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( TIIOtfAS J. LE3IA1Y rnapmETOR asd rcntisuER. Tr.KMf. Seas air!, thee dollars per nnom-'-n.i T.rrlirTViiw iuktKntoJHk!rS!m cannot be all"" t remain In i-rs looter lhan oh Tear, k Jp-rsnas i.siilrnl without (hi Stl, who ma) desireto become sub-ci ibert, will be strictly required In pat the whole a- mount nMhe ye.'trsufiie1ptlnn An a.lvanre. AovariwT. nni eseerdin; fil'tein lines. Hm4HMitaMiA(4ilAJiDl ten- LrrT to the; Kdjinr most be post .riM, . Tii t " If t !Cf Tip' fv "BTX TF.o AVIl rRAKCE."act . . VKtfM ths avivtvn aniTioTnt th jouaa.i orctsnts or ,.. 19. ' . ' letter f the If like 8o BrORHe To L VXavorrlrt'e U. X Charge tP .Iffairtt of Pmnct at tf'athington.. We' have come into poes:on of the follow-1 itm 1-f t KmIhiv lliA anlttf wtlllh Mr. Cfia 1 avTS, ontlie, lltn eptemiier, anowea ine Ip.-w-r0'1 :n"rf! a AflTairea to read to him, but " I"l t1 hr d -clined taking cojfHiiiiinCe" of, a d 4. in : . 1 c . ,.-!...!. i ii oiiiciri, ami 01 which ur suoarciiriiiijr rr- to receive crmv"-on the aame pTO'in X'i.aattT-bt-aoia. aiithtr-TrtriTr hW1 rvt ,h jdnenwwnt 4toalf. 7fnwwek thou gh wit hont abatinjf any t hi iR from the requisi'iona of CJen. Vt,a' amfrndmehfvt It ii to be f-frrettcd that such letter, from audi a aource, w notmet hy otir Govern ment in curreipondinjf ipiriu rantlalen fr,the Journal f Vtmmrrrf Farit, June 17. ISteLihc .Chamlier Kd.in.rcalit!lke place m the any obstacle to the entire acc'imnlinhment of the treaty concluded on the- th of July, 18;1, between Trance and the United States. The project of law relative to the indemnities re ciprocally stipulated in that treaty, after hav ing auccewvely passed the two Chambers, has reeeUellhe royal sanction. I say on our part, for every thinaf now de pemls on the tJovemment of the t'nited States; it belonps to them to remove the only 'Hicle" ttiitr- titlsihviwt!i.-lv' virnnrof a clause inserted in Art. lt Jv t4e Ghanbe-r of lerHrt'e,"th French Govcriunent mmt defer makinpr the pavmrnts ap-rced upon, until that - nf JJieJUuiteiLStiiteii shall have .scWned the ttuft ein(f und eal purport of divers pas sspes inserted by the President of the Union in his mssMffe at the openint,' of the last ses sion of Congress, and at which nil France at the first aspf ct was justly offended . - --The'-Government ' liavlnffriiGaverejjlhii. thiii); in that clause at var'anee with its own sentiments, or the course which it had intend ed to pursue1, the project hf law, thus amended --W-fineTSlTroTApriloy 'WtViimncrorDepm' ties, was carried ott'the 27tli to the Chamber or Peers. . 1 herewith annex the erpaie u hich a compan'ed it. That document will show yon. in few words, in what l-ht we consid er the respective positions of the two conn, tries. 1 hIi annex the report f the commit tee, presented to the Chamber "f Peers on the 5th of June. You will thereby see how far that House concurred in the opinion of .the Chamber of Deputies. Mr. Livingston has left Paris, without wail- leaving Mr. Itarton as Charpe d Afiaires. The letter by which he accredited him to the French Goverment is of the 28th of April. Yixi will find a copy of it subjoined. In a riote dated 27thrMi'. Llviivjfstofr assigns as the caue of his departue, tiie sileuce ob sened by the French Government in relation to a previous note oi'llie 18lli, in which that Minister, agreeably to orders from .his Gov ernment, demanded the explanation, of an ex pression made use of by Mr. Srrtirierin a nnte he passed to Mr. Forsyth at the time he left. That explanation, sir, we will show ourselves very willing tofurnish,4f it should be asked for again, when we ourselves shall have re ceived those which we have a right to expect. ' Annexed are copies of the tw o note of the On the ZStli7 Wr. I.ivihgl6ti had addressed to me a third note t (treat length, m which, whilst he forbears making al'usion to the a roedmtintwdueei the Chamljer of Deputies, he fully enters into its principle and probable consequences, as you may ascertain by readine that paper. As long as the a- mendmrnt was but a simple project, the ini- liative of which did not even belong to the Government, I thought proper to abstain from entering into any controversy on this subject - with the Minister f a-f.ireign tiovernmenti Now thW that -priect -.ahecme a law by the coucurreuce ol the two Chambers and the aencSMswof tlw KMHrit mitiutK.toMMtfy H against objection which are utterly ground less. I shall first recall few facts. The project of law relative to the execu tion of the treaty signed on the 4th July-, 1 831, had been presented three times to the Cham , ber of JJB"tie, the 6th fAprd, J&i3; thelUh ;f June- of- the same yesrf ait.1 the IJth of January of the year follow inir, w hen It was rej-e'ed by a tnajorilrof a votes on the - - The news of its rejection,: was known, at Washington on the 6th of May, through a packet which sailed from Liverpool oii the Clli of April. . On the 4ih of June Mr. Scrurier informed the Secretary of Slate that the King's Govern ment had determined to present a new the pro ject ef lasf it the next session of the Cham bers, The loss of the biiniavlngifceast.jned the resignation of the Miniver who had sign ed it, and this circumstance having Caused different c'langes in the Cabinet, the Govern ment could not