-! Amw f atlD OUTLAW, Edi0r. xiALEiGir, u. d. TiruTisD Air, 'tttA&G, iota VOL XSVIL 110. 3 11 i. is Br a'' 1 (!' " ' TIIO.TIAS J. lEMll'i . rttOPBIETOR AND PCBLIallER. f oacirriJ" tkresdnllar personam oil k dfis ailvsnae. : Sabsariberi in ether Sinttt ."' ssnnitt be'allowed tbremaiaia'srrearilonper th.nonsyaar.K parsons eSKteM vHhoutthra gt.te, wh way deili'elo becttmc subscribers. ill b strictly required to pay Iba ahole e- monit oflhe year'tsubscrlpuouis sdvsace, 1svstiiivt, ao 'eseerdina; fifteen lines, Ihxm three times for one Hollar, and lata- tr-ara aeiitt lor each soniinuanee. i - - 1 1 "CONGRESSIONAL? SPKF.CH OV THK 1IO.Y. HUGH l WHITE. OP TEK'VESSEi:. Oi the BUI to distribute the proceed! of the $alt of the rublie Land among ttrt different State, delivered on the 251 n of April. 1830. Mr. White rose and addressed (he Senate the following effect:- , - Mr. Par.siDr.KT: The subject under " --- . . -consideration is not new, but tne cir cumstances connected with it are both ' ou ui nt -cum ven tea Mr t -,! we i. ' c - IX . uwenouuig aiui nae Jia uveiuuwing Trea-urj. The common want for an canojai3caljAialpi8lnow o.f;he Gov ernment, will require but a small por tion of our vast, and accumulating, ; treasure; and the question is, what dis position shall we make of the surplus. Several projects have been present ed. An increase of the Army, of the Navy, additional fortifications, and munitions of War, is une p'an. An- " "other Ts to purine funds in "the power of the Commissioner of the Sinking Fund, and let them vest them in stocks, which will add to our wealth; A third in, 4e form contract wUbicrpf ated Hail -mad Companies for transporting the hialf rys ''Wit ike f6f es "arid you r armies. And the fourth i, that pre sented by this Bill, which is to dis- . tribute the proceed of the Public -Lands among the several State. In forming an opinion upon this sub- jecitT fimnmyself "compellerto form some opinion on each of thet here also, that I may be able to decide which ought to be preferred. . But the first question to be settled is ne of power. If we have no powrr to dispose of this money, as this Bill proposes, it is only a waste of time to pursue the subject any farther. Some of our enlightened public men, years past, foresaw difficulties which Z would, iu l tin Cr 4ii i gttta tc (rum su rpl u s -e accumulating in the Treasury, and suggested this very plan for disposing of them. Some doubted the power " uhijer the Conslitut'ion, and suggested an aien linent' to remove the doubt j others felt no doubts, therefore did not deem any amendment necessary. All, however, seem to have concurred in the fairness and juttiee ot this disposi tion of such funds, as might not be needed, for the uses of the Federal Government. If I mistake not, Mr. Jefferson, while President, made a suggestion to C ngres on this subject. Ten years ago an honorable Senator, f rotOfe wZJ ersey,! no tiTISecretary Zuf the Navy, and 1 do him the justice to d J, tl"n, a--well a now, a xealous friend of the present Chief Magistrate, moved inthis bmly on this subject, had a Committee created, made an able ' detailed report, accompanied by a bill, which wasnot finally acted ou lgrfws! jwwiiwni T do this gi-ntleman justice I must parts of it aa are material, that we may have the benefit of hi opinion as en forced by himself. It is found in the 4th vol. of the Senate Documents at the session 1825 and 1826: doc. 95, - page 1 1 and is in these wordu, , , " inationofthe subject," due-attention to ' their other duties would Oermit them to make, have come to the eoiielnaion that great ad - . vantage wa.ild rrwdt to the United States fum an annual diatributioa among them, by I me equiiaUtft V.isU.oof :.M!on.jf.irTia-.. tiunal revenue, tur the purpowa of education and internal improvement, ur tot such rther purpoara aa Ilia State Governments may ra anectirtlr deem moat to their advantage. Whether the United State shall divide the "whole of their revenue, beyond what are re quired fur the usual expenditure of the Gov ernment. domeatie and foreign, civil, milita ry, ami naval, to the reduction ol oor public debt, until the whole of it altatl be eatinguiali- - ed( or whether they shall applv a portion of those revenue,- ptoMiaed fur the most im portant purposes, and thereby canst more . 