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the dayj The Fellahs got possession of a small convent without the jeitv, which enabled them I to 'aim at thc.soldiers. and though they had no can. non, yet we were sm near the caslle that the balls Jrom, their muskets Whizzed over our heads and around U in every direction.; r We lay thus for threor Jour, jughts,) and then, concluded -hatjt was better to full into the hands of the Lord than into dip Jiandi of. men, and s6 returned into our . partially i dilapidated, house. Perhaps you would . nKot u(' were you to see Eeri ceiling, settled ilobrs, and other marks ht tell of rum and threaten to make it a jmass of rub- "ciTOuinm me wans anu ler races, the half fall ui&n.b u is sauitnatalUUje upper hart of the house must he taken down .andirebuilt before it can be inhabited. Through tho A irfw rtf firil wn ........ . yet left houseless. I and my httlf family have a small open room, or. house iu the garden, but of so antique a date that it would requTiV jio very bad fhakm:; to bring its rotteaitone akcheldown upon our heads. Mr. Nicplayspcps family 'find' shelter in some lower rooms formerly used for lumber Imagine us lvihgdown at. night with more than a jnere possibility that our beds might be our tomb,; : endeavoring, but 'often without success, to com poso ourselves toesfaniid the firing of musketry and t.ie roar of rnnnnn OK KrtTTT rlWT.o,., " .. ieeaogs 4 (or mine at least) , ' i r- v . uu ulilCl CT L L ili l: till I . country, Und jite Idown to rest in my own quiet room: .Withdrawn ifrom all earthly props, and in a situation where, were they near me, thev would u ui iiuie avau, l can oonotning out go direct to God ; and 4ind j peace) -only in committinsr 'm'vself and all that s dear to. me into his care. The promises of his word never before appeared so pie in rommit inor rmr. selves t;trod. or protection under so many appal-' ling circumstance. : from what they were when I iuini wua mv ins m BiT own wacpinl . ; Surely sarictiGed affli tions give alife arid fant tooZ rfJtfcriA TllShS" r to the hlsedipromiseJof thBible, endearMl is smiles; MSlW power the Saviour, and draw us neaf to God fnr hvrn,? whatever prosperity can realize Oh how trifltn now appcur many:, many things to which I once attached importance. - Erpn'. ll ,tW r,rti; di, tnn Krinrr llta fan! ' J C After the .description of the causes of partial lamme in the city,! the letier proceeds: Had hot UB dear.iatsstonary.v.friends'j b6en tnbst providen tialy snpphed with stores, out of which they , hos pitably entertained us, I know not what we should haiedone in this emergency. You will think me sellish,' perhaps, m dwelling so much on our owu adairs, and saying little our nothing about the state o the cuy, the war, anl the suffenng of others. "w , yvc luiow noinm. ana are cb irPrl tn mi in our ?s day .after day. in the most nsiit.fnl paspense.'r RamOrs and conjectures, som' of them ; - c Jitiv k iuueea neara , out -we1J quesiion tne trutft ol all. We are troubled. hoW ever,,with but very few -Visitors, u The disloyalty or disafftioa to the pasha's souniversatTamong the Mussalinans, that ther are said tn hp Ju L?. satined in their houses! One thine is certain, that " w vijii uh come in no more : the i i 'least, that several commnnifrntinnc liauo r,o;j u tween the Fellahheen and the Turkish citizens. tiome of these, baye been intercepted. One of the i.i.5tances k so singular I must detail it. I, i .Although no one has been allowed to pass and repass for secular purposes, the rites of burial have been respected by both parties. At the commence ment of the seMe,'a week ago this day, a Turkish woman, veiled 5s is the custom, presented herself athegate, requWiing permission to go out.. Her stature or something else excited suspicion. ; She was stopped to answer . farthei inquiries. ; ""Who arc you ?" Why; do you -wish to leave the city T etc. , She replied,; that she'had just lost her hus band and wished to ; go to. his grave and weep there", (a uniyersalpractiVe ia Uus country.)- Not liking ; her ivoiqeha soldiers- unveiled the lady, vvhen behold a portly man! stood before them.' He was searched and letters found to this effect l Jiat.it tfia t ollaheon wiuld advance and attack the city,the 'soldiers would no doubt sally out'to attack them, when the MuVsalmkns within wnnM rise and take the place. This determined the sol diers to ijemain 'within; and act only onthe defen tintil they should receive aid from the Pasha. Why; this aid doss not arrive is matter of great srir priseliy ?yen theiPashi does not come, in pei on.; lle left Jerusalem buit recentlyand has been in JatU cyer since, whicji is within eleven hours of common tm veiling. It is two weeks since the re bellion commenced, and, one since we' have been closely beiged, I It is said by somf thnt t!,rt !l- er.t haye been ent olT; by oihers that he JEM prsorl within a few hours lof city with Icrije rein rcebent ; cther adm say that he dare net Withdraw: iis-!i.power jfrots4 Jatia, Acre; etc; Jor f car et ia similar rising in thse places; out that he mUSt Wait .Uhtill tronns --nyri rrf frnm. 41oTJ.:. now , wuemer. we are to una: nnd le finally giveu up to trie ?rco a leular sierP. insult's and ravaises - j . n i rt i.lWi03S. TUUltltUae. Or A-h.