THE ASHEYILHE CITIZEN. THE WEATHER: FAIR. Associated Press :f Leased Wire Reports. VOL. XXVI. NO. 7 A8IIi:VILLE,NT.C, WEDNKSDAV MORNING, OCTOHKli 27, 11)09. riUCE FIVE CENTS KILLS HIS SISTERS IL THEIjiFESSES Brother's Hatred Culminates After Months of Plotting In Triple Murder ATTq "TED TO THROW .TIGERS OFF SCENT When Finally Cornered Plays Off Old Grudge as Part of His lnsanlly KANSAS CITY, Oct. 26. J.tmcs SIcMahon today confessed thai hi' murdered his sisters, Miss Knse Mc Mahon and Mrs. Alonzo Viin ltnyen aim the hitter's husband, Alonzo Vim 1 Joy on on a farm near Kansas City. Ki.nsas, last Tuesday. A Innir stand ing family quarrel caused tin' trag edy. McMahon ' killed Van ltnyen In a wood and later went to the Van Kcyen home and shot his sisters. Fearing mob violence by a throng that gathered ahout the county jail afler the confession became known, the sheriff rushed the murderer an.! lis brother. Patriek McMahon. and Patrick Lamb, a farmhand, who arr held as witnesses, to the penitentiary nt Lansing tnnlpht in automobiles. MeMahon's inability to keep hi;' (fecret eaused his arrest. He told a friend today where he had hidden a reolver with which he did the kill iliK, and several articles he toi k from the Van Rnyen home. As Sheriff Becker was preparing to arrest James McMahon, the latter valked Into his office and announce. 1 he was ready to help work on the case as he had been doing each day s'nce the tragedy. Cold Wooded Confession. Sheriff Becker Immediately arrest ed him. Prosecutor Tagitart and Sheriff Becker sweated McMahon for two hours. Then McMahon : onfess cd all. 'Yes, I killed my two sisters and brother-in-law and T was crazy when I did It," he shouted, rising out of his -heir and pacing the room. "It tool, m( three months to plan and execute the crime. I waited until I knew my Intended victims would be in the ' right positions for me to kili them and get away. On Tuesday Rose went to visit at Van Royens and I. on ,v nt o the woods. 1 found him ."".nd shot him In the head, lie fell and I lired six shots into his back. I alw.iv.n hated him. "Then I walked into the house and (Continued on naire four ) E Whole St.'itcs IVii.-tica Depopulated by Wains and (.'loudliui'sts. II v HUNDREDS UO.MKId.SS MEXICO CITY, Oct. :: -An esti mated loss of live millions of pesos in cluding crops and line hardwoods, two lives known to be lost and maiiv olhers, it is feared sacriliced in the floods, hundreds of homes were wash ed away and thousands of head of cattle were drowned are the known results of the disastrous cloud hurst and storm that broke omt the state of Tabasco yesterday. following twenty-one days of Incessant rain all over this region. Itivers are out of their banks, towns are Inundated, thousands arc homeless and no rel! I Is yet in sight. Krom north to south. extending across the state from the Mosealpa and' the Orijaha rivers, which lake the two names after forking mar lluinaguilto to the banks of tin- lla nmacinta. which for a short distance marks the boundary between Chiapas and Guatemala,, the entire country is a total waste, only the high mountain villages and plateau farms escaped from the terrific onslaught of the waters. Five hundred families are homeless in the city of Atasta alone, other cities and towns inundated are Mnin uguilto. Tenosi.u.'. Jalaps. Tlicoial pam, Tlapa. Santa Rosa and a num ber of smaller villages along the M. s calpa river, while the south border of the state of Jonuta. Balaeana. Car men. Palisada, and Santa Rita in the valley of the t'sumacinta river are badly damaged as the result of the flood. A total of thirty-two and a half Inches of water has fallen in the state in three weeks, whiih Is the record for water fall in thirty-two years A large part of the lower sec tion of San Juim Bautlsta is muter water. The barrio of Santa Cruz has been totally depopulated-and the wa ter is three and four feet deep in many homes. N COLD BLOOD AND W ATKINS RELATES HIS STORY OF THE BLA CKMT. TRA GED Declares he Fired Only After Boia Men Had Attacked Him And Brought Him Down to His Knees Evidence at Variance. Yesterday's trial of