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TRI -WEEKLY AND WEEKLY IJY THE
ERA PUBLISHING COMPANY.
llntva uf !Slll;e:r-illioil 1
Thi-Weekly One vear, in advance, $3 00 ;
G months, in advance, 1! 00 S
3 months, in advencc, 1 00 j
1 month, in advance, Z0 !
Weekly One vear. in advance, l "0
Six months, in advance.
At the request of Mr. Erwin, we an- j
iiouikt that his connection with this
pajer, as oneof its Editors, censes to- ,
Amnksty. The Neic York Timet, ,
the leading Republican paper of the j
l-:uiire State, and a strong supporter j
of President Grant's administration, j
-!ys that Congress cannot do better;
than to immediately embody in a law
the suggestions of the President regard
A New Weekly pair,' to be called
77tc Ttibttceo Plant, is to be started at
Durham, X. C, on the 3rd of January, j
devoted to the interests jf the growers'!
and manufacturer's of tobacco. Sub- !
seription price $1.50 r ; annum. Ad- j
Urcss C. Ii. (Jreen, Editor and Pro-j
prictor. . i
Opo.m: thin" all must be convinced j
by this time. Fraud and corruption
lire not confined to the Republican
i.artv alone, even in North Carolina.
Many prominent democrats, besides j
the Public Printer, have been impli
cated, and more will bo 'when the re- j
port of the Fraud Committee, consist-
ing of Mossrs. Shipp, liatchclor and
Martin, is published. The cause is to
be found in the demoralization of the
titiwi: mr.ro tb:in nnylhinir else. The
Republican party of the nation can j
rifely challenge a tompari-on with its j
rival or any party that ever had con
trol of the government for so long a pe- ,
riod, in the honesty and integrity of ;
it- administration. " " !
31k. Lkiiman's SiKi:(Tr. Don't fail
to mid the remarks of Senator Lehman,
of Craven, on the public debt. Tliey
will N' found on our fourth page. Mr.
Ia hman is one of the ajdet and let
men in the Legislature, j Jle is also a
line lawyer, and Ihs views of the sub
ject lie is discu--ingare entitled togreat
weight. To our mind, his iosit ions are
correct, and his joints well taken. We
think hi- views will prevail. We have
no fears that the present Legislature
will levy a tax to pay the interest on
the public debt, or any portion of it.
Read also the remarks of Senator
King, on the bill proposing amend
ments to the Constitution.
Tin; Skxtixki. of Tuesday is still
ringing the charge of Republican per
secution of (Jen. Leach. It says that
-nearly every member of the party sus
tains Vol. Henderson. Assuming that
Henderson's object was the exposure of
a prominent Ku Klirx leader, sup
pose they do, don't they do right ? That
Henderson bilieved that Leach had
leen a memler of the Ku Klux Klan
there ran be no doubt whatever, and he
was right in willing to scv him exposed,
if he was. We know the fact that
there are those who still believe that
Loach was a member, and that he joined
to secure the nomination to Congress.
Having given Leach a fair hearing in
these columns we turn his defense over
to TieS iifini f. What about the public,
Tin: EniToi: or The Skxtimil falls
back uon his character for integrity as
a defen.-e against the charges that are
made against him. Why has he not
thought of this before? ! It would have
saved him the trouble of a trip to
Columbia it may save him several
hereafter. And we hope that, since he
has discovend that character is a.Ue-ft-nse
against assaults, .affecting men's
integrity, he will see the necessity of
ceasing such assaults Uipon others,
who have always sustained a character
high alx)ve any he can lay claim rto.
For every body knows that, without
the shadow of proof, he lias assailed the
motives and integrity j of gentlemen
whose boots he is unworthy to black.
Their characters have protected them
against the shafts of his calumny. Will
he And his own character an equal
protection? Can lie make the people
Ulieve that he is pure alove the reach
of testimony that woidd crush other
Tun err. lac have henrd the cry of
LittlelU Id's corruption,1 until they be
gan to suppose that it came from a
un-e above reproach. They haveU-en
told that Tin: Kka was published in
an office erected 'from his plunder.
Rut he who told them so has never
told them that The Sentinel was pur
chase by money obtained from the on
ly man in the State whose reputation
fir curruption .surpassed" that of Little
field. He has failed to tell them that
Swepson subsequently loaned the edi
tor of that paier $.,00U, for which he
asked and took no security. And he
will fail to tell them now that the edi
tor of that paper has received several
thousand dollars from the State Treas
ury, the fruits of as foul a fraud as Lit
tletieldwas ever guilty of. He will
fail to denounce that fraud. Having
denounced all the frauds of Littlcfield
and company, we now denounce the
present fraud by which the editor of
The Sentinel, or his agents, drew from
the Treasury several thousand dollars
of the people's money, to which he had
no more right than Swepson and Lit
tlcfield had to their ill-gotten gains.