1 I . r -t. - A. A.. I . k mnicoun n 111c piiuiicuvu mvitvi itself into a question of eipediency. , "nt remains for Congees to determine which of these course will most effectually promote the present, as well as .the future'; prosperity of the country. There csn be no doubt, that money distributed among the States as proposed, would be invested in a wy to give much greater profit, than the in tereat en such money would yield at three, four and an half, or even five per cent, which are th ' rate of interest now paid on the greater part of oor public debt. J As Urge portion of this debt is payable to persons in Europe, to discbsrge it as fast as our mean would permit, would be to send front Mm country, sooner than necessary, funds that ere - wanted at borne the incon venience of which would b sensibly felt in the present emMirassed Wat of -our monev- ed nwaet, and moat probably, for several years to Come. -., ; v, .-. .. ;.. . ,. i i i "Money distributed -a prooosed, would r ve n W metiXHlf U Iniuilrf mtid tnmfHtt in H Ibe Statcsi and ttul ruml sad timulum It would create a vigilance on the part of , the State Goverpments, over tne expencii tures of the General Got erment.'and thereby prtvht the wKie.f money and, tjie tep? lion of extravagant measures, that might di minish the amxMint of the annual di idemls. , lt would secure mpati,at jtattct I alt It SliJr in the diatribuiiua of the expenditure ol our revenue, laiiure ui wiiikii at ireavni . t- : . r :i. r i -. is a Subject of Imid and just complaint 'It would relieve the General Government of the serious inconvenience of an erfluw ing Treasury, W liipli, if not provided for in the Planner proposed, or by. jfc jredoctio4. 4. Oo revenue, win impair me most important pnn IS.IS'l.MMnwtlOnw,irtrfn33ii.- .'lt would relieve the two Houses of Con gress of a larcre portion of leg ialation, now devoted to the diaposal of our surplus funds legislation of the worst kind, calculated to produce combinations, sectional feelings, in justice aiid waste of lbe public treasure. 'It would transfer to -the Slates, the regu lation of large expenditure for Interns! Improvi menls by rosds sml canals, w hich if retained and exercised by the .General Gov- ernment, contrary, as is believed by many, to the letter and spirit of our Constitution, will. in time, so far decrease the powers of the Stale Governments, and increase those of the United Slates Government, ss to destroy the edtrfalivo prinemple of our Unitmy -and eon our system ;of cm fcdfl g UiEiCullici arising jeclion, ou cvnstitwUoMat groRods, to- the- ex ercise 01 the rujht claimed on the part of the united Mates, ol making roads and Canals through-the -differenT, States" "ortlie XI iiioiv; It would enable the General Government to keep in operation an (liciciit system of fi nance and revenue with advantage to the States. And should the exigencies of the country require the application of all our means to some object connected with our na tional peace and prosperity, those means could soon be brought into operation, by sus pending, fur a time, the dividends to the State. By this h treasury -would -be filled witnout a sudden resort to new taxes. which might be oppreiive to agriculture, and wbiCb Kiiirlit create much inconvenience bv inteirupting the pursuits and industry of our &!Ul,T-. "Money collected from the source which now give us txir revenues snd distributed a mong the States as proposed, would produce a rapid and profitable circulation of our funds. from the centre to the extremities of the Union, and thu add to the force of the moneyed capital of the country." - It will here be remarked, no doubt was fel t or -ex pressedi atto- poire ri 0 distribute .every portion of the revenue, which could be spared, and a plan was recommended for adoption immediate- y, although we then owed a large debt, bearing various rate of interest, front 3 up too per centum. Next in the order of time, la the Mes sage of the present Chief Magistrate at the commencement of the session of Congress in 1829,- found in the Senate Journal pages 13.. and 14. ..That part 01 11 wnicnir material, 1 in in esc words 1ZZZll.lI J-1-111Z1. 