the F. C. Wat kins cast' proceeded rapidly and at the time of adjournment the two ne urit witnesses, ISurlcy Cowan and i ''em. Jones, w ho accompanied Wat 1 ins to the room where he shot John Mil Bunting, had been examined and cross examined, Wat kins' state ir.cnt in his own behalf was closed and much of his crops examination lin- ishi d. Cowan and Jones, employes of the hotel at the time of the killing, An rliul 7lh shot' lie after midnight of thi sixth, appeared not to be ahaken in their testimony despite a stilt cross examination by Mr. Craig The feat ure of their statements tic'n ; their pi sitivc declarations that it was Col lins who was first shot and not Uunt- iug, as Collins had testified. A disinterested witness, linvle. representative of The W. 1". Citizen. v. ay called to testify is to statementsi made by after th the two darkies on Sunday shooting, the state's par- ppose of showing had said when the vi re fresh in their testimony of Jones Cowan was marked by what they tragic events minds. The and Oownn much tinoon- si ieiis humor. Join Insixtlm; that 'l pi i' lor Manly had told him that .mini.- ahd Collins had be. n using 'Very broken language" and fre l....niiv iisim.- the Itiblical expression t-irled" Possibly the use of the word was due t.. the fa. t tint h h. .1 the night of the shooting at'. lined a i .,.ctini- where he had ueiiuir- . , ,1 a revolver which h d sp. iters to ......,,.. th,' church was a Inirch mil took the i.i! rested Kant. The defendant prompt! w'tness Staml when the si. I. i i i.u statement of "i ooeiir- 1 rer.ee. He was subletted to a severe doss examination o.v - Jones but his assured manner did not desert him. Prodded by the ones- . . u rtv Owed the tians of Judge joue - : t-onbles he had experlene d, th .unding el'ht by 1 of oS..linir and i.i...,..ir or another eonvh t ., ilcelng negro convict : go, his shooting and -.t f.laek Mountain. Some eu!S loumtin -'. "f bis shooting . i,ui!,if. ,,r n negro whom li H.tol .-., Irving to break into r.i.u k Mountain and his liis house at ciiltin-r of n nan named l.cdbetti ho ,VH head STftNDSBY BIGAMIST IN SPUE OF HIS CRIMES UD DISL01TYT0 HER (icl.lianlt 's W i IV Test i lies on Stand to His I'lid'orm Kindness. SHOWS N EMOTION. NKW Y' . I, h. ir.lt. ; I solutely .RK. ''et. HI ,H;iH ' tto Mll. ller el III' HI--, no emotion, told .at 'h" .roller s in.pil'St t iHlip. I- I to'laV. how he murdered Anna Bather, the Cernia'n girl whom he l.ig-tm-fsry married, in a clump ot Bong Island woodland a year ago last April. Uter having confessed fullv to the r.,rriVr vestel-dav. it was no surprise vlon he took stolidly ri peal the stand d that h. t.vl 111 the niurdertr. C.il.d til.' ',, l ie, t.-d Before testif yin-r a ' ' - usual legal warnin-. but nevertheless I" t'-'l hi" St ' TV. 1 nown AS lie testified, hlS Ol ier 1 as Mrs. Cebhardt. a. en. a- no bv lo r two children sat n Slv inid preiloosly gone on the her two children sn I n--ni 1-111.1 ird testified to her husbands' g'-n good character and his kind mint or tor. for sh" ts r-n lo-.-al to him desi'ite bis ronf-s t)-' - n . n , ,-in.e and the fact that rn.-TTi the Blither girl. Cebhardt testified that he had shot the trlrl twice, and then fled ."ml re turned to his home at Astori I- I. the name home at which hi was rested on Sunday night. IB- s: had not gone again to th.- . of the murder until a few ; 1-i-i.m he took a woman th'-re i vf r some land which he hop s.-l' h-T. His brazen attitude eoonr.nt fearlessness at that .1 lie 5r.it v d to and time u-;:s indicated wh'-n he said today that i this visit he was accompapni- d by lu first wife. Although he knew that the Buther girl's bones were ly ing not far away, he conducted the party about the vicinity with no show if terror. MCHT RinFUS ACTIVK. Ht'NTINCTOX. W. Va.. t 26. The first outbreak of night riders in S-iuthw. stern West Virginia for more than a year occurred last niiiht in the Fastern part of Cabell county. The large tobacco barn of Kverett Blnke. intitainiiiK tohaeio n us burn -.1 ot a crowd seeking to initiate him by tiie pleasing process of "pressing" him. Court Opens. The first