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RALEIGH, N, Cj FRIDAY, JULY 23, 1909.
PRICE 5 CENTS
OARflY K. TIIAV
TELLSALL ACOUT
SHQOTINGVIUTE
For First Time Gives Oa
Interview Discussing the
Events Before Shooting
TALKED TO REPORTER
Harry Thaw Tells For the First Time
the "Causes - That Led to Shooting
of Stanford White and Incidentally
Replies to Interview Given Ou.t by
His Wife Says Mrs. Thaw Didn't
Say White Was Her Protector and
Patron, or That Thaw Kept Her
For Three Years In His Possession
St the Point of a Pistol.
(By Leased Wire to The Times)
White Plains, N. Y., July 23-Harry
K. Thaw today told (or the first time
the causes which led him to shoot
Stanford White. In this remarkable
interview he disclosed the various
events before the tragedy and also
goes Into some of the statements
made by his wife last Saturday.
"Mr. Thaw.' this interview has it
that your wife said White was 'my
. protector and patron' " the reporter
said.
"I don't believe she said that. We
frequently discussed Mr. White, and
agreed he seemed kind enough, ex
cept for certain fallings."
"Then she told you she liked
him?"
"Not-at all in the way you put it,
In fact, nothing could be further
from the t'uth.'- All the girls, at par
ities seemeti to TTKe nlm. You knot
he kept her away from his other vie-
tjms,, except tmat in iyus ne may
nave introduced her to one young
woman. Now, most of the other girls
liked White, but not one ever was
really taken with him. Miss Nesuit
asked Mr. White, in 1902, if he never
felt badly because the girls liked
hitn but never one .of them fell jn
love with him the least bit. Mr.
White said she was wrong; that 20
years ago a 'girl had really, been in
love wun mm. He said she was a
French girl, a countess, which may
have been true or may have been just
a 'trimming' to this one case of a
girl who had fallen in love with him.
"Now I think this shows pretty
clearly how unattractive he was to
girls in a personal way, if, with all
the unfortunate American girls he
went with, not one ever was in any
way infatuated with him."
"Then you were not incensed by
.any idea that she liked Mr. White?"
"What? She liked him so little
that when, in 1905 or 1906 after
passing her on Fifth ayenue, he turn
ed and followed her motor to No. 1
East 33rd street, when she saw his
motor turn she rang the doorbell at.
Dr. Delevan's In terror and then re
turned as fast as she could to the
Ioralne. Don't you know what hap
pened the night of June 25, 1906, in
Martin's?"
"No, I don't think I do." .
"Truxton Beale and Thomas Mc
Caleb were dining with us there.
I was facing the northeast corner,
so I saw only the two tables between
us and the wine room.
"Toward the end of the dinner I
saw her tremble and look sick. Ker
health was not good, so i asked:
'What is the matter? Are you ill?'
She straightened up at the same mo
ment, then said: "No, I'm all right.'
Several minutes after, Mr. McCaleb
passed me a piece of the, menu card
and I opened It and in Evelyn's
handwriting read : 'The b - was
here -.and has just gone out? Mr.
Jerome knew all about that. Just
the sight of White nearly made her
sick even, with three clean-minded
men beside her." . -
"Did you say anything then?". .
"Yes, I looked over at her and
said: 'Don't mind; "don't pay any
more attention to hinl,' and talked
of some other subject to help her
recover from her terror at the sight
' of the person who had ruined her life.
Sua shivered and looked sick the
same way two or three times when
he drove past us on the street and
glared at us." ,
"Then you had no jealousy of
him?", 4
"That would be nonsense. One
might a, well become jealous of u
- wftd boar.-. . '. !
