.lent (Mr. MACON) rote ,,! .leli.erl 1.1. ..n-iment. nretlv much at i i ..k:... k... r-. i.:. ,ii-i .n,- r,V iK- .H ..,.- i rim l..w promite which it t unuertiowi wa mane oy member from tlie Kastern aud vctrrn part of the Slate at the eion of the Legislature whirh passed the act celling die Convention, he e i pressed hi d.vp;rob'ion of all com promise and concealmenta. He ditapprovtd ofinv nl.o of Internal In.nrovrmem in -,i.:.i.'.k. m.. ii.k an. nart. AWpreT.TO lo be the work of individual, a tbey could t coulu alrayt hive it done at a cheaper rate than gn eminent. In noticing a remark which bad fallen from aome member, derogatory lo the character of lliia Slate, h id for hi part, he had never teen a State In. whit b he had rather live than in North Carolina, nor any. wre tlae peonle were in general more happy, '''here might nut be ao many two and four-liore carriage mongt them, but there were plenty of good horses. Nor it many ipWdid house) but the people gene rally IikiI con. fort a We dwelling and good plantation The term Farmer, he aid,wt seldom heard in North Carolii.a, and be was glad of it, , it alway indicated to him a ,!tf na-jtry heprielerred.,,the,..tetm 1'hmttr '. which conveyed to hit mind more of . ' . , V ... . Mr. M. did -not approte of ine end. tyr.,,,,, l.eg,n. ... I In , cour.e oil.;, remark erved that he believed all change ol go . v..,,.. . " vemmrnt were Irom belter lo worte. i Gen. AVF.U.nOKNtaid.the q.ietlinn be ; r! "T-TZ "IZT.X"! p(,e insetting Aarfr He trutied thi motmn would not be agreed lo. the wordHv having been retsined in the propo- , ,!on Hl,,,lf lhe. .""'T,ber of mtmbrf ,or ,e fin'i-, ii ....... u w " number of one hundred and twenty, report- 1 unif a r iniinii nntv ed for the number of member in the Home duce project in other pan It was this of Common. Thee number were the high apecie of log tolling that had prevented any eat prescribed in the act of Aisembly patted lnig from being effectually done lo improve at Ilie la tetdon. which were filed upon by tie Stale. way of compromise between the Entern and Gen. S. eoncltidotl Id remrks. with ealcti Wetem member. The numbers were not atKn in jnitification of the number which thought mmciently favorable to the Writ, ht proposed for the future lluute of Com but it was all that the Kattern members were mom. willmg to accede lo. and was accepted by. Gov. SWAIN was perfectly aware th.t the Wert. Thi number of one hundred and aome of the Senate in lhe Northern States twenty for lhe Houe of Commons, he believ. j eKrc;.r( judicial as well a a legitlative ed. would suit both ih Eattern and Western powert but he could -e no reason why, on memoer pettcr iom .... ucu,iiii( acceunt ineir bodies should be let an therefore it would D agrcco to. Judge DANIEL w'nhed the committee to rite and report progress, U order that the ipontennon might oruer to o pnmea cer tain calculation which had been stated to the committee, to the effect which 130, 100 and tome other number for the Houm of Commons, would have upoo tbe several counties. This was objected to by several member ss unnecessary, and calculated tc presraet the decitlon or tbe quest ioni that every meat her would make b w ealcvtlatUn n4 vote according ly.. Judge DANIEL, after some other re mark on the subject, with Irtw bis propor tion. " Mr. DOD SON" stid, he came to the Ton vent ion, in order to unite with the member from all part of the Stale to carry into eff ect in good faith, the objects prescribed in ilie Act of last aetaion. At it had been