definitively adopt that deter mination Until the 8th of April. The brig I,e C;Mirass1cr bearer or new instructions to Mr. Scrurier, had moreover met with long and s ormy passage. At the express request of Mr, McLane, then Secretary of State, Mr. Scrurier com municated tlie next .lay, in writing, the le. claration which he had already made verba) ly. His note is dated the 5th of June, The reply of Mr. Mcljuie is ofthe2nii. In this reply, Mr. MclJine state in express terms, in the name of his Government, that the President of the United State will rely on the assurances Mr. Semrier has been instruct ed to give Inm. and will wait hereafter with confidence for the appeal that is to be made to the new Chamber. Mr. Semrier, in hit note ofthe 5t h of June, had incidentally observed that it was the in- tent'um oj ibe French KovemmVnt t present j Kam iue rejrciou law ai as early a period as Hir Constitution wwdd permit, That inten tion wa reatj oir desire was sincere) but it naturally followed, from the yery nature ihI terms of the engagement, that it referred to na particular and, fixed period i that wa left (Isaeadeiit either vpen tbe dicfcrcal eaigen. c:e of oiir internal nil nation, or upon the h. jcct which Uirth tioveriiment were eq.ially anxious to attain. . ' I In the month of August, the Chambers ' wrw Mumlklri 1. but im-relv for form, and for i 0ie purpose of complvinjf with the pro. ri.itms of the 4.2.1 article of the Charter.-. No pij.t ' . . -T "'JtZz-: s,z i -r. -- - i i . -i ur CIICKr-d. Mr. fJvrtiE'ston at Paris, and the President of the United State at Washington, having seemed to regret that the opportunity of Una accidental meeting had not been enviraceil to of law rclatf vejo the treaty of the 4 th of July, . it w va eV to maxe them iintlcrstaml that, in Intf With tliat pnrclpifancy, we would not I only have deparU d from all established usa- pea, but compmmitteil, instead ol securing, ! the patsiaffe ofthe law. t The sarcc consideration were very nattir- j ally opposed to the request made atasubse- , qent pttma. by MrL J.i vinjron, tor a special doubt, have tirped them with bi Govern moot, aince the latter showed itself entirely I jft..uin.Arl nlllaii u.1'ilitu nml l.tfiti.osM . The new Secretary of State, Mr. Forsyth, aid, in the month of October, to Mr.Serurk er, the President readily understan.N Why thia TbuxiiieM hot been 'ta1cen.ujMIbuifijf. of the aension in Augustj Jhe ewww account TorTKe TacrtTmt" the '"ireman-tna.TeT)v' Mr. T.TvSfSron oTa specTaTaeswon iirfhe TatTW I decliiwrt Mtv yowvttir -H .k'truc. added that underrtand why the j convoca urn ed uiiti! the last days of December, instead of the beginning of that month. Rut that ob servation falls before the fact, that, bya con currence of pi.Hiciihir circumstances on which it would beuseless to-d wellj this meetingof 1st of Hecember. Nothing consequently could prepare tlie French Government for the language of the message sent by the President to Congress We were aware that that message would con tain a statement of the transactions connected with the treaty ofthe 4th of July. Mr. For syth had, on the 19th of November,' given m tice of it to Mr. Semrier. But Mr. Forsyth had, at the same time, informed that Minister that the President would simply advise ('on- gre-satb-vftltlerTtit;ileatb'iforit)e Cmthibfrs: Wliat must then have been our astonish ment when the message reached this side: of the Atlantic! And could it be expected that tf ie Frencli Goycrnmeutt after h H dntute lniy or iausfv4iiff tU ow.i dignity by recalling its Minster from Washington, and t redeeming the taith of treaties by obtain ing trom the ( hiimbcrs the appropriation ne- cessary to the completion of the convention -of JJie 4J .oC July t. after having lehdCTed fa the Minister ot the United States his pass. ports, could it he expected, 1 repeat, that tlw Freoclvfermnerrt woHld-not waitbefi):eiL resumed any eommunieation- on the aubjret with the Uovemment of the Unioni and, be fore it renewed with it the intenvpted rela tions, tlmt the latter would come forward and express itself in terms calculated to dispel the unfortunate interpretations to which the mes sage had given rise f Such is, in fact and in substance, the course which the amendment introduced by the Chamber of Deputies has pointed mit to the Government! such is the course which the Government intended to have pursued, even if the law hud not made it then duty Nevertheless, it is against this course, so simple, so reasonable, that Mr. L seems to wish to protest beforehand. - Mfcr Livingston fully admits in his note of the 7th or Aprrt, the Tight of foreign Gov erninents to take proper exception to the acts and language of the Government which 4e represents. - - Should the President," he observes, 'Mo an official executive act affecting a foreign Power, or use exceptionable language in ad dressing it, through hi Minister, or through theirai should a law be passed injurious to the dignity of another nation, in all these, and other similar cases, a demand for explanation would be respectfully received, and answer ed in the manner that justice, and a regard to the .dignity ot the complaining nation, would require. ----- -- - Hul he maintain that these principles, the wisdom ol which Utvi.lent, are not tpulieable loan aet ty whirh the Prpsident, sole