-'Jhnr ho 9nt.rA,.k f discjrnmed: troops shall cofctoel the rebels to re tarn quietiy to1 their house?- -j-jd. leave ns nnP mop. m peace, s k nq wu only- to our Heavenlr Fat ;ther.ft It my dear husband were 'only with us. or could we hear from him, be assured of his safety J And;heofoursbui peace be stili.v- The Almigh ty has . m : these trying scenes been " better to us tIiaa HcTS! Lan4. infiriitely better than our des- Wd"' " S0Ul tlfUSt 0nly June. 11. Several days, my sister, have-elapsed since the close of my last letter. Many of them wpre days of such awful interest that 1 1 could nei ther cornmand, opportunity : nor composure sbfR tent to describe the appalling: scenes around me. Kyerv after the danger had ia some measure subsi ded,! could not recall the past but with'feelins of ,s4ich horror, that for thesake of iny d'eat babe whose health is mucJt affected by mine, I have felt itto be my duty to keen .mv mind Muxc. m mis, enueavor l nave been mercifully fissisisd witli strength from above. I idallpfl itTM-4r (Joil in ray trouble.1 Ile henrd mrinrar :, strengthened we wjth strength from 'on high. ' -Bdt to keepyo norlonger in suspense. .-The ; evening I concluded the inclosed letter was Satur . iayv.May 31 ; at sun3t Mr. -Nicolayson ascended turned with the assurance 'that the wall-were : manned kis;usqaIrtN gates closed ajul the soUier ,.at their nosts,!,Wti, jetied Jo Crest ; and jis the Veattier hurl h.onni ' prthi vtra frTol 500a mgms rest;buta ' cd by a large discharge oom raiunitrni i was awak of fir e-arms j s nd the k Is - wmstied arouad us in such a mknnerthst l was sare. the engagement was within the: walls . r.i Ilhastily awokp Mr, Mcolaysonwe altTesseri ehndren. The narrdw sireet that passed-ctfr front door led d.rectly to.aoas oecied bysoldiets " Mr Nicolayson Went there toti'ste, and found the -the,utmost expe.ntion.-- fhat h'.eh We had;anti . cipated and teareJwas now but too" certain - that . V'J "",ut "-C'J. "u re were at the-rflPrW 'ft a. lawless and ferpjiou s muiiiruae. The gntpg j a. ' gooa or great Uwindles into nothing, when we en counter the horrors of war, earthnjiake, onJ searci- iv, n nouammc. !T ipsr th nr streets are silent and deserted; patrolled only by a vigilant soldiery.. I: Thus ;tire fears without and i ears within.' It is said . and lhelipv l? of the castle closed morning dawnedthe morn ing sacred to Hirn' who came -to bring Jeaea arid goodwill to man the day also (Junej 1st) on which you with many of your beloved friends were to commemorate the love of our Redeemer. Un- uvt wiiui, uuicicui circumstances was your sister to,speMus,Uoyn AfjeUhQ,.rciirjng of. the.$oi- diers we were not left long in suspense, I The nw-J . V iui suence was broken t by the shouts of the Fcl- lahs, the firing of musfcetrv. etc.. while-froni ' the streets werei heard the breaking open of doors antf the running of men to and; fro; To add to' our dis tress, our servant, who had been on the terrace rushed into the room pale with terror exclaiming piunaenng the city, sister, our feelings at Can vou iraarriue, inv dear that awful moment. What eartlily pQssessiqn or connection could now avail. Whither could We flv I for refuare. but to Hini who said, 'JfCall uponi me in the day of trouble, and will answerjtheej" We did call 'uporj him'f.a'nd sought him not in yam. y Mr. Nicolayson read the Seriptures, and Oh how Vich and appropriate seem ed every line, especially our Lord's last: conversa tion and prayer recorded in John, and many of the Psalms composed ages ago in this very vicinity, and under , similar circumstances. Indeed so ap plicable were thev to our situation, that thev seem ed written expressly to quiet pur fears and strength en our conndencen Qod. it our hearts did. not deceive us, we did not "so much dread death : fll. f n) I longed to jcare;a world uf so much wicked- mMj uuciijjduu aurruw, unu enterone wnere all is love arid purity and peace. I endeavored to look to the Redeemer, trusted throuh hb righteousness to be made , meet for the inheritance, of the saints in light and; glory. But nature weak, terrified nature shrunk from the possibility of personal ; vio- I was obliged to resign him to the care of others. - During the day .the soldiers made a .sally from the castle a nd drove the Fellahs in to the lo wet par t of thexity ; and although they again retired and 3hut themselves.