deter mined to have SO member in the Senate, which wai Ilie utmost limit of the act. he Was ft favor of tiding Tor 1307n Ilie lloiise of Common llarij the Srnate. Jee.n fited. at o. he I'toulu liava been in tayor of yo in the H'use . of t.'nmmont: thnuh l would ha e p'rferretl.4U member in; the eentte and .ll.UP.AtUUeItoepfC(in CMirrepiiiuliii)r number btlaria tit two llottaca ere those which h'd brrn filed r- wy-heTrfe ;isiw-Wr ItiafrwrnentaTIC papain); the law under which Ilie Contention at, he hoped ilie nomher would be agreed upon without opposition.' On. SPEIGHT advocated at some leith h motion fur striking out the wimli hiinibeil unit twenty, for the prfxe ul in- aertinu ne hunjml and endeavored toaliew, frum calcitliti na which he adduced, that 100 memSf n fur the House of lintnittnin wo'tld be a more suitable nmnber than 20 and that he felt liimirlf auihoriird to pi-upose any number of member for' tint llouae withiii the limilt of lhe act It had been (aid. thai uiilcaa the Convention would agree lo li the number of 120 member lor the House of C mmon. 53 having been agreed upon for the-trtflriirarron';tte-took -tbt ocevemn-nf eating, once lor all, that no threat of thi kind -wottM prevent him fioni performing what lie betfevd to tie 10 dtnyt He-.viill takw the-eonaequenee of -h ''CiKrj -bo what they may. tien. S aid he would have agreed wVth he gentleman .from Sur.iy ..Mr. UohaoftJ-if die. Convention were now about 10 f rm a new Constitution, but it ought to be tecollrcrd that we are abmiro it a Cwiaitlui'tiiu which ha filed the habi sofihe people, and that theae feeling ought to be conaulicd in every lep that ia taken. If 120 wa filed the number of the llouie f Common, he emthl enumerate ipwnloftwenty emtntir that wou'U etch be uepriveil ir a member This not all. The) would have no repre. tentative in the Senate. Gen. 9. obierved. that ii had been remark. eI hy the gentleman from Buncombe, in the view which lie had taken of the manner in which many of the government of ilie Slate are formed, that their Senate contt of a mailer number of .member than that fited upon by thi bodv for our Senate in fu'ine Doea nor lhe genttemaa know that moat of thee Stair are nottik oiii Lf iaJaire,Vut merely exercine reiory power,nd are Ju dicial rribunals in the lail mart.. . There i iwtWebryiny'-lw with u for a targe number. Our form vf government difl'er from moat of the gnern mem north of the I'otomae. - In the Nonh. they have mll Senate and large llouae of Kenretentatitea. In the South, the number of the Senate ta much larger, and piwe all ie ,,ci,Utive powert f lhe other IIoum. Some remark had been made in relation to the present degraded condition of North Carolina, which had been very properly no. "c'? ire.'.cm o, u.e j.on. ",4l'if-,,i 6', drgrde,f lie had atwav. fell Pud. whether at home or abroad, of being called a Nor h Carolmian-here he wished 'e.and here to breathe hi lt. Look other institution in our otter Mate. He could tee no reaton, therefore, why any gen fleman, repretenting the interealt of North Carolina hou!d ihu (peak of her. lie look ed on uch representation with diigutt. The gentleman, from Wilket had apoken P . I. , ... . I ..I wmt" I"" ,rom " e wa. correct y mlorm " . " . - r man what earned theae peat emigration. It wa the tale ot the I'ublte Lnd wbtclt produced them And the gentleman and lii friend may make what Internal Improve, mem they plea in the Slate, they will have no eilVct in (topping emigration while the ltMl.alonti.ue. :--?