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BIiiLui -'L'Or. ZR. Elo-rcli SGt' , 1871. Note. If the Eieijcai. Recokdeb "'will ut j tha fwrt article and send to me at "Cutler, Taylor county, Georgia, I will, on the reception of the same, send , the subscription price for that paper for i one year. Elder J. R. Kespesa proposes j to subscribe for the Becobdeb one year - upon the same terms. His paper should be sent to Lilaville, Schley county Ga. ftr .- - - JohjiEowb. ; 'E1JDE3 JOSS ROTTE, ' r "r . Dear Sir. -Though your proposi . tion was published in Ziori Land' . marls ia January,it was not seen by ; mi till a few days , since, -when I found the paper at the house of a friend. A Jcopy of the ; paper coh 3 tslsing it should have been sent di-" recUy to the Biblical Recobdeb, nnlesa the propositionwas intended 'foTBancombe.' . ' vi Having at last seen yourproposition and supposing it to be made in good J taitb, X accept and to-day commence the publication of your article, to be continued from week to rweek, till concluded.' I purpose to accompany the: pnblicaUoikwith respectful com meats pointing out,as I may be, able, those nuhappy delusions which have obccnred the faith,' and corrupted the practice" of your preaehers and people. Judging from y our denuncia tion of theological schools, missions and sunday schools, and from such of your writings as I have seen, I am pel to o crcome their opposition and final ly leavir them to perish for their wiUM unbelief and: disobedience?" I answer no, but Dr. Hooper answers, So do we.' And now I propose to show, first, that sach a sentiment Is utterly inconsistent with the idea of sovereign election, which Dr. Hooper affects to hold; second, that the idea that God : strives by .:. law and gospel to save such Is finally perish, is ' subversive of the ,doctrine of special re demption; third, that it represents sin ners as sovereigns and god as a depen dent; fourth, that the theory i supposes salvation to; be by works and not of grace. Then to strive, what is It? : It is to make efforts, to use exertions, to en deavor with earnestness, Ac , -'if . Now, of course as Dr. Hooper believes that God strives bylaw and gospel to overcome the opposition of some sinners, whose opposition he does not .overcome, he must believe that such earnest efforts result from a choice of God to save such sinners; for even men, Ignorant as they are, would not strive to do that they would.not like should ' be done. And now, Dr. Hooper, suppose I should ; ask you, the following questions: Did the Lord strive to overcome the opposition of Cain? I have your answer before me. Did he strive to overcome the opposition of Esau? I have your answer before me. Did the Lord strive in good earnest to overcome the opposition of Judas, to con vert and save him? I have your answer before me. Do you believe that the Lord strives by law audi gospel t; overcome the opposition of sinners Whom he finally leaves, to perish in sin and unbelief? Tour answer is in the . affirmative. Oh, my dear sir, are you not afraid you will jeopardize your character as a man of learning' by holding' such conflicting sentiments? What Is manifest .to us whl he na tion, like fal. not s.loua. i. well together, ed U Qd Otlis and go vhcn el r; yet elec ices, abides works stand ;ctIon Is allowed convinced thaty on stand squarely on the platform laid down by "the Eev.' I by the Lord's effectually calling , and TiTnea Oahnnm . V. t IV r.T ". flfl hft convening some sinners r his cnoice mav - . I w,lr f Ma K,,U. .. If -o ... W . . - - ; I " v aj a-aw va co J v j vnter, your reputation as a speaker, Lord stries to convert other&, thouea ; and the high esteem, in which you he faiU you imagine, yet that effort to stand head, it It lug remembered that there Is no good works of men, except such as election produces. This the Apostle makes evident in the following words: for it la God which worketh In you to will aud to do of his good pleas ure. Phil; II: 13. Now as it 1 is elear from the above text, - and many more, that it is election that produces all good woiks, such as are pleasing to the Lord, what good works can be supposed to pre cede and induce our. election; we may reasonablyexpect effects to follow causes; but never have we heard of causes re suiting from effects except when we have been listening to Armlnians preacbl Or if they deny such va charge, let them speak plainly and teach that good works are the fruits of sovereign election, which preceded them; and pxedestlnarians bare never asserted more upon this subject. and so the controversy would cease. To hold good works as the fruits of sover eign election Is not only a rational, but also a Scriptural view, for the saints were chosen before the foundation of the world that they should be holy; and