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COTTWGM WATCH
ANDMNGuFD
TO RICHARD WILLIAMS
Willis Carried the Articles
to "Depot Bell" Who
Buried them
PROGRESS IN THE CASE
Court Regan At :80 O'clock This
Moining and Klcftard Williams
Wai, the flrst Witness Told or
reejng Smith Conwl Into the Cafe
and1 Go Into the back -Room
lt'pr Saw Him Tut Into Ed.
Chuvis Hack' Cotton Gave Him
lu!kage to Carry !'pot Hell
Ln ir Went Back lilt Cotton's Re
quest and Asked the Woman to
llldje Package in Another Place.
i
On jaccount of the great length of
time that will be consumed by the
trial c(f Cotton, Holderfleld and Hop
kins, the superior court has set 9:30
a. m. :is the convening .hour. At this
Siour today both sides were In tho
ourtund after a few minor matters
md ben disposed of the trial of the
t above-named defendants proceeded,
r ipii0: , a - ...... ,.,;n in ihf.tr
infi H A f vnsnri oimiirpnttv never
loubtlftg the outcome. !
Mesfers. B. C. BeckwlBh and J. C. L.
Harris, desired that thfe court make
in order in the case ofj Ed. Murphy,
harged with. rane. But as the venire
was simmoned for 2: SO, the court
innou!ced its intention of waiting
intll tjhat hour to make! an order.
Richard Williams, the colored
:ok at the red light safe, was the
br Mr Snow for the state. AVitness
k(iew Mr. Cotton a year before the
homicide and had been working for
him altout five weeks; Knew Holder--Held
several years, and Hopkins two
vears. Was at Cotton's place on fcat-
"urday, 1 4th of November. Cotton
was there Saturday evening and
night, flolderfleld was there barbe-
cuingiigs. Hopkins was there in
morning and came back again at 4 p.
m. Witness describes interior of
tafe and situation of furniture, etc.
Saw a strange man come into Cot
ton's place at 7:30 o'clock p. m, Had
on grey overcoat and his shoes unbut
toned, high top shoes. No collar, tie
or hat on. Clean shaved fellow with
light hair. Full faced with big nose.
Witness given a picture and asked
if "that's the man?" "Yes, sir; that
looks very much like him," was the
reply. ; Man came in front door pretty
much drunk. Asked Mr. Cotton if he
could get any whiskey. Cotton was
In the back room. Didn't know
whether Holderfleld could hear him
or not. Hopkins was in front room.
Holderfleld was laying across the bed
and could have heard the conversa
tion. (n answer to stranger's query
about whiskey. Cotton' said, "No, I
wish I could get some myself."
Stranger and Cotton went into back
room, here Holderfleld was on the
bod. Witness paid no attention to it.
Cotton was sitting down by the fire
place. Door was "pushed to." Hop
kins was in front of cafe with wit
ness. 7'.'-.;;: . . ; 1
Witness saw Holderfleld ' about fif
teen1 minutes afterward when he came
out. Chavis came in about fifteen
minute after Holderfleld went out.
Chavis ordered piece of steak and
witness! cooked and served It. Hol
derfleld, came in later and went into
back' room while Chavis was there.
' About, fifteen minutes afte Chavis
came in Cotton came out t nd asked
Chavil if he wanted to ma ;e a trip.
' Chavis 'consented and Cot on gave
him $2, saying, "Is th it close
enough?" "Close enoug i," said
Chavis. Chavis would not ave until
he got his steak. Witness! went to
front of cafe to serve another custo
mer and saw Holderfleld putting a
man In Chavis' carriage. Couldn't
teU whether It was the stranger or
oot. iHad on overcoat and no hat.
Witness turned abound to put bot
tle In a barrel and when he lifted his
head i u7 the carriage had turned
aroun l and driven off. About twenty-five
minutes after that Holderfleld
came back and said,."That damn wo
man von't let me in." Cotton said,
"Who?" "May Shepherd," was the
answer. .
