Vou VUU I Of Commodore TKomaritxto CONTINUE!. -: Mr, Hay Bid these conversations take' place after: the declaration that you were no longer in the sefVice of the United States i A- The whole of them Col. Carrington, one of the Jury Did theyTake pla t in Ju ly ? A. Yes : I observed to him there would brno war, tho I thought there was great cau$e for it.Mr.Hay Had you expressed your dissatis- fo'tinri at thi nrnrfrlirre : A 1 eS 14 frequently ? Q. I believe yon made some publication on the sbbjtct ? A. I did. Q. Your first conversations were about building bridges, settling lands, jStc. A. Yes ; When Col. B. first returned from - the westward. Mr, M'Rae He did not express to ou his designs respecting the Oua chita land, until he had discovered your aversion tothe Mexican pro ject ? A; He nad not spoken paVti ticularly about the Ouachita laud ; but previously about speculations in the western lands generally. Mr. Virt Did he say at the latter end of July, that be was concluding a bargain for the Ouachita land ? A 1 think m, . Mr. Hay When he pro posed to make you, an admiral, did not the thought strike you, how he was to accomplish this ? Mr. Burr denied that Commodore T uxton had said "that he 'had promised to make him an admiral. Commodore Trux ton Mr. Burr told me hef wished to make or see me one, I do not par ticularly recollect which wak his ex pression.' He said there was a t for midable navy to be established. Mr. Hay. From What quarter of ;'he world was the expedition by sea to go ? A. Idoriotknow, I did not ask him where it was to go from. Mr. Hay Dtd you understand that you were to command the expedition by sea . A. Yes ? but 1 declined and asked no questions particularly on the stib ject. Mr. Baker-I understand you to say, that the navy was to beerect ed after the government was to be established ? A. Yes. Mr. M'Bae Did he talk of a naval expedi'ioi against Havannah : Burr that Havannah A. I told -Mr. could not bt taken without a naval fice, said that could be obtained. Cross-questioned Mr. Burr Did I not sav, I had never seen Lt. Jones I A. I do nr recollect that : j you spoke highly of him. Q. Doyini not recollect I sta 'led, if theTe was a war, t hat private ciUerprize and expeditions would bt lawful ? (Mr. Hay objected to the question, bccause'vSeemingly intend td for the Jufy .) - Q. Did I not talk severally ears ago about naval con cerns ? Did I'not say, that you were duped by the Smiths and others : that they had no.serious intention of serving you ? Was not that the rea son, that I wished jtounwcfd you fom the navy ? A. You did state those facts. Q Do you notfintl that I was right about your advance in the ravy ? A. I know that, Q, Did I not often talk to you about the settlement of land? A. You did ? Q. Were v. not iijtimate ? A. Yes. Q. Vas thereany; reserve between us ? A. None, ; Q. Did ypu ever $etr me say anything about d smembt ring thi tmion ; or seizing: on New Orleans ? .AV'No.' Q, Did I not ofien exVrt the pleasure ! should feel from dome Service to the common interests; of this country ; and of preserTihjr.a strong connection with my country men I A. You did. Qi Di0hh say that the periogues would fee use ful for the conveyance of agricultu ral products ? A. Yts ; and in war tor transports. Q. Had ycu reason to doubt my intention to settle land ? A. If there was no war, j I took for granted that such was your Inttn on. Q. If there was a war, Mex ico was invaded, and therhr,U. - ...v viniimin iavored U, would vou not he vre ? A. I would have, got out of tiiv t Deo at twelve at nio'Kf tn- . " England, France and Spam, if mv untiy hafelled Mr, M'Rae ld he speak of mny commercial peculations in which he Was abom .RaRe ; of auy commercial esta bUhmemsjM was about to form? A'i sPofthese(acmcQloftht EXAMINATION Otiachifa; and the hanging doym of agricultural produce. Q Were' te rcnarks which he made on y bur rjelaUon 'to the nayy, "calculated, to fill yqur,bpsoni with resentment, ? A. My bosom was already full enough but certainly Mr. Burr spoke in con cert with myfeelings. Mr. Hay Could any expedition at sea be made as effectually against La Vera Cruz from any other port in the western world, as New-Orleans ? A. Cer tainly 'not : It would be 9 very pro per place, or jfrom any place above the river.