when, la pursuauce of that election, the saints are made holy In the Inner man by: an Internal work of the Divine Spirit, then they work out that which is by the Spir it wrought in them; and such and only such are; truly good works And we may trace them back, first to the Spirit's worf; ind thav wofproceedtf 'from sovereign election, for God works all things after his counsel of his own Will. And from whence does election proceed but from. God's eternal , and everlasting, love? . i f Thus we may, in the light of revelation, trace good work - to their fountain or source; and indeed every work proceeding from such a source, whether of men or an gels, is good and ' acceptable to the Lord ; and to show that no other work is accep table with him,,the Apostle assures us that . ... ! . . - . . . . I 1, jy. :zt )to allr.vles it j fcoiuyfmvn men aro loo ick in w ,3Ki to us . ithont r :a ro r- wpiwud. wh one kn . a Presby- cmce) to the AlmigUy "nsa terian who wu Hick," nigh imlo quack doctor' striving to euro latb,"and Hmtt lor a Uiptist raini- tha Eici : on tbo supposition ter to. biptiste him. Th minifcter that He Strives with men; went, and ref'ua d to administer tbo Well, God says : My spirit j oriliuanoe. When tbe isick 'man re- 8haU not always Strive with coverel. his tears left him and he man." "All day long I have stretched forth my hands to a disobedient and ' gainsay ine people," "I havo; called r and ye hav refused, I have stretch out my hand and no man re garded," afterwanl died! without ' baptiHm. Tle converted thief could notbe'bajv p'zed, and the Savior accepted ! him without baptim ' When literd obe dienoe ' becomes imnosaibl, God does hot require j it; but willfal and persistent ' disobedience 1 is always 5. Elder BOWO declares that danrori. Rut if oedo-bantista de- Urace ana WOrKS Will not Bire "union with the : BaDtiatn. let Biana logeiner as copariners," r iueia adopt the baptism which all ntJUt Wilt IDOa Know, U ' vain I appvef an j then all controversy man, that faith without works wji oeaae. , T?u " , " ! Tlie preacher I also laid down six our father justified by works, A ... , ftf ,.t rtj when he had offered Isaac his -.vu As't LS : sonnponthealtarl Seestthoii Weaen hig n.ght to 6manu!actura nnw fair n ; wrmiffht i wnhf hia H; i . . . . ,w r.4f : v " -r v artfole o! laith lor our people, I works, and by works was faith "-w , 1 i n r ""J7 2r He also acoused the Baptists of made perfect! And the Scrip- , TT. 1 f r o- ture was sulnlled1 which saitli, I Abraham believed God, and r V , ;'" was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was call-1 y , i ,,.v ..i,..1 . , n a I ' rh "peaker close'l by sh wIqsc, in a ed the Friend of God. Ye see k Wr aml rTlU m4nBfiP th. extreme absurd then how that by works a man lly of tue Baptist, in excluding other is justified, and not by , faith Christians from the communion." onl;"t James ii:2(X-24." , : Tu Bptiatn: do not m ke thet 6. Elder Rowe plants him- Lord. supper a public feast, or a self oh the doctrine of election matttr of hoapitality; but they do and becomes an absolute intl- not wexcludf nther christians from: del in regard toother teachings the eomuiui.ioui' for they ecj.iy the Of Holy Writ. Predestination communion ten as they please, instead of being one source of j Where B jptiats have had entire oon- COmtort, SWallOWS all the gOS- trol of the government, they have pel and becomes his Alpha and Omega, his first and his last,hia all and in all. Why, are held by those ' who in this state shows that he la just as much and in like j though he bestow all his goods to teed christians must not live by the represent tne views promulgated oy I manner concerned for th salvation or I tne poor, and though he give hia body to I bread Of election only; but by Osbourn, justify me in considering those that are lost as he is those that are be burned, and have not chanty, It profit- I everv word that Droceedeth you the lion of the tnbe ot Us bourn- J ; crc, . w out ot tto moutli 0t God. ites. The word(Osbournites) is used. without any intentional discourtesy,! - and because it is the only word known to me - which correctly de scribes hese who call themselves . "Old Eaptists,"'01d School Baptists, Trimitive Baptisls," "Predeatina rian Bay tists," "Hardshell Baptist8', If any comment of mine on your article shall seem unkind, I bfg par saved. or perhaps I should first ask what is elec tion? Mr. Webster answers, the act of choosing choice, the act of ; selecting one or more from others. Now, if God chooses to save all sinners, and that choice is manifested by his striving by law" and gospel to overcome the opposi tion of all; as you . say, then I' ask from whom does the Lord choose his people? According to Dr. Hooper's theory, he does not choose them from among the children of