ryw"eB. isuve oi in-? niitHin wwaijtis inreiKii pnwrn, (jivts to Congress an account of the liiuslioo ol lonien relatialis. "The yimost freeilom savs Mr. I.itinttnn. "the uimnst frerilnm from all restainl in Hie ilc- ti.ils Inio which he is i bligul to, enier, of in ternational t.ineerns, and ol the measures mi relation to ihem, is essential to the rowr per fnrmsnee at imiHirtmit part of tin liinrlioin. I le n.usl eeriie Ihem w m(huI bnviig eflulinu. slly liernre him Hie tear ot nnvniliKs; the us eei(itii';ty of ihe powers w hose tointuq he is obliged lo mil lee.'" . '.. ..." "Were any lore n powers," eenlinues Mr Livingston. ''f rnnnrrt lo scan the ennimm ie. lions of the Kxeeulite, thrir enmilaints, wheih er rent or afterled, wnultl in vol? u the enmilry in eenihiiial cuntrnversies; lor the right being, ad mitted, it would bo a duty to exercise it, I. .temnnrting a dinsvowsl ot every phrase thei iihkU ihscin.- offensive, and . an t-kpUnalkSb ot rviy word to which sa.im(rner inlririUtion cnuhl be gjvvn. The iiiwxiple, lltefrfoi-e, lis Ueo lof)4el, ihst no foreign power has a l-ijtbl In aik for esplsnalions ol any thing that the PresWent,iii the exeretsw of hi fonettont, diii.ks nroner to eenimnnicsle to Conrrena, or of anv snurse he insr sdvise them to mrsue. W'e caunnl, sir, admit such a prin'l'dej we cannot admit is a at lestt without enmlitimi or limit, in an auiolule, general .and peremptory sense. It does not depend upon nation, from the mere fact of iisjiavinc; ailojilril inrhjir suvh a toim of government", lo acquire, with rr;srl to foreign powers, more ri;hu than it would have had, or to arrogate 10 ilsrlf other rights iliait those whi.S it won hi hive enjojed, under any other form of eovernment.. . Nations are free to chnose, without any nn traint, the government they please prrciselr tor ibis rcwon, soil uniter (Ins cnnilit ion, I hul such a choice concerns Ihem exclusively, and that whatever that choice may be, it cannot altec i he ri(hta or ntjnre tha legitimate interest of other nations. . Now, it is the acknowledged right ol every Gnvrrnn.ent, when the legal representative, or when the official organ of another Government expresses himself publicly m reference t" M, languaK which is deemed offensive, to demand I an esplanaiinn of it. Such a right ihe Imn of tlie United State can neither abolish, tjost. Mo t.nverno ent, no people, would for modify, nor restrict. Il is an Inlemaiional right jne moment beareilher the din-et or iuilirect (on droit internal inna.) Il suits the I'coplc of iinpuis'ii n of a want of ged failh, or the ide ihe United States to divide the power of the .ol another government, or mother people, en Union between a Preaidenl-aiid a fengress. levi ring to obtain Iron, it itin.iixh menace what Re it SO. It s.iks them tn obliee Ihe Fretidrat would 01.lv be r ranted bv k lo in slice. . It must to give pubM to Congress an account of the . . mi r.u K: ..i. : -i i.. :. .:.. I ouystlonahie, tid. ihai. ihe urhvii mv t'liii iai urns, i n. representative of ihe Uontn . towards foreign ern, bnt-even bv foreign, rs, by interested pro nations, thereby acquires ihe right In press pie, bs persons the least disiiusrH lo take a pail bnnselt puhlicli, upon foreign) Government in language odensive lo those l.nvernmrnlt, Ihst he should, in asserting the libeelv, ihe freedom mil for, sneh commonlealinns. uisiieiisa wiih all rviauvs iu Lis ' Uiigutge, -nd- wrthalt retpnntibility towanls the power whom that laiiKUSgr coi.eerns, is a hat we cannot admit. Irreiponibility, fl'inviolabilite) whether It relates to persons. In acts, or to wnr.ls irre spotitiliilitv when it is legally established,, is a purely national institution, a pnrely internal reeulslinri, and can never lie used as an aigu- mi nt in the irilereoilrse which Governments if wc were disposed, afl the example of Mr, Uvingstiio, lo carry the argument to its extreme consequences; it might be maintained that the President of tha United Stales has llie rieht. itEAvhled k he in a messare la Conpivas. lo im . ' .lieprJ, .... - - . " . n nal.ois the nitr niTionsacli. lie most leevt-rM tilnlinn? 'ft finltl- llivm- n - AuAieH t " . . . ... ..... i to lb aniiuaiUcri of 4be-Hth' Wot-llwtki-iolo- it ! we pwiv4h-sir al Governments or these nations having the right ! lo manifest the slightest retentmeul, since, seenrtling -to this Very strange tinctrine, lltejr woiild-not even be alios eil to tuke olGcial notice of it. To stste such a doctrine is to refute it. However,-sir, we do n t with to exsggerste any ...thing 'Mr. Livingston if perfectly, right when he laji thai the cause hkh he supports iv, in a general sense common to all tree coun tries; -ihm l t;nvemments . Inunde.l on the lividnn ol power, and on the publicity of dc bales, ha e an interest in repelling, on the part nt fon-i(;njpowerst any in'ei'terence withjhe eommmiieat ions which tlie Prince ifd his mrnis tfi in cinliliiiioiiHl monsrthiet, and in Kepuh- lic the magnttralea entrustc l with tlie executive jxvwe, a-e- cidled 'PpiHr.ro Tnske to the "teglxs I ittire. And thii is the reason, as Mr. I.ivine- and in Knclund, the lansunjre j f the rnyal speeeliesit so reserved in very- thine that eon- Wetg'1i''iiB itssr l..!iwr!saw.; tve, as vou will obsei ve, sir, to the Cabinet ot Washington, that hss directed the