1ZZ. .. After the extinction of the public debt it is not probable that any adjustment of the tariff, upon principles Satisfactory to the peo ple of the Union, will, 11 nl d a remote period. lever, leave the Government without a con. idcrable surplus in the treasury, beyond wliat may be necessary fur its current service. As then the period approaches w hen the ap- plication of the revenue to the payment of debt will cease, the disposition of the surplus will present m aubject for the serious delib eration of Congrsas, and it maybe fortunate for the country that it is yet to be decided, considered in connexion with the difficulties which have heretofore attended appropria tions for purposes of internal improvement. ami with those which this experience tells us will certainly arise, whenever power over such subjects may be exercised by the Gener al Govemmrntt it i hoped that it may lt'd to the adoption r some plan, which will re- j COticde the diversified inUreal uf ibe States, j and strengthen the bond w hich unite tlu ro. Every member of the Union, 111 peace and in war, will be benefitted by the improvement t inland navigation, and the construction Of kijliway in the several States. Let us then endeavor to attain hi-ienefit' in-w mode whicli,ttiLbe, eno adopted tti.'i, by msi!)-of oiir Fellow piri sens, been deprecated as an infraction of the CtMMtitutiimt while y others tt has been a voweda iMexpedieil. All feel that it has been employed at the expense of harmony in the legislative councils. I oavuid these evils, it appears to me thst the must sale, just and federal disposition,' nicli could be made of the surplus revenue, ouulbc ilssppoitionment among tlie sever-' UillUll---Aatbl aUtOSaisl lUlal SaaaVaMlira tt I ill 1 IK 1 warranted b. the Constitution, that it would be expediviiTio propose to the States an a- mcnciment autliurniiiig iu 1 regard an ap- oispensable to the general welfare, ss among woi, anu wjirn t rxrrcise is ueemeu in-1 ine most sscrcu ol all our obligations, upon this country, nnr than any other, has in the province of God, been cast the special guar dianship of the great principle of adherence to written Constitutions. It it fail her-, all hope in regard tot it will be extinguished. That this was intended to be a Government of limited and specific, and not general power must be admitted by alii and it is our duty to preserve for it the chsrscter intended by'its tranter. If experience paints out the neces sity for sn enlargement of these powers, let us apply for it to those for whoso benefit it is to b exercisedi and not undermine the whole system by a resort to overstrained com structions, he. ? It will be perceived thai In these two short paragraphs, the justice and utility of distributing these surplus funds, are presented . to the mind, in language as clear, distinct, and forci ble, as csn well be employed. It waa not necessary to his purpose, and therefore he did not examine the question whether the powers of Con gress over the moneys arising from the publie tandti were as limited as those possessed over moneys derived Imm foxes, and he' contents himself with th expression of a general doubt on the question of power, and recom mend an amendment of the Consti tution to remove it At the session of 1831 and 1832, this subject is Introduced into the Re port 61 Mr. M Lane, then Secretary or the Treasury and afterwards Se ereiary at rate.:wiiat "wriiyr-v?nf be found in the Senate Documents, vol.". 1, do. 3i iwrtre : 12 and it , in these words: . '.: "'. , fTbe source from which the rsvenu has hitlierU been derivad, ant the imports, public lands,aud bank dividends. With, the sals of ths bsnk stock th hitter will cease; and - aa the imports, seeoruing to any scaisoi amies wnicni wWtsVt-tpstontaMrac will be ar wcil to i - i . . penultum, tost portion of lbs revenus hereto- for drawn fiom the sale of th public .land may bsdiapsnsod with, should Congress ss fit wi- .k;..;. .1 proper to observe, that th creation of numr-i ous 8tste throughout ths Western country, nowiorrainga most important part 01 tnei Union, and the relative powsr claimed and ex ercised by Congress and th respective Slates ver the public land, bv. been gradually ac cumulating causes of inquietude and difficulty, if not of complaint. ' It may well . deserve con sideration, therefore, whether, at a period de manding an- amicable and permanent adjust- vaoou surject wuicu now agiuus 4lj.inA&!s-iMlIe''-ia geousjv- dinpoved : of, in - oommanwith- the J: 1 r i ' -.v ,. iVrtrr, and ppottPfitoplfc to aU parts ot tha Lujon. , -It must be tulmittod that th public- lands were ceded by th States, or subsequently ac quired by the United States, for th common benefit, snd that VacArte Jas an YncW Jw their proceed; which it canttet juttly it deprived. Over ibis part of the public proper ty, the powers of the General Government bsve been uniformly supposed to have a peculiarly extensive scope, and have been construed to authorize their application to purposes of edu cation and improvement, to which other branch es of revenue were not deemed' applicable. It is not pracucabl to keep the public