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r ' ' . ,'.. I : v ' 1 ' ' g mm ii mm . " t t VA' - . - ' A''A- ' A v . . " -- . . - . . . . - LEGISLATURE. HOCSE OF COMON-S.-Nut. 19. . . cf EJcctorsCoiiiinuvd. ' Mr. Cameron exprctsedliis rr grc whc propMitibo he h3d made, for .ffocd him of d,Sco,r.g BKiits of that proposition, nc ' ,Jcld not now trouble the Houe ; T- v;o, been refaseH, he wuhed d iaie a few remarks oq the proprr -.r .p-.ktBCf rut. nod on the act of ! ...tion which the resolution be te the House WfflZK id rcprttiri; the argument wnicn bctn addled by the. gtndem.n frasi Salisbury to prove rl be ntt unconstitutional, it it at lean a bold infringement on the long. excrcued Hgtta of tHe people. tVhn khii State came into the U- c;on,byedopupg the Constitution of tfce United States, it oecanic ryfbr ui to elect Electors immediate U. The General Asembl of 1792 winded for the emergency by an act Tut different from the act ofjast ses siwn. They did not provide for their tlcrticn by joint ballot. They had cere respect for the rights of the perple. They directed that the mem bersomiflg fron. the several Supe rior Court District should meet and elect their proportion of Electors fre-aeaenv- As it was impossible to rtferthe election at that time to the wople themselves, this' was doing the tt ia their povrf r. . If, then, as car ry ss 1792, the Legislature recognl zed the district principle,. how has it bpp-ned that atthtilate day adiffci tci mode has been rciotted to ! By the law bf bst session; it is m:de the duty of this General As semUy to elect Electors by jclnt bal. lot. Btit is it the imperious duty of this Assembly to obey the directions bf the last I Vbat right had thev to say we should do this or that? They in J we derived our power from the lame source, i ms shews that we cacoot be required to carry any law into effect which our judgment do not approve. It is competent for us, therefore, to enquire into the expe diency of going into the election by joint ballot or of adopting some o thcr mode of electing Elector. Does the election by joint ballot, promise oore good or a better result than the district principle ? What" Is joint hallot J Is it a college where every oaa has in equal vote ? How ought tlie Electors to be chosen. I, Notac ecrdicg to geogTapMallires, but ac-' cording to nwritr&ryttizt enables to determine. JDtJany Electors e ire entitled tiQt the number cf cur counueii &4e nun?ber of oar inhabhanU.VifSn we Have as certained the timber of ' members of Ccnmss to whichTtre are entitled, hich is done by coUiing our num bers, by addbg our Senators to this niiber, we have the 'number of our factors. ? Shall we, 'then, by going a jobt ballot, depart from this coacct course? .' ' 'Thia Sutc contains 487,000 inha ats, which rives us, at 55.000 s or a .Hepresentative, thirteen Rf presentatives in Congress. Uutlf elect Electors by ypvtf of the L ;Jliture, observe - how unequally " ihlncr will Arvrot.. J rrnnti 1 m, . only ki the -flection. st tltycn small counties coV&in ! : -w.o6o souls, (a less nuthber than J c two counties above-named) will ; e thirty.four votes in the clecdobi ii eight of ihelarneit "iiitiet. )? uioinj 1 174' inhabxtaatt ' i ooc "erof the number of tJjewtoJe -) Will have.twentvlai .ttitM: 1 ; ; wUroas, according to their po.x 'Are gentleme'n representing these larke countiei, asked 1 Mr. C?ifeady to surrender the influence which they ought justly to'have in this election I J i : al ur can genuemen wnoreprcscat men small conntics claim an equal influ- ence wan incir orcuireo irom men large counties; ne trusted uiey pos expect an equality "of weight 'in the sefseu more mirnaninmy inau luiirieiu ko acu avidc election. . If, said Mr.; C. we go into the) election accoTdinc to nuraoers, we go into it oa ruai grouuu, sou k ap- pearcd. to him the bounden duty of the Lesrishture to follow correct prin- ciple regardless of consequences. rJr A r rhie lf if Khnillri . hnvit the effect to divide the votes ot the in looting into we oonsuiuwon oxiiwnicnnas peen quotea. .ine pain the United States he found that hum I construction of the articleus, that the 1 bers were made the true basis of elections, and he cbuld not consent to place them on any other footingi Without expressing any opinion on the propriety of adopting the amend ment proposed by the gentleman from Salisbury, should the motion to xtnie out prevail he should vote tor u striking cutJ' in the hope that the district principle would yet in some form prevaiU-khat while it was his sincere wisn that the State should have its vote in the approaching elec tion for President, it was eqdally his wish that it rbiild be given, on cor rccxpnncipics., v - Air. Darnel observed, that the gen dcrtian from Oranse was in favdr of striking out, because, in an election by joint ballot small counties would have an equal number of votes with large counties. The constitution of this State has not founded the coun ties on , t quality of numbers. It Is Impossible to make counties equal for any length of time. The Constitu tion was framed by an equal number of delegates coming" froth .unequal cotnVies, and the members chosen from the States to assist in forming the Constitution of the U. States par took of this inequality. All the laws of the State were made by men elecXi ed under the Same inequality of po pulation; . I he object ol gentlemen in the op position is very )lain It fi either to voice at all in the Presidential Elec ion; or by dividing our votes, - make the weight of the State little better than a cypher. ' Division seems to be the object df the gentleman from Orange., He could not gather from what tell from him whether; he considered the act of last tession