eoniluel of France :in relaimn to the menace Prasideot Jackson. If the espressinns eonlained in thai meskige had been inverted in a proclamation, or Snyn tier act nt Hie execiiiive power ot the ie n- e t7inVTnr--w-wmTtd atoneciiave-TtHlTeif ltil' n e.fpJstiai h'n.Hj.Oiitnf reajjeelJTor the.yer. !alnre oitiieact, the rretM-?i tioTcrnment' tleem'jil' if a" duty to manifest the sentiments it Ieit on that oeeriiinn, by instantly recalling its Minister, anil s'ating in a eommunUation the motives lor that re-nlli but it 7d ll ink furexnJanatinnti it enn'eiiled to expect tbm from the justice of the liovtiTtment ol Ihe I'nlied Mates, and Irom the ancient friendship of the American nn'inn. n i doubling that the Gnvcrnmeui ot Ihe Unit ed Hlatrs woul't appreciate Ihe difference in such cases, between snswerit'g an interpellnlinn, and prevei ting hy a ' spotitanemii determination, by esplaimtion res.'ily vffiied, n misundei staiidiiig slwajs to be regretted. The amendment of Aha. hmhrr of Drpnlici is conceived in the same spirit of reserve and etitljiiinn,.4-4flca-not. maku it,. the ..ilwty.stf. the French tJ'ivei'iinient lo ak foe explanationsr it merely supposes they will receive ihem. We were not mistaken, sir, in believing that the Government i f Ihe United States would appreciate lht difference, since Mr. Livincslon, at be himself hei vv, hastened, ...early s The 99th- of '.annary last, when the message of rresi.irnt .intkion had hren onl) known a tew da)s, to ..rtr' tis rxplanatlnni at ei.eat leneih ol every psage i f that wessage whichAi eated of the relaliiins between the Called States and France) and since, 1 lint step ami Ihe explana tions contained, in his nnle of the SQih of January bsve received, ai he inliu ms ns hy his note ol the 2Jih of April, the tntire spprohation uf the Presiilent. Mr. Livingston was not attonithed that those explanaiions, as long as they were presented only upon his pet somd retpontihility, diil not prmhice upon iis Ihe 1 Sect ha intended but he supimses-.Jlutthuns' nn.w.tlo.tlied. with' tVe approbation of the I'rrsidenl, they must salitly all that- the nicest scmu cf national honor eutilil desire, lie iherelore makes it a point, in his note of Ihe 2th, to repeal and to develop them, in the nope mat tne rrcmH linvrrnuitnt, by exaniin ine them anew, under the imnression Ihit Ihev had become lhe expression ot Abe se.ni imrnls ol the I'resident, would deem ihem sufficient. He 11 so much the more anxious In imparl In nihil Own conviction on this subject, as he deems it impossible lor the Government of the United Stales to go any turibei, lie even seemt to be apprehensite that future events, which he need not specify, designating thereby, no dmiht, the adoption ot the amendment of ihe Chainbei of Deputies by the other two branches if the t.nvernment, may bei caller rentier Improper sny allusion to explanations presented under ihe Influence ol different cirenmstances. Wa sincerely wish, sir, not lo adtl to Ihe difficulties of the situation hi t hivli ihe I wo countries are rrvperlii. ly plseed. The ques tion of dale, to which 1 Mr. Livingston aerms, in this esse, to attach an inipuilkin e which it be longs not to us lo appreciate, does not in any way alter either the nstme i.r the extent of ihe duties wbkli are presciibcll'to (is 11 s tislaetinn had really been given to the jti'A stiieeplibiliiv of the French nation as eaifv as the 29th of .latuary, (the date of Mr. Livn gMnn's first note,) and iherefi re previous to the adoptioo ol the amendment under eousideralioii hy tlie Cbaidier of Deputies, or as early as the 27111 o' April, ((he dale of Mr. Livingston's si com) note, )iht i to say: tn-fore the a!nnlion of this ame aniendm. nt l y the oilw r AwO branches ol lie lxgiMaturr, we would b tine, rely gralihed. the n.ore -ll.- l.oveiMiiirnl ot die L 111 ted Males wotitil hftveshnan n willingness to ex- plain llteir, Ihe more we should bo ourselves . disnose.l lo bud the explanatmn satisfactory, sndlo view the solicitode of that GovermneatJ a a Liiimiui. ... I.,... ..I .I.a ' 7 . ' .......n..... hil iliclfedih ine-sagei.flhe Pietidi t. l dl S1n11.lv observe, befure M oceed. First, That evco supi oimg tho expla aiions ! Tn ny wie.itMe ottne wiun-iamiui yx bale , bien such as we mlrbt hav wuhud Ihem, Abe) weie nii ihe ISdi iMim!,,!Iv hrM- l'-. l.ige Of Ihe amenilmeiil in llie t hamher of Ui p. 1 utiet, 11..1I1 ns moie ihan the- timiile etprestion I l the personal s-luownls n4 :; ,lr. lsingrt I his is an observaUou,hitb did nut escape his ""i8 mi', . ; '7.:-"7,7- will alto observe that, lit ihe n'jldiealinn I nt Mr. Li. ii.gKon's ot-reijp.n(leuc, tUe .v-l ert.iornt ol ihe Uuited States bad excited sgaii.il j him such a feeling of irritation, that it would we hsd considered ibnt eoi respondrnce as eon laihirig iiinlihig bu' wai riht an. iMOper, tii" a vail tuirs) Ives of a iIi-ciiiih t.i bearine his signa ture, to repel, in one or thu other id the Cham bers, tlie amendment under consideration. I will now proceed to Ihe esaniinalion if the explsnslions whi. h have been ofieicd tn us, Mr. Livingston is right in thi kig thst' our ebjeetiont tit the messaire of lha t'l esideiil are onfined lo these two points: Itt. The mestare imiieaehea the rood failh of His ljeil)s l.orernment. ' Sd. It ciintalu a threat to secure the execo t'en of ihe treaty by the (ear id reprisals. . It is, Indeed, under Ibis dooblu point of view that lha message of President Jseksnn esclted in Fraac ihe greatest indirntiion. The t'abi. net ol aldington w ill readilv admit that , if tht Coustilii-jflfrj'oeeij wer true, ihe indigiialioa would be eonally be admitted that, when lha impress km ... 