- "She. says you took her .from a
birthday party White had given her
at thfe point of a revolver and that
It was " fear Jot . this that kept her
with you tor three years. She flays:
'Thaw stole' nto frotu White at, the
fipint of a gun and kept me for
three years.'" - I
"No one . has more conte'mpt for
a man who tarries a pistol than
have and always have had. That
Christmas eve, 1903, White' had
birthday, pa.rty for her, in the tower,
It was her nineteenth birthday; but
as she and I thought it was her
eighteenth hirthday, I had" promised
to come for her that night.. Mr,
White had made Vague- threats so
only and solely to Have witnesses Jo
prove in court that it was not-my
fault if there was a row, and to
prove that I had not begun it. had
two detectives come to secure wit
nesses, but I had no pistol, and never
thought of such a thing. Neither
was I looking for trouble, - but in
case White ran into me I wanted to
prove that I had not begun it. -
f- "Presently a motor stopped across
the street and Mr. White jumped
out, used some language to the chauf
feur, then ran into the stage en'
trance. We waited. .1 feared he
would scare Eevelyn into coming, in
whish case I should have spoken to
her and the only danger was he
would lnterefere and start a row,
with the chance these four young
men really were hired by him. I in
structed my detectives, if White
squabbled alone, not to help me, but
to pile In very, fast If White got
help. However, Evelyn was firm
In about five minutes a procession
trooped out of the stage door; flrst
Mr. White in his evening clothes, fol
lowed by about five men-and women
half his size. Two got into his mo
tor with White. I drove off in an
other vehicle. 1 heard afterward
that all went to the tower, where
with some other guests, they atrj
Evelyn's birthday cake, though White
himself left them presently. I don't
think they even saw me, only a few
feet off. After they departed I went
in and got Evelyn and with her join
ed our party in the carriage."
Well, did White do anything
more?"
"I did not know at the time.
thought he would return to the tow
or and stay there."
What did he do?"
I learned in a day of two that
he whs more violent than I suspect
ed. Soon after we had started for
supper White reUirn'ed alone, cursed
( , i trtnl,n "r nrii1rtta!ui .... ti f'i C. I.- " n
Evelyn's dressing room, then outside,
but he had shown- a black handled
revolver in his pocket to Mr. Bowman
and in a furious tone shouted: 'I will
kill Thaw before morning!'"
WOMAN VERY GENEROUS
Gave Ail Her Property to
Servants
Guvc Away .$70,000 in Cash and
$79,000 in Bonds When Husband
Administered an Estate He
Couldn't Find Anything and Inves
tigation Revealed ' Fact That
Housekeeper Had the Property..
(By Leased Wire to The Times)
Chicago. Ills., July 23 An extra
ordinary story of generosity which
is now before the probate court, for
settlement was told to Judge Cutting
in that tribunal.
Mrs. Balbena Morrison, an aged
woman, lived with her husband, Ed
ward M. Morrison, at No. 224 West
Harrison street. She was known to
be wealthy.. She employed a house
keeper, Mrs. Kate Hlller, the daugh
ter of an elevator conductor. Mrs.
Hiller has a crippled . brother, Carl
Hauber. Mrs. Morrison died in May.
Her husband, as administrator of the
estate could find no estate. Mrs.
Hiller and her brother and husband
disappeared. On June 17 they were
arrested in Hoboken as they were
taking a liner for Germany. Mrs.
Hiller told Judge Cutting that Mrs.
Morrison had given her and her
brother $70,000 in cash and $79,000
in bonds.
"On July 4, 1908, she called me to
her room and said, 'Dear, I Jiave
something for you,' asserted Mrs.
Hiller.
"She took a package out of a tin
box and told me it was $70,000
which had bonds of the value of
$79,000 and gave it to my brother
Carl. She said, 'Here, my child, take
this money and kee.p it. Do with it
as you wish and may God bless you
and make you rich.' I took the mon
ey and bonds away with me.
"I put the money in the bank and
we bought $50,000 worth of bonds
which are in the custody or my at
torney, and several lots. I took her
own bonds back to her, but she shov
ed them away and said she did not
want them. I put tuem under her
bed and left."
Edward Morrison, the husband, as
serted that the bonds-said to have
been returned and put under his
wife's bed are missing.