It may be said that the State will be
saved'harmlcss in the end, but this ia no
defense. I le tiever would have refund
ed, or accounted for it, if not compelled.
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Vol 1. , ; RALEIGH, N. C, THURSDAY, DECEMBER 21, 1871. j No. 29.
, -witMlHIII HIW HI HI WJ ' U-iMnirrlHIl M t lIF I II 11 I ll' I " 3 '
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THE PRINTING FRAUD.
Evidence taken before the
Fra u d Com m ission (Messrs
Shipp, Martin and Batch
el or) on the subject of the
Pa blia Prin ting.
IIo.v. Josiaii Ti'kxkr, appeared be
fore the Commission, and subn itted
the following statement, which was
sworn to and subscribed before the
Q. What do you know about the'
State printing? A. I have no' poeti
cal knowledge of the business of print
ing. When the State Printing was to
be put out, I requested my Associate
Editor, Mr. J. II. Moore, to bid for the
same for The Sentinel, in his name,' He
did so, and gave bond to execute the
same. I relied upon Mr. Moore's Judg
ment aliout the contract. Mr. Moore
severed his connection with The )Senti
net soon after the contract was entered
into. Mr. JbhiW. Marconi, the fore
man in The SoHinel office, measured
the work, which was approved by the
printers appointed by the Auditor of
the State, as I understood. 1 did not
know until recently how the work was
measured, nor did I know the differ
ence between in and em euad. (The
liookkeeper of The Sentinel, Mr. Theo.
X. Ramsay, has received about $10,
:..1)1. 1 am not cognizant of any
fraud or cheat in the matter, nor do I
believe there has been any.
Josiaii Turxeu, Jit.
Sworn to and subscribed before the
J. (J. Maiitix, Commissioner.
Mk. Joiix XunoLs was examined,
ami testified :
Q. What is your occupation? iA. I
am a printer one of the firm of Xichols
fc Ciorman, Rook and Job Printers, in
the city of Raleigh.
Q. Do you kuow anything of the con
tract for the public printing for the year
lsTc'Tl? A. Nothing at all.
Q. Are you acquainted with the rules
of counting printed work, and what is
the difference between the various
modes of computation, to-wit,; by the
letter in, the em quad, and the cap. 31?
A. I am acquainted with what 1 have
always understood to be the mode of
measuring printing matter, viz : by the
em quad., that is, a square of the type
in which the matter is printed, i The
difference between the lower case m,
the cap. M, and the em quad., will vary
according to the types all types not
being made by the same standard. In
the tvpe usuallv used in our office for
the Public Printing, 1 think the differ
ence is about one-filth as between the
lower case m and the em quad.," when
the letter in is counted one way only.
If counted both ways, I think the dif
ference would be from one-fourth, to
one-third. I have examined a page of
the laws, in the presence of the Com
mission, and find the width of the page,
to be .'U ems by the lower case letter m,
and 2-11 em quad, and the length to be
G2 ems bv the letter m and ol ems by
the em q'uad., making the number of
ems in each page, if counted both ways
bv the letter m to.be 1,92; if counted
by the em'quad. to be 1,300 ems that
is for the large print, not including the
side notes. The regular price paid to
printer here is Ty) cents per thousand
ems, counted by the em quad. !
Q. Were vou a bidder for the Public
Printing at 'the iast session of the Leg
islature? A. My recollection is that a
committee was appointed to contract
for the Public Printing, and no bid was
invited from us. We would have bid
for the work, had an opportunity! been
offered. , ! .
Q. Do you know what was parti to
the Public Printer, previous to the year
1S70? A. I have understood it to be
one dollar per thousand ems. 1
Sworn to and subscribed before the
Mn. J. II. Muokk, appeared before
the Commission, and submitted the
following statement in writing, which
was duly-sworn to and subscribed le
fore t he Com mission :
When the Committee on Printing
was appointed by the General Assem
bly, Session lSTO-'Tl, I was acting as
Secretary, Associate Editor and i Busi
ness Manager of TIe Sentinel office, and
Mr. Turner, the Proprietor, requested
me to see the Committee, make appli
cation for the Public Printing, and, if
successful, to arrange the matter with
the Committee in my own name. I
met the Committee two or three times,
and finally contracted with them for
the printing at eighty-seven and a half
cents per thousand for composition and
the same per token for press work, and
the binding at exactly the prices charg
ed by DeCartret & Armstrong, except
in one class that of the paper binding
which was put a few cents higher by
the hundred. ;
Two clavs after this contract was
agreed on between the Committee and
myself in behalf of The Sentinel, Mr.