1 1. ...... ... . .1 . ... l. I .1 .... -ihh, amiua wurv inn i.cuineiii vna In the contest, the very universality of that imprrntmn is a cnmrienl evidence sgaiast Ihe rereral tenor of the doewmrnl. V we tuamine in drli,U Ik messsn ot Ihe f ,ei.'el -id Abe- AUiwud- tiuiuur ..Acau liuu pari of U which relates to the relations between the United ante and France.) it will possibly be found that, oassingsuoaessivelr trom phrase to phrase, o.. w.u la met with tii -not besr an interpretation more or less plausible, none of which, strictly sorakinK. it cannot be said that h isa siinple es.Kise ol turhnr socti an act tro. i itself, or the assertion ot wch or 4r'.... r...j, .. ...A V.i.i;..ii.ii. miu,ii IU ........ ...... ... ..- .... ,...B.. onthe Preslthmt bf the very nature of his lime-1 lions. There win certainly h f..un.i several in! ttll... wlucn thelites ot untie acnuig .ne gwni lann the French Government, or nt acting iipo it .. i .... UMsavoweq. w, . . .i - rr.... t. ... f--wncs fnw m sw vw-som w seems 10 have hcen taken .to present inere. in an unfavorable light, withnot making allowance for cirenmstances whreh explained mem, wiuinui paying any regard to considerations' whivh the Government of die United Slates ii scll had pre viously admitted! when we see at the end of this uninterrupted series of aller'ioni which have the appearance of wrongs for the s-de reason that they are made to ieit on inflated and in complete statements, the unexpected proposi tion, the extreme proposition, lo say the least, to seize upon French property, it Is impossible at first view, it is even difficult after reflection, to escapothe thought that all ilits'part ofthe message nd been written for th double pur nosfi staled above. It is not so," howeverj at teasfjfjf batjEtlll-aata iiih id nautili rinii.y wonhl he neccssai-y Ifothing bnt what is very "sT-pte-JLYe, 'lo not here eoiiten.1 about this or that phrase, niTTorrh-st alhga'inn. thuociluLexv. presi4n we ciimsn i ag.vinv"!, !.-.ii, Wfehltws'SSWl that part of the message If It he H ue that the President of the United Slates, in presenting to Congress a statement of the facts connected wi'h the treaty of the 4th of Jo Iv. had nn intention to east any doubt on the good f .i'h of the French Government 4 if ii be true that the President of the United States, h pro- poiihg toCongress tedicree tliiseliurn bTKrre of arms of French propertv. ha.l taot the Intention o asVuioe wWi'rega tiitvle, we cannot tee how he could nnu any difficulty In dechiring it. ' It such a declaration really contained In Mr. t.ivingilon'a nrte, aildrested to the French Gov ernment on the Stfill .ol January, or in that which the same .Minister left at his departure on the 8"th ot April? - We would be eijnally at a losUo affirm or to deny it and for this reason, it is evident that nei ther the on norlhe other can be considered suf-fi.-1?nt. Ttia note ot the 1 99ih Jannaryii Inrendi oliq diieiist, contradictorily with the French Government, the correctness of facts asserted in the message of President Jackson. It it in tended lo prove that theiew tak en- by -him- of ibeselaeU is, ntlext. idsn'JWfe d this lon liinii.inn Aha! Awoor thi'ce-phrar. sesa.rc incidentally thrown out, 011 the jtisf eon fi lenee which the Government ol the United States has always entertained in the sincerity ol the French Government confidence which Mr. Livingston had always made it a-duty-to . Aosteev a-d which, Heeonlinir to him; is not lit eontra- dietinn with any ofthe idea's ' or al legal ions ex- pressed in the message; -' The not of miT KJW of Aprtris cliirflv Tiit'ehdeil lo hike an indirect and anticipaleil exnininatinn ol ilic amendment introdureit by llie Chamber of Deputies While npin this examiaalion, and with a view to prove t Ii it any demand for explanations would in fu ture) he nselets in fact and inadmissible in prin ciple, Mr. ljvingtton refers to the testimony. given hy him in his first note to me coon latin of the French Government j he ref.rs to subse quent sanction given by the Pi endent to the eniitents of that note; he dwells on the para rranh ol the metuee ot the Preti lent, in w hich all idea of threat it, lie says; ejresjy iiias e(lj.;.;.;.",.;..; Von will easily eoneeive, xlr, ai. l ihe Calii net ol Washington will, we think, understand it also, that such phrases incidentally iuserted iu documents the purport and tenor of wlii--.li are polemical, and surrounded. In some measure, thy- details of a controversy which is beshle noi always tree Irom bitterness, eannnl dispel villi, eientlv the impression produced by the pern. s.l of the message, nor strike the mind ai would the tame idea expressed in terms sim- p'e, positive, direct, and iinaeeompanied by a ny reeriminst ions concerning facts or inchk'id no longer of any importance. Such is the mo tive which, among many others, list plated the French Government in the impossibility of ac ceding to Ihe wish exprsed by Mr. Liington towards the conclusion