Judge Cutting jald:
"This Is the mbst unusual case I
have ever heard.- It sounds like . a
fairy tale. I will continue the Inves
tigation until August 25." ,
AS'
FRANCE STANDS
THRESUOLD
OF SOCIAL!
Oeveiopmeois Today lotah:
That New Minister Will Be
Distinctly Socialistic
THE FEELING IS TENSE
Brlaud is an Avowed Socialist
Through the Force of His Person
ality He "Has Kisen From a Position
of Obscurity Among the Revolu
tionary Socialists to a Command
ing Place In the Affairs of France
Through All the Years He Has
Never Lost Sight of His Goal
Socialistic Ascendency In France
- Feeling of Keenest Tensity in the
Air Today.
(By Cable to The Times)
Paris, July 23 France stands to
day on the threshold of socialistic
dominance. Following the offer of
President Fallieres to Aristide-Briand
to form a new ministry to succeed tne
Clemenceau cabinet, developments
came fast today to indicate that t:ie
tendencies of the new ministry will
be distinctly socialistic.
M. Briand is an avowed socialist
moving orator and a distinguished
scholar. His inception into the office
of premier means greater latituuo
thaa the revolutionary factions haw
ever enjoyed. M; Simyan, under set
retary of the department of posts
and telegraphs, whom the postal em
ployes held responsible for the recent
grievances which precipitated , the
5fttM,iH.,9wlajgly,Jlose;!i5
office if Briand succeeds iiv carrying
out his desires for a new cabinet
Thus the striking element will get its
revenge. It Is understood, however
that several members of the Clemen
ceau cabinet are not distasteful to
M. Briand.
Through the sheer force of h!s
personality M. Briand has risen in
several years from a position of ob
scurity among the ranks of the revo
lutionary socialists to a commanding
place in the affairs of France. His
first step into prominence not only in
France but abroad, was gained when
he reached the final chapters of the
separation laws and sought to sepa
rate the church and state, aiisurinp
the freedom of worship and consci
ence.
The result was his elevafion to t:u
office of minister of public instruc
tion and worship in 1906, and in l?i;
year following made minister of jus
tice. Through all his rise to the
present he'never lost sight of his goal
socialistic ascendancy in France.
It is freely predicted that M. tir:
and will fail in his efforts to ap
point a successful ministry, which
can command a majority of the voles
of the chamber. Deputy Dubier.
heading sixty radical-socialists, has
taken a stand not to support a min
istry which is not of the most ultra
radical variety. M. Jaures, leader
of the socialists of less violent tend
encies in the chamber, declared today
that he and his followers would sup
port M. Briand, relying 'up(m'"lr:s
judgment to the end.
Political Paris figuratively held Its
breath .with expectation for the offic
ials to move today.
There was a feeling of the keen
est tensity in the air. First it was
thought that the high post would be
offered to M. Bourgois, and so it
would have been but for the doubt of
his attitude and his absence from
Paris. M. Briand seems to occupy n
midway position between the conserv
atives and the radical revolutionists.
Diplomatic and steeded in political
knowledge he knows the inevitable
fate of the revolutionary in high
places. M. Briand is opposed to the
dissolution of the revolutionary gen
eral federation of labor which M.
Clemenceau favored and the members
of the organization 'throughout
France feel that the sympathies of
M. Briand are more than lukewarm
toward them.
M. Clemenceau finds himself in a
peculiar position today. ; The storm
against him is now having its reac
tion and in certain quarters he is
more popular than he was before his
political suicide..'
Prodding Ofllcer Dead.
(By Cable to The Times)
Melbourne, July 2 3The federal
house of parliament was thrown Into
a panic at the end of an all-night ses
sion today when' Speaker Sir Freder-.
Ick Holder fell from his seat in a fit
and died before medical aid co'jld be
summoned. ,
OF
IKSTERY APPEAR
,1 SUTTON CASE
Consulted Sutton's Mother
About Case Then Left
for Baltimore
MAY BE PUT" ON STAND
It is Said These Women Will Corrob-oi-jtc
t!n- l)cc!;ii!!tioiis Adams is
Said to ifa' e Made to Mrs. Parker.