- Larger vessels cannot get up to NevvQrleans ; and Smal craft must take the expedition down, Mr. Parker, one of the Jury Did you understand for what purpose the. two courie fsw ere sent by Col. Burr to Gen, Wilkinson ? A, I under stood that ihere was ah understand ing between them about the Mexi can project. Mr. Burr are there not preparations, now making in Philadelphia, in contemplation of a war with Engfand ? A. Jn N York theie are. Mr. M'Rae, Are not the preparations going on openly ? Has any commander bern appointed independent of the vernmtnt ? A. Niu Mr. Botts Can ships be built secretly in the coiner of a oorn ? A. No. t kxamiriatign cf Peter Tayhr Mr. Hay, -This witness will di rectlv prove the connection of Burr with B'annerhassett, and hisconntc nefctioa wixh the, crime itsclh Peter Tuylor The first informa tion -I'had Uon this subject Was from Mrs- Blanneihassett, when Mr. Al ston anp Mr. Biapnerhassett w-re gone down the river. The people got much alarmed concerning this business, and Mrs. Blannerhrssett sent me to Lexington after Mr- Blan nerhassett with a letter to prevent Col. Burr from coming back with him to the island- T went- to Chiii cothe but I did nbt -firidV Mr. Blan nerhassttt there, and I went on to Cincinnati, I was directed to call at Cincinnati, at Mr. John Smi h's, where 1 youtd find Mi. Bfannerhas sett : I called at Mr. Smith's store, where 1 avv his son I asked if Mr. Smith was at home : be said yes ; I said I wanted to see him His son Went and told him, a man wanted to see him. When Mr, Smith cmt out, 1 enquired for Col. Burr and Blannerhasseit, to see whether he would give any account of them He allowed Lwas much mis.uken in the place. 1 said no ; this was the right place : " Mr. John Smith, storekeeper Cincinnati says I " Don't you recollect a young man who came herev some time ago for Col. Burr's top coat," (great coat;) I said, Sir, I have livtd with Mr, Blannerhassett for thf.e years." When Mr. Smith heard me talk so, he knew me, and took me up" stairs to talk wjih me. He wanted t . know the news our way, I told him the people had got alarmed. Itoid htm every thing that. was in agitation that they rlked about, the settle ment of lands. He seemed urpri ?ed He asked what was ia4 about Gen. Wilkinson. I sa; 1 knew no thing about it. He asked mr, if I would carry a letter from him, to Blannerhassett r I told him I would carry arty things it was, not too burthensorhe. So he set down and wrote a: letter He asked me whe ther. I wished to drink, for he hart chastised (charged) me not to go to nv tavern lest- the people should be lifting me with their questions. I drank, and then he shewed me a ta vern, and told. me to go to' get' my 'orse fed by the hostler, but not to go iptd the house. I asks. d him where I should find Col, Burr and Blannerhassett .He, said he expect ed they; were at Lex ngton. I told him I supposed atlVlr. Jourdan'sJ W hen I t-to;'L'?:rigtbri,;it'waU.4 tui day about V, o'clock. ; Mi.