of bit note of the 2Slh of April, hy declaring (to the Chamber of Peer probably ) ihnt previous explanation! given by the Minister of the United States, and subsequent ly approved bv the Presideut had satiified it. The hnprcttion produced by the perusal of tn messaae was deep. If was so lit France, m Kurope, and even hi I ha United Stalest Ihe de bate iu Congress and ptiblie notoriety sufficient ly prove the fact. Under Ihe weight oflhis Im pression, the French Government did not hes itate to place hiell'iii a situation to meet the e- gigemenls contracted in Ilia nam of Frni eu, III J pansmtritiere Tnr the pre, nt, and waiting tor the fulfilment of ihnse engagements to be claim ed, or expecting them 10 ha claimed. In terms e insistent with ilia regard which is ill due, it is not afrai I of being accused, nor France, whieb- il renresents, ol being aeeuted, 1 appreciating n Uional hmor hy any number of millions wlira i awitl.kfvlrf " TTSr.... ...... ...linn itrn,.li .itl.k.i!. tmr.,,.,. r.-.. inre nir. i,! in-Ti. fe.. I.ivnio-.in.. i. ih. A,..i ,. r,pc tnoh an hie. Far froi il, ill French (;,Crnme.it will coniider as a fnlnnate day iheoiw in which it will be able to deliver up . ... .. ....... ........ nonoinniy ine iruii mat lies m Its htfrnls, hoi teach Slite hat duties to ve.foini towards liself,' ' ,,,., .:,,.,,; 1... i, :.., vi 1 t)on ,d,jects 10 (he iilra of seeing the Pitsideiit pf the IJnited States give a lie ten imony to the f,, rth ofthe Freneli tiovernrtieiit, test t h a step, rensonalde and' just In irtelf, thonld not ap. near la be enduilvelv ilUi.tod h. !.,.;,. ,-,t h return. will am K ..inn:.kJ.t ;r.i, ..1. pnrtanee to show thai in acknowledging opeuiy '',' sl teehrwig-'itseirrciHlvio .lii.,i 11 : 1. .. . 1...: 1. - 1,-1 .... . and jrrstice, Von are authorised, tie. In resd tha p.es-nt despatch to.Mr. Forsjlh, and, if he desires, let . Accept, sir, Si. V- UROGLIF.. SFKJLICH OP Mil. CAHIOUiV, lit Senate, January 18, on the motion to refer the Mesage ofthe President of ihe United States, concerning the relation of the United State wilh France, to the Com mittee on ForrijriT Relation. Mr. CALHOUN rose as Mr. Uucm annam took his seat. I rise 'said Mr. Calhoun ' with feelings entirely different from those of i ine oenaior irom f ennsyivania. lie said he never listened" any message with greater satisfaction than the pre sent. That which has excited such aoreeable sensations in his breast. I ! I 1. 1 ; . 1. . I. . . . r , t nave lltaru Willi Alio llli'Ul proiounu reiwr i"ivc f ihct wcru iciicsivu ugan. . ... '. .1" i m t: . . . f I as. "i.t a' ... t gret. Never did I listen to a docu ment with more melancholy fesdings, .. -I. - Li I - . . . ' ! tifeR "!!" war-mes tnEie exception--tne war-mes- sajre irom the same ciuarfer. a tew years aince, aWnst one of the, sover eign members hf this Confederacy.. I arrived hera Aaid MrC.V at the beginning of the session with a strong conviction thai there w,Mi!d be no war,J I saw, in.teeil, manr unfavorable and hostile indii atiom, but I tlHUo)t the v . vtf . . , csbbc of thtt.rence bet ween the two na- i tlOfli W tob trivial t( ttTlllinate 80 ,i;ll,ai.niiJ. I ..ml. I n.. h.diuva tUtt , , .. , two great nl- enliolitenetl nationa, T .. - ""fnli. i. iinpnia. ami UL-iwecn vuom so nmnv 1. ' . . , . , ,, v. . . . , endearing rectllection existed to bind , iiieiner in mutual syinpatiiy ami kiiki ties, would, at this advanced stage tf 1 - I .... - ... v . . -.j-, u .....0, r " i ivul : cause fritrttiWthliiiijnf heard, I still bcHevcd peace would be preserved but the message and the speech ol the senator from rennsjrl vania have dispelled the delusion. I will not undertake tn prnounce with certainty that war is intended, but I will say that, if the recommendations of the President be adopted, it will be almost inevHafiftr'" " r; -I frar (said MjvC. 1 that the condi tion 4nhtchfTii country U now plac ed has been the result of a dcKberate aiuTTiWemTtlc noHcy. FaniTJoiriitftar speak my sentimenta freelyi it is due to my consttlucntt and the country ta qu.'siiuu ui which in.-ir iiiwirsi 19 an. deeply involved. 1 will not assert that (he Kseculive has deliberately aimed at war from t1iecoirflencement hot I will Sav th.iL from tire brinnin jmrf,tmr1.. of the coiiti'uveij:.to the preseTttTHft- mcilt, the Ciuirso Which the President r.iieu iii term 111a it 111 a ciiiiuici ue tween the two nations. It has betn in his power, -at every jHtriour-togjtve the controversy a direction by which the peace of the cotm try iniglrt be? preserve ed without the least sacrifice of rrpu tat ton or honor, but he has preferred the opposite-. I' feel (s.iid Mr." C, how painlul it is to make these declara tions how unpleasant it is tcuorcupy a position which, might, by any possibili tyE 4m :cuBstuAlrt country s cause oofrm my concep tion, tlie honor and the interests off he country can only be maintained by BU.rsuji.iiiS.rthe coqnw1iat;traiittj justice may - .dictate Actme under Uui tmpf csston, I ! not hesitattr to it- flertrM-ter a caretuf exammnttorrwthe documents connected with this unhap py controversy, that, if war must come, we are the authors we are the respon sible party. Standing, as I fear we do, on the eve of a conflict, it would to me have been a source ot pride and pleasure to make an opposite ileclara tion but that