Adam; for he says the Lord strives to save all. And suppose he was upon the 8criptural principles briefly sta ted above, all that the Father givcth to -Christ shall come to him. See John vi: 37. And there is no evidence that the Lord strives by law, gospel or any other means to bting any more. " Hence. I think that it will be plain to the enlightened mind tnat Ut. uooper'a Idea that (Jed strives bv law and gospel to overeoine the opposi- uoa ox sucn as unaiiy pen an is utterly in consistent with the idea of sovereign elec tion, wnicn tne ur. anecta to man tain. CONTHfTCTED 27SZT WK. . ! comments: "The pastor of the Methodist church, in this city," edified (?) his congregation on Sunday before last. with an allocution on the Baptists generally, and made some allusion to the Biblical Recorder. Had we intended to criticise the Methodists. in a public address, we should cer tainly have given the Advocate due and timely notice: but as we knew don in advance ; because my only capable of doing so, Doctor, would you 1.; The, Pharisees supposed nothing ot this attach until several bbiect is to olace the truth before then hold for election? What would you inemseives, Uie qnosen, pecu- uayai w maue, we uow no- Tf T siftll -miRrnroftriL' vonr I uiwimij r iou couiu uub uieau wuat, i nar uvupiv Ul . VTUU. , "e Ufa uo wu u ma xu,vwu,ie. iictvv oajo ioic bcxui pumco. xjv jruU iDnuiain 8 SeC(14 AOranam 13 I mo cuiwjr vi i.uab paper BpeaKB oi notperceve tnat tne.iaea tna oa strives i our father?-; They, v not i only an "able and logical eermon, based oy law ana gospei to overcome tne oppo- lheir . crops even 6f on a text found in Acts I : 5f siuon oi sinners, in wnicn in many in. mint, anise, and, cummin, but j Here i the verse : uFor John tru- you. views, or fail to state them fairly, I promise a prompt and honorable re paration. Wtole we difler oa many th P.5h! p thA xml nf Ond and Dort of the term election. Surelv where ovuiucu wiiu muse .yuseumm wrj uuoburii as thaonlv Standard of divine truth, all of things or persons would be accept- who . put . unhthed food, upon be baptized with the Holy Ghost thVnW atithnriHr in dftrirlin nil 1 d thcre could be no choosing one or their tables, and they thanked not many dayghenoe Questions of religions iith andnrac-1 v . r.ZZl. 7. ' . . Mr-l-W fVfc. AUO 4B JB P- . t ..; - , 1 your arucie, " we tnuiK tne aoctnne oi like Other men., liut that lie - xpuryum, uiw -w ireigu predestination and election is Written in :n :a vot n i.r, tice. your views acccr2ing tto the law and to the testimony? of the Holy Scrip lures, andcay the Lord ;dispel 'all tiam ot the Holy Spirit, foretelling tne great event w men occurred on tue scriptures as witn a sunoeam, ana we hna .(...j,, - n.v"fcim 1 .. tathetestimonv"ofthe!Holvficrir rwonderhow John Wesley and hh pious' " ." , me oay oi irentecost; ouc we preacti followers,: can fail - to Bee it how they: can regard Paul as an. Inspired teacher, er used it to preface an untimely philippic on the "sect everywhere -m -m m - m 1 . . . m -m . r, wl,at ia tt.K l d not cceP' thcs doctrines M the P?6 on,e P,re e' and W? P against." are not able to With beet wishes for your temporal and spiritual prosperity , ; I have the : fcenor to be your numble servant, - v ; : J; H."inLLS. 1 .? ' Hditor of the BiblicaIi Eecordeb. vealed truth of God; much more do we wonder that they can rail at them as per nicious v and v abominable." Now, . my dear sir, I can heartily adopt your ex so "compass sea ana . lana to jselyte.and the 'word of God of none - oytneir traamon. , w iheAdoocai could erow out of I j u u' u f Are the Tharises all dead? 1 tS denotation m ..which,, .tier ' Are there anv neoDle in our dav I - JZ. .4? e P R80 pressing his desire for av acqu. mhling theni ? Are there fl tha Are rese sermon was made . bctijer,TayxobCo.Ga ( v . December 1st., 1870. . Elder L." L " Eodeniiames Dear pression here, for often, when ? I have laUed to eonslder the dark and benight-; ' J T I flret d ,the text was then stack ed state of man since the faU, as reveal- xa'- up before it. ed in the Scriptures, 1 have felt astonish- I t " om uvug ed at their opposidon to the doctrine of I to' them, has in Spite : of their sovereign election, which has 'been t the I earnest " protests and ' Violent JSroiher : On perusing Dr. Hooper first I source of so much comfort , to my poor I strUffgles, registered them r as letter," puLlished in io a' ianJOTari, ! souL - But then I am on less astonished I dead head ' Dassensrers in the oh 3, Oct. lath, 1870 I perceive the fol- J at your astonishment, as yoa hold elec- 1 Qld Ship Zion " and will final gyt laity and all: "IT any of your body can put their finger on one sentence, in all the ten thousands and even millions of pages poured forth by this (the Amer- The preacher said : . "The burden of, proof rests upon the Baptists to - demonstrate that , the word. baptize, as used In the Bible means to immerse only.'' r Ym. hiiri thev' havft itn.VMl it 'a , i - v ir"v'"- . made no elfort tb prevent other le- nominations from celobratin' the Lord's Supper. ! " T f; Pedobaptists exclade some ot thf ir own members from their own com munion. A little boy who was a member of a Ledobaptint ohurch, attended and desired to partake of the bread and 1 wine. When they were refused him, he cried, and th e heretio nurse carried the poor little tellow out of his own meeting-house by force. Such a rcene never oc curred in a Baptist church. Baptists do Dot slam thej door in the laces of their own members, and then mag nify their liberality iu inviting the unconverted toj tho Lord's supper. We have not intecded to say. any thing discourteous or unkind of oth er denominations. The gospel har vest ift truly plenteous, and there i room tor many thousaudM ot labor ers, besides thoso who' fol low with us." " Would J God that all the Lord's people j were prophets, and that the Lord would put his spirit upon them." j What a Contrast ! i. Elder W. H. Jordan, com mencing a series of articles in this paper, said : ; ? "Haying lately received a kind and fraternal letter trom a highly .es teemed minister of. the; Methodist ex: pressing nis aesire lor an acquaint ance witc me, his condolence in my late bereavement, and his wishes for .ray usefulness in my t ne w; j field of labor, he proflfers me I the use;; of hi several churches, and invites me to cooperate with him, at : xnyi own convenience, in . holding religious meetin&rs. I a.n induced with a n 'the position Bind t sUoal I oc cupy in relation to t'i oth vr d iom- tnation1. , W do ' not- prnpoe to answer these articles, but we cm but no tice manv exnressions. that show an Intolerable anioont of bigotry. pncki uigoiry is a sname to tne Nineteenth century. Bigotry lads men to see true pity . along the tineot its own cnosn : denomina tion. John Foster says, that ' the bigot is like an African buffalo sees right forward; but nothing on he right hand or Ift. He would not see a Iflion of angles or devils at the distance VF j ten yards, on the ono ide or the other. ' TIh creed is al Procrnsteah iron bed, stretching ont or cutting off,- eviry inmg to ui tnai , -. . s The spirit of btgotryis the god dess of difoord. It seeks to array the sacramental army .... of the. Lord against itself. It is brainless, heart less breathes thn fire of wrath,prays prayers of eternal vengeance,writes its victories in blood, and fattens on sanguinary desolations' And al- tnongn this foul ' spirit has been hewn asunder la thousand times by the broad sword ot logicians,1 and perforated by the solid shot fired trom the goapd artillery, still it lives and stalks abroad in the erarb of denominational piety. Bigotry has tne peculiar power ot. transforming prejudiVf s into fundamental princi ples, and disputed, modes Into great laws and vital doctrines; and thus beoomi g a tyrant over the con- scienct- of others 4 v f , . , A bitot maernilies a Bin ele church tenet into snch transcendent impor- tance, as to pronounce all who do not believe with him as heathens, outlaws, and heretics.'' ' We are perfectly willing that the reader shall decide which of these writers has imbibed the spirit of the Prince of Peace. John Wesley and hU pious followers do. V V i inousaua um,ea. xou say u means t view u Vmu ' I will venture the assertion that you . 144 i to spnnklei - llere the burden of I senumenis, as wen as ior iuo pui cannot flrd an intelligent Methodist in j "i uiucra w cry m vdia i prool rests on you.'' I pose of commending thenr to the American that will repudiate "the idea of lor Oeuyerance UO tnese peo- ;.The Hible does' not nresftrlha a mt. I MhJMmitinMera.tion of the chris lean: Tract Society) the organ and repres-J a conditional elecUon, just such as you j ple .claini for .' themselves onlj 1 ciJU mode for the performance ; of other I tian and especially Of ' the Baptist eniauve uug coiicuieu uuiuuujljt oi i jruur&cu iiuiu lun vr, u jruu wwuiu ueujr i ait iuc uuixui t.a ui luo uuuiriiiU I uoparui vuruusn uuues. 