witness was if 11. Thomp son, of llillsboro, who testified 'o the gotxl character of Witness p. c. Col 'lir.r. He was folhwt-d by Burl 'y Cowan, the negro potter who testi fied that when he came from church about 1 o'clock he went to his room some 20 steps from the hotel ..nd had i,e. n there ahout 20 minutes, hearing no noise when Proprietor Manly cnll ( 1 for Clem Jones and when lie l iJ not respond told witness to get t'on siablc Watklns. Witness -said that he met Jones and the two waked at kins who asking what the trouble was Witness told him he was wantetl to r;ulet a disturbance at the hotel. When lluy reai h. il the hotel they met Man ly v.ho told Watklns to restore pence Witness said he heard no noise as Buy approached the hotel, but Mrs Woodruff put lo r head out of a win cow and called to "Hurry up." as They are in the hall now." In the II upstairs they saw no one except Mrs. l.inville and went first to room 17 and then to 19 where the officer knocked. Some one Inside asked Who's (hat." and Watklns replied a policeman." The officer entered. lighting u match and when It went out told Clem to make a light. he officer asked the two . . I . . . .. - , I... men who were sitting fide of the bed wliat all me fuss was about, to which one ol them replied that there was no iu". that thev were lust talking. I he ot her told them to g. f back In bed In loud tone. Collins, who was m - in., to get Bunting t' i u. with his hand extended as he talked the officer, the pistol tired and the licllt went out. The men iv.ie . . I....I, tli of- mi.king any moie ... .. i - , rr Collins, who was shot llrst leu nek that his foot closed the door ml witness was shut out In the hall. . .. .1 t),.nllnn lie heard a second snot ami n.. eyclalm, "My Cod, lie s "oi toe the stomach." Cross Kxamlnntlon. On cross examination witness said ...... i 1 .l,l thn lha t he was trli.-nienen i ,,-, -as mar as I could direct i : I,..n II WaS SUff- n yscll , t nts iieiot; - girted that his statement to int - ni r lid not corresponit in ino - what testified In court. num- (Continued from paitc FftlHER RECONCILED IT HER ALIENATION SUIT Sen. (iazain Declares He I las Ween Katfer for Ain-ii-alile Relations. WILL WAS IN Till' WAV PIIII.AItKBI'lll.l oneiliation between Bh.abetll Ca.zam. i i. t A n c Miss Aiitionelte defendant in 1 1 1 - sensational alienation suit brought by Mrs. Marshall Clark, wife of "Nihlo," the mystic, and Miss Cazzam's aged father is about accomplished. Father anil daughter have been estranged since the former was divorced by Miss Cazzam's mother. Win n the h iress of Storrn King Mount i in returned to her home in Cornwall a fen- days ago after a fort meht's mvsterioiiH abs'-ne.-, friends ao' pt. il the r. port that she hsd be.-n so-oiiriiing in pliila.b Iphla. where her lather, former State Senator Joseph M Oazzam. was in daily rommunlea t i.o with her. 'I o friends and relatives the Impor ts of the re. on. illation : ershad i.us the alienation suit for the mo ni. nt If accomplished It will defeat the dying wish of Miss Cazzam's mother. This was expressed in Mrs i ', , i zz'fm's will as follows: "I most solemnly charge and direct rny executor and the guardian of my hi loved daughter. Antoinette Kliza b'th. that they guard and protect my daughter from coming at ane time or in any manner under the care of or within the influence of or into person al or social contact with her f.'hcr. Joseph M. Cazzam This mandate was implicit!- obeyed, although Miss Cazzam is known to have felt keenely the determination of her mother to exile her fnrrt a father's love. Senator Oazzam was ect ready to welcome his ct-ihl. Senator Cazzam Is one of th" leid Ing business men of Phliad-lphi i. vh're his second wife 'is a leader in scrb'ty. They have a beautiful co'.n try home near Blltmorr. the Vander b'.lt estate tn North Carolina. Senator Oazzam granted an Inter view today to a World repor'er in which he removed all doubt as to hl (Continued on ns sin.) i yw wLs s T A GREAT COMMONER OF JAPAN IS . ASSASSINATED BY KOREAN FANA TIC Shot Down in Railway Station as He Was on His Way to Settlo Differences