. On Sunday about 2:30 p. m. Cot
ton gave witness package wrapped up
in nevspaper and told him to carry
it to TDepot Bell," who lived across
, the- street. Depot Bell ate at Cot
. ton's. lYeltow woman. Carried pack
ageovlr there and "Depot Bell" took
paokata and put It 4er the kltchin
ioor. 8he came over to cafe later
' nd wnt Into back room and .sat
IE AD MAN
;,; :.- ' -'.:'- ; '-'-: :
down upon side of Cotton's bed. Cot
ton was lying down. No one else in
room. About twenty-five minutes
afterwards Madge Earle came up
there. - She came in and used curse
words and a scuffle could be heard In
back room. This evidence as-to scuf
fle ruled out. "Depot Bell" stayed
there about half an hour.
Witness went to her house about 2
p. m. on Monday. Cotton told him to
tell Bell to hide package in another
place. Told Bell and she said she be
lieved she'd bury it. She opened
package before burying it and in it
were a gold watch, a diamond ring
and a scarf pin. Witness went back
to restaurant after seeing the con
tents of package. Witness told no
one about that matter until after the
arrest, when he told Mr. Thompson
and Mr, Ber.sley on Thanksgiving
night that he saw strange man come
Into that cafe and described how he
was dressed. oTld Thompson that he
carried watch and chain over to "De
pot Bell's."
Defendants objected to above con
versation with Thompson. Objection
overruled.
Cross-examination by Mr, Gntliiifi.
Not satisfied that stranger came in
at 7:30 but it Is as near as witness
can guess. Witness did not leave
front room while- stranger was In
house. . Hopkins did not leave front
part while stranger was in there.
Light Xvas burning In front of Cot
ton's place.
Witness looked out of the door and
saw carriage. Certain he did not say
that he looked out of window and
saw carriage.
Cross-examination by Hinsdale.
Holderfleld came to restaurant
abouV; i o'clock? Saturday morning
and started to barbecuing pigs at 8
O'cloijJc. Finished about i o'clock",
Went up town and came back at (Ir30
and was around t hero from then on,
Repeats story of Granger's actions
after be came in.
Holderfleld wriit out and come
back and later Chavis came In. 'Hoi-'
derlield went into tlie back room.
Ed. Chavis was iu Colton'B place of
btisini-ss about fifteen minutes. Don't
know whether Holderfleld- went off
With Chavis or not. Witness saw
Holderfleld at carriage with another
man, and Chavis was unblocking his
horso. Holderfleld came back in
twenty-five minutes and did not go
off any more that night.
Witness and Chavis have been
locked up In jail in the same cell.
Cross-examination by Watson.
Witness said this time that Chavis
came in before Holderfleld, Witness
shown map and told to show how
Chavis came in. Holderfleld came in
and walked by Chavis and went Into
the back room, When Holderfleld
was at the carriage with another man
Chavis was at the horse's head un
blocking the horse. Witness reiter
ates time of Btranger's appearance
and description of bis dress.
Witness drinks sometimes but does
not use cocaine. Witness had trted a
sniff of cocaine two times but is not
a regular fiend. Had not used any in
two or three months before Smitn
came In the restaurant. Witness telJs
of Cotton selling a capudiue bottle of
whiskey to Ed. Chavis in jail. Said
Cotton said he just wanted to say
that he had sold whiskey in jail.
Witness wouldn't say that the pic
ture was positively that of the dead
man but they were his features. Has
not seen Smith since he went Into th
rear of cafe on Saturday night, No
vember 14th. Witness had no co
caine today, yesterday or day before
that. Witness did not frequent "De
pot Bell's" house. Nover went :n
her house in his life except the time
that Mr. Cotton gave him the pack
age to carry there.
At this juncture the judgo sus
pends court for a few minutes. All
the seats and aisles were jammed and
everyone of tho immense crowd could
be seen leaning forward to catch
every word of the witness Richard
Williams.
Williams denied ever "having any
relations whatever with a white girl.
Did not pay for part of "Depot Bell's"
meals out of . his salary. Did not
brag about having any relations with
any white girl.
Williams excused without bring
ing out any either Important point.
Captain J. M. Thompson, of police
force, was the second witness called
today .for the state. His testimony
was as follows:
((Japtaln Thompson's, voice very
bad on account of .bad cold.) Knowb
Cotton, Hopkins and Holderfleld and
Witness Richard Williams. , Witness
arrested Williams. Was on duty on
night of November .14 th. - Investigat
ed the Smith homicide. .'Policeman
Warren was with witness on night of
November 37th, when Williams was
arrested at his home. Witness asked
as to what Williams said to him.