'i rayer is a America, can put their finger on a i ten-1 holding conditional election, then why j of election, reiect Or explain 1 Christian duty, yet its mode is not pre-' tence teaching good works as earning or I would you represent the Lord as striving j awaV all the promises and . invi- I crlDed ' Christians are left free to tatinns rt thfi 1 trosnftl find nn- I vf .uwutug, w use wnt- ui : : t uicBsuija; iu a wunu ijuig iu I as to the attitude f the body, or the wickedness ? , , If a man should I quantity of bread and "wine to be used una any sucn people, .tugni ne I was prescribed. s meriting salvation and to be done ,with that end, then I will shut my mouth and , pieau guuiy 10 an your maledictions." Truly this sounds loudly, ahd I hope it may not be altogether an empty sound, but that the Dr. will at least confess his guilt, if it be shown that he himself has written such a sentence. I have neither time, opportunity.nor inclination to refer to all the millions of pages poured forth by the American Tract Society nor do I v.. deem it necessary to do so, as the very Mutiment which we are challenged to ' show is contained in the same letter in which the challenge appears, ; and this I expect to snow, not however, to any who . cl"--; th'r eyes lest they should see. And tho- I feel inclined to tako: part I la ti.ia c ntroversy, yet that impression Is net L .u cay t.:. rov;.! cf what brctV : er C -11 written, but on the contrary, I very h!hly approve and appreciate the teiti-zt ar.d Etyb cf Lis rcjly to Dr. llocper, and would thank -God for rthe v- -AA.:y !ven tlmin the eame, yet I am , tst vclur.es ir' -it be written up- .on tte surject cf discussion without :,ex tzlj 1- cl-'.IcJ,I therefore feel at lib erty i : r:i !y, whkli I do not, as I hope, .T ... j v-jutrvveny sate, tuf that the t-'-"i cf C ' rt- rua acd to gloriSed. l i-cpe t::;t i,'r. i.-per tlniself ,1s acan- d; J r-"1! P" J would not be kn: ,v t..e truth, as he is an old man, and tzwi s . : ii 9 1.-.LD eternity."-Only a few J c ' rs r : rc at t will end .' this strife with Kysslf, Dr. Hooper; andnanyth . via. ,.A.,, wu. c..oi..a.we cisccss our C12:r.-.-:3 wit!) li-litness or malice? I co i ; I : 3 ir all the millions cf .: l -o: 1 -1 - -t'-i 1-y tlie ' American . ; - - i i.- :.cj, tlut uch a f' '" '"-' t" f.": " ' '.J could be ; " j 1 :!!:ve tl. r ? ty by law and gospel , to save sinners on condition they would yield to that striv ing? By this theory you not only Ignore sovereign election and indentify : your selves, with Arminians in common, but you represent God as a quack doctor, Who must experiment with his patient, not justly suspect v them of aid- to see if he can efTect a cure. Do yon I fog the work of the Devil ? suppose the Lord does not , know k who wUl yield to his striving by law . and gos pel?- Surely he knows this, if he knows all things. Why, then, would he strive With such as he knows will not yield? "Will you answer, to leave them without excuse? : I reply that their ' sins - leave them without excuse; or, if they do not, them by law and gospel will not, for the Lord snouia nave employed oetter means. And bo the Lord himself might need . an excuse, and what excuse could he ren der since he possesses all wisdom power f Here I must say, that such a sentence should not be written nor such tion propounded, but to show the cy of falsehood and deformity of error. I once heard a reverend gentleman eay the bcrlptures . did teach that some sin ners were absolutely chosen to salvation, sad no man could deny it; but he said it cia not roiiow that no others could he saved. This Is much like Dr. Hooper's theory though: -there U nothing like et tber.m the Bible. The Doctor says he telievea in the sovereign choice of cod, by which some: are saved, and that he strifes by law and gospel to overcome iV. an v..t a;. ai. . . commou though fruitless attempt to har nonizethe doctrine of free-will with sov- ertign election, and to mingle works of the creature with the grace of God in the salvation of sinners; but Paul confront --h a theory with.' the fcllowLn El'sa : if by grace, then ii it no i T,xrh3, ctherwi's -race Li ri r l-.-tif ittecf v.-c:-1;s, tha h i; v)"tx --".re, et ervi-3 vcrk ii no r:-:-3 vcrV " -i: C. I'r l v : : 'j text t' ' ',i tie i.ecc.---:n::y j;,; rre-l, t! 2. Verily we marvel that ome poor worms of. the dust are so exercisea concerma God's sovereign election. God is Then, why dow the Metliodist Disciplin e prescribe aa attitude of the bod iu receiving the commun ion? llere it is: VThea shall this general confession' be made by the minister in the name of all abundantly able, to taI:o care of those who are raladed to receive the holy all his dicreCSv Paul expound- conciiialon, both he and all the people ed the- doctrine ot election i for th iCCt.wwl4,i,ici . cf cc.vilcd church-members: but noi.:;: ir cd man ever rr;i:!;:J it tj tL un kneeling humbly upon their knees, and TharreacLsralao said: v.s nr?c.s Mi.nf-'aiiy presetted., tl? L . !bKei tha liberty cf chc!:ti WtAicr menioers." oommunity," toj write the present article, exhibiting moTe ' fully the news contained in my reply to the communication of my excellent 'and brotherly corretpoodent. ' If I felt myself under the necessity of declin iog overtures so fragrant with!. the Spirit of Christ, I am senaible that 1 snuuia nave i manuestea an nn- christian temper,' and that my ' con duct would have been -offensive to the Lord, had it not been dictated by a paramount regard to his own authority and honor. It may ; bo proper to submit in, advance, a .few preliminary remarks on the subject cl christian union, by which I wean union among all who love the' Lord Jcmis Christ. Oa this subject ihall Epcikireelyas well oaccauat cf its trenetal 1 importance, - as ; be- aua t i . r r - 4 I i i t : . , I .... , .. .. - , and Vcr.:;, ju:t u t..;y I , " C"X3 -ca a W9. j cwsa ci its relation to taa paniwU. 