-.r?rri: -With reipect to Internal l.-nprovement. no individual wa more denirou of encour lT,nfr jud eioti improvomentt than himself, bur he waa agaiiikt engaging iu any large and es'ravagant scheme fur thi purpose, by the government. It wa impotaible that thi Stale could via with the Stale of New York in improvement. Nature hat thr-.wn obit rle on our Sea eoast that cannot be over " " " ,itr'f iltssulort; but lo make a It til Koad from which gentlemen teem to e.pect. lie could ,e lh fc h d inein prfvenj . . , . . r i i improvement from being tuecetitully car- . ', . . . , . , . I . .,w v., iii mi oim,, . c nau vunaiaii.ir ai ,ennpie.l lo do loo much.. .3" h T."' hf U 'ot ony ,n Kj,lefB .,, vv0,ern interest in tlie LegUUture, but there wa a Roanoke. M rjape hear, and a Neue interett. so that whenever any public improvement wa pro- puiea in one cecuun ot in s tcii could not b earrlail a.lihnnt ,i.,ii;,i, t ini.n. meroua than others who had a t that power. .lie noticed the inconsistency of the argu men. of the gentleman from Greene, who had said that he was in favor of fifty, the largest number proposed for the Senate, be caute it. eame nearest to the present number of that bodyi but when the number of the llouae of Common eame e be Used, he was opposed to 130 members, (the ..largest num bir proposed) in that House, though that of course etme the nearest to lbs present num ber of that bedy. ; r-f The gentltmu alee eomptal.ed, that If tbe nuabber efthe Ueje of CosttsoM area 8 sod prp'ied ' ,,,e"te -,0 the mountain wnuld be incurring at 130, that many of the eounties would be dept id of oe member; but lie ought to hae known, that if 110 wa adopted the number, there would he a' ill mor in that iniaii'n. ami if 100 was fixed upon, die num ber would be further increased Gov. S. went in'o a variety of calculations to show the propreiy f filing the number of the House nt Commons at 120. in prefer. enc.e..tO..liy O'lier, number, ta. the nun.be of, ine entie ntd Deen already Med at 3lt. Tlt aUipt M)ymallcr.uutM.4oMlie Hmise, would deairoy the prtmort iun that had here tot ire been agreed ttpon by gentlemen in a spirit ..f con.proml.e; and w hich ought not Mer!,d 'h ptu-ptoet-ofihat twiid. of the Con. vention, he mentioned several waysln wbtchj hefgiH"dirn.rf"T.e-"TO any such purpue exiated. there would be finind a decided nfinriiy nf the Convention in lavor of carrying in'o eflVc, in good faith, the provisions nf the Act ot Atiembly. ilvn SPKIGIIT replied, by entering into a jus itieaitoM ol me course Inch he had lascu. said ne liail tiu with to disturb any compromice that had been entered into. but nia. lie tiii Mini not oe nriven irom any mea sure winch he deemed proper to take in be half of his coiMiiiuents. by any threat t to the consequences thai might ensue. A motion that lhe co nmittee rise nd re port progrrtt, being made and carried, (he Convention adjourned till Jo-morrow. , Y"mt. June 16, TlrstrSiWirvttf CommHIie nMtitVVWef w lw?-Arlwln re-- piH'ied by ilia t.eneeal Committee, in relation t lt tiomber Meiiibert in eaHt trnnii't i.il )a euoa . pan.tliu inriug mv, .tin,)viKUts aiiiute the Miiuve ul CuminoMt ' Mr. WILSON, or IViiiinuoiis, said, there was nua gr. at itillliutiy III titt eiisiiiiiilereil ill tW ettjavtinrrtt ot thi qtietiiitn tif ' tri:reeia. linn, hicli niilit at veil be. met at one Il ""i1.'1-!!. K'-'t-Jumtd. .JthdJw..aw no bun fn t wbivii a i resnh limn rielaying N $au lion of it. 