lands out of.uWmarlmtr aad th pr ant mod of diipas-1 ing of tbem ia not the most profitable, eithef to the Genenu Government, or to the elates, snd must be expected, when the proceed sbatl be no longer seuired for the publie ' debtT to "give rise to new and mors serious objection. ? "Under these- circuinstsnees, tt is submitted to the wisdom of Congress, to decide upon tbe propriety of sll the publie lands in, the ggre gate, to those Slates within whose territorial limit they lie, at a fair price, to bo settled in such manner a. , mljrht b satisfactory to all. The aggiegate price of the whole may then he appertitntd amanj the meveral State f jhe Uiutn, according to such squitsU ratio ss may b consistent with th objects of the 6riginsleloa, ' tid paid," dte. The vigorous and discriminating mind of this highly gifted and useful man, at once recognizes at sound, a distinction in the powers ot Congress over moneys derived from a disposi tion of the public lands, and those powers that body may be supposed to possess over money derived from oltier sources, ami he strongly urges he- necessity and propriety of a dis trtbution among the State. It is fortunate that we are not yet placed in circumstance which make it essential to decide whether we have a Mjwrr to divide all surplus revenue, no matter from what source derived. I profess to be what is t ailed a strict constructionist of the Constitu tion, and that our power to appropriate money is necessarily confined to ap propriations, to effect some object up on which Congress . is expressly em powered to legislate, or home neces sary and appropriate means to effect such enumerated objects. Still 1 ne ver ha ve. been tailed we do not po Bess the-power To distribute surplus revenue, if it is believed wise to do SO; No just Government will take, eith er by direcLorintlirect taxes, more money than is necessary to defray all the : renft tiietit. When taxes are imposed eith (erfc'dnly'rfrTi-bjn"eTw duties, it'.connot be foretoltl precisely how muchwitt'i)ewntetlt"orliow much will be received, in the Treasu ry. t We must . necessarily act upon estimates. -To some extent; we .will be inislakeriT" Foreseeing t1ii, and for the sake of collecting what will be -....jnt-. ..;,:. u . uitl slmiict in. I ry. In a seru t. of year these ac j cumulating balances will amount to a 11 m too lariro to remain locked un. and 1 . ... done? - We surely are not - at liberty to devise some wasteful and mischiev ous project, merely to use the money. "It came into the Treasury by mis take. Mistakes which, in the nature of things, could not be avoided. Have we no power to correct ;thein when discovered? Is hot the power to re fund the money a necessary result from the power to assess and collect U?.v j Is not this a power which , Congress has always exercised, and must exer cise: as to individuals? 1 ' By mistaVe. our officers collect and nlace in the Treasurv. monev which ought not to have been' collected, the mistake is discovered, and the individ ual calls on Congress for redress, We pass a law to refund the money, Where da we get power, to do this? There is no express grant of any such power, but it results . from the very nature of the relation which exists be tween the payer and receiver. The latter must always have .power to act justly, to act honestly, and whenever he finds he has money through .mis take, he would seem to have; power to refurq jt.,,Bti 1 1 (Jo pot Jnten.tL.lo'. .t: press any opinion on this point, or to prolong a discussion, by introducing important topics, not necessary to ou action on this bill. All 1. intended was to state, lor m vself. that should it c erjuctuiue MctcsMtrr . 114 uiscuss ine general tubjet t ol pur power otstn bute the whole' surplus, bo huttef from what source' derived, for one. think it well worth a careful and de liberate consideration, before it is either affirmed or denied and I most . heart! 11 v concur in 1 lie aoumi uueir ine 01 ine . ; At - . , - -. . L- , war power. The question which we must now J..,.:.!. ; u,l.u.k.. - K.v- to do that which all admit, it is p-r ftlr JUSt we should do, if . We have the powerdistribute the proceeds of tne aalea ol the pUDIIC lantlS. The' following cDiiaulerati rations nave satisfied my own mind, and they are respect fully submitted for the reflec tion of others. Our public lands were acquired., by the United States, bv deed of cessions from several indiviJ- 11, -- ft tat mm and v tti-4.tiprha nf ,.5Wu:s,-. .