1 never ncc.ru ci nrcUoCLir." t ' muhj mv puiuocj iui wmtu muuuuwg g. aques-1 they never tell cbr.org to v.wlt uw are carried tr j.no a:?soraaat views ox aicrcrt falla. for Gcd to dr-v tl.cj ,Lut tiU Cu-rc'1 Pr-;:4 -t their denominations, unhappily affecticj to them 1 6 repent, x .;cy d:J rat oppecetheso v.I.a p:ci.oI.: I t!.3 gospel to t;;o lic-t:.c:i but rc joiccd when it v.'aa cr.nnu;;!'1 the Gcnti!::, th-t t!::7 .1 repent and ta-a to C-J, c.r.J 6 for rc eccm to tliir.1: t?:3 willin t to LI;:3 t: tr.3 works meet r.3 'Eon: X - .AU k Jil AAA- T - 1 AA .. A dik C-l - Zl' 1 A- 4 t -t! bo to t:.2 1.0 TC 1 141 V,. ill D: in t-j coiisyiit, aud thu, when they are grown'-". tnd 'convert:!, bnpti.n n d : ted th-a if they d:e:rdit. C CaIuicIi," er.J tlia i-nc:3nt babca cr3 : J in before tLsy are c!i eic-. ' Yhera 13 th3 .liberty cf j - . - a hrjj na;ber cf fj. i-o v.-c-t-r. ,e J ava .-ttl-.t'L-:on Lirr.:r v.-c-:' 1 ji. 3.a ;rc :t tre"! rtioa c;;:; i :....: ,if LaL ll-abrr' tl.e unity oF their ecclesiastical actien tA.oi'h necearily obstructiA", re? net etop the current cf christian f. lowt'aip. , They are nil brethren in Chri.it; end as such they ought, end ini.:i fi love ono another. 'Upon no other Bupposition can t hey . 'per- Eu?.de. themselFea, with good reisen . .a! i ! ' 'l . tLr.stney "cave pajsea iron ; c-i'ii to life." lis that, do?a not lov3 every eoul that love3 Jesus CLrLt must atr 'V himself with a very un -7 thV rifety Eifa rc' cf l :u 4 I 3 rc ir i jvVaIi not kuowfcia il crn'.;.:c3. jwfciu not C i Go.ii.ibvy vLiu it,3 L: . r.ot clarato a:. S 1.; rscr, r ll::i r;'"oi t!i cr (' ' ? :. '.. ,,'.' 1 ' . ' i:;- '1 C i j 1 V': ' ' ' i (!!,.r t For tbe Biblical Kecorder. What a Preacher Said Is it. true ? Recently a popular preacher said in a sermon: "I believe that all who are fit subjects for heaven, are fit subjects for bap tism; I believe ' that all infants are fit subjects for heaven-: and are therefore fit suhiects for baptism " -f? "- - -; - ::- Does thiss preachers belief embody t ruth, and nothing but t ie truth i . 1 believe that only a part of it is true, and that part only on a condition. ,; I believe that Infants are - fit subjects for heaven when they die m infan cy; but only on "condition that they die in infancy; that is be fore they reach I the years of ac countability. f 'v f t The preacher above alluded to said ' that infants were born sinners that they must under go a change to be nt for heav en -that change he believed, was wrought for them by being made sharers in the atonement of Christ -1 believe with him, that all infants ' come ' into the world sinners -that they - must be changed before entering heav enand that this 'change is ef fected for-them: by the atone ment of Christ; but that ' is wrought only for those who "die in infancy. I believe that when God determines to take a child from earth, by death; that at the time of death, ' or some time previous, he makes it a partaker of the saving benefits; of the atonement,: and this fits : it ior heaven. . , -j , .But I cannot believerthat any infant who . is destined by God, to live until. he or ehe. reaches that period of accountability,, is ever made, before Teaching that period, a partaken, of the . bene fits of. Christ's : .atonement Were this true, then it must be said of all children, , who grow up to be wicked men and wo men, that before theyy reached tb.e time of accountability they are saved, but the very moment they reach that time they lose their salvation. This would b absurd." and contrary . to God's: nlan of dealing 'with his crea tures. ; r .-fv. h v If then, none! but those infants who dies ate made partakers of the saying benehts of the atone ment, and are thus fitted for heaven, then, f according to our prcicher's ; -.theory non3 hut such infants ts are known to bo ttrpointod .tito ) -th are fit subjects for baptism; -Dut ifir.far.t3 dyirjos euch ard modo fit fr h;avca ty tha atoneir.ent cf Cbri5t," which 13 r.iy bc":f, cca tL:y cro net &i eubjccU for bsptisnl,' which tha Elbb E rcciC;3. God- in his word clirays ;rcquirc3H bc fore baptism;! John baptized ncna .'tutHhqoa vtL'd brought forth fruit meet fr repentanco. IZzX, il:; 7-8. ; i IIo '.flit: believes r.r.d 13 Lptiicd c. Ucrk xvh 10. And ir.er.y of tho Corh thiar.3 hcariji'v: believed and were bp tized: Acts sviii: 8. Tho very fact then that God in hh word he.3 0 clearly decided v.