Maunev came to mv residence and told
me that he had been talking with sev
eral members of the Legislature and
others on the subject of the printing,
and he was of the opinion or that
others were .of the opinion that the
prices were too high; and that they
could not sustain themselves before the
tax-pavers of the State if they paid the
prices agreed on, especially as j other
parties were saving it could be done
cheaper. I told Mr. Mauney that I had
put the prices as low as the work could
be done for, to do justice to thej office
and to the journeymen printers of tho
citv and that Ijdid not feel willing to
undertake to do the work atprices that
would neither remunerate the printers
. nor the contractor. I agreed, however,
to meet the Committee the next day
and talk the matter over again. '
On the next day, I met several mem
bers of the Committee in the clerk's
office of the Senate chamber, when some
of them not all urged a reduction irj
the prices that had previously been
agreed on. Finally,! proposed; to do
the press work for seventy-five cents
per token, and the composition at seventy-five
cents per thousand ems: One
of the Committee asked me what I
meant by the "thousand ems," j and I
told him I meant the space that would
be occupied by one thousand letter M's.
The Committee acceded to the terms,
the contract and obligation were drawn
up and. signed by the Committee at
last by the Chairman of each branch of
it and by myself in behalf of The Sen
I will here state, that I had not one
cent of interest in the transaction that
I have never measured nor seen meas
ured a page of the matter have never
presented an account or received a cent
of money on account of the Public
Printing and never expect to. I sim
Yly jfeted for TJie Sentinel office in the
matter, ami tried to act justly to the
office and to the State in the matter.
I will father state, that measuring
printed matter by the letter M instead
of the emquadrate is nothing new in
printing offices. I believe that at one
time it was the only method. I have,
in conducting a printing office, as often
measured by the letter M an by the
emquadrate. There is some advantage
in measuring by the M in some fonts
of type in others very little if any. It
was because of this advantage that I
proposed to measure by the M, when
the Committee insisted on a reduction
of the pfrice agreed on at first. In meas
uring matter in type there is no difference-,
between that measured by the
letter M and the em- quadrate if they
are both measured from the nick to the
back, aiid that, as 1 understand it, is
the proper mode of measuring the
depth of a page of printed matter, and
not by the number of ems as they run
to maxe up a line. I have never known
matter in type measured both ways by
jme , measurement, when there was a
difference between the width and depth
of the letter or the quad. The depth
must be the same in both the letter and
the quad, in order to justify. I believe
the only difference in measuring a page
of matter by the letter M and the em
quadrate would be in the length of the
tlines and not from the top to the bot
tom of the page, if properly measured.
I James II . Moo re.
, Mk. J. W. Maiicom appeared, was
sworn and testified :
Q. Are you a practical printer, and
in what office are you employed?
A. I am, and am employed in Tlie
Sentinel office. I have been in the
printing business since the year 18.53.
' Q. Were you engaged in making up
the accounts of the Public Pr.nter for
1870-'71, and what mode of measure
ment was adopted ?
A. lam foreman of the office, and
measured under instructions to meas
ure by the letter m. I was informed
that that wns to be the standard of
measurement under the contract, and
was so informed the same day I under
stood the contract was signed. Mr.
Moore so informed me. He stated at
the same tin)e that this was the under
standing between him and the Com
mittee on Public Printing.
- Q: What is the usual mode of meas
urement? A. I do not know positive
ly, as this is the first time I have been
engaged in measuring. The Typo
graphical Society requires payment to
be made by the em quad, at oO cents
per thousand ems. I have been inform
ed that some Public Printers, in par
ticular W. W. Holden, were paid by
the letter m.
- Q. If you can, explain the difference
in the modes of counting by the em
quad., the letter m and the capital M.
A. The. number of each letter required
to make up a line of the printed mat
ter is the standard. Then the number
of letters in the line multiplied by the
number of lines in a page give the
number of the letters in the page, law
measure. It requires 31 letters m for a
lino of law measurei of em quads,
for the same, and 28 capital M's. 25i
-Would be counted as 2G.
Jxo. W. Maiicom.
Sworn and subscribed before the
: Mr. JosErii A. Harris swore that
he ''.copied ; the contract. While en
gaged in doing so, Mr. Moore informed
me that he had made a spec ial agreement
with the Committee on Printing on the
part of the Legislature to count by the
letter m. I know nothing more about
the special contract, except. what was
stated to mq by Mr. Moore."