'l liiiitilHciiliy ia what In i1o Willi bT snrlus uirnibert, alter kih-i liming on to a h aount). So f,ir a Ihs aini.Kiiig ol CS inemWs i giet, the task it simple eiinii)(li but the Herculean labor is to aiiurnuriaie ami luaals the rcmitie. i lie imrascoiogy ol llio Aal lit A Urni. bly uutfleirat atretecis its application In the Scuatti and tlutlt nl Cnuiimiiit. In lhe Senate, Ike event of latalion U lo be eanird lo the a'ljinning cnuntirt lo make a convenient l)Jl'iti 11, I tia. II. .u.d ..I I '....,.... I.. A. -. ! - . . I iiroirialed lo count tea or rtisti Mts, or both ..- w-- w. ...(.ni. iiiw " ii, w i tin no quealion can greater diftieullietari e, than ' nnw in uitirioiilc Iliii eseeva. arum mjeit have been oiieinaltd and diiohtlett have betn I rairiiai.friy tHSSnftae.l, OUI ,MUIwrt B Well iu this UmIv, but the trnih is, na plan can be ttsrled whivb it fre ,4 liduu!t. Tlie ,diieet ol every One " , tii iriMlure ilie Tiest system nf lenraimion- fe- rkoHH vetHina. VVe dimiM lliereiui-e examine well, and ke thl nlsn nmtl wmigemavwliWtm WW fii-imf wialt; in it niKTstiim, wnuld mi tire least InjuMice. A giajil deal had been sairl tn this lliHuil un, abnnt -the symmetry of lUc iirnnoseii Article ol amendment lie beered leave lo stale mie last. Whew the bill. liieh wa the fimnilatiiin of. this attembly... w a helm the . tyf itUl wee last tessinn, it cm front llS llnuv ol 'Com. mons to the Senate with a rant, of numbers from 90 I or. As is now customary, I he mem bers were i die habit of diacussing these mat. ten m their rooms. To Ilie sin prise nf the Eastern gentlemen, nest morning ihey found lor the Hi st time, that there was a ilelactlun In then nnk 'f ilnl so, on eoiiiliiiiw thai the number 11 should be inserted as lb mitxmum and VD .t the aii'iit mum. Tliti numlier theivfme did nnl coin Irom an original ailment bf the bill, tint .from an np;inneuf. He had yet lo learn from what oilier of Architecture gentlemen -derived their notion of symmetry, who- coo III ' perceive such beautiful pmnortiaa between 9U and 130 If mileeil it hail been inleiidel by tha litalure that the member of the C'mveution were tn lie bound lo certain number,, they would have said in express lancoaie, If the number SO be taken as the basis of I lie Senate, ll.cn I tO.thiiUi la. ken for the Minis nf Commons, lie aoulil ask, iheA, where wa the oliligsilnn Is conform to ,Uictg.Jimiigrji,jsLiA,.u,-tt .anycutsly- twted that th power nl asreeine unon anv iiariitiilae number was iliseretiiHUiry f I'her ws a ilirect variance bet ween the word, of the Act of Assem bly and the iintitma- now assumed, anil, acenrd. in-lo his a'lnvtruciiun'uf that intrument. it any other tiUiHlw-r cmilil be aa;reeil on, calculated, in the esliuiatlnn of members. In produe t fiel ter amouut of vvnefit, they wcie at tieileU hbei ly 4 dty it - r - - - - Tlie aitiqnllyoriTirs sectional liaterii.g ha J been enquired into, fur what reason be wa jt a diss la pei-eeirr. We had been told that lb setiionai I strife originsieil in I Til, and had nn- tnuerl trr nnrr. Why then was th"v'0'nFii-- linn called in lyo? Wa H not to elil th trievanoes nmdaind of in lf6 . Why then was this niicititt mailer iulrodusvd? We ha been lolil. air. inn and araln. I... .Urn .... A .... .. . " ' i nu. iiprn, in iiovernnient was retire. wmwn-m prnnerty tn me aettal ant ot person i. t4 IMM.M Ai' l'.-...