-ho era tl.e prefer u.bjectA? cf t' -rr.. creniv cxreecs t:io Delsgatks to Tnr. Conve... tionat St. LouisThe Board, of Missions would he glad to know who will represent the N. C. rfaptist in the next sess" ion of the . Southern Baptist Convention. Any brother who proposes to aUend will confer a favor by informing the Presi dent, or tho Corresponding Sec retary of the Board. . - T II. Pritchaed. ; : Porthe BiUcilRjj'lir ' - . . . " Elder Earle. 1 ; . Jam much pleased witkKl der EarleV plan. We. make great mistakes in protracted meetings when we address . the unconverted in very large sab tiath meetings when the church is as cold as ice. The next day the members are every i where except the housa of God. The meeting quickly comes to noth ing. God works through his people. Bro. Earle understands this plain principle and does not have so many flashes in the pan in his meetings. - . Ho requires confessions. One does not attend his meetings, another is v?ry angry with some person, and .can't forgive him, a third does not pay his subscription to his pastor, edij tor, and other benevolent ob jects ; a fourth does ; not ,-pay his debts. Ho hunts such peo ple out and his words sting their consciences. , - , f . When they are prepared tor a blessing, it comes. . .Nearly three fourths of the New Tes tament are addressed to church members. ' v . Xet every JBaptist preacher, every Baptist, and every friend to our churches in N". O. - tako the BECOEDEii in 1871. La dies can sell butter, eggs,; and garden vegetables for it. Every man near the towns and rail roads can sell wood and get it. Every mechanic in town as well as in the country can take it. ':. Many of them .; maka four times as much money, as I do, and I can take it. If a me chanic drinks 3 times a day at 15cts each drain, he will drink enough in 7 days to pay for tho Hecobder. JMany. a poor man says he cannot take the Kecoeber when he has 3 dogs which cost $10 a year, : when one would he sufficient. He prefers ;to lay out his money on dogs than on the minds - of his children. .. .L ... . Tho Recohdeb is for 1 year, v $2.50 EL & P. Journal for 1 year, - - x,5Q Kind, Worda for 1 year. ; ; ,;.. .50 utte .1 : : r .ecy zly cx?zzzi cf cur preceher's 1 t!.3 ni tzV.3U3,(l Pet. i.!: 21.v..it be; ti::i u tho It c : cc:::e:: Le c;::li to a . i v . . i --A A. 1 Y 1 y u:.ec::- r;. i Not equal to one medical visit : $4 '?- One young lady can raise a subscription of 5 and have 20 copies of the xi. & h . Journal to one address, and . another lady can raise $2.50 for 10 Kind Words to one address..;, . . E.DODSOlSr. t . Elder John Lelaiid- Eld'Tjeland, of Cheshire Mass. was many years sinco dislin guisheu for his good sense, his powerful eloquence, and his eccentricities. He was the idol of the people, : lived and died in one place, was several times a member of the Legislature, and a member of the constitu tional Convention. Of Massa chusetts, and with Dr. Bald win, who was also a member, exerted much influence in put ting all denominations on an equality in the State. ; For a long time one denomination was mora favored than -others. He went three times to Yir ginia on preaching excursions, and ; was greatly admired large crowds following him wherever he went. In - those visits to i Virginia ho bscaine acquainted with Thomas Jef- fcr:ou, wen no (jrcztly cd mired and - defended whilst meet of the ; Ncrthsra clergy meeti2t.honee3 would behut np, r.iLd their Bibles burnt, if JclTerson wr.3 elected preei d:nt ct tha United Statcs.Af- tcr JclTcnon wes elected Pres ident ho proposed to Ma peo ple to esnd to JclTercon a larrra cheese, into wincn no ieacre.1 iet t?zs to put a drop of. milk. Hi3 vrcrd was law amon hij reoplo. On a certain day all brought their mid which was prepared, nd;prc::ed in tho ciler nil! fcclezisj to a man captured tho celebrated Azdro. A checso 'vrds produced, ; vreihin sixteen hundred pounds. After : it Wa3 properly matured, ho sent gir r r r -r 4- icr ril tlo way to' Washington, and ctartcd -'with ;- s largo and etrcng an cf Lorc:i to carry it to del-crsen, Crowcl3L.cc- cd to Lear tho .et G . Past:r3 ana Churches. - Most chureheH desiro .... . . i-fen but how ' foW ar make their iHuturi ?Qdern;::',!K ,B rfcUon, an able luiantW of ih v td'Dreach lh wt,A 9" r. . tt entirely to the talentba 'u!?8 has rri fan Ua.m T ... : t f i 8W who . A- WAAWW.. ;liir-tcn v,Tith '-as tho 7aIii"gtou . whero . he r.rccc Ho carried it to V.T. 3 1 1 ca .. jr., J A, J uy lived t-) has eriven them ? : r ti.;..V... ,.. areWy who bav beea bVdaW to Ibe worr, who are scarcely kn0W outride; tht-ir own Wghborhood! and yet their talents naturally y morally ; are equally as :gyd aa wide. Then the difference in the b,l