- Jotir-. oan happened to be irt the street fend Mis n .uic, nc aiQ,., reter. youi:4 uiu master ts not m;town," Uut ht saidl h expected him. either that: mgbrarly'in themormng; Ht ased me whiit he wst arid liM hi ml li asked him w hat $ ritfas to tlo witn i rny Aorse. He s&td that he was t bput at the livery stable.. He theni wtnt 3p btairs andhe opened a door thing. , Vhen I wenj In, there was Col. Burr. C6l. Burr wanted to fenow, what was the news in our parts. ' I began to tell hi mi that my business wa& to prevent Coli Burr front goin back to the island , (Q. Did you hot know Col. Burr at that time ? A; I did not. He had been on the isladd three times, but I did not see him ) When I told Cojonel Burr thai; says he, I am the very mart, involved in this piecei of busi ness ; and you must tell rne ll you know.' I said, you come up our.waVt the people will shoot you." I told him, it wa$ my sincere &p nion, t hit it was not.safe for him to come up our way. I told him that I had heard several declare, that they had rather shpot him than let it alone. He setmedsurprizedthat they should havcHuch a thing in their head. J told him I could jiot tell why ; and thfcn told him ablut the land settle ment, but the people said all that was a fib, and that.be had sdracthing else in his head. Then Col. ?Burr asked me what letters f hdd-r4Wd two, one was from Mrs. Blannerhas sett and the other from John Smith of Cin inhati. He asked me, if he might open the letter from J. Smith, for he expected it Was for him. 1 told him I supposed it made no dif ference between him and Blzumer-; hatsett, and he might. He broke' thv seal open, and shewed me that there wa a letter inclosed for him. He asked me about my wife, and af ter some talking, 1 asked him whe ther I was at liberty to go down stairs. L went down and U ft tne opened let ter with him -1 then went to. ;Mr. Jourdan, and asked him vhether I was to stay at his house or go to a tavern. He said I was to go a ta vern and he would pay lor me. Mr. Jourdan "wished me to go to Millers burg the next day, after the saddle bags left there by Mr. Blannerhas. sett. T-wynt and left Mr,. Blanner hiissett's letter with Mr: Joutdan, ex pecting Blannerhassett to get there before me. I got back n Monday by 10 o'clock j and there Blannerhas sett was command preparing to go home. Wre started St got 10 miles that night. We stopt at a tavern ; I went to see after the horses, arid he went into the home. There Were people in the house who wanted to kn w his name : he told them his name was Tom-Jones. He came out and told me the people in the house had asked, and he had told tnem his name was Tom Jones, and I must mind and make no mUtake but call him Jones too. So he pass ed by that name, till we got to the Mirdlicks ; he then told me he was known tberc,and I must Call blm by his own name. (Q. When did these things happen ? A. Allthis was Oct. 1806, 1 believe.) He then began to enquire for young men who had rifles; good orderly men, y ho would be conformable to order and discipUrie. He allowed that Col. Burr and he, & a few of his friend shad 300,000 acres of land, and they wanted young men to settle. He said he .would give any young man, UK) acres of land, plenty of grog and victuals while going down the river, and three, months provi sions after they had got to the end : every yoUng man. was to carry his ri fle and blanket. I agreed to go my sel f if I couki carry my wife and fa mily, but he said he must have.fur t her consultation upon thati WThen I got home, I began to' think and asked what kind of seed we were to carry with us ? He said we did' not Want any, (Mr Wirt Of what oc cupation were you on the island? ' A gardner. Mr. Wirt I put the uues tion tijat the Jury might understand his last pbsejrrati4n-l urged that subject to him several u mes ; at last ie made a sudn pauie md saidj Peter,we are going to take Mfexi co one " of the pnest and richest placesiri the whole world." Hei aid that Colonel Burf would be the IK. ng of Mexiccs. end Mrs. Alston was tobe, the Queenof -Mexico: ro soon as Cl. Burr died He saidsthat CoL Bufr had made fortunes for men Ui histime, but none for himseii ; ijurnovv he wasoing to nVake spme Jhi.crf.iCbi- hi rael f : Be 3atdthat he TjUU a great many friend' mv the Spa nish territory t 2009 Roman Catho- tc Priests, were engasrellVnd that! im1-" ", T.wmu I'JtM, ti oiicc-mr niardapjke the French, Kact, got tired si neir government