- .. uouisiana ami mrtoa, . wnicn were lands which had been ceded by ludi- ftAdSta4avi?.'7"- The most important cession was made by the SfaU, uflVirginit, . in the year 1784, anil jharirr.lrlhe'"it!"el stoti material to our present purpose, is in the following word.: , "Thai all ths lands within. th territory so coded to ths United States, snd not preserved for, or appropriated to any of the before men tioned purposes, or disponed of in bounties to the officers snd soldiers oftb American army, shall bo considered s a csmiasis fund for the us aud bsuafUof such-of ths UmteJ 8tst aa have become, or halt become, memliers of the confederation, or Federal allisncs of the said SuiyiriidaiHclufivejucvdinUtJieir untiil rttpective prprtin in the rtneral charr and expenditure and thalt be faith- juuy mna bona Jide Ottpetea f fer mat pur- pate, ana fur n mer ute ttpurpeei -tthartt' ever." I vol. Laws V. a. p. 474. - This language creates an express trust between the United States and each individual Stater""5"- By it the United States stand pledg ed Id hold these lands in trust, that they Shall be faithfully managed, and their avails applied for the joint bene fit of all. So far as it has been applied to the payment of debts due by all, the trust has been complied with) out now the debts are paid, and there ' is a surplus, have we the power to give this surplus to those for whose, use the trust was creaicur ; , I might ask who can doubt it? Suppose the Stales, still bound to gether onl for tlie articles of confed eration, out of money raised in its own way, and out of its own means, each Slate had paid, when called on, its re gular qti'tta for the expenses of . the Ffder.il Government, and for the pay tnent of the national debt, and there was a turn us of twenty or thirty millions of dollars, for which the Fed eral Goveniirlrnt had no ue, would we not be bound to distribute it? I say we would not' only have the pow er to do so, but if we did not exert it, a court of chancery would compel us, if we rould be sued. . . The very terms of the session Wk to -diajfrftuffohrflf this" were not ao. why isay in the 'rfVed, that when used for the benefit of all. "Virginia" thull AetrtcteuV! which payments shall be made to e;ich?.If we pnly have-powerJo..pay debts, and bear common expenses of Government, with these; money a,- and can do nothing else with them, both useless. r . lliake It therefore ai too clear for a loubt, that il now connected by the articles of con led era t ion only, we would have the power to zdistribute. The next question is, did the adop tion of the prrsrnt. CtmstHutioo. alter Cwgrrtthe-11 their engagement ?Zla!iwVr unhesi tatingly no. ' ZZ.Z Z-.ZZ--ZZ. In- the 6t hrarticf eZn f the Con st i t u -tion, the first paragraph runs thus; - "Alt debt contracted, nd engagements' en tered Into, before th adoption of thi Constitu tion, shall be as valid against th United States under this Constitution as under the confed eration." ... ., ;. ' . . . ' .V In the Sd section of the 4th article of the same instrument, this language is fonnd .". "The Congress shsll have power to dispose of, and mas all needful rules and reculstioo, respecting th territory or other property of too united Bute, and nothing In this Con stitution shsll b construed to prejudice any chums of th United Stat, or of any particu lar elate." Thus we find all debts contracted. land engagements entered into, before, i were to ..remain unchanged,, and the .respective rights ojf the United States and of each . individual State, were to remain ., preriselr as if the form of Government had not been altered, and express power 1 conierred to dispose of the public, ismis, and to tnalte all needful rules and regulations respect ing th territory or. other property of tne vniteu states. , With thesa different , provisions be-' fore ore him, who can doubt the power of the United States," to da that which. by accepting this trust, they express- lj..agreed..todol'.