ity of miniBtera, at least to a grt ' tent,must be attriiitable WthsUvw " tages enjoyed. Itis tra4, there Z be some ministers, as well as mea i other profetwon who have nu position to iraproveVbot it aeemg u me, a church before calling a " pig. tor, should know ibe man Whom they are about to choos!' to 'possesa botk the ability and' ihej dispdsitida fu gain iaformatiijui. that'wiU be useful as foo I to his ' flock ' and when the church has btaiae4 hii service, (obligation to sorVeY let"tU brethren not conclude that the' ol ligation is'all en the side of thepdo, pastor, but un tie his hands from sec ular employment,4 that'he irvr9 himself wholly , to "these "tUng" ' Experienced and? observatioii teack ' that one occupation is enough- tor the same man, especially one bo im portant as ,. the christian mmistiy. Churches should not complain of the pastor't? veak efforts, until they 'dV charge theirduty, and know that be fails to do his. - ', j . .TDE OF CJJa A PAST0K-. ( c Perhaps moat of country churches in N. 0. call a pastor annually. Ac- cording to this plan on the part of churches, pastors can have but little idea one year where their fields ot labor will be the next. . Thus they are denied many advantages which other persons enjoy, of laying their Diana one year for the. next. It would be well as a general thing, if all churches would adopt the . pUn, followed by some; call a - pastor : for life, or to continue while 2 both par ties are . satisfied. If either, ; tho church or pastor, should con'clada j' that a change would ba bettergive the other due notice and at accord- bagly. I was1 much pleased with the eentiment expressed by tha la mented S. (XTatum in 1867. Whm asked how long ha would be .willing to have the same pastor, he replied, Jf he is a good preacher and suit the congregation, I would be willing to Jhavo mm for mnetv&ine years. ' then take him for the : remaiader of bis life." In manv cases, if not ii ' majority, the pastoral year expire! late ia the fall, ar time in many re spects not suitable' for changia nelda ot laoor. , If churches will call pastor evify year, the latter part of the summer or early i a tho ' U when our district associations are meeting, would baa' favorable time for ministers and brethren to confer together. It would be better " for moving also, as few country pastors are bachelors. i- '"-,',5" - ; QUAKTERLV PATlVtENTS. ; As every toing is conducted on a cash system these timus, church see at once the importance of pay in? the pastor at least . every three . L al -.j'ti :1 .1.. i.ii ? . p - moutuB. ii. is amy io tae interest oi the brethren to do bo ; ' " " -l . . P. OLIVER, r The First African Baptist Church, in Richmond. .Va.,' i j poi?dd to have a larger membership than any other on the continent; if not fin Christendom. It has thirty deacons and numbers ; on its rocords '-more than 4,000, with over 3,000 resident members. - .- T -- IV In tha Rbcobdkb of the SStuFeb jon give us ' a Very grphic aad interesting account of the noted James Oabourn, who it one (Low (Mused bucIi gre&t dlstreta among God'i people. .Te ir:r9 Terj gtaJ yoa did this. . It will no doilt do Llii merons followers cooi o seo llio proslit cent traits cf his cLiract .r. Was to a converted man t . . You aeem to tklnk te as,' and e-ys 'LlUI W8 btlievo hs ws a' coayitt:! man," aadat tia easia ,tla 0-2 t"-J witli being a revilsr of LU trellrci, Lijf ij":t and weH-f;sadjd ca f:t:j . - J leal yoa can prove tlie doctrine, ? we r - difer from joa in that bsiief. for 1 'il has Bill, (I Cor, 6: 13) ITa -'r&Til a iliill inherit the tu-doai of . (lod.-- If a -J ia converted to tiis christian, rcli jios, believe he will Caa.tj czter -.tlia t-"J doin of God. if- '- t Ajsia, yoa cbnr-9 hia with landerisf. a 'Slanderer l- tla IreHAien." ' This . think blio a ; tif hteo-aa ' jai j-ent, wo undcrbU J the wt rd sLijr it. i4P censure fil3clj,1! T,-iw,a u ia f Iila Zz0 ly and it ia written ia Kev. 21 : 8. "AlllUra shall have their p rt in t'J lake which barneth with fire and brim stone, which ia the Beccad dcith.'' lla ia also charsd with 'lovlag 'nijzj;t This perhaps ia tha test fourd;i -of - charge made and i3 the key to the entire , character 01 tae liev. J, u.-bourn cate love of monej let. .3 men lar voji God, and Lo'.iae??, ar. i is ever: 2. Tha written ia I Tim 6:10. '-The love of r. a- ev ia tha root of all evil.1 Eat lesrlul charge is, that f f " aaa civioioa atnor-coas r awfsl the rtr-or.:.,;:;: I 3 -17-lSthit is record i 1 brethren ms.rkthe"i r ' ' f and ,Z:---i,z . . t ye hare learned; t:.i t. For tr. v f.. . - . 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The Biblical Recorder (Raleigh, N.C.)
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March 22, 1871, edition 1
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