-.in, they kept up a constant firing rr-...-v .vui10, ,yui uuusv uciug iiear me casue we spent Monday and Toesdav Unmolested, lis tening, howreim to the breaking open of doors all arounu Us. j On j W ednesday, while at breakfast we heard them in the other part'of the house we oqeupied, in 'one Toom of which was Mr. Nicolay sos libraryi together yith several of our articles. Alter a few hours Mr. Nicolayson ventured over, determined to secure atjleast some of his most val uable papersj add if possibk brin away a chest of ours. :: He found the room broken open and nearly all his papcis gcine. All our articles left in that part of the house; were gene also,-except the. iron bedstead, vhieh5!as theytould not carry it away, they had broken to pieces.! Mr. Nicolayson load ed himself f with": what he -mosPvalued and: was returning, whence tSas ! called upon ; by - these armed Fellahs from below, and. ordered to stop. Assuming as. much confidence as he could, he de manded; what they wanted? "To butcher them all," was the reply. All who ? he asked. "Only the. nezzam'jsQldiers)hey said ; at the same lime assuring him that they intended no harm to the citizens, and charging the robbery upon some fel lows who had broken in, in the morning. -Though trom several circdms.tanees there was nodonbt but thatthey. were the perpetrators, and had the things at that time concealed below.- We were in their power, hower and prudence forbade us to press the point. They then requested permission to go over the hotise iTheirj first object was to see if we had amis, ammunition etc;, and the other to ascertain whether the walls would stand the can non of the castle, that they might make tur house their fort.' Beior satisfied on this subject, they dug port holes through the wall, and next morn ing began to fire upon the men in thecastle. V This .was quickly returned by-the soldiers with cannon and small arms. Arid now, dear sister, conceive outsituatipn. Exposed to the cannon of the cas tle before us, which was tearing to pieces our house already greatly shattered by the caithquake, whild the whole house and warden was fillnrl xrhK? a lawjless maltiiude of angry Fellahs. . Par ties1! were constantly bringing in their booty no our.-ar- den, giving fearful mdejc onhe 'werk of plunder I Nicolayson obtained pemiission to remove his library, .below, but found to 'his. gicat ' regret, that many of his most Valuable b'ooks were "gone riiany sets brokenand 'many wantonly cut up for wadding lot their gun-si' 11 valuable 'maps arid ns jwere all r'VncdJ' Being very much -v vrv. k wuig eiy. Hiucil tf.n 3ir ..n i ,J . :i"Z"?a&uJJ the house. :x ney am meir duty pret y.well One lunous b ellart rushed into the nart wherp ne wr and immediately drew his sword and wo-Ild have laid the poor dog dead at his feet, but for the en treaty of Mr. Nic9laysom :Ud then seized our ser vant oy tne collar and .was gem g to run him thro' uu preience oi neingnezzani. JJemg assltred that he was an Englbhman, and out servant,, he let himjgo, nd then left the house, taking with him ucu oi - my ciotnrs as he fancied. All this dav and night and greater part of the nest day, we were illy in the very din'of yaiVj We all stowed literal ourselves in at small lower were yery thick, and heard the cannon balis: whis tie over us and aroy nd us. r pne large ball entered tncdome of the little rnnm in "ihti wrrJon: rrrU I Slept, tore a large hole through, scattering: the u t i "iuriar;aii over tne place where I and the babe used to lay. At every discharge of the cannon from the fastle, the! Fellahs in the house would ; set up prodigious shout of defiance j and at stated periodtheynade signals to each other all over the catyuU j cannot tell ypu how this. unearth ly sOund fell tipori my prs. It was neither a yell, a shriek, or a shout, but a compound of all j and be ing prolonged while the voice Could sustain it, was unuttefrably terrific. "' I; . . - VP tnday mommg our guard had become so ex orbitant in their demands, -that we felt asgured- mat, unless reltet, should soon arrive, our purses at least would no longer be in our own power, A bout noon, however, their tone altered, arid we ob served that the numbers were decreasing jn the garden. . At four, o'clock Mr. Nicolayson heard some one say verV'hurriedlvr ' - ? : r . I . Here the letter, stops abruptly. an d'l will eadea v- vi wcouiinue me narrative. .:. The sentence should be finished I believe thus-'(say very hurriedly, They are coming, flee Wsoon as you "can." Mr. Nicd'avson went intA tKi rrartl single Fellah, and m a short time thf nU'witK. ' ...l." '!