MnJ S. Mj Parkisii was called sworn
Q. Are you a practical printer, and
have you been called upon to examine
the accounts of the Public Printer for
this last year? If so, state by" whom,
and give the Committee such informa
tion as you may have in reference to
the same. A. I am.a practical printer,
I was called upon by Mr. Roberts, who
was then a clerk in the Auditor's of
fice, to assist him in the examination
of these accounts, and did so in con
junction with him up to the time of his
leaving the city. Mr. Gilbert has since
been joined with me in the examina
tion by request of Dr. Menninger, Sec
retary of State. I began to examine
the accounts in connection with Mr.
Roberts, beginning February, 1871, and
continued up to sometime in Septem
ber, i when Mr. Roberts left, and we
certified to the correctness, of the ac
counts during that period. We made
the calculation of the accounts, as they
were presented to us, making the cal
culations and examining the matter
charged for, as stated to me by Mr.
Roberts, according to his statement of
the number of ems contained in a page.
After Mr.; Roberts left, an account was
handed me containing some, minion.
To ascertain the number of ems in a
page, it was necessary for me to go
down to Tlit Sentinel office, when the
foreman proceeded to show me the
number of ems by setting up a line of
lefwer cased ems. This being a new
feature to me in the measure of matter.
I enquired of him if the other bills had
been made out in the same way by the
letter m. He told me they had, and
that he was ordered to make them out
that way by Mr. Moore. I proceeded
no furtlier with the examination of the
bill in hand, and wrote a letter to the
Auditor, informing him of the sup
' The letter was returned to mo with
a request that I should send it to the
Secretary of State, as he was the prop
er person, which I did, and he request
ed me to get some disinterested prac
tical printer to assist me in the exam
ination. Two or three days after I met
with Mr. Gilbert, a practical printer,
who kindly consented, and has assisted
me ever since. We went to The Senti
nel office and examined the type and
ascertained the number of ems there
were in a page by the letter m and the
em quad, measure both. Mr. Turner
suggested that we inform Mr. Moore
of our business, and request him to be
present. AVe then proceeded to the of
fice of the Auditor, where we exam
ined the contract. I then wrote Mr.
Moore :a letter asking him if he desired
to be present at the examination of the
account, requesting; if so, to indicate
the same, and we could meet at the
Auditor's office any afternoon he might
appoint. Mr. Moore was absent from
the city at the time. When he return
ed, he i met me on the street, and in
formed me that he had received my
note, and that it was his understanding
with the "Committee, with whom the
contract was made, that he was to
charge by the thousand letter m's. I
then called on Mr. i Gilbert, when he
and myself called at, the Auditor's of
fice, got the bills and examined the
same and certified to it by the em
quad, measure. Since then, such bills
for printing as have been handed us
have been certified ! in the same way.
The difference between the em quad,
and the letter m mode of computation,
is, that the em quad, is a square equal
in size to the body of the type, and
while the m is the size of the letter it
self, and consequently taking up less
space, and making a difference of some
thing between one-third and one
fourth. The m h:i printing is the em
quad., and is the measurement under
which printers are usually paid. The
measurement I made in The Sentinel
office, was of the matter of the Supreme
Court reports, then; being published,
and I measured by em quad., making
13T0 to the page counted both ways.
I have examined a page, law meas
ure, in the presence of the Commission,
and find that there are 2G em quad, in
line, and 31 lower case letter m, meas
uring the page perpendicularly, I find
51 em quad., making 132G to the page,
and by the lower case m 31 across the
page and G2 perpendicular, making
1922 to the page. I
Upon being recalled and hearing the
evidence of Mr. Nichols. I concur
with him in his statements with the
difference,1 that I allow 26 em quad, to
the line while he makes it 2oK
(Signed) S. M. Parrish.
Sworn to and subscribed before the
Mr- Ramsay swore that the whole
amount received up to this time for
printing has been about $10,338.71, ex
clusive of about $-3,000 paid John Arm
strong for binding. ;
E VIDE JVC E taken before the
.Legislative Conim it tee to
investigate the j natter of
the Public Printing.
C. AV. Bkoadfoot;
being duly sworn,
Q. State what was; the contract made
with the Public Printer, if you know
it, and what mode of computation was
agreed upon with the Printer, with
whom the contract was jnacle, and all
you may know about? A. When ap
pointed unon the Committee I knew
nothing of the different modes of com
putation, and acted
tion at Messrs. :ie
ioIs v& Gorman in
reply to an enquiry addressed them by
mvself. which is herewith filed. The
Committee made a (contract with Mr.
Moore, and afterwards it was modified
at the suggestion of Mr. Mauney. I
think the contract Was silont as to the
mode of counting, but my understand
ing was, that the made most favorable
to the State was to be adopted. I know
that one mode wasj suggested by Mr.
Moore, and not entertained by the
Committee. The contract was made
alone with Mr. Mocjre. Do not think
anv one else appeared before the Com
mittee; but Mr. Tutner said that Mr.