Between His Country and China. All Mikado's Realm is Mourning for His Death. IIAIiHBV, Oct. :'. Prineo Hlrobu ml Ito, former Japanese, prosldcnt getieral of Korea and probably Jti-. pun's foremost statesman, wag assas sinated at the Tsaits.igan railway ta thm here today. At tho moment the Japanese diplomat was acknowledg ing the noisy welcome that had greet ed him a8 he stepped down from the coach lhat he bad occupied In tho railroad train. Smiling and bowing he turned to make his way toward the Bussiau finance minister, M. Kukov stiff, who was awaiting him on tho station platform a few paces distant. Suddenly a half dozen revolver shots fired In quick succession wera heard, followed bjr the cries of those standing near tho prince who had either been wounded or imagined themselves to be At the second report Prince Ito staggered and fell faint -ItiK. It was subsequently found that he had received Ihren bullet wounds, two of which . ntered tho abdomen. Prince Ito did not regain conscious ness and died twenty minutes later. Others Wounded. The fusllade of shofs threw the crowd Into a. panic, anil It was some time before It could be determined who beside tic prtnee had suffered. When the ex. it. inent had somewhat subsided it was found that three other members of the party on the pint -form had he. n injured. Prince llos private secrctaiv received a bullet wound as did Japanese Consul Oeu cral Kawakati and Ocneral Manager Tanaka, of lie South Mant hurian railway, win. had moved closer to the prince as the firing began. It Is thought that these Ihrce arc not mor tally wounded. ssa--in Defiant. i in- per jn-i i a ' . r of (he nufrage was WITNESSES TESTIFY TO THREATS BY SANDERS Say lie Nai'l Sonic Sliootintf Had tit l!c Done Around Newport. BKAI'I'I'l!'! iiniony intern! N ('., Hi t '! I to prove that H J I with the murder of . mayor of Newport, '. ned to shoot N'ew- Zanders, cliarr- II. J N'ewben thi.'l Stale, thi. hi rry, was gi i state in his 1 1 i . ' in the vin wilhoSScH tfhti';. Hi;. I "no d , by witnesses ror th 1 here today. ng of tho shooting I that Handers said man would appear In m to prison ." .a on a county road, s testified, toll) the court to sern! I Meeting a m. nders witn. v- ;nrin about "th ugs" getting "hot" around NewpoM and that, some stioot -tng had to be done, and that Newberry was not going t" appear against him. Th rents against Newberry's life were nu de by Sanders, It was testified, be cause the form' r tried to put the "'blind tigers" out of business. wm WASHINGTON. Oct. 26. Forecast for North Carolina: Fair Wednesday and Thursday, warmer Wednesday; moderate south west to west wlnnd. Postseason Is On. Iti nnrjrjr ffl zX WRECKOFSTEAMEfi not hard to locato as ha stood de fiantly In tho crowd, revolvor In hand. Me proved to be a Korean, and with two companions of the same nation ality, boasted of a conspiracy to talcs the Ilfo of the former president-general of Korea In satisfaction for th alleged tyranny of the prince over the Koreans. V As the police pounced upon the three Koreans, the one who did the shooting exclaimed dramatically; . "I come to Harbin for the sole purpose of assassinating Prince Ito to avenge my country." , : i None of the three Koreans, 'at tempted to escape. The assassin Jitter admitted that h hilar & personal grudge against the Japaneso states man, who. while resident prlnco-gen-eral In Korea had caused the exe cution of several of his friends. It had been supposed that the po lice protection for tho prince was ad eitiatn but the police stated later that I hey were unable to distinguish tho Koreans among the many Japanese who had been admitted to the rail way station to welcome tho prince. The Kusslan police, stated that Ju lian's i hnsiil-genenil Kawakan had leiiucstcd them to permit entrance to the station of all Japanese who sought admission. Very soon after Hie body of Prince lio v as made ready for removal home, and placed upon u railroad Irani. Tin- casket was covered with flowers and In otfier ways the sorrow of the official and public life was maiiiesfted. Hiul Come for Conference. Prince Ito had come to llurhln to meet M. KokovKoff, the Kiisslan min ister of finance, for what was believed an Important conference. The confer Has liaise Attend Spite of ( Nuiiiter 1 ion of ( 'iivu.s. illiee in Attrae- CMAKI.OTTE, N. C, Oct. 2l l)e- ej.it- the counter uiiraction or tiar tinm and I'.niley'H circus, Mecklenburg . aunty's fair. whleh opened this morning, proved a strong drawing ' ; rd for several thousand p'-oplo. I.e. al en I huslasf lot declared t tin t the . pening day was featured with the i.