- ,f ... ., . . . ... ... ...,n,i, ma. . ,,au ini, at rsnsje J i"i'T ei roiHrout rterrne ot w ntvn, iner w-re r-i me'nt prevailed billiert.i, ander our olil Const i- Smiitibl to the H-nple In their loverelgn cspscl- 1 ttrtinn If iiT, what it to be gained nnw byjlyi neither tint Jt become' him -to question the--" elmnxing the t stem' Ht had haard ot a liro- 1 1 u iiy of . their molives, lor h believed therj ii".iiii v.i im su u.viuua .. uai..jiee.uiueUL.i-WKiciiaiici tinned, plttivil.lt on tlie face of it. but lhe direct jdi-sire to promele lint uneral clf;ir. It eta efTet of winch wiudd be to strengthen the 1 S'lTiisietit lhai Ilie) l.ad materially aided lhe Watt t ti;'ug Jl'td ih"MKUuJU, energies m din. weak jiu bringing abjmi this v. om promise. W htdMe,, Il was in suhvtanoe line I aktug it lor (raiiici (Uie Rival (jmjy A.' kit owiuum(. were- ! that f 58 f ,w;tild be aifciiilellj hie Hi tlrnrte til lif 'areWu.'iil tlie tJeirrVtmmn, or f ot, at CoiH'uuiit, eau cmtiiiy will be emiiled, tifiyer thlfereui question. - Me.belteved that lhr com se, - io one menitcr, an4- - wl.cn any ommty hat an etceit il it lo be transfer red Is snV ad- j iininj cminty. whkh hs a larger surplus.' In enltl4 It, it practicable to an additional member. ror instance: the count ie of Orange and ttnek ingkam, il C.tXNI of fetleral numbers be' agreed upon at the raili, would he entitled, th first in ( members, with a surplus of 3,0n0, and ll. last tu t members, with an excess of S, 500;' Hut inpoiiit.nl practice, how would this rule woikf Why Orange, having the largest excess would take Hut surplus of It akintliam. -and thus be enlitlrd tu . members, whilst Koekinrlism would hav but t Attain, lit the E lenlim District, eomposeil af the counties nf I amden, retqiintanK, .. CurrMnck, Chowan, lis1, and I'erqiiiiaiint, a similar result, is produce! Camden has a surplus ol IMOi I'aMiuotank I SD0; Corritock 'J00( Cltewan 3i flales SUt) Per- Juinons -sj. Mere lb uet would be to five 'asqoMaiik rss memHees iliui allowing her the whole weight of all the excess af the oilier annntiet -so that tn individual in Pasquotank will have nearly twice I be weight in tbe Legit later that Gates or Chowan have h Would tay nothing of the Small emmty of I'et qnimoot which he represented. If It understood the nature of thi onlrevry between the East and Wet orretly, lb constant burthen of their song had been, that popuMion wa nnt equally represented thl Pasquotank hail twice at moan weight it Burke, It. Now w this a grievwnce or wa H not? if it wa r grwvane then, h it not on nnw f hat bat traaspirci! tin January last, to diminish h cjcetioMbl hwlarws, or alter lb prioaipl s velaaently mtreirbed snmst bv Wsstrra ecntlcmca' He for sst, a cilrira of North Caroliaa, 'would say, that he wa navfllmg to ilepriv any (Mr lion ot (rest men of In riebt of repreaeatation, whether they wtr in the East or th Weal, th North or th South. Ifth grest object of the West was to remedy thi grievance, what have wa gained by atitatiaf th element, il (he asm inequality U will M sist not in lis East or the t est, bwt in every portlen of lb Statf Ul net swsh tdtie the Indigwaiiea nf (hat aortaiwt the nimravenlty wblsb Is nraaailf Pavqmtsak, Wceaase possessing a little greater Stent of terniiH, to be m birlk-right aMiii ty, aait Is to be favored with a monopoly. I N nnl within th diasredo) l thi bmlr.'anla frame its amndni-,t as to prevent Villiaion awl heart borninrf It this plan waa adopted, as he remaikea brlnre, it would give atrcneth to the snong, power to Ue aaigbiv.Snd would shear die weak. MnoU hal arm aaM in this body, an4 aaaah smuW be smI MlH eat lrgivlatnr, kaoot the ttrlecls nt the i.l system of representation. If M nu - fos4 , . tf,l yeatawlws j - and liMered lo the iltsctiition which tnnk otasw, be wiHiljl have taken up dw iilea, that North Caro ! ,1': K!T.?1 G5 V.VZ lina was the nixiretl. most ueeraded State ! .I.