-,.... , -,-.. -----Cessions from the other States are made substantially - 00 the same con ditions, and liable to th. same dia- troops will come, on days o( election, fjsitions by Congress. Louisiana and and as they are hired to do our flzftf lorida were purchased with the avails; ing they will do our voting likewise. onfic the same, and that trustee holds these! lands loaded with exactly the samel burden, and i bound, if those for! whose use they, are holden desire it,Jo dispose ofitheHi and their proceeds in the same manner. I bold, therefore, that be the, gen- ! etw of power todistf ibiifetite there ought to be no question as to the power. to divide moneys arising -from tne sales o lands. . cut it has been argued that it we have the power, there is no money to divide. I hat when the amount is settled, the net gain will not exceed 84UU,UUU. .. -r - To this I can never agree. The United States took this trust fund, and with it purchased Louitiana and FlorU da, and. how we are told they have had the use or the money Jor nothing, and witlonlr iccottntToritlie"! principal, ' t Iuwww6:ws . If ine trustee UKea the trustv lunuanii trades orton t, he must account to the ce$tvy que uset lur. all the pmnts made, The question in chancery would be, not what these countries cost, but wtaTihcy irfewrthr- .::..,. .'1 You cannot fix a price. ; Louisiana and Florida! The sovereignty and jurisdiction over them alone,4s worth more to this Union, than all the na tional debt we ever owed. llow much duties have we collect ed from their ports?, llow much have we avoided - paying,--be-tnaking-tliem our own, instead of letting them re- I main foreign ports? How many wars nave we avoiueu oy tiieir pumiaser In ahortr- whal wouldr-yottHake-tor them? No sum. They are beyond price to the ' rest of Hit iThib'Z''ZT' t)u this part of the subject, the question with me is, not what sum we now nave t the ivcasury, which - was received for the sale of lands, out whether. wehave a -aura ialhe-Trea.- sury equal to that proposed to be dis- tnUuted. over ami above alt- thaHa necessarr to be annronriated to take care of the great interests of the coun- try, anti wiiiioux ueoning. tne otaies v.. . , . , r . , . , wun tne auma patu lor ijouisiana ami Florida, because I am sure, upon any fair seltlment, the sum due from the Union, is at least equal to the sum which it i proposed now to distribute. What sum have we, and what will we probably receive, in the course of I he year;, uzzn,.::::. :zz,riz:'r I will take round sums, disregard ing tractions. . . , W now have in th Treasury 133,000,000 Of this sum, th quarter- ending SlstMsrcb, produced 11,000,000, 8upposeths remaining three qtiar- terstosversge thslik sum, snd w willhav on th 3 1st December, mor by - 33,000,000 Add th value of our bank stock 7,500,000 Estimated amount 72,500,000 Deduct for falling off and dsfl- ciencte , e.OOO.OOO 167)00,000 After this liberal tleductloiuwe will have 8lx(y-sevenmilliona of the year. Wow lor expenditures: ; The ordinary wants of the Govern ment Ought hot t.i eiceed 8 1 5.000,000. Mr. M Lane, in the remrt of 1831, to which I- have-dvertrd,Tl?xes rtipon that as a sum amply. suOicient, and it appears to me in aU conscience il must drive us into the most mad excesses. Let us diaa tak this as tb sum- naeenrars for our ordinary xpene la th eours of th year - pia.OUO.OUO. Add to this, to be Oistxibuuxi mong.th State ' - 37,000,000 The two sums amount to ft J,000,000 fake forty-two millions from sixty even, and- we willrktUl. have , ifi, Jlir J nireasury fwenty-Kve millions of doL lars to apply to any extraordinary ex penditures tor Ihe army, the navy, Mr fortifications, or for any other purpose whatever. , . The arm r " ought lo be Increased so much at to render secure oar frontiers. The increase of our navy may be has tened to some extent, and we ought ultimately to have a naval force, more than able to chastise and drive off any foreign fleet sent to Uockade, or seri ously to infest our coast. Iarger than that we no not need, and ought not to have, if it were given to us. Fortifications art only wanted lor important points, at which an enemy niigiuuo mucn miscmei to puonc or to private property, by sudden Incursion. The whole coast we never can, and should never attempt to defend by for- tinration. If wt do, wa must have a large standing army to defend them other wise they will.be applied to the pro tection of our enemies. ,' We are told by the Secretary of War. in a document Derore roe, that Old Point Comfort covers C3 acres of rrnund. and to nrotect it by an aie quate force, would require tevtrai Ikou- i n men... - W e never can, we never ought to at- tempt to defend our whole coast, by so e i, ' many lonincauoDB, as win require any considerable increase of our army If wt do, ia time of peace, the short" time leave usnoUiinj" worth fortifying.- J Such' defences lire contrary in the spirit and genius of our Government and ought never to hf tonlenanced, or tolerated to the anreasonabl extent. which syme appear now to desire. ' la the same document af pages . 