-' - .- . he-it--: f tit ' : ."THE E LD Ell S : TWELVE . PRATERS: Klder S . was a distiller, carried, on th e business largely, and supplied his neighbors with Ihegodd: creature?4;' At lengthone, and another, and another, became druhkards.squaridered iway. their property; ' and ' reduced their ' families to beggary and tvretchedneis. . Nevertkefes tli elder continued to supply thein" for the public good,'' and being n sober man, idiV'very xegu'-: hirly." r- By . and by one of his customers came to settle with him,iand oh settlement owed him 20; and yet Jiad nothing to py, und pothinar with which to supply his family with a rag of clothing or i rriorsel of brea"d.'I CHeJ arid they iiiciuny 4ifauiuiu iinu me Xiiuer inquired of himself, What has made thia man a drunkard anil Brought hiY&mOy. to cnivrly.arid yretclied- ness Conscience answered. vour whisks' ... . . . " ' I w ATTliTOttsriffiSWW jthrQa)rdfjtfdgrrlent?, sai me. rlder. 'Conscience replied, - You anrt spolce with a voice which thc'Elder couM not Knt iear. 1 He wehlawayfhcavy hearted ; and sorely1 pressed, as conscience continued to echo. Ybu Jniust answer at the day of judgment for makino- that man a drunkard,'- lie retired lo bed but hot to rest, or to sleep. '; tie got up, kneeled down arid prayed, and went again to bed f but obtained uu i ciiui. . iie goi up, Kncrcicu uoyn, ana prayc again, and retired, and so again and acain: till he had gotten up, prayed, confessed his sins, im plored mercy prayed for the man' and his family whom hejhad ruined, and laid down rid less than eleven times. !-jV!And his distress grew greater and greater. Not only that man, but one arid another and another, great nuinbersTvhom he had made drunkards, and for whose ruin he " must answer at thd day of judgment, rose up to his viewand iie v us wen nign overwneimea at tne conviction of nils guilt He rosrt and kneeled down the ticelflh tune before Cod, and not only confessed his jsitfa, but now for thcfir&t time resolved, with out delay, to forsake it. He promised before the Lord, that no j portion of his time or property should ever asftiri be erriployed in making that which tends to destroy, the bodies and souls of men. And he meant! what he said. He then laid dowrfand-slent till inornin?. Next mornincr he rose, cleared out his distillery "and said that no whiskey should ever; be made there again. He made known his determination to his children and his neighbors. ' One of them thought he had become too superstitious and offered' him for the use of his distillery 8500 a year, But he utterly refused, saying that none of his property shoulU ever agnm te empioyeo: by any body in that way. He held to hist resolution till bis de'atk. and tried to induce all Jo follow, his example.- ' With his children he was supeeasful, and numbers of therri before his deatii, wj?re hopefully made partakers of divine grace and heirs of the kingdom of God. The Elder appeared to live the life and die, the death of a penkent,; and has lately gone to give up his account to the Judge of the quick and the dead. There pie expected to meetwith numbers ylijorn his business had ruined, but as, during the time pf divine forbearance, he trusted that he had confessed and forsaken, his sins, he died, hoping for pardon through1 the boundless mercy of God in therHedeemer-i-5osoa Jte'c: - -r : ; ;v - : From the 'Millennial Itarbmjrer. B, MEREDlTlt OF'NORTn CAROLINA, 5 f t A-Uj i HE EXTRAS. ' l:'J'l ' ; ; H No.,!.; - "4 V The magnanimous proposition of Mr. McredWi, of the. North Carolina Baptist Interpreter, vol- Unteerinrae page for page, and line for line in his publication, on the contested propositions of the Extras in fltmission and tm Jiegetierution; de mands ray respectful acceptance.- Nothing short of this could have induced me to do more than notice in passing, his essays on the subject. , A dcsircfto let his reader? hea me, and my readers hear him, has induced rae to accept of his manly proposition. The proposition then, isThat he engages to republish my replies in his paper, and 1 promise to republish his, replies in the Aftltejuiial Harbin ger, ille has agreed to give me as much room in his paper as i give him in mine ; or, in other words that we are to have equal-rights in each other's periodicals. I ask! no ., m6re, . and will give as rnuchl , r, . ; j It is unnecessary for me to republish these'four teen essay s. as he di not republish the two E.vit a, and especially as we are now to discuss the mat ter fully. He has full liberty to make what use he pleases of all that ! have written, and I have the