-,..,! . , ,,wh,,,.v-th- Hratw-M-f .JLa.- lee il State-when tuab ,Kters of Mk fl. mi renins: aMalvanil wlic) tie getsacroMI) it". a.innsi aname4 to tell vhtre eaate Irani. Ite Kail never himaell been to Ten. ' e never emoted that esouisile nleaauea knt he bad Uen lo Virginia, and af that Stale is in a more thriving coiiiInnmi than North Carolina, the evnlrneetol It are tn be diacavsr l. Itange llirnugh ny of the M'jmning States, and if Reiulemen are to be belicveaV Norlb , jr'sri'lin HHrici at much Conimsree.snd lbs ,, general lace of the country is as prosperoul tliat nf her neigtihor. In some favored seat Kin ol Virnima, igtjt)ia, tha eierls North Carelms, but take the whole fee of the Hint, and - the superiority it our. It North Carolina Ltd ilerlmeil however, it was perleetlr vbvioat that a iliil nut siirinf lura any detect in oar system of toTeinnirnl, Inn icttilird., Irom our local. (it.. w-vetil- awf tiittqiiit--nn- targe Hy re g ve inne in ine stale. Muh ha keen saM here a'i,1irr''t'iifeir6 mtbj4.aHt.4srrain tarne ,oniiiiercii lawn, no sirv tbe very ap proach to our emit, is' attended willr hasarii In antweMii the iii-nlli-niin frum jIVe. wbtT lknuK1ii ibl if a lt.il lt.l ere const rueted Irnar lhe sea boaid to the West, that live mountain w wihf bw-emrtmitlTiriTncti iliTtu'J ly iliaatU'HHii'i In his" calculations Dut lie l really nblije.it to the gentleman "fur showing his'ltaml. It Units not now. that the West want the ioer iu their liauils, axA becautr I Jnaoln, Ornner. k were nneaaallv rrliawarnl- ed In tha I-il4, but becatiae ibey ... sn to anusli utl H,ili lloails, (.'anal a, ia.itn gurw litem auv hh I tn the otean. Out what beneflf wuulil aceiMit th tha Weal, if they kail an nutlet Very little sir, bur nine-tenths of their Ian kw eihauticil, ami not wmtli uliivaila, eontiatten4 WHIi liumlivil, ami IhMiaaml nf r anniwllr hnuii;lit into inaikei lu the amnh-wettem Stat,. ti ine eoimilam to mn.li ol lhe Want ol a market, hebelieve.l.at llinaa who ha little, t notliate torarry to , (Um is -the princmle whisks nramits me in actmn, anil an long a the. Immeute UiHlirS. ul lawfrmr knrt m tht msrkcf . it itiiiiistihle in tkeek the rapid tide of nU gratioo whivh is iiiiiupiilatig Hi State... ..".... J t'.V.I'K). had n'sn- 1W ..aetalm .lUit MesMonh tntrifid.rwlgiiii ate. as the set requires, oi.e memlH-r to each uniity. tlieri tiitifeiae wr wftinft ItiO t -the tinm, bee of w.embert bt the' llntjr bf Common, il will be fHiii.l that tlie istin I brlwtea and -i 6 OIK), whir h will eive tn lha Kaat 4a men.her. and t,he West i nmntwriti ter this plan lliere iwTnir llieet Eaatern iiHnlte whivbx" would he H'iile'l to twe nreiuLert. via. Wake, (ii-anville ami llalilas. " I'll atvnta( nf the plan it.that. after liavmff ap.rnpi iated th mm' or ti reality' In the rat hi agreed on, lit cvw rl eteettr are la be thrown into a. common max, anil the State it to b divnled into 10 iliv- send a member, tif these ilistrluls, i will ! In the West, and I in. the Easli so dial lhe '. est will bs its fair per lion, wbilit the tCast tlll-gi-t that tn mhwh It it entitled In llirt war, too, w alintt aM get rid 01 the rivalry, inequality,! jaadousy and brtlatra. Iut which will ulliei wise ensue, . Il had heard, it said, thrtiirh he lint hot tulisci th to th doteV Irui. that lite further, a rtrraeHtie was r-. moved It-nrw the i0ile, tbe writer, he. serve their true interrsis . 