-rgest attendance In the history of the fair association. Mr. Kdgar B. Moore, formerly of Asheville, has sev . ral entries In the stock and poultry ci,iMes and is picked as an easy win ner of first, premiums. ixsi ; ui:ci;t v i :hsiu r, NKW VoliK. Oct. 25.--liidgi. Ui combe tt.day grantitl an ord. r in re tard to the reorganization of the Seaboard Air Line railway, directing all receivers Indebtedness he called for payment 'in November 1 and that th.- property and business of the com pany in the hunh of fc. I. Warfield P. P. William ami fi. C Duncan, re-c.-i',er, he turned .v.n to the custody of the company at midnight, Novem ber 4. THAW USliS APPFAf;. AU3ANV. N. . Y, Oat. 2fl. Harry K. Thaw's contention that he Was II-l-gslly coaimltted to the Mattiawan stete hospital for the criminal ln ane following his acquittal on the ehcrge of murdering Stanford White In New York City, was overruled to- y by the Court of Appeals. ence was suggested by Prince Ito In bis capacity as prcaident of th prtvy council of Japan. The eubject to be discussed wore not definitely known to the public, but they were supposed to concern affair of admin istration In WarrchuruC Kokovsoff had before declined an Invitation to visit fit Pan for such a conference and Her Wit was agreed upon "ft a meeting Place. In accepting the Invitation the RusHltii) minister wll , that . political questions : must be. barred'., h fya cplnpetent, onlj,",. dlctt,flnanclal and; technical aabjocW ttysih eoneern. ing, the Wtu the Matichurtan railroad. Hn cohrtrefloe ,ad M announced widely In advance and It was generally knowa when the- di plomats would reach Harbin. , Had Jroat Mlwdon. Prior to his departure Prince Ito said to Tho Associated Press: "I am going on my own Initiative with tho approval of my emperor, with tho hope of securing a batter understanding with China and, of as suring the world that Japan's Inten tions In Manchuria arc amicable to ChUin, and friendly to the commerce of all nations. When I return I hope to give positive evidence of this." Undoubtedly Prlncn Ito Intended to Inaugurate and enforce a distinct policy In Manchuria but tho exact nature of thi ws not disclosed. Maniuls Katsura, tho premier and minister of finance, after tho assas sination, said In an Interview: "Tho deiith of Prinrn Ito will not changn tho policies .,f Japan. The pacific, mol Ives of Prince dto will ever he maintained anil the traditions (Continued on pngn four,) BUTLER APPEAL HEARD IN THE SUPREME COURT Famous Libel Suit Keaelies ltn Lust StitfH in the Con its of the State. HAMCIOII, N. C Oct. :. In tho Ktipreuto court today the appeal of Kx-t fulled Htates Senator Marion llut ler and brother, Lester Ilutler, editor of Tho CaucaKlan from the sentence In tlnllford county Hiipi rlor court of $r00 and $21,0 fines each for criminal libel .f Kpcticer It, Ailkims, w,,s heard and the case taken uivl.'r considera tion. The libel consisted -if publica tions Impeaching Ex-Judge Adams' official and personal acts, while Chief Justice of the Choctaw-ChlcHHM w cl tlwnship court, of Indian Territory, the publications being in the heat of a political conflict within tho repub lican ranks, Adams belnx republican stato chairman. The arguments for tho Itutlers were were by by Ex-Oov ('has. If. Aycock, Kx-Judirc It. W. Winston and Rx Judce K. W. Wlnjfton ujid Kx-Judge W. 8. O. It. Robinson. For the state and Judge Adams, prosecuting the cas against the But lers, were Major Chas. M. Htcdman, It. C. Htrudwlrk, and Attorney Gener al T. W. Blckett. ftTREf. COMMOX DIVIDENP NEW YOtlK, Oct, 26. The di rector of the United States flteel corporation today