Objections by defense. Overruled.
Captain Thompson corroborates Wil
liams in what he stated that he told
Thompson. Witnejf ' f says that Wil
liams said on 2nd ov December that
he wanted to tell officer who had the
watch and ring. Witness asked him
who and Williams told witness that
"Depot Bell" had them; that he
(Williams) carried It over there from
Cotton's place; that Cotton gave
them to him.
All of Mr. Thompson's testimony
as to conversation with Richard Wil
liams objected to by defendants but
overruled by court.
Captaiil Thompson went to look for
"Depot Bell" and found her near the
Southern depot and brought her
along back over to her home. Went
In back of V' and "Depot Bell"
scratched aiC d in the ground and
banded over i watch and ring,
Witness gave tch and ring to Chief
Mullins. Watch and ring were found
about' ten feet "from.. "Depot Bell's"
house They were wrapped up in a
piece of newspaper.-; Captain Thomp
son looks at a watch and ring and
identifies it as the same that "Depot
Bell" scratched up from the ground.,
No cross-examination, of Thomp
son. ' '.'.--
Defense admits that Thompson
gave watch and ring to Chief Mullins
and that the same wat'th and ring
were submitted in court, today.
Court awaits a few moments', lor
Mr. Snow to "go after Mrs. Smith, the
Widow of the deceased. When she
enters court everything grows so si
lent that It would have been possible
to have hoard a pin drop.
. Mrs. Smith's Kvideiicc, -
She is the wile of E. W. Smith, do
ceased, of Richmond, Va. Looks at
same picture as shown to Witness
Williams and identifies it as her hus
band. Examines watch and ring and
declares them to be those of her hus
band. '
"Mrs. Smith, what color hair did
your husband have?" was the only
question asked witness by defense.
"He had light brown hair," was
the reply. She was then excused.
Wlnslow Kelly was the next wit
ness called.. He testified as follows:
He did business on east Davie
street on November 14th.- Ran a res
November 14th.- uan a res , ' ... ,. ,
d sold older. . His t-tand' wasF""1 MrohV.,. hoy wore ,,,1
elve foot' from Cotton'sl1" r"vi;, ,h" ,!" tw" "
tanrant and
about tw
place,, nothing being between, tho two.
Two rooms to Kelly's place of busi
ness. Was at lifs'- place- of business
during day and night of 14th of No
vember. Closed at a few niiiinU
after 4 a. m.
Knew Hopkins, Cotlou and Iloliloi'
fiold. Saw the defendants at Cot
ton's cafe on the same day. Holder
field killed and dressed two pigs.
Witness saw Red Hopkins on the
evening of the 3 4th of November at
about dusk. Red came into his (Kel
ly's) place and said, "I'm going to
get my bottle." Got bottle, went out
with it and stayed about half hour
and came back. Put the bottle 'back
where it came from. Ho, Hopkins,
went out but later camo back and
said, ''Bud, it -anything -happens to
night, for the Lord In Heaven's sake
don't say anything about it, or it's
"Katy barred the door with mo.-"
Tho bottle was a round bottle, hold
ing about three ounces. Witness
gave bottle to Jack' Beasloy on Mon
day following homicide. 'Twas
as a
it' If
brown bottle. Would know
I should see it. Mr. Kelly given a
bottle and he says that it is exactly
like the one that Red Hopkins got
out. of his place of business on the
night of November 14th. (Bottle
labelled "chloroform squibb.") De
fense admits that the bottle exhibited
In court and contents are same as
given to Jack Beasley by Kelly.
Cross-examination by Watson.
Kelly's place of business sets back
from the sidewalk. Further back
than Cotton's. Has two windows
opening on to the alley way. : Kelly
had been there about six months
prior to this occurrence. Paid c'.ose
attention to business. Knew Wil
liams well. Witness said Williams
used cocaine so much that he looked
like a Crazy man. Saw, Williams at
"Depot Bell's" frequently. Some
times thoy would have to call him
from Bell's when he was wanted in
the red light cafe.