'J lies diriaia, 4lierrore, will afTord members nf a touch higher grade it talent than those usually Bt. 'wn v' Mr W,oucuded by Mai tug, that hit ohiert hid bet to show that I lie saint Inequality bish" It now com plained (it, would, Stilt aontlnue tee': istwand ha stu vinni Jiis -'tiUgrittmstum. tuejter. in. vine Inr a tttleivh. th ineviiabl effect of which buhl be, tn a-isy the ima'li.T cuuntic giaV the larger nnes ' : ' ' - .;i '. Mr. itUY VN remsrk-il, iLsl it ws whh maeh rcluetance that he rose to obtrude himself anosr Ilie ai lent inn td the Commi'ta, but matter bad' ... been hiiraduecit hdo thi tliseassimt, in which his oustituen's'wer mtimstcly end deeply cerueil, and he llieicfoic fell biuuetl' bound te make S few rental KIT tif dimg to, be shbutd be. ' hriel, and, with a Might rteepiion, sboold aon tin himself u the immediate sobjealnoiiersoa aidetalHiM. - ... .'. w. , ... ., .. . " Mr. H. sid : a liH been tent Iter fiom a rtlreme Eaalern ininty, vlios represenlalive in the lxivlature bad evnerally voted wah tit West. ;AV beiber ia so dnuie lliey had truly it " preseuteil the views and (eelints of the oeotde ' ' nf I!ai4..et It w.,i.nl lnv kiM. l MHalt..! m.a. Tttemptrmt w a 4" tetf Wf th wty.' . ...II ' . . . . , wi-e-Wa4l OMMMed l -k but a maiirrty ef ? thnse who voted in the Slat .had decided hr a Convention, and they hail weqiiieveeil in th pro priety of llii, CmitlilulinnaliressUut of npiiuuw,' lie ivlied lo say a few word ittitrd to ear I coast, whieli ba.l.ltren to fi-eqnvmlv menUoned I thil diseustiiin, anil about which ill Cimvntion (rrmed tn be in the possession of so littl iolors ' mat ion I'll venerahl erntleman hem Warrew '. - Mr, Macon) hml expressed lb opinion, that its, . q, enee if Cap Matleras, 0p lmkoot, jennsrq nd Ilia general diameter of our aeaboard, h wit langerout In aiipruath one otr and that w ' had no iimt wbeneS oar rreal arriuultural nra duelion, ould b shipped immediately If) lor I jf (ounlritft, ami that we had M hope fro at tha ' source. .Mr K. said, tlie vert STewt rcineel and ' " authority, whirli rprtrinni emanating ire a , high mira eai-ricil with them llirooghout Ilie- ' Stale, cmnpclUd him to liatard a orrrettej ol ' lhe error into which that grntlcmaa had been';, ntanitettiy and uninteiitHinally led. it r tilled in rte.u'iitl. a town whieh lor lhe salubrity of ha f ' tmnsihre, the besuty of it harbor, and the . eellense of lis Intel, wa not surpassed by any . ' " ' sotnh of th Clietaieake. . Old Topsail Inlet,' which I th means of aeeett from the eeean to lhe harbor, aff.rrds an unilorm depth of water of ftim twenty I twenty Iwn and s bail feet, and , open Id merchantmen of lb largest eras a bay" d sufficient capacity and depth, where on theaw I saad dMo. heavdv lailen. mav ho aafal aacheea st and handsomely landlocked, ht prsfee eeorie y-t t from th hifluenee nt stnrms. fteperadded lo thia, remarked Mr. U of so mtit ira porta nwsr wa Ibh port deemed bv tha Gsacswt Govern meat, daring the last war, in consequence of he . -asy access, and the pet feel security which II af- loetlcit loowe privateers, nvrraantilemarnve, Bx4 1 that after that event, It attention w turned t A. ' it imirnvmn tad fumneaUiMii and that even i ,. now, a run m incawaiMiu upa wiipcn iist been eipenaen epWarflt l naif a million of dule lara, ac ram amis 0 entrance of that harbor, (Hat j , will b enabl4 id bring hundred plv. ' .'v artillery to hearepnn any bltwksding sq j. ' thai aaay be set aeawat k . That had aMv - t '