same liberty to use all that he has written as far as I think it expedient. But that my readers mav be fully prepared to': give" this gentleman a candid and attentive, hearing, I will now quote ..from 1 his last numbpr his own estimate of what he has done: Mr. Campbell here introduces three remarlt . r, " j,.,, it 1 n . : s . - , . . nas examinca, may, pernaps: startle the re.ifr n he may not ever have seen thZui. T in W rfmv writing 7 $presst in any C'i my wntmes. But for all this, 1 refer him to Mr; 'ffredith's - conclusion, 1 j, 4 -r n " . ui all iKJj'pil y auu d9 Udppuy,' CAUrCSSCa In the words following: "How. far we have been correct in stating, the propositions and arjrumenfc l of the-author, is now submitted to the. decision of the reader.7 Ip him, too 1 am willing to leaye it. But Mr. Meredith's propositions are stated in his own words. and therefore my readers' are in fair and fall possession of them. i " ' Nowr to narrow down the controversy to as few point3 as possible, and to show howi'much :Mr. Meredith ' has unfortunately misunderstood me, 1 will select suchi of his propositions as I cheertnliv f admit, and then: state those from which I dissent. r-On laith we are perfectly agreed. His proposi tion is, that 'ithe faith of the gospel is the belief of divine testimony, affecting both the understanding and the heartland necessatily including a prince pie of godliness--of true allegiance toUhe Great King -:- j.:- .v-i Utt .r.; -., Ar-.,it 5 My readers will hear met witness when I say that on thi proposition we are agreed. - I always contended for such a fait of the gospel as that which Mr. Meredith propounds. - On repentance, too, we are agreed. His defini tion is, that ffrepentance is sorrow' for sin invol ving a change of mind for the - better; inclu Jin"- a principle'of godliness, and ivfaUibbj 'tenditt'to reformation of life.11 Here there is no debate! ' On remission of sins we aie alsb ao-reed ! for His 'position is,Mhat remission of sins under the New Economy is, in some sense, connected with re pentance and baptism.,,! In this we are also cbrdi- aUagreeivW'fi-.v, fT.i- ;v; ,.... T H is deunition of conversion I akn turom . t.nt the philosophy attached to it is debateable. ; Uis definition is, that. "conversion is the iurning of the einaer in heart and life to God.. To ihic r . , . . jiuvu - V f3111 bM philosophy of this conversion "is uyuouui mr he. adds, 'L.iKe repentance, ; it is the Tirodurt ' nf "now' lifolt)io mtlAn .t..!'' creatuie."; !How' a "new creature" is to be con verted to God, or how' conversion can be -"the ac tion of a ' new: creature,' comes not 'within the sphere of. xny optics. My philosophy says a man exists before he acts,-and-the. c'tibri.'pf a new creature is not the action, of an old , creature and how a new r.reatnre an hc . eon rtt tn nj I leave to those nearer the sun for thn nrncAnV 1 1 . rUi justuication is Dy taun, ana thaf. the Holv I rv - "aa fiHjiiuuui.taieu ouiu ociore ana alter Immersion, are .also; propositions to which Pfind no difficulty ia assenting: '- 'What in' the name: of reason then the reader will ask. 'ha th fn essays been written aboat, sinco you are so well - agreed ?. Has Ml. Meredith con verted, you to nis viewsron.faithf repentance, remission of sins m connexion with baptism, conversion, justification . No conversion, courteous reader. See all 4 my .writings .from-the beginuin. .He has only ei 'riressed'm his own lnngvagewhat I have been tor a 1 many,yeai3;coptendipg, J- L . , kUan you, then rejoins tne inquisitive jcaun, findnotone piropositioh in all his propositions ex ceptionable V , Yes, 1 . can find on, or a piece of one, Or two, exceptionable ; and for One I select the following as most , exceptionafclej: and one -is enough for debate until it be fuliy dbcussed.-- Here, then, you have it: "That regeneration is the act by which new life is imparted . to the sin ner a product of the combined action of th word and the Spirit and the part-Dt of faith, repentance, and all other kindred affections.' . ' . ' ; On this proposition 1 will ofler a few remarks to the consideration of Mr. Meredith and the public, For thesakc of reference 1 shall number'them: 1. There is no sentence in the Bible that afiinns this proposition. Regeneration is no where affirm ed to be the act by which new life is imparted to the sinner. Mr. Meredith is then called on for, the text, the single text, that says so. Nor is there any sentence in the s-acred Scriptures that Says regene ration is :a product of the combined action of the word and the Spirit." Mr. Meredith .will please attend to this, and produce hisj divine authority for his allegata! Again we know not the f text, the solitary lexti" that affirms that 'regenpratiort is the parent of faith, repentance; and all other kindred affections.". Will Mr. Meredith please refer us- to a "thus aaith the IrtV for this? We know cf no Prophenor Apostle that sustains any part of this proposition. . It is therefore only a speculative, ab stract, and metaphysical view depending wholly" upon imagination or illogical; inference: we say illogical; for there is no saying her fact in the Bible from which it can be logieat'y iuferred. 