declared a quar Urlr dividend of one per cent, on the conwion stock. This ia an Increase of a quarter per cent, over the pre vious quarter, The usual dividend oft 1 3-4 per cent, was declared on the present outlook this mill will con preferred stock. t'nue to operate i!.i full time. . HestlaGoeson Rooks In Heavy Gale With Forty Odd : Souls Aboard ONLY SIX ARE KNOWN TO HAVE BEEN SAVED Steered on Reef Through Mis take In Lights While Storm) Was at Its Height ' ! KASTI'oin, Maine, Oct. 2, -The Xoith Atlantic' annuiil toll of lives and vessel received tl , llrst tithe of tho winter etuton frtim It tributary -the Hay of Fundy-Atndiiy U thn loss of at least a score-' of wmls and the destruction on ' k nliotil Itmldo of Old Proprietor' Ledge off Seal n,, Onmd Manan, of the Donaldson line steamer Ileatla,, bound 'from Glasgow for, 8t. .Jphn and llajtlmors. Foir tno viotim--young scotch Indies, were passenger ot the lll-fatsd ticmcr, and the other wore mem- berr of the crew, -Captain 'Newman and twenty or' more member of the crew wero last seen this mormnq !n-tv ship' boat Which a.' being tossed on a tormjr e,Y'- ,. Cling to Wreck. Of the forty person i who were aboard the temer wticm he plied up nn the shea I t 1 o'clock thi mora Ing, ony aix ara-positively known to have been avi They were forond to cling to the wreck, ahlftlng th-lr precarious positions .often a thn steo mer was tossed by the great seas. If waa not until l-Pi.mi totlny that lift' a vera were able to r man their' boat and reach the.trandej vosoel. W hen rescued th survlvoa were In. a weakened, state afto their, fourtueit hour ordeal, ... . Those known to ,be . saved are: Third. Mate tUflwart. Hecond Kiurtnecr Morgan, and seamen Keen, MrKenxie, Smith, and MeVlokal;. , . . MlHtak lit l ights. . ' .Xi heavy northeasterly gnli I be. lved to have, been responsible for the fTestla'r lata although' ft I sup posed that a mistake of the miin nt tbdheer rn believing th fleam f the lighthouse in Maohla Seal Island, several mile southwest, carried the ship many miles off her course. Tho sailors of the middle watch had been out of their bunk an hour, and all others except the navigating ofllcer were stowed In bunk or ham mock when the crash came an hour nfter midnight In th belief that tiel was leaving Orantf Manun on the port tuck, and following 4h usual coiirn t to Ht. John, the navigating ollh'cr sought the distinguishing marjpi of that route, But they were not to bo seen. Instead the. steamer ws head ing for flettl Cove, over seas whlcn barely covered a treacherous bottom , f shoals. It was on una of these,. Just Inside old Proprietor's huAut that the vessel's nose became Impaled. COTTON MILL CLOSING NOT SO GEHERALAS WAS AT FliSTANTICIPATEO me Some Will Reduce their Out put by Cutting Down Hours. UNION Mil A j SOLID. ATLANTA, Oct. 2fl. At H meet Inn here today of the Oeorgla Indus trial association, attended by promi nent cotton mill men from all part of tho stato, It was decided to curtail production by reducing th operating time of the cotton mills of the state twenty-five per cent. This action af reets 10 mills. It wa declared Unit tie mills face critical conditions In view of tho wldo difference In the prices of raw and manufactured cot ton. For two months or ionirer the mills will operate on three fourths tune, tho curtailment to continue af ter January 1, provided the price Of cotton goods does hot advance' to a pi Int where tie mllln, can operate, without sustaining a loss. XO SUIT DOWN 1IFRK. I'NION, 8. C, Oct. 28. With their products sold ahead for several months at least, It was denied today that the nine cotton mills of this, county will c lose down on account of tin present htxh price of cotton. All the plants, with the exception of the Lock hart mills, which are closed for this week only, will contlnuo to run on full time, probably until the first of tho year. WITRE.VS. 8, C. Oct. .-Hegln-nlng November 1 the Watt cotton mill of this city, J3.00O pndles, will Inaugurate a program of curtailment of production- by- closing-bne day in vich week. The management of the I Atrrens mill state that from the J