Moore represented him, and that he,
Turner, knew nothing about the mat
ter or how to compute. I knew noth
ing about printing, and insisted that
everything should be fciirly done in
good' faith. The first contract, accord
ing to my recollection, was , not reduc
ed to writing, and only differed from
the second in the rates of charging.
(Signed,) C. W. Bkoadfoot.
Hen ryT. JoRD.!bcingduly sworn,
o. State whether !vou were a mem
ber of! the Committee to contract for
the Public Printing; I if so, with whom
was the contract made; what mode of
counting was adopted ; and the price
to be paid for the jwork ? A. I was
one of the Committee. The contract
was made alone with Jas. H. Moore ;
Mr. Turner said he knew nothing of
practical printing, and loft everything
to Mr. Moore. Mr. Moore, in reply to
a question, said that in America, the
letter in was taken as the unit of meas
urement, but; it was different in Eng
land. "' Mr. Moore mentioned two kinds
of measurement, bejok measurement
and some other, I do Snot recollect what
lie called it. He said that every Public
Printer except Mr. tPell counted by
book measurement, cjnd that he would
measure every line ajnd ! piece of a line
by the lineal measurement. We bound
him to charge only by the lineal meas
urement of his work ; this part was not
reduced to writing, I think. Tlie Com
mittee, after having. made a contract,
afterwards, at the suggestion of Mr.
Mauney, had Mr. Mtore before them
and altered the contract, by reducing
the prices. I don't Recollect whether
the conversation about the different
modes of computing) was held at the
time the first contract was made, or
when the second was. The contract
was, that the measurement was to be
vv ho, lptf or m. and not the word em.
If there is a difference; bet wren the two,
it was not mane Know u.
E. Cro well being
duly sworn and
That I was a member of the Commit
tee, and made the contract witn iur.
Moore alone. My understanding was,
that there was two modes of counting,
and that the one most favorable to the
State was to be adoptdd. I think this
cqnverition was understood when both
contracts were made, j I had no knowl
edge of the different modes of counting.
I remember that Mr. (Moore offered to
take the contract at our lowest fixures
if we would let him count tho most ex
pensive way, but do not know what
wasj the way. This proposition was re
fused. I do not know; whether the two
ways were by book or em measure or
not- My final understanding was that
he took the contraot at the lowest price,
and Mr. Moore said it would be hard
bargain. !E. Crowe ll,.
R. P. Waring being duly sworn, says:
I jwas one of tlie Committee, and made
the contract with Mr. Moore, as the
representative of the Sentinel office.
The Committee made an agreement,
which was not reduced to writing first,
and then afterwards, modified it. My
recollection wes, that it was modified
at the suggestion of Mr. Mauney. Mr.
Moore stated that the letter m was the
American mode of counting, because
it was an average letter, and that n was
the English mode, being a small letter,
and that the difference in the two modes'
was about double, n costing most. I
think the mode of countingg was men
tioned at both conferences. Mr. Moore
stated that if book measure was adopt
ed, he could afford to take the contract
at much lower figures. I did not hear,
or do npt remember, anything about
measuring by rule or lineal measure
ment ; whether the different measure
ment by book or not was mentioned.
I said I would sign no contract which
purported to be at one price, and count
by a measure entirely different; that I
wanted the contract to express exactly
what it was. So far as the measure
ment by m, or em quad, if mentioned,
I do not recollect anything about it,
but I insisted upon what was called a
lair and square count, upon the manner
usual in the printing office. That the
same mode of counting was to bo adopt
ed in his count against the State as that
by which he paid his hands. This was
my understanding. Don't know wheth
er Mr. Moore, or the other members of
the Committee, so understood it ; prac
tically I know nothing of the different
modes of counting, but I am certain
that the understanding was that the
mode most favorable to the State was
to be adopted, and Mr. Moore, when
the contract was made, said: "It is a
hard bargain, and I doubt if it will pay
expenses ! ' ' There was no difference i n
the mode of counting when the con
tract was made the second time, but
onlp a reduction in price. The written
contract is the exact one made by the
Committee, and was not to be modified
afterwards, to my knowledge or con
sent. , R. P. Waring.
V. Mauney being duly sworn, says:
That I was Chairman of the Joint
Committee on Printing, I notified Mr.