Hopkins brought bottle to Kelly's
place of business during Fair week,
in October. About 13th. Hopkins
went to work for Cotton after Arthur
Waalnt Sing left and Saint Sing worked
for Cotton during the Fair. Bottle
was left there until Hopkins came for
It on November 14th. Hopkins went
to work for Cotton after he left bot
tle at Kelly's. Hopkins did not tell
Kelly the contents .of the bottle. Gib
O'Nell was In Kelly's place when
Hopkins got the bottle at dusk. Bot
tle was returned in half an hour.
Great amount of 'travel up and
down Davie street, especially on Sat
urday afternoon and night. Gang of
loafers hung around both places and
the owners would be forced to ralBe a
row to get them away. Unless It
rained the crowds congregated every
(Saturday. Rained a little about 7
o'clock. Kelly's place was crowded
this particular night.
A person brought from Cotton's
back room would have to pass by his
(Contlnud on Paf' Five.)
DEBATEONPAYNE
im BILL IS
MOVING ALONG
Several Speakers Have Their
Say on the Proposed
New Bill Today
no deficit ?mm
Representative '('untroll Was the First
Npoitker 4ln 'Argued For n'- Pro
tective1 IHity On Hemp, Jute and To
baccoHe Was Followed by Rep
resentative' Gains of West'vil 'Inia.
Mr. Gains Says the Policy i Pro.
toction Has Uiilt l'p His P H of
tin' Ownf'y Ways and t eans
'oiiunit(ce Had to heal W.ili a
lil'iicult Problem Committer Kid
'its P(t For . Kvery Interest . by
Making Concessions.
(By Leaser) V:i;e to The Times)
Washington, April l The house
iiiel, at I 0 o'clock loda'y ;i:nl .'resumed
eonslderMticn ol' Hie l.nilT liill. .Rep
resentative' -Canlrejl was the first
speaker. He' 'argued for a protective
duty on tobacco, hemp and jute,
three articles in which the people
are deeply'. .Interested.
Ha was fallowed by Representative
Gaines, of West Virginia, a majority
Lmember of the ways and means com
mittees Mr. Gaines advocated the
policy of protection and said it has
built up his part of the count ry. The
ways and means coniniiltee, be con
tinued, haci ff deal with a most dif-
They were called on
oven no
and at. the same lime were to pre
serve protection and ad.insl the .schedr
nle to meet the comfit ions esisling
in the various sections of the country.
It is v Impossible.'-.', lie said, .to give
every interest, exactly wliaL il wains.
mt that tho-'coinmllt'eo'.hnd done its
best by 'making concessions. .
Representative llardwiok .Inquired
whv. the sugar trust was 'protected,
In reply; Miv Gaines stated thai, the
conimit.lee made li cut. on refined 'su
gar that would at the same time pro
tect the. sugar industry. He asked
Mr." llardwiok if ho... favored destroying-the
beet sugar industry.
Referring to Ihe financial", condi
tion of' tho treasury Mr. (laines said
it lias boon' assumed Uial the Dingioy
bill had to he revised because tho
treasury needed more revenue. He
then road a slatomeii! to tho house to
show there is ho Immediate danger of
i bond issue because of the shortage
of cash in the treasury. On '"March
0 there was an available "cash bal
nce of $i:;::,0(l(l, 000. The revenues
are Increasing and there will be noth
ing like a deficit of $ 15(),ii00,li()() at
the close of this fiscal year as has
been charged by the critics of the nd-.
minlstraMon would be the case. The
treasury is': meeting its obligations
and all claims are paid when pre
sented.
Continuing, Representative Gaines
said Representative Cantrell had
placed Mr. Bryan again iu nomina
tion for the presidency. "There is
nothing now under the sun." He
said: . "Democratic, arguments and
candidates are about the stalest
things the republicans are ac
quainted with,"
Representative Boohed Interrupted
Representative Gaines, saying:
. "Bryan has proved a very expen
sive candidate to the republicans
when It came to 'raising -a' campaign
fund." '
Mr. Gaines replied:
"If the democrats thought Bryan
cost us more than he did the demo
crats thoy are welcome to the conso
lation." This was greeted with applause.