an Ranted, to swap it. He told trie thaithe Enii 1 ts h al so were friends, in this piece, of ousrness, and tnal he wasfbe very man to fo to England oh this piece of business for Cojonel Burr. TO asked me if I would not like to iro ? f'lidll should 'certainly Tike to see my inencis tnere, 1 then, asked what waa to become of the, men, who were going'to settle the laiid he talked abbat I We ri? they to stop attlre ea uiyerj or go. on I saidv Yofsee how 111 fix thern;"wb en ne got them tar enough down the" riveiy j If they did not conform ta orfleranddiscipline, he swore by God he'd Matrthem. I wassastontshedJ: I told him I was no soldier, and could not fiht. He said it made no oddff lie did not want wis to fight ; he want ed me to go Sc live with Mrs. Blan rierhassett and the children,, either at atchei or iorne other plate, while be went on the expedition, t talked to hirri again j and told him tHe'pcb ple had got it into their "heads that he wanted to divide the union. He said Col. Burr and he could not do it themselves. All they cold do, was to tell the people t heconsequence of. He said the people there paid upwards, of 400,000 dollars a year, and never received amr benefit from Ujb.. He allowed it would be a verv tine thing, if they could keep that money among themselves, and make I cks and build badges and cut roadt. About two weeks after I got home, he sent me to Dr. Bennett's of Ma son county with a letter. He want ed to know if Dr. Bennett would not sell him the arms belonging to the Militia, if he could se!l them and keep them out of danger; if he could he'd give him a draftupon his friend in Kentucky for payment, if he could not, he must send him vord, where they were kept, & he would com:: St take them away in the ni,ht;-r I wasi not to give trie letter to Dr. Bennet, until the Doctor promised to deliver it back for me to burn it ; for tha it contained high treason , I did bum it.-The Doctor said he was unac quainted with the plot and could not join in if. Quetthnsdby the Prosecution. Mr. Hay when didiheboats leave the island ? A. It was-cbntempldted to sail on the 8th of December ; but they did riot come until the tenth (Sunday) 8c they sailed on the Wea nesday night following, Ques. How many boats wefe there I A Four.4 Q. How many fneri from the boats came oh shore ? A,- About 3D. Q What did the men do, wh did nut belong to the bpau I A. . Some were packing meat, and some were pack ing other things. Mr. MTlae Who went off on Wednesday night ? A Mr. Blannerhassett and Mr. Tjlei and the whole of the party. Q. At what time in the night ? A; About one o'clock. Q. Did all that came down to the island go away ?, A All but . one, who was sick. Mr. Hay Had they any guns ( A. Some; of them had some of the people wtnt a shooting But I do not know how many there were. Mr. Ji M. Sh'ep pard (a! JuryniahyWhat kind of guns ; rifles or muskets I A, I do not know. Q, VVem there any pis tols ? A. I saw none but Blannet hasseU's. Q, Was there any powder or lead ! I A. Both ; ;i sawjsome powder in a long snalvrrel11ike a churn ; but I was employed,' I could not notice particularly. oipe of the men were engaged in , running ballets J ? but I do'not know bow many. Mr. M'itaefiy did they leave the island hour of the night ? A. Because - they were in forriedf that the 'Kanawha ::mli la were comlngdowrr IthVre Did you carry some bbies to the boats ? I carried a half bushel : of candles and some brandy ; several boxes, were c rried, and a great many things of wfilchI know nothing. Mri .'liacy Wert? you pn. the Island, when they Went off " A, Xea they held a codn seT at thjlobt of a pier, to determine which Was thenest y?ajr to go Mr. Blarmerhassett said,' if he went in a cano, he Would be an easy pre ' I said tothemt best stick together 'A and so they determined to stick, to gether. K Theywentoffin great ljastc. qsrWhyditf thy goin'a body J A- Mricknarn : ou saw General lS 1 . er And ' Mm WnliJtt W i night? Arrest Q. AVasJDol. Mvr there I o.Jdi.m.Q:' uia you understand whetKerherwas. 