2. It- appears to us inaccurate in lanuaffe: for there is no system of mental philosophy no sci-" encooi rainu no grammarian. logician, or rhetoii cian, that will allow us to call faith and repent ance affections of the mind. Mr. Meredith will please refer us to that philosopher, or sage, or di vinei that ranks faith' and. repentance amongst the aflections: and he. Will please 'name! the "other kindred affections" of, faith and repentance. This is a family into which I desire to be introduced I mean the other Uxndrul affections of faith and repentance.. - j -, ' . . ! 3. But if he should succeed in disposing of these difficulties, and in reconciling hie to the new theo ry of kindred affections, I have remaininff vet another difficulty. It may be called a philosophic, or, n any preiers it, a common sense dilnculty. It is this If regeneration be the "parent of faith and repentance," how shall we defend onrselves against those that reason in the following train : The parent is alwavs older 'tb'an th rhWA U first independent of the child, and datives ho nnrt of his existence-from the child. .lice then, being the parent of faith, is older jhan faith, independent of faith, and derives no kirt of iu jsfencc from faith 1 Then comes another. question" (for troubles seldom omc single) What has the' itord to do in this ra?e? It must act liVe n rhrm if it act at all ; for if it be bolicved' before regenera tion, then the child is older thart the parent; and' mis isa nneage mai neions DHittier to the niobn nor to our erth. But Mr. Mere'dith P3VK tli.Tl "riv. generation is the product (the child) of the com bined actionof the word and the,.$pirit. The word and the Spirit-are, then, the parents hf regenera tion, and regeneration is the parent dfaithV But if the word and the Spirit should happen to be le heved before regeneration, then faith is the parent and regeneration the child ! So thaf to complete Mr. Meiedith's theory . neither the rword nor the Spirit ought to be believjeil or can ba Wlieved be fore regeneration. , And so it comes to pass that a person jCnlcrs the kingdom of heaven as a ren-cne. rated unbeliever ! . i . ' . j On these difficulties ioui 'friend! Mr. .Meredith will throw as much light as possible. We would not impose a heavy burden upon his shoulders pt first, and therefore we shall at present offir but three objections to his'proposition or definition bf iidiTuoi ue a moral cause jand who ran affirm that it is.orcan be a physical cause of regeneration? All cf wbicn is most respectfully and benevolent ly submitted to the examination of our friend Mr Mvehh.-i:ditor Mil. liar i' Ui -- .. REMARKS. ' " In the above article Mr Campbill has evf dently given usmore credit than Ave merit.!" Urnn . v - l . - ---- v., vir ,v what authority he affirms that we engaged to pub-; lish his replies, in; the general zntf unlimited',. manner stated above, we havi? vet to lonrt A 11 lha t 'w hn rritton t, ..t.: . i -- ------ -Vvr yuuictu.Li, vv;u.ei- , J , aii ms icaueis, ana . leave theinJ without tear tS rmoi.n.. . duce tlieir own conclusicns. In the ! September number of the Interpreter may y be found the fol-j nwinnr'- " '-- .--.- -c - .mi f 1 t Some Inns m March or April last, armammimion . . j . Barnwell District, March &;h, 18il. ' Dear. Sir J . ; , ' ' . ! Py accident a No of the Bapfiflf Interpreter came our way," in No. 3 vol. 2, we find a piece, tbq cap tion of which' is CampbelliRDji Examined; towards the close of it ycu remark in refemnrfl to Mr. CixrflTiheU- tLatl'; Every man is bound by the rules, of argument to ! V- t ' I y "ua' evidence." Tosi farther remark" and as we are decidedly' unwiflin that tr.mh. so important should be trifkd with, or. thai evasions of any sort should be tolerated in ma;ters so sacred, we hereby respectfully call ' Upon the advo cates of ihc sentiments we oppose, either to stand up "to se .question end prrxluce the .requisite proof sach i.uui luepiain common sensed mankind .shall jMwtcvi rise leiraci meir posirio dially agree with you, and rejoice VJ i- v u MWMHn nis pos"toa belorc the publick and still raore pleased arc we, to see the reasons thus assigned. as we are decidedly unwiltimr that trnth Jbtjdd betrifled with, or that