21, 22, IrtMw tiw-War- Department; the Oecrt- be commenced unlit all the proposed sites are resurveyed and plans devised upon suitable scale, and recommends a Uoard for that purpose, which will require a small appropriation of thirty thousand dollars, lie also recommends experiments to be made in relation lo steam, or rnova -ble batteries, which will require an ap propriation of one hundred thousand dollars. . . ' : r Well then, if we concur with the Sect etary, we want, at present, no p-- propriation lor new, lortincationsj but thr.;t we so iff d ttf:httBtked' afttt thirty thonsantf dollars to delraj the expense of a Board, and the cx perimeots of which I have spoken , As to the fortifications, notff in prot't " rrsa, let auch increase be made in the -appropriations, at- can reatonably be - useu in tne course 111 tne year. As to the suggestion made that we ought, at once, to appropriate a sum large enough to complete the work, al though it may be five or ten years be fore it can be completed, 1 do not think it ought, to be soctiooetUJt.JfL vnec4aarUy,and for a long time, put ting ai nazaru, in the nanus 01 agents, -who may prove faithless, large sums of WWXrltowjm appropriations be made, and thus avoid -" - Z.". all unnecessary risk. Accordifijjf to tlii " lime document, the expense necessary for ordnance must be comparatively trifling. We can be- much Tnore readily supplied' 1' ' than thad imagined. Upon the whole I think alL the rea- sonable demands for the army, for the . na vy, foe lorti fica tiona,- or dn an cevsnd " J other munitions uf war, can be supplied " without making any serious impression, upon that large fund left in the Trrss- . ury, after providing for the distribu. lion, as proposed in this bill. , Allusion has been made to matters pending before us, when not acting aa a Legialalure, which, if perfected, may - -oecasion a considerable increase of ex pediture. -"Z s: -- vZ';.Z ".'r?':j":" "; ; .That may be sotyrt we must remem her that not much of this expenditure will, or can be th'u year, or the next, and that these very measures will in . crease our resources, if not entirely" equal te our ; increased exjienditure, - r -: very nearly so. ; These matters, there fore, may belaid aside, v Another project for ridding tht Trea sury of its surplus, is that of placing it . in the hands of Commissioners of the. Sinking Fund, and authorising them' ta vest it in some secure stuck, yielding; a reasonable profit. This might do, " and is probably intended aa an expe dient to save the money from lossi butT a t a moile of lessening the fund.lit would be making bad worse, it would ', be devising a plan to incrta$e our store, berause we would expect a return of the principal and the tMcreit produo', dued by it. l- '"; .; Z Zs. - "' Z But for myself, I have no Idea of' sending our money among stock hbers. 7rr" into tne margci. to be higgling lor bar good and in some other, very bad. Far: rat her-wonld I prefer they" ih0tttd r tnattt wnere tney now .irs---.. -, Th last schene fir adoption Is, -" thst front the Post OiUce Committee wilh the aid f steam. Z7 -- " With . the ftiil of this machinery, I x nave every nine aouoi, tne whole can ' be , accompUhc4 e very hof t time -,y Z Tlie Whole'of this,- which, without intending disrespect to the Committee, 1 must can anivi contrivance, is nei- ther more nor less, than the oJ nyitem of Internal. Imprtnemttw with federal , meant, and by Federal power, revived, and the more odious,;because of the at tempt at concealment, The, old iyZ . em has the meiit of manliness. , Its, friends think the Federal Government has the power, and openly avow that they will exercise it, because, in doing '" so, they promote the public interest. This seeks to violate the Constitution -by stealth, and the contrivers of it most" think the device is seertfully conceal- ed, that the public can never find out " the design. ... ; t Now, sif(I think It perfectly proper, that where a rait road can be'had, the Post Master General ought to havo " it power to contract with the compa ny, to carry his mat?, and I under stand he Aaa thit power already there- " fo e as to existing rosds the'bill will . be of no se.; He can make just as '. good 4 contract without, as with, this ' bill. .- ': : . ' ' , It ran only operate on roads com- , tnenced and unfinished, or ones beln ommencd.. How then will it p- - rate? Say the road is to be one hun- , dred miles long, and ten or twenfy miles only finished, and ,the comjpy to need funds, they make a contract t Z carry the mail, aod receive at once' out of the Treasury, a sum cf money,