111 tnat part ot .thetountffe Vat' -that.. time I'-understooiiSt":' . . ; Wednesday, AiJst?! ; , ExpmfyayontfGmrfc - T jSotrietime in August , iastilbpt this time twelve iuonth,my lather pinVa letternto my bands, signed A :'a&- Burri in whicli he said that himseirahisi'riend Col. Dupiesteft day. . My Mher TecJuerdTata my brothto.'go;jahd;; irteet Colonfr . Burr hjjh'we drd ; aSbut "t miles distant. Alter a- (e w wprdsjorgeneraj conversation, CJolonel Burr observed to me, that the1 union could not po$- sibly last, and that a separation of he'itates must ensue as a natural' cqnsetuen9e in 4 or 5 yearsj Colonel s Biirr made many enquiries of met relative to the county of W ashington: the discipline, armsv jaccrelqhents, t , arid the cbaracterofit$ofrVcers. These conversations continued'.some timc ; besides other things which I cannot ' rt collect, because I did not expect to be called . upon in this way : after travelling some miles, we met ene of my workmen, a likelyjyoung fel 6vi Colonel Bhrr said, heKwJShed he had 4 10,060 such fellows. At my . father's table, during dinner. Col,, Burr again observed tBattiie sepa ration of the union nst take place inevitably, in less than five years.- V (Shall I give the answers that were made? Mr. Wirt Perhaps, it may , serve to connect your narrative bet- ttT,y I recollect that it was my father who answered InmGod forbid ! Ciil. Burr In the course of Cdnversatiort observed, that wi'th 2 or 300 men, he could drive the. President arl Con gress into the Potomac, and with 4 or 500 he could take possession of t he city of New-York. After diriqer, he walked with me to my brother'sV.and on our return, spoke of military men, and asked me if either ,tf my brothers had a military turnr'. !; He 'said he should like to seeiny brother fieorge at Chin head of a crps;pf Grenadiers; he was a fine, sttfut looking fellowv These tircumstances induced me to speak to my.father: I warned him 1 to beware of Colonel Burr, ;told hina that in the rouise of tlut night, Col Burr would attempt to have an inter- view with him, and would make a rvrquishipn of my hrother Tom, to go with him ; and that I suspected something was going on. The next rnornirig I rode with Colonel Burr to ihe town of Washington, about 9 or 10 miles. We had owch conver sation principally on rmlitary affaiis; on 'the stalls. dfheiliWthe ne cessitybl -attending to'miiitaryiscip hne He told me., that in New-York I the militia Were in gdbd bRJerJvhiqh ' T3 yiougm aoout oy tne innueuce and exertions'of a single individual (Mr. Swartwoiit ) Colonel Burr ask ed rrte, if I- thought T could raise a ' vnmivin hi asi'jwiuu gomujj. or ,i whether I coiild raise one with more - j; ease in New Jersey . (MrWirt. Vou have lived in New-Jersev ? A. r Yes.) At Washington, we? took a walk ; Colonel BurrCU.0upieiter and myself j vdowri the tcW; airft pointed out tojhim the house ffhVre . MrvBradford lived, who. had been at the head ofth We&ti r.insuectfor, He entfuired: about Mr. Bradford. j (He was at Baton Kouffel I told 111 rr . nia tm wac tit wrr, inn 1 3k. 1 ; tiui r cspresseu a wisn to see him. . D i i . . ,- '. ' Coionel Burr mentioned to rne , that he had met with several. Ytofin nanies I do tibt MCDtectJ whb had been enlaced in the Western rection 5 and iJartif idarl si AT iiM r -s-' 'thi-'KbnhAyttirh.' aerfjtt who . had told hirrt, that if he was eter en gaged in a sim ilar business he pledg eji himself ifshould not end without bloodshed, He said hahc; Wa a hie fellbw It was on these carcuni tanccs, that 1 advised Tt0htiko -BprisHeliisJaet States, that sornethm g if as goiog fc: - waru - Questioned by the;Frkeculiefn Mr. Hay Which war duthe-iv? A v I saw; him leaver Wtshinletpn For -.1- ! t M ft 'I IV. '5 Y if 't 4 '18 r. f 4 i V 1 3 IV i ';