Turner that we were ready to contract
for the public printing, and if he wish
ed to take it, he must come up and ap
ply. Mr. Turner stated he knew noth
ing about practical printing, but would
send his local, Mr. Moore to make a
contract and that it was for the benefit
of The Sentinel office. Mr. Moore met
the1 Committee and offered to take the
contract at the following price: 00
cts. thousand ems or m's (for plain
work,) 1.80 figure and rule work, 75
cts.i press work. I stated that the bid
was too high. Mr. I Rroadfoot then
read the letter from Nichols and Gor
man, which letter was read and is here
with exhibited. I still insisted that
the rates of the letter were too high:
Mr. Moore stated, there were two kinds
'of counting; that he could afford to
take it, if allowed to count as The
Standard had, for a less rate. I don't
recollect how this mode was. I think
he explained the different modes, but
I paid no attention to it, being inform
ed that no one but a practical printer
could understand it. Mr. Moore said
that he did not wish to count that way,
that the mode used by The Standard
had been used only a short time in the
State, a motion was then made to
adopt the prices in Nichols and Gor
man's letter and was consented to by
Moore and a majority of the Committee
by i vote, agreed to it. This was the
first contract; it was not reduced to
writing; I did not consent to this and
so notified the Committee at the time.
There was another meeting of the
Committee, Mr. Moore being present.
Mr. Moore said at that meeting when
I Expressed dissatisfaction with the
terms of the former contract, that he
could do it for much less rates if allow
ed to count as The Standard office did,
and then said he would be very will
ing to take the contract at 75cts per
thousand ems or m's if allowed to count
in that way but I think he said he did
not wish to count in that way. It was
suggested. bv someone, I don't remem
ber whom, that the Committee permit
the1 count to be in that way. Mr. War
ing dissented at once, and said he would
not sign the contract ; this appeared to
be the general sentiment. I then pro
posed the terms of the written contract
as i signed and Mr. Moore accepted
them, but said it was a mighty hard
bargain. I have no recollection of
going to see Mr. Moore about the con
tract at his house ; I did go to see him
on another matter after the contract
was made, when the matter was men
tioned, but I think nothing was said
about varying the terms of the con
tract. I don't recollect to have heard
anything about the quad, em, but I
know the count was to be the same in
both contracts and different from what
we, the Committee understood to have
ben the rule in The Standard office
when it had the Public Printing, the
change was only in: the price. The
count was to be the one most favorable
to I the State, I understood that the
written contract was exactly as the
Committee made it with Mr. Moore,
and has not been m od i tied to m y k no wl
edge or consent.
j (Signed,) V. Mauney,
IL Adams, Auditor, having been
duly sworn, says: j
I did not appoint any one to examine
the accounts of the Public Printer, I
know no law authorizing me to do so.
Mr. Roberts wa a Clerk in my office,
but was not appointed to examine the
Public Printer's account by me. Mr.
Roberts had been living in the city for
n W!ir. nrohablv two. he (Roberts) was
guilty of forgery upon the Public Treas
ury, anu nas leu . ine rsiaie. m?
accounts audited in my office, were
certified to by two practical printers
before audited, to the best of my recol
lection. : .
(Signed,) II. Adams.
James II. Moore tieing duly sworn,
when on motion, his statement was
read over to him as taken by the Com
mittee to investigate frauds, and the
same was adopted as a part of his ex
amination. In addition to that, he states that lie
proposed to the Committee not to count
any matter but what was absolutely
necessary to set up a necessary form for
printing the matter, and not to count
the other blank pages.
Q. Was it your understanding when
you made the contract with the Com
mittee for the Public Printing that
you were to count by the letter m, and
not by the em quad ? A. It was ; ami
I, in consequence thereof, instructed
the foreman of the office, Mr. Marconi,
to count in that way.
Q. Without any understanding at
all, what computation would you use
when these words were used to express
the contract: "For all plain work,
seventy-five cents per thousand ems?"
A. I would understand it the common
way now used by printers, viz : Km
Q. 'Was the difference In the meas
urement .by. the letter m and the em
quadrate explained to and understood
by the Committee at the time of mak
ing the contract? A. I thought it tas
understowl for the reason because 1
was asked by one of the Committee
what I meant by the measurement of
the letter m, and I explained it at that
time. : .
Q. Did you at either of the confer
ences explain book "measurement as
heretofore used by other Public Print
ers, and make or have any understand
ing about a change in that mode, if so,
what change did you agree to make?
A'. I did; and agreed to count only for
what was necessary to set-up the print
ed matter or form, and not to count
I what was unnecessary insetting up the
Q. Did you furnish the Committee
with a memorandum of the contract,
and if so, did it state the letter m, or
ems? A. I don't recollect whether I
furnished a memorandum as last agreed
on or not. J 1
Q. Did you furnish Judge Merrimon
with one? A. I reckon I did, as he
drew up the contract.
Q. In that did you use the letter m
or ems? A. I don't remember, and it
is immaterial which I used, for I as of
ten use one as the other, and mean the
same thing. This is my habit. There
was no understanding that the count
should be different from the written
contract. I understand the written
contract to mean just what our verbal
understanding, as explained, did.