Mr. Hard wick said Bryan had been
a costly product.
1 Mr. Gaines was'lnterrupted by Rep
resentative Sulzer, who contended
that tho Payne- bill had Increased
taxes on the necessaries of life. Mr.
Gaines denied this. Mr. Sulver then
specified the tax on tea. Represen
tative Gaines said he did not approve
that tax and Intimated, that at the
proper time that tax would be
sMrken from the bill. ' :
Representative DcArmond, who
followed Representative Gaines, said:
"The tarjff should be revived, but not
as proposed by the majority members
of the ways and means committee-.
It was Idle to say that the minority
could control the majority, yet when
the minority of the ways and means
committee were excluded from fram
ing the bill It was an admission thai
the minority would take the bin away
from the majority. No one could say
what the bill would be when finally
passed. He said it proposed that the
vote was to be allowed on lumber
and in consideration of that the mem
bers must not insist on a vote on
hides.
The democratic members of the
senate finance committee are making
a strong fight to attend the sessions
now- being held by the republican
members of the committee. Senator
Bacon introduced a resolution pro
viding that all members of i lie com
mittee be allowed to att ;ml the hear
ings on the tariff bill. Senator Aid
rich said the position of tho finance
committee does not .-differ, from ilie
custom followed by. that ooniniitioc
heretofore, and that: tho entire com
mittee would be informed later of the
proceedings at the hearings.
Senator Aldrich .said if the Bacon
resolution passed congress' would not
pass a tariff bill in throe years and
dial a tariff bill was never more open
to. the examination of the minority
than the present bill. Senator l.a
follette said the statement was in
consistent. Senator Duniol asked ilie
object of the secret hearings. Sena
tor '.Aldrich replied that. it. was be
cause' the' -committee wished, to pass
the bill at this session.
SAYS CUBA WILL
JOIN THE STATES
(liy LoaMed YVii'e to The Timer,)
Washington, April l.V-"ls i.'iiha coin
ing Intu the't'iiitcd Slates?" asked Sen
ator Carlos -Garcia ValeS! the new' min
ister from Cuba, who iirriveil in Wash,
inutoii last niKlit.-
"KwuluaMy, yes," she - replied; "but
whh a different laiitiuaKv and a differ
ent people: it will take some time to
bring-that -.'about," although' it is the
commercial and .'political salvation of
my... -count iy."
Scnor (:irei:i enntliiiied: .
"I fei'l most 'kindly toward tlie Tint
ed States because 1 owe' my .education
and my pofilt of view to it.
" am an 'American - Cuban," said
Minietec Calvin Vale-.. "My education
ami jil
is to f
are American, My piti'ii.o
r the relations between tins
country and
i-eat deal I.
member all
us."
'my" count ry. . e owe. a
tlie fulled States and iv
that lias been dmie. for
COTTON PLANTERS HIT
inequalities and Injustice of
tlie Tariff
Senator Bacon of Georgia Takes Note
of President Tail's Plirling With
the South Protective Tariff locs
South Groat Wrong.
(By Leased Wire to The Times)
Washington, : April 1 That the
cotton planters of the sOutliaroharder
hit. by the incipiaiities and injustice
of .he protective tariff than any other
class of people in the t'nited States
is the opinion of Senator Baton, of
Georgia. Senator' Bacon will en
deavor to have the duty of $2 per
thousand retained n lumber. I'nlike
some democratic 1 senators. Senator
Bacon Is not in favor of free hides,
unless free shoes are to be admitted
or a great reduction In the duty upon
them is made at the same time. Sen
ator Bacon takes note of ' President
Taft's .flirting with his section of the
country. He says:
, "Those who are now insistent that
the political solidarity of '-the. 'south
shall be broken,-' which moans that il
shall, in 'whole or part, become re
publican, forget that the cardinal
principles of the republican 'parly is
the high protective tariff which does
this gross wrong to cotton, which is
the leading industry of our section,
upon the prosperity of which all in
dustries with us are dependent.
."I will endeavor to have' the duty
of $2 per thousand upon lumber re
tained as in the present .tariff law.