sacred regard to truth and justice . M'hich l lrUit.jilLsv!;r be my guide under the most Uilliculttirr cumstance8, woultl not permit. ". r I cannot (said Mr. C.) but callback to tnr recollection the position which 1 occupied twenty-four years since, as a memDer ot me other House. t e were then, as lI feaLweare now,on the eve of a war with a great and powerful nation. My voice then was raised for war,- because 1 then believed that justice, honor, and necessity demand eu it. 11 is now raiRtui ior pence, ue- -.1 ! t " . IV .. J l- cause 1 am under the most solemn conviction that, by going to war, we would sacrifice justice, honor, and in terest. Tho same motive which- then impelled to war, now impels to peace. I have notsaid Mr. C. made thia assertion lighHrjLs.thiMratttC mature and deliberate reflection. It is not my intention t enter, into a minute examination of that unhannv train of event which has brought the country ui ns present . sit ti a won, uui I ...:ii t....a "i - e . ... .. . win onciiy uiucii on a lew prominent point,- beginning with that most tin- liirtunate negotiation which eem des . :rpmjhiac?eswnif. the present KiivKrhi Ministry Avowed itself favor able to the settlement of ittur chiiins. It could scarcely be otherwise.. The Ring had just been raised to the throne, under a revolution oi-i'inat.'nHn trvn- ular tmpatUes; - w,hcW"eul,li not - buti dispose hurt lavoiabry tcwardit tJs." Lafayette, at the time.'possessed much power and influence, and had greatly contributed to elevate Louis Philippe to Ills present station. - His feelings were known to be decidedly favorable tou. Rut, with all this favorable in clination, tlie Ministry were fearlut of concluding a treaty. - They dreaded the Chambers; they knew how odious all treaties of indemnity were til th entire French nation, and how difficult it would be to bi tng the Chambers to agree to make an appropriation to car ry a treaty of indemnity into effect, even with yar country. With these impressions; they frankly stated - to Mr. Rive, our Minister, that the dif ficulty was not wilh them, but with the Chambers: that if a treaty were made, iv tiu uov oe carrieu in hi cnect whii v www v a s v -r bata t , la . V- It v V , w I til" out a vote of appropriation from the Chambers and it wa very doubtful whether such a vote could be obtained; These declarations were not made once, a. !!... . 'tl. ...... :. ...XHf. ...In nuu buiii, iiiroNgnnus, evci j aiajjo ui the neejotiation, and never more em phatically than in the very last,-just befiwthe conclusion- of the treaty.- The President of the Council. M. Perrier. in a conversation with Mr. Rives, at that late period, slated that there would be no difficulty in amtng- iiiJJh..uestion,;.were it not. that JblCm be wiiii'cd1Udalr(iiip.. i st f cared opposition on tlie part of the Chamber, which might place the re lation between the two countries in a more dangeroua elate, by refusing t make the appropnatinn. How pro' phetic! a if he hid foreseen what ha ' i . ft I . . ...a.,, t ,, , A....' I... T.t'I ... 1 iwinTrTiiireTiiiTiu jjui aumcoaie . . . .... i ' . - ' ' the discussion, and have not come pre pared with documents; but what I state is substantially what he said. s With Hi ii apprehension, he aaked our Minis- wrivTT.uiire simi i uci ivu wi inu itttiftthsTfor thrttteefihg ofihe bcrs, that they might be consulted be fore the conclusion of the treaty, in order toavoid the possibility ofthe em barrassment which has since occurred, and which has so dangerously embroil ed the relations of the two countries. Mr. itives objected, anu the treaty was concluded." F.straet of apart of the eorreanondenee be. tween Mr. Itives sad the French Mini ter durwg - no negotiation, taken Irons lb. Ueport ol llie Cnmoime on Foreign Uslaliun during th last tesiion, ' it appears irom a ilesnstcli ol air. Hln s lo the Secretary of Slate, under Ihe date the I lib ol September. 4S30. at hi first interview wilh the Frenb Secretary jrf Foreign Aflairs alter the-. tfailir'BU'sVJiT a r ranee on ine llirone,. that tins t rench Minister sanl.ftbat be Alioueht that the principle of in demiiiiyw.iuld be admitted, but that the amount of Ihe claim was a very camples question, de- peuding on a treat variety ol ooniiilerations, anil rrqiiH iiig minute and detailed rsaminalffloi 'that he believed Our cluiana urnuhl .atnnimt-. aiitu.lt less oiui.Hiliim with the tioverninent. f lueanlnir Ihe Kine ami tits -Ministers. than with the UhamWvt IhaA -Ave-Aiad vhitnRht Of an brgsniss.'' lion oi a cummission to esamin the Mibjest, aonaiatine ol memliera n( lmit. I 'li.ml..M .t II.. best means of preparing thute bmliet for an ul timate dceisioni and he should submit the propo sllion it an earlv dav tn ihe t!nuneU. laa.i.K. St qnent despatch of Mr. Ki , of ihe ttih No- venioer, isao, ne aay, ibe disposition of lha . Knig, as well with reg.nl to Ibis nliject the American claim s to the general relaiinn be tween the two countries, are every thing w vooin tic.ue, ine iiimcuny exists in me ea-. treme reluctance of th nation to pay an) more imr?iin, and ihe iM-eetsliy whirl. 