Q. Was there any understanding be
tweeni yourself and Mr. Turner as to
the language of the contract and the
mode of computing the matter? A.
There was not. 1 don't think Mr. Tur
ner knew any more about the modes
of computing printed matter than any
one entirely ignorant of printing or
printing offices, and when the Commit
tee proposed to reduce the price from
what was first agreed upon, I was in
structed by Mr, Turner to take the
printihg any how, even if he got noth
Q. Do you know the mode of com
putation used by Littlefield when Prin
ter to the State; and' thexither Public
Printers? A. I do not know what
computation was used by Littlefield,
but The Standard, where I was famil
iar, always counted by the .letter m ;
so did Mr. Poll, until some question
was raised, and he then counted by the
em quadrate. I think the. price has
been since the war one dollar higher
per thousand. This contract made by
me is the lowest one ever made to my
knowledge. ; !
(Signed,) , James H.;Moork.
Josiaii Turner having been duly
sworn, and had read over to hiiii his
evidence taken by the Fraud Commit
tee, says that same, with the correction
made, is correct.;
Q. Did you, or any one in your office,
to your knowledge, or by your request,
or "at your suggestion, have Roberts,
the Auditor's Clerk, appointed as one
of the practical printers to pass upon
the accounts of the Public Printer. A.
1 did not.
(Signed) Josiaii Turner, Jr.,
Theodore N. Ramsay being duly
sworn, and having his evidence read
over to him, and hav ing corrections
made in the same, 'says that the same,
as corrected, is true.
Q. Who were the practical printers
who examined the aecounis presented
by you to the Auditor's office, and by
whorn were they appointed ? A. Mr. S.
M. Parrish and" IL II. Roberts. Mr.
Roberts was the Principal Clerk. in the
Auditor's office, and did ail tlie woric
in the office in the absence of Mr. Ad
ams. I don't know by whom they
(Signed) ; Tiieo. N. Ramsay,
John C. Gorman being duly sworn,
says: i : ' . j
Q. What computation would you use
upon the examination ol tne contract
here handed you? A. By the em quad.
Q. Did your office do for the Public
Printer, any of the work, and what
com nutation 'used? A. It did. We
counted by the em quad., but I don't
know whetner we received tlie money
directly from the Sentinel office, or from
the Treasury, but we allowed the Pub
lic Printer 15 per cent, for the reports.
Q. Have, you ever superintended the
State Printing, and if so for whom, and
how did you charge? A. I did for W.
E. Pell, and for a little while for my
self, and charged by the em quad., and
I know of no other mode having been
Q. Do you know the mode used by
the Public Printer in imo ? A. I know
from bills in the Auditor's office, he
charged by the em quad. I
Q. Do you know the mode used by
the present Public Printer? A. By
bills in the Auditor's office lie charges
by the letter m.
Q. What is the standard of measure
ment used by printers in this city? A.
The em quad, by all except the Senti
nel, The em quad, is the general stan
dard used by printers throughout, the
United States. ,
Q. What connection have you had,
if any, with the present contract of the
Public Printing. A. None, except
this during the last session of the Leg
islature, while the matter of awarding
the contract wa3 before the Legislature.
I was written to as a 'proprietor and
asked what I judged to be a lair price i
e of -tVdvcrtisinfi; x
j One square, ono time, - - $1 00'
i " " two times, - - - 1 60
! " " three times, - - - 2 00
' 4 . . J J .1 . .1.1
--v siiiixc is me wiuin oi a column, and It
inches deep. j
S3- Contrac t AtlvertLseinenU taken at
proportionately low rates.
Professional Cnrils not exceeding 1 squaro
will be published one year for ?12.
to be given the Public Printer. ' My -answer
is embodied in the noto before
me. I happened in the House on tho
morning Miy Waring made his report
to the House, and heard him state that
by his contract with the State Printer, ,
blank pages and parts of blank pages .
were hot to be paid for. Fearing, my.
note was not understood I interrogated
Mr. Broad fyot, one of the Committee
on the subject, who assured me that I
was understood, and that Mr. Waring's
report was properly "understood by me.
I told him it was unfair to the Printer,
and with that condition I would not
take the contract for $2 per 1.000. ' On .
leaving the Capitol! I met Mr. Moore,
the contractor, who) in answer to my
caution that he would loose money as
per statement of Mr. Waring, he re
marked that Mr. Waring's- statement K
xifol de rbl. I had no other connec- '
tion with the matter The written
contract shown mq is not such a one as
Mr. Waringj stated to the House.
(. Have vou cver contracted with
the State for" the State Printing, and if
so, -how did you cliarge for the same.