dnconititutidnal or hot. He wishes the Electors xljosen from ihe several districts. If that were the case, our lorce would not form a solid column. A part of the votes would be one way and part another ; by which means the weight of the State would be diminished. As to the consfitutional objections brought forward by the gendeman from Salisbury. -They have been so fully canvassed in the public papers, that it seemed needless to make any remarks upon them. He would, how ever, make a few observations in re- The gendeman had delivered to the house a long lecture on the nature cf the Constitution of the U. States, which' mjght have been very well if we naa ocen aooui forming a consti tution, or amending lu But the question before the housc,'in his view, rcsolveditself into a singlo pointy hi ther the law of last session is in con formity with the constitution. v t a The article of the constitudon on .which this law is (bunded, is the one read by the gentleman from Sahsbur! ryji who contends that tnough thecon vendon authorised the Legislature to direct the mode of electing Electors; they had no right to elect them them selyes. , He introduced the opinions of many cninent men in confirmation of his construction: '4 But ct the. timel fur.; iiza ison , ana. ,uen .;Xian)ilton wrote their book- in- support of the CoMtitadonf 'theTc. wa great opposi tlga.to .the adoption of it, and'h ww j J necessary for them to make use of the strongest arguments in its favor. Neither of therri say that the -Legist latures are-efzcluded from appointhig t?i.-. y':j a- r'ltF r. sectors, ixor aoauy oi me mem bers of the Virginia Convention? say so. ii iney oe not preciuaeq I xrom acting, ne contenueq II gives to the Legislature I directing the .manner c lectors according to a well -known ruicoicoastrucnon, wnata manoroo uy ui ioca cau-auiqnsc aooincr o, do, he or they can do therhselvcs ; the Letrislature micht elect. ; j I It would be a waste, of time tofol- I low tht frrttlem'lri frnm Siilihtirv through his grammatical . criticisms Legislature may, if the cisethe power of electing Electors. Whan Ko' .it.tAM an.av. -.1 . . . ' . ' V . - ( - o 1 " T O - yincy snau oe cnosen oy me peo- pie, and the Legislature is prohibited from making the choice : and when Senators are to be chosen, the, Legia trie, act passed in 1792. He had the latures are directed to make the choice honor to be a member of the Legisla But when Electors are to be appoint- cure at that time. v When the first ra- ed, it is left discretionary with the Le-1 cislature ro annoint them themkelvps. or to direct them to be elected by dis- A . . T . J tricot or by general ticket. It is not a right that belongs to the people to e lect Electors, but to the Legislature, and they may give it to the people if they, think proper. . tv . Whatis the Legislature ? Are not the members appointed by the peo. pie i They move the whole machine, ueir xeprcscuiaiivca apeaK uieir will in chusing Elector. It thtmera bers of Assembly - were out bf the reach of thfe heonle. thearmimenn of gendemen would have some weight 5 but coming immediately from them, as they do, they have none. If, said , Mr. D. the authority of greatmenis to have, we ght m this question, is not the opinion ot Jona- than I rumouut noger Uriswoia,lvir. Bayard, Mr. Otis, Mr. Adams, Mr. 3 m , . Gerry, Mr. Clinton and others, wor- thy of consideration : And would not the practice of Georgia & South Carolina have some weight in favor of the course proposed to be pursued. The Sutes of Delaware and Connec ticut have always elected their Elec tors by their Legislatures. Several of the other States have resorted to various modes. How happens it, then, that the discovery should be first xnade in North Carolina that an elec. tion of E'ectors by the Legislature would be unconstitutional : Have we men of superior information to those of anv other State ? If so, he congra- rulated himself and felicitated the people of North Carolina on the oc casion. '- This question, Mr. D. observed, had been so much argued by every description of men in the7 State, that it seemed useless to say mbre. Eve. ry man naq maae up nis mma upon it; It had been the test at the late e Iection ; and whatever vmay be now , said on the subject will, have little weight.. ' a. - ''a, 'f, In 1792, the first vote which N. princip tion had just been fully -discussed ; when men wno'assistea in tn? iorma tion'of it were members-of the Le; gislature. ,rf it had f been7 supposed that such a law had been unconstitu tlonal would nVnfJof tidescriptibn have consented to act under it I orich' an idea cannot ber entertained. ' But the people of;N. Carolina were , then united as one ; Familyr--but we are. ihoW, unhappily too much divided. Antecedent to the adopioaof. the Federal " Consdtutlon, the thirteen' United States lived tinder Articles of ConfederatidnEach of j the States had a right to Jiave a certain number of delegates lb ;,the old ;Cohgrs. It is reraarfeablethac'thevirticleia the old Confexreratiodwiiich authorised iHs' election of Delegatesv Js aaiaa wQrisSntfi thev jatticla parolina ever gavefor ElectoriJ was given by the Legislature i at a ' ti me when the principles of, the Cbnstitu 1 A ' present Constitution which directs the election of Electors ; land bfe ''wbnrd ask the geritlcmaTFto who harl cbnsideraDie1:f i . v - i : i' , . v Ai J ousiness or .tnose duv Delegates were chosen I whose choice was 'directed in precise iiy me same terms with our Ejectors were ajj latures; suhie tf- jlstitution meant that the-same inter 1 1 nrpratmn htonlrf htm rnf itnnn if? - . 1 he motioio.strike out, is made sionts.unconstuutipnAl ;U 1 could for7 a moment believe that this mover r bnt, as he did not