Hoard of Inquiry Meets to Hear
From K-.-rjiraiit Je Hart, the Only
Xon-Comiiii.ssioiH-d Officer at the
Scene of the Tragedy l)e Hart's
Testimony, However, Was Disappointing-
to the Suttons Had
I?:imm1 Gi-ear Hopes on the Non
commissioned Officer's Story.
( liy Leased Wire to The Times.)
-iniaiioi:s, Sid., July 23 Two
women of mystery, both young and
prtMty, appeared on the scene of the
inquiry into the death of Lieutenant
James N. Sutton today. They con
suiied with Sutton's mother and sis
ter, who have been conducting the
fight to :iav,.' the original verdict set
aside. It is expected they will be
witnesses. When they were told that
the hearing would adjourn until next
week, the two hurriedly left for Bal
imoiv. It is (1 -clarcd that by the testimony
of these women, if they decide to put
the witnesses on the stand, the Sut
tons intend to corroborate the decla
rations Adams is said to have made
to Mrs. Parker.
t The naval board o inquiry met to
r s'tym. xfM9nt Ds; -Hart, the
only non-commissioned officer at the
scene Of the tragedy, testimony by
which attorneys for the mother and
sister of the dead officer hoped to
prove murder was committed.
"We will show that when De Hart
reached the scene three men were
standing around my brother, while
one was holding up his head," Mrs.
Rose Sutton Parker said today be
fore the session b;?gan.
"I know that at that time some
one was making an effort to remove
evidence of the murder. The man
who turned and gave the revolver to
De Hart did it in order to have the
hla me for the crime placed on the
non-commisisoncd officer.
'De Hart spoiled their plans by
throwing the pistol away. We will
develop before we get through with
De Hari the nanu s of all the men on
the scene and the part each one
played.
"Colonel Doyen's testimony was
most satisfactory. There is one point
wish to emphasize the various
witnesses are consistent at least m
the decided way each one contradict
ed the other.
"We never expected to prove our
:iase by the testimony of hostile wit-
nesss. When our side is niane
known, there will he no doubt but
that my brother was lulled."
To dispose of the rumor that but
ton had suffered from an earlier in
jury which had left him in a mental
ly unsound condition, Surgeon Plck-
erell.was recalled before De Hart.
Major Leonard asked if the wit
ness believed that Sutton's nose had
bten broken and had been restored
by the use of parrafin.
I do not believe anything of that
kind existed," Dr. Pickerell replied.
He declared that he would have
known of Sutton's condition if he had
ever shown signs of being crazy.
The witness said that he found no
evidence that Sutton's teeth had been
knocked out, but that it was very
dark and he could not be positive of
the exact condition. He admitted
that Sutton's face was swollen and
blood-stained and that a quantity of
blood was on the right hand.
Returning to the night of the
shooting when De Hart was called,
Davis asked the witness if he accom
panied Sutton on the trip to the .pa
rade grounds solely for the purpose
of recovering some clothing. -
You said at the first inquiry that
you advised Sutton to put - his re
volver away and use his fists," the
awyer said.
From that declaration I assume
that you must have had knowledge
that there was to be trouble. Were
you going with Sutton for the pur
pose of dissuading him from doing
something?"
I believe it was only to recover
clothes," De Hart insisted, v
"The witness persisted la stating
that hb couldn't recall all the events
preceding the shooting of Sutton.1
1'be attitude of the witness disturb
ed Mrs. Parker and her - mother.
l'hey had 'based their hopes to a
WOMEN
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great extent on the non-commissioned
officer's story and showed their
disappointment at the turn the case
had taken.
"Are you positive that all the
shots had been fired before you
reached the scene?" asked Davis.
"I am absolutely sure, of that,"
DeHart emphatically said.