1h - Uov ernment'leelt itself under ol consulting the rep resenlHiivet of the nation, and of sreiiritiK their approbation la any juYangemcnt. which may be niinmeiv concnnieo. ne eommisstoo, nt in - rnrnillinil i f lllli h I li.lJnuil. .nuii.il aaa has grown entirely out of Ibis feeling. un me necasioa ot an audience with the King,' Mr. Itives, in his despatch of the 18th Januarv. - lS.l, ays, thai the King, : ln; reply to hi r. maras, "reiieraieu Ihe sentiments Ii bad Uare tolora expreaaeil AO me, and reteei-ed to lha .. measures h bad taken, with a view Is briflr the. iliTferenrei between the wn uunuietto a eon. elusion.' The King prneeeiLed tn y," that since llie reading ol the Presideut mets, he had 'remonstrated' arsinst alt flnneeetsary de- lavs In the prosecution ot the butineia, and s- sureil me that every thing should be done, on hi part, to bring it to the earliest terrainatinn, notwillistanding the ditatlruus Male of their finance t." yr.;'s . The immistinn appointed to examine our claim mad their reoH. f Th majot hy of lour ' rrjeeling our claim growing out of the Itrrlin am) Milan ilreiees, as well a the Kamhoiiillct ami oiner special ueeree, esiimweil Ihe sum lo which they suppotul the United State to be " fairly emit ledt according In Mr. Uives, at be. tween ten and ftiteen million of franc, and th majority of two, admitting the claims ejected bv I hi ir colleagues, at thirty million. . In an hi. ' lerview between ihe French Minister of fn.. eign Affairs and Mr. Hives, described In hi tie. spa!ch ofthe SSih ot April, ld.1l, ihe Minister piike ofthe mtrinslir difficulty of all money . question in -, represent. i grivemment, in creased in the present inttanee by th almost enan:mous report of the eummiision " In an other interview with the Pit linenl of the Coon, cil of Ministers, described in the same despatch) ol Mr. Itives, Mr Perrier said) ''lie felt all tho importance id cultivating good relations with ihe Uuited Stairs, and that he was sincerely do sirout of ailjiiti ine this ancient c inlrovertri but. . that their nuances, a I saw, were eeeilini;l deranged, and that there would be great ditli'. eulty in reconciling the Chamber of llenuiiei ta an additiimal clisrgn on the enlrehled resources ofthe Slate, fur claims loo, which had not arisen from any wrnnit dune bv llie iireielit Govern. mem vi r ranee,-- in ine same Oespateli illr. ' Hires reports: " I he Kine (tnressed. as ha ha always done, ve-y' eonlal sentiinent tor Vie ' United Stalest said he bad frequently called th attention of his Ministers to theneeessity of set- .i:. . it.. ..... : .t... .i ,. . . ieeted the embarrassed Mala nf the flnancesi but he hoped they would yet Hud llie meant of de- kit lustieei" In a despsleh of Mr Ttives: of iheTih of Ma. 1831. eoininunieatine the offer of iwrniv t.ii. Iliui. IVa....l. .llulu. .l ' . ... iwnMiwnwn. awnanreiTTTB ITT oar CIHInlS. . 1. 1- .. 1 ' ! ... ... . ' anil. iii iieiiiiuiiig, i eceii i,. Ate ioles Ahe ixiivii .iiiiairrio nave repiicu r-inl III r-tur he had hist made wst on of extreme liberality, that it would subject, the Minister to a seveitl responsibility belure theChsmherti I hat he had been already wamed. from various ouarlers. that he would be held tn g strict account for hi Settlement of line nair." In the same desnalch - Mr. Hives details a e.inverialinn whl.., k UA aviih il. 1i....i..i ril.M fv.iM;! ..... a : .1.. atnOUllt of our slaiin. in wfiirh he said "ihsl it si partniHiariy AtarUf tnst tla' bunlen. 01 tfieitr ailiustineut sbiiukl now fall unon the rxitline . (ioveiitmcnt, in the present crippled state of it resources, and when alt its esue ntes were iinn a war looting! and that it wa -certainly not lb interest of cither enuuire lumiAa. -. ment which ihe legislative authority here might refuse in rsrrt Into eserulloa-" - In another tlespatch of Mr. Rives, ol the 39th ot May, IS.1I, he relate conversation in an hi - tervirw with the . Freshleiit ol ihe Council. lbalMulllUai.-MIUltlMIalM tika .Lt.l that bnt for the Chambers, (her would be lei difficulty in arraneinK this nueiiion. bm that ha apiirehendrd a ery erioiis npposiiion lo H n Iheir part, tiicb might even more tertuly em broil the relation ol the two countries, bv re fusing to carry hilo exeeuiimi any airangement winch siinnid be made." lie added, "that two maniht sooner or later could not be of ranch, impot'anc in lb set lie ment of (hi question, and aiked me if there would he any objection to adjourning its decision till the Hireling of the Chambers, hen the Minister eould have ai, opportunity ol eoniatling sum .f the leadiait men of th two Honses," This linsiniinement was ubjeetsd to by Air, Hivsi, and was not itt- tileduon, . Durlne ll nroeres of Ike nrroliatuui' lh principla til indemnity was early eoneeded. The French M miner first offered fifteen mil lion of franst. Mr. Itives demanded tart. l l.. L'.....L m:.:.. .j m ....... i . leeiily. fnnr, and anally , with ettreme reluctance, loteBly-five. At the point nflwenty-fnar, Mr. ;. ow jiiniincr aaniweu 10 iweeiv. fa liivec tame down to thtrry.lwo, a the medium l.elweealhclwo pntposals. At that of twenty- five lh Frenrb Minalai. i.Iimi.miI I lkl ullimatomt and, in a despatch of Mr. Itives of tie viii Millie, ia.il, n rcMrra me riencn. Mmlalev In have Saul 'Alhal it was the Oliiiiinai nt the roost cidighiened and inflnenlint members of botti Uhambert, that in oner ol twenty-lour millions, heretofore made, was gresilv mo much) that m , '. , 1 ' --iai ether leaiU t.. ...i -. ,i. ... -k.Kk... .i. - .... .