evasions Syor? IhSd be tolerated m matters so snrrrvt iUU I j 1 r- viXUll w m iqus puDiicKiy, generous that we arc pleased with the senUmenmo which we teL1?' We "Ainetoscyou the price 'of ?? and .Yon With vou in the Rsntisi Intr.r Ti .B8 r.age nf-rt A m may have an opportunity of jVdrii'- Sets of r qur " P3S 'as coble land manly sent inrcnt expressed by you 10 whoch we had occasion to lefer, we doubtnot bin what Sfflt,uau'11 mc-ct vilh Vcnr kppSbatiS- but shouldthosc noble sentiments vokt pretehea si to., send tnir money back; or in :hir - words - if yoa will not let Mr, C ampbeU be heard in Vour paper on c qual term?, thus proving the sincerity a?id truth of your declarauons, you will return the rhoniv, and lif ;you think proper, with'it, your reasons for so doihgj s j :--- i.yours, very respectfullr, ' ' if - I -WM.Jl. Ell WIN, v ! .... . M. M UOBERT, M ' ! ; 'V.. ' . :" 'JAMES D. ERWIX V I To this communication we returned the! fol lowing reply exclostno toe mosey in presence of a witness.0 rp(rnara:nin -i-hnh 7 . . i . i ?. J1?ve .P,ar? VCn before him vnumericalir ! i.ot , ,v.,,y iu uitrm irr oruer. wut t lie Jirst he will please remember is, that hi pro position is unauthorized by the Book of InW-'ra-ticn.. In the r covd place it is inaccurate in Iah- f ,n.ine ?lr' Pace it is most 'unphi losoph.c in thai i itassigns an inadequate-cause or rather , no moral cause, fora moml rtTet : for Is it uoi titrar as uay,mat it the Wnrrl rAt iv nnH i 11 ' aiuu me auinor tiTPfc iirw-wr, ...f...- L'w.;t.;:; cr "- accept. 'UL 1 itji 11 it vfnr 1' 1 . r vrm . 1 1 . - wiu Kive ivir. uamnDeillme lnr linn 1 rTnToh7Xlah'56ui7 Gextlemkv, '.' . I - , . Yourcommnnicalion of the 5th iasten blosing three dollars, ;has been received; and Uc j compliance with your request, I . proceed rrorapijl . " end your money bacla" My reason for so doing u found in the tact that the tkrms on which yon Lar proposed my retainicErrt areuch oditorlwk a proper sense of self-respect; or of what is due to kit- reade rs.and to the truth, can taioK, lor a nuiraent, of acceptine". If vou wih to take the Interpreter, .w.. willing to receive it oni the saTne terms a those which other subscribers receive iu I shall be pka&H tt supply you. flat I can assure you, that I vrili on n0 count, more especially for. a rtaxuav toKHinEEAT enter into any arrangement by which I hall surrtt!. der a particle of roy diicrctiua in the future traz' ment of ray paper.. r Respecting Mr. ' Campbell, I hare only ii Wri have commenced ao examiaatiuri-of om; of his wrj tings, with which, if Providence permir, I intend to piil ceeu : aid u l io not siauj Lis. sTituncnts aid afru meets correctly j il I inijrcpicscnt him in any raider or degree; if, in a word, 4 do not do hiia lull and aia.' pie justice either he or hii friends will be pcrmiitcd 0f" course, to correct the error in the Interpreter. M jre than this, Ho one who knows any thing about t-ditoal justice or editorial courtesy, will t Link clanking. True, I have called on the fricLds of Mr. Canir.bt irj theory to support or retract a iven position, bu; if by domS ihiv, l hayef4ited tclfiujilytheiaTriiV paper, inK, &x. fur tne und-Tiakiijc;, I. confess I hare yet to learn the nature and import of hngna o can I cor.ceive. gcnilcruen, if you viewed the rlartcr ia thatljht, why you rfiould Lc so very particular hx rfai ting acuiiduion which you uium havct,ns:i!ercd a tl4 ready fully, understood and demiitely .sen led This' much, however; I will say although I co'usider myielf under no sort of obligation beyond what I have'uvinJ tioned whenever I j-hall have reason to believe tLt t( is the wish of a majority ol my readers to sec Mr. Caiap-: lell have line for line andpaije for page wiih rae the Interpreter," their with, I presume, will be read;'n complied with. ;. ;.. As to your iuisinuation, geatkmenr that pay sicceriir aiid veracity woald be liable to impeachutnt or sui.f cipn, proviaeu l should not sc proper to comply wi;a your prorxwitioh, I hare no otlxr remark to make thaa that 1 hope, fo the sake of jvit Rood sene at IcaM. that you did not mkav what your words but tpo ilauilv indicate, If, under these circumstances, you should thuikpr. per to order the Interpitter,or to aid in its circulitioi you shall have mv .services and mv ih.-int-v ..' ' With much respect, Iaiis, im. V v V m. R. Erwix, ... M, M. Uoee.it, ' ? It is now frankly rubmittid, withont note or. W Kent,, to tke common vicusc ol acy'acd of everr rea der, to say which sidehaT.ihe bcirerclaiiu toclur veraeitycd chrtNjiuri uprightness. ( ;. The passage or' ca!J" alluded to. which is fJurd :n our second number. Int. vol. ii. i Every man is bound by the "rules of arginint to sustain Lis own position ;by adequate evidence. . Tht wuil- ?re f -"cd and we have appealed to me p,WI phJet fur the-procfth? author in the car; in 1 and hzi not done.' Here then the matter must inevitably rrr until Mmc one ontheoppos-itCM'de- Mr. C. orvr-if nisportizan? shall resume the, undertaking audad ducetherrquiwie s proof, , Ajcd as wc aredecideilij uu wiiimg that truth so lippt-rtint should be tri5jl w.