Mr. Davis was unable to shake
the witness ia his statement that he
had no idea of - the identity of the
men he found about the prostrate
Sutton.
"Did' you go with Sutton to pro
tect him against himself or to pro
tect him from some ont else?" asked
Major Leonard, after Davis had aban
doned the grilling of the witness.
"A man with two guns didn't need
any protection. I went along with
Sutton to get his coat," DeHart in
sisted. "I saw his revolvers and
asked no questions."
The witness insisted to the court
that he could not remember who
handed him the gun. He vas then
excused.
Willie Owens, the boy chauffeur,
who drove the party of officers from
Carvel Hall to the parade grounds,
and the first civilian to testify, was
then called.
"I was at Carvel Hall the night, of
October 12, 1907, and took a p-irty
of marine officers from there at 1
a. m. the next morning," the boy
began. "I knew only Lieutenants
Sutton, and Adams by name. Ad
ams sat alongside of me and Sutton
and two more men were in the rear
sent.
"Sutton called to them to come on
and go with me: the other three
talked with Sutton as they walked
out to the car. They were apparent
ly the best of friends. Adams said
nothing on the way over, but the two
men sitting with Sutton talked all
the way over. They were in good
humor, laughing and conversing in
an ordinary way. ,
"The machine was running well
until we came to the bridge over tne
creek, when the high gear brol-jj
down.
"Sutton got down and paid me for
the trip. He then stepped to the
rear of the car. .lust then the two
officers who had been riding with
Sutton took him by the arm. Mr.
Sutton was stand ir wlt.h the .two
when MrrAdams ran at him as if to
strike him.
"'Go away, Adams: I 'don't, want
to have any treuble, 1 heard Mr.
Sutton say. I saw Adams run at Mr.
(Continued on Page Six.)
NEXT TARIFF SLOGAN
Reduction of Duties on Wool
ens and Cottons.
Said This Will be the Next Tariff Slo
Kan of the Pi-es'.dent President
Held Many Tariff Conferences lie
for the Cabinet Meeting Today.
(By Leased Wire to The Times)
Washington, July 23 Reduction
in duty on woolens and cotton, is to
be the next tariff slogan of the pres
ident, according to well informed
persons at the white house.
The president, had many tariff con
ferences before the cabinet meeting
today, going over the situation with
Senators Crane, Elkins, McCnmher
and Warren, and Representatives
Adamson, of Georgia; Slayden, of
Texas; Gardner, of Massachusetts;
Woodyard, of West Virginia, and
Smith, of Michigan.
It was learned on excellent au
thority at the white house that a
movement has been started from the
presidential office, for an attack upon
the schedules on woolens and cotton.
This movement has the hacking of
th president, who it is understood
will make It part, of his Tree raw ma
terial fight and it will be pushed to
the limit. This will mean a new and
vigorous fight as senators and repre
sentatives from wool and cotton pro
ducing states are on the alert for
just such a crisis, with well marshall
ed forces.
Ona senator from a western state
told the president today that he was
opposed to-free hides and free raw-
materials in general, not because
they affected his state, but because,
if the president obtained free hides,
a cry would at once be made for a re
duction on woolens. This is the atti
tude all along the line.
Representative Gardner told the
president he would oppose any reduc
tion on the grades of leather used in
the shoe' manufacturing business in
his district.
Land Under Homestead Act.
Washington, July 23 Approxi
mately 908,000 acres of land In
Wyoming were yesterday designated
by Acting Secretary of the Interior
Pierce as coming within the enlarged
homestead act.
'Up to date this makes a total of
it,fi84,0Sfl , acres of land so desig
nated In Wyoming. The land ia ques
tion is not susceptible of successful
irrigation.:
L
DISTANCE
ISKEPTBUSYBY
CONTESTANTS
Want to Know About the
Extra 50,000 Votes And if
Extra Subscriptions Count
WORKING IN EARNEST
One Young Lady Gets Five New Sub
scribers in One Day and Wants to
Know If She is Entitled to Extra
Votes if She Gets Another Five
Will !) Kntitlcd to -60,000 Extra
Votes for Every Five New Sub
scribers She Gets While the Offer
for Extra Votes is Running The
Trip One of the Finest.