A. Yes, for a short while, with a Leg
islative Committee,, ' and. charged by
the em quad., at To cts. per 1.000. Lit
tlefield received 1.00 dollar per 1.000.
I always charged for blank pages and
parts of blank pages; . .
Q. Do the bills of the present printer
show the measurement, and if so, could
the printers appointed to examine tho
accounts presented to the Auditor, have
detected an improper measurement at
any time? A. If competent they could,
! Q. Do you know anything about the
persons who were apiointed to exam-
ine the accounts of the Public Printer. :
Mr. Roberts and Mr. Parrish, if so,
state their) character, capacity, Ac?
A. Roberts, I know nothing of, except
he is charged with forgery, and is a
fagitive. -Mr. Parrish is an honorable
man, but I know nothing ofhisknowl- j
edge of printing. '',! j
Q.' Were the terms you suggested as
fair and just to the Public Printer in
your letter to Mr. Broadfoot, higher or '
lower than those agreed upon in tho ;
written contract shown you? A. For
the composition the terms as suggested
by me were higher, and lower for press j
work. The press work generally is
about two fifths, and composition about
three filths' I
.John C, Gorman. j
Parrish, being. duly
That the evidence read
Mr. S. M.
over to him and sworn to as taken be
fore the Committee on Frauds is true.
I Q. Could you have discovered the
mistake of the Public Printer, In his
mode of computation by the bills he
presented to be audited and if so, why ;
was the discovery not made sooner?
A. Yes, I could have discovered the
mistake, but I relied upon tho. state--'
ment of 3Ir. Roberts as to the amount
(if matter ahd made no examintion hf
the measurement of the matter.
f Q. By whom were you appoints ?
A. I regard myself as appointed by the
Secretary of the State, having been ap
pointed by him heretofore lor mat pur-
pose and had not been notineu to sio
but I was requested by 'Mr.' Roberts
ucijf liim in llifmsp.
i b. When1 vou examined theaceouij
Of Littlefield and Jos. Holden, wH
liieasuremcnt did you use?? A. I i.iea
nrivl by f h em ouad. 1
(). Have vou measured and examin
ed and approved the several accoun
of the Public Printer since Sept., h
the cm quad, measurement.'
bnve. iointlv. with Mr. Gilbert. I
- - - - 7 . I7' . -. , -
(Signed,) s. aM.'I'aiikish.
N. B. BnouciiTON being duly sworn
and examined, says :
Q. Are you a practical printer, and
have vou been employed in any of the
leading offices of this city ? A. I am
a' practical printer, and have worked in
all the leading offices of this city.
(I. What would be the difference iji
tlie price of a page in the Journals of
the Legislature, 1st, n't 70 cents nor
thousand per letter m, and at one dol
lar per thousand by the em quad? A.
lido not know; I have always compu
ted by the em quad. '
iQ. Has the general rule been in all
the offices in which you have worked
to fonnmtc in that way ? i A. i es, sn
r . . - .
(Signed,) i. iHtorinTo..,
John W. Maroim being duly s worn
and examined, says: ' 1 ' I . j j
I That tlio evidence sworn to 1 and
signed by ine, before tho I Commission j
on Fraud-, is true. I ! J
Q. Were you instructed or directed
at any time, 'by Mr. Turner, to count in.
any particular way, and were you re
quired to-report to him the amount of
matter printed for the State,.and if not
did he superintend the printing, and
know by his own .knowledge or by re
lort of any of his employees, the
amount of matter? A., I was .never in
structed bv Mr. Turner in any way.' Jl
did not report to him. The whole
matter was left to myself and the book
keeper, Mr. Ramsay.
Q. Are you informed whether the
Public Printer charges for blank pages '
and parts of blank pages, wjiich are in
the Jaws of last session. A. All neces
sary blank pages are charged ; but only
charged when the form was set up.
lo. Arc you. foreman ol the Looic
Department in .The Sntinel office.
Q. Werp journeymen employed ny
the piece or the thousand m's. A. 1.1
is the same thing. 1
IQ. By what mode of measurement
were they! paid. A. By the em quad:
but I have received payment by the
Iqtter m in this city. The Union re
quires printers. to be paid now by the
ern quad, i .
jQ. Could tne mode oi computation
been discovered from the aci
practical printers at any
Not without examining the
John W. Marcom.
Won't teli.. We said that there
were certain things The Sentinel would
not tell its readers. We knew it would
not. It has copied our article ant
omitted tliat portion of it. Its readers
wpuld much rather have seen the
whole of our article than the asterisl- gj
which Tiel Sentinel substituted for poi
tibnsofit. But they will never see ic
in that paper. ( i