At the prevailing price of lumber $2
per thousand is only about twelve per
cent ad valorem duty and is not a
protective rate." .
FIGHT. WITH AX HAGLK.
Monster Bird Trios to Carry Oil' Child
of Farmer.
(By Leased Wire to The Times)
St. Charles, Ills., April 1 right
ing desperately for two hours with a
monster eagle to keep his three-year-old
boy from the menacing talons of
the groat bird, Peter Johnson, a far
mer with tlie aid of neighbors finally
captured the king of the air.
Fully a score of persons participat
ed in the conflict with the eagle and
pitch forks, 'clubs and stones were
brought Into use before the bird, ex
hausted from its efforts, gave up the
battle. JehiDHin was terribly scratch
ed in the encounter, although his son
was uuhurd
ZEPPELIN CRAFT
IS HELPLESS AND
DRIVEN
BY WIND
is at Mercy of
Wind, Unable
lo Land
High
SOLDIERS TO RESCUL
Zeppelin Airship on Lone, Distance
I 'lilil Lnconnlri-s Heavy Wind
.Near .Munich and is I'nablo to
Proceed or to Lund Is Drifting
Almost Helplessly Before the
Wind Soldiers in Automobiles Go
lo the Kesctie, in Order to bo on
laud Should An Attempt at Land
in v, he '.Made Count Zeppelin and
Sewti Others Are Aboard the Car.
: ll:y Cable "to The Times)
Munich, April 1 -The Zeppelin air
ship, wilh the count himself on
a rl . I::- being swept helplessly over
the country at tlie mercy of the Wind
She is out of control and is drifting,
wilh' no chance of being able to make
headway against the increasing wind
which is too high to permit of an at
tempt. 'at a landing. .
.Soldiers, in switt automobiles are
racing over the country alter the a it
cratt in order to be on hand should a
descent be attempted and several
squadrons of cavalry have been or
dered Out and are galloping down the
roads to tlie northward for the same
purpose.
The last report of the balloon
conies Ironi Freysing, over whlcll
town it passed, still apparently be
yond co'itrof, 'at 11: 1,1, two iiourt al:
ter its first-, appearance there.
The 'number on board is variously
reported at. seven and IS men...
Berlin, '-'April' 1 The airship Zep
pelin I, wilh Count. Zeppelin and
seven companions aboard. -.ascended
at Kriedrichsbafen at 4 o'clock this
morning for a long distance flight
its Objective point being Dresden. It
arrived there at.lt o'clock and was re
ceived by Princo.-'Uegont. Luehold of
P.nvaria. The 'airship, traveling at an
average height of 1.u yards, executed
a number of evolutions outside the
cily, ascending and descending and
deviating riu'hland left. ; An '.'enorm
ous crowd watched the nianoeuvers.
The weather was. cloudy and windy
throughout. . .
Count Zeppelin vainly .'attempted
to land in tho Olierwiesenfeld, a drill
ground in tho outskirts of Munich.
The airship was driven by a violent
toward Ohorfooriag and a - military
airship detachment was dispatched
by railway, to render assistance. A
detachment of cavalry rode after the
airship, . .''
CANT
-AV WITH OITLAWS.
flayers Will lie Ba'rri-d if They .lump
to California Team.
i By Leased Wire to The Times)
Cincinnati. April 1 Any- baseball
player who jumps to the California
outlaw league will not be eligible for
reinstatement within throe years, and
if he jumps his contract h will be
barred. 'irom organized baseball for
live years. .
Th;s is a decision rendered hy the
national-commission at. Its session
here today. ; It Is believed the decis
ion is aimed at Spilde of the Cincin
nati cub, aad .lolmiiy Kling of the
Chicago Cubs.
Miners Take Holiday.
' (By Leased Wire to The Times)
Wilkesbarre, Pa., April 1 All the
mines in the anthracite region are
idle today to allow the miners to cel
ebrate a holiday. The occasion Is the
expiration of the United Mine-workers
agreement with the operator,
Work will, continue under the agree
ment, however, for the present.
Marion Crawford Critically III.
(By Cable to The Times)
Home, April 1 The condition of
I". Marion Crawford, the novelist, Is
critical today. The acute influenza
lias developed Into pulmonary con
gestlon and It Is feared that he can
not recover. He is at his villa at
Sorrento.
Appeals iu Divorce Case,
(By Cable to The Times) l
Edinburg, April 1 Mrs. Alexander
Stirling and Lord Northland today
filed papers from the decision In the
famous divorce case won by Mrs
Stirling's husband , Lord Vitjl
V. 1 1 l .1 w.
vost.
REGULATE THE
GOVERNMENT MR.
HA RRIMAN SAYS
Government Needs Regula
tion More Thia Railroads
In His Opinion
COMMENCED WRONG
Groat Itailroud Wizard and "Undesir
able Citizen" Is Feeling Fine and in
Caustic Mood Don't Wont Any
More Anarchistic Attorney-Gen-
. orals, Xor a Demagogic House of
- .Representatives, Nor a Senate
Filled With a Lot of Inebriates.
Government Should be Reformed.
The Past Administration Was Ex
travagantWhat We . Need Is a
Business Administration.
(By Leased Wire to The Times)
Chicago, April 1 "Regulate the
government; it needs regulation far
more than the railways; prevent the
recurrence of an anarchistic attorneys
general. Don't elect a demagogic
house of representatives. See to It
that the senate Is not filled with a lot
of inebriates." ;
Hearing such vigorous advice, the
conclusion seemed Inevitable that E.
H. HaiTiman was quite well ;at least,
there appeared to be nothing lacking1
in the forcefulness of his speech. :
"Mr. Harriman, how is your
health?'' was the sequential and quite
involuntary sentence.
''Never better. I never felt bet .
ter in my life, though I've made a
long journey under fatiguing circum
stances." .-.; . ' ;
" You believe ilie -government:, inorof
than the traiisportatlou lines, needs
reformation?" was asked. :
"1 do, absolutely, The past ad
ministration was extravagant, lncon
ceivablely extravagant. In fact. It -;
has been a case of maladministration :
for years from the national capital
down to our town councils. Econom
ically It has been notoriously a waste
of the people's money. There has
been no honest representation of tax- ;
a i ion. . - "
"What we need Is a business ad
ministration; not a wild, extravagant
government,; that takes no heed of,
depressions; that has or had, I re
peat - an anarchistic attorney-general.
Regulate the corporations?
Yes; certainly. But begin by regu- :
lating the government. We com
menced at Hie wrong end. But now
that the corporations have been pret- '
ty well regulated, let us attend to the
government which has misrepresent
ed the ..people."
"Do you include state legislatures ;:
as well?"
"I do. And a,t that, mind-you, I
don't believe in the concentration In
the supervision of corporations,- of
railroads in especial. At the bottom
1 am a state rights man, which may
sound heretical these days. State
commissions are all right If you have
tlie right kind of state commission
ers, But the trouble In the states has
been about, the same as at Washing
tonthe wrong kind of representa
tives are sent there.
"The people don't get what they
pay' for.- It Is waste, waste, waste of
the people's energy and their money.
1 see no reason why a government
should not be run the same as rail
roads are run, on a mile tonnage
basis. When we must, when times
are hard, we can operate on a 48 per
cent, basis. The government should
do the same when its revenues de
crease. It should retrench and not
fall back on Increased tariff regula
tion." - -. -;: - '., , ,
"Then you are not a tariff reform- :? '
fir?" -s.. ''O ' '
"I am what you might call a flexible ' P,e
protectionist. Tho tariff ia an eco- i ; ' '
nomic, not a government, question. -It
should change with a country's
change. A great,-rich nation like the ;
Pulled States, with Its enhancement
of population and multiplicity of con-
dltions cannot have a rigor Impost." r
W ill Visit Klnir Victor.
Rome, April 1 The ex-Crown 1
Prince of Servla Is expected soon to ' f ,ww
visit King Victor Emmanuel.- ; One lsr :
ronnff haa (f ihof tin will 4.M 1. '- " '
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mediately afterwards upon a long ' ''i' x - i f
iuui aim um join in a nunung party
in Atric. : ,
Five Seamen Suffocated."'''
Panama, April l Five teamen :V
""i;e suffocated In fire tn the hold of, '
teamsnip Bonia at Colon today.'
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