Long distance wants to speak to the
contest department. Hello! is that the
eon test department? Well, I have al
leady secured five new subscribers and
am entitled to the 50,000 extra votes
I want to know if I get five more will
I get no.OCO more extra. This was one of
the many calls the contest department
got over Ions distance yesterday after,
noon.
Thin l.uly hns gone to work in earnest
mid is showing the proper spirit. She
is: not only working for herself, but her
friends are helping her considerably,
she Is I'lilitk-d to 50.0i:n extra votes for
every live new subscribers sent in. This
will be one of the most attractive of
fers made during the life of this contest
and if a c ontestant Is going to take any
interest whatever in this great contest
now is the time to get busy.
If this one lady can get five new sub
scribers in one day, why can't you get
Jive new subscribers in a week's time?
Think what this trip means to you.
T'j .tta jci ieerr.th4r.:brtMr.in.'--tpecial
Pullman trh'in, araln that Is provided -
with every convenience In the world,
and have nothing to worry or think
about, it being a personally conducted
tour and all arrangements made in ad
vance, you can just sit back and take
life with ease.
The following rules and information
will cover the contest.
1. This is only a subscription contest,
and advertising- will not be allowed to
count for votes.
2. Anybody can. enter for the race,
boys, jrirls, men and women.
3. There are no districts to cut you
out. and you can send in your sub
scriptions and have an equal chance
no matter where you live.
4. The four jieoole who have the
highest number of votes will be award
ed the trip.
5. Three judges will be selected on
August 2iU to count the votes and
award the trips to the four people
who bold the highest number of votes.
S. Many are asking what will be giv
en in the trip. The itinerary publish
ed hist .Saturday of the trip is what
will be given FREE. That outlines the
whole trip and tells what will be in
cluded free, of all cost to the contest
ants. We give you everything includ
ed bv the Seaboard in the trip.
7. Votes will bo given when money
is iiaid, and no Votes will be issued at
a later date for money paid now. Get
your votes when you pay. ,
, H. People living in other cities will
have the same chance to win as the
reople in Italeigh, because there will
be no districts and the four people hold
ing the highest will get the trips. Each
person will have the same opporunity
to win.
9. Votes cannot be transferred after
they have been published in the paper,
but until they are published In the pa
per the person holding them can do
as they please with them and vote them
for whom they please.
10. No votes will be issued On August
26th, tile closing day, but all sub
scriptions and money will be counted
and the votes issued by the judges.
11. Each week the vote will be Pub
lished In the paper and the standing
of each contestant will be given up tp
that time.
12. No coupons will be printed in the
paper good for votes. This will give
contestants outside of Raleigh an equal
showing in securing votes.
13. The following schedule gives tne
number of votes issued for payments
on account of and for payments in ad
vance. , Schedule of Votes.
$ .45.. 45 votes
$1.25 125 vpt
$2.50 29 v,otS
$5.00.. 500 votes
Payments Made In Advapce.
$ .45 .. .. ,. .. 200 VOtes
$ 1.25.. .. .. .. 580 votes '
50.. 1,000 vefM
$ 2.50.. .. .. .. .. 1,000 yteos
$ 5.00.. .. 2.SQ0 votes
$io.oo.. ..' 7,600 vote
$15.00.. 12,500 yijtes
$20.00.. .. .. .. ..2QJW0 VOl3
$25.00.. .. .. .. ..30,009 yates
SA1TKDAV EVE5I5G CAPJI4JU
: r Weekly, 85c per year. -
25c. one year.. w. .,......"...... 600 fote '
Sc. 2 years ..:.. I J5O0 ycte
Send all votes aai acbreaw" u cfttiXr
muniattooa regarding the eoaxat9
THE CONTEST MANAGER, 7 The T
Evening Times, Ralelglw N. C ,'.
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