-h or thai cyasion.s ef any Rrt shonld le tolerated ia m-t! ters so sacred- we herein- reypecifully call npon iheaJ- vecate io lli ru(N-tiin t.ifuin.. ik.. : ... fc i.,,j..u.-t r,;Q..r lu MiDJ u Pro I as u,e plain conirnoaeuse of mankind sJ.a!t .n. 4 ""vv wjc icuuimic proui such t. i i. .ii ujcui.M:ives io rue catifo of tni1 c uuuc uu navepcea misled. to hot ol their OWU. 'To em t . i-,-.'.!.. rfers we . . . . -sh'jrt, however. pian.at.J wiLhouMhe lea ' pi t- ,f Mr.CampbeJI conscientiou IStlSt S " ticc tahimHf. and ih? in irt i l.1,aiJ iv now tav al:l.ii-h ,n,r,', .- - i " . Jt - c uuve oui e oui 4i:ie lear ha iu-wiu!iiiS iud mucn ft onr I.r If L- n 1 1 -1 1 t!t.X,t r. -.11 1 . pair to use!'- dvtatc. ' coutcih, that. vauipoeu Stan nave " Jii e tor hue and page ivrp'ic It will ba obered here that our " calf rulatcd iio' to " pUion," nor to " que-stis but to S I rusmos then under immediate and special c Vj ft Won. I lusca Lu willl e observed firiher wa , Vi meet us; '-jbr coaideied arw -done uuh ihesubjecibuno MWa.a the sui-i rrof- , thwe cnn-erT.cd : and for th-.nne., ...rL. J , lt i us'inoarcolaam,: More than tiA we - For giving the above in full i ut-e i wo rca- . i. . ou; iae 1.1SI is, V.'C wish Mr. ders totcc the, refutation cf a charge brcu4t a gaiuM us toine months ago in the Hatbinr- thc second is, we arc desirous that they should kuov precisely how far we have obligated oursclvc to publish the author's, replies: The latter point vve dt-em important, not - because we are scrupulous touchmg the matter of pnblication ; but became we ihiak tnat all stipulations of the kind should be correctly underslo.d ; and because wc de-ire to vindicate ourselves from the iimdied in,ticrr..i:,. ol enga-mg to puliksh matter, from the ptn ofabt man, beiore knowing what it is to be. V - yur columns 'St Once From o"- luptrr wincn 4ir. Camvbll. has i.vkiKf' ed..mJ th. najr..i.. .j' . . . t.XUIt"lJ to impose, we havn r,nt n '.?,.u. , 5l 1 M id fiiid much, amusement hi thexbninlr.r.: nrr.tu t. f tnecontrorr;v .o , cocsijer Ihe ai!raiitaEVof cur i,,Z luty, however. ccmm-U and than any private gra.ihcatio of 0 Nei ther of these objects. we-iirfrnnfiSL?!?-!1: . cui iii in i. 1 1 i in i ir n-. . .t f.K.irn I 1. it ' - 1.V..UUCUI, huuju UV. , secared by. the prosecution of a controvert on th frnS !: Jof which Ticsent number Irom the 'Harbinger -forms a tm,n n,-. tnesc circumstances, Mr. Campbell . must excuse ihc noil-publicatiou of his is .numbers, unle th., covu more- vilhin the scope, of our promise unless, m other words.lhey bear uiorc directly up on the points at issue. Our principle objection to the present essay are the following: ; ' -. " h h h. dok not begin aithe right' place' Kn- mums 1U 1 OUT last tni-ntl.fr nrpnic Ulm m .i with a synopsis of propositions w hich had been considered at length in the body of the examina-. Hon and .then calls on us for . proof ; just as if we had convicted i oursel ves of the weakness of . at- tempting to maintain our positions without evi-! tlcnce V Surely Mr. Campbell must have known that this is not the manner in which 4 we treated him. And he certainly ought to have lenown'that this is not the way inwhich candor. gtxd secse and the laws of argument require that he sboold treat us. . Let him stand up to us as we have stood ' wP to him j Jet him state our positions as we have stated hislet him -give our arguments and our evidence as we hate given his'; and our ord for it, we shall mate n6x-orap!aint on this score. Lr , i d'no1. .touch the. subject at issues Ihc Tacts, of the-case are 'these -Mr. Cainp nell set forth his views irt.t wo Kxtraa we, in our . examination, called xhese views in quesiion Mr. Campbell claimed the privilege of self defence in our columns this privilege, so far as it respects his first had. main proposition, we have granted instead ol engaging m nenau ot tne pro position in question, or indeed of any, proposition Beyond ,ihe engagement alrea'dy inlide, we are as y?t, unauthorized to proceed: V.Vrn vi V ' ! , ! suit our own incllm-tum nn , K . . . !nntW:Mn,. " ""J'-'-S wt snouia. if rea- n. . la lhisw-e cor- ,;.u . . : rv "-"wJuoa juioio giving tohaveme nor 'an illustration of an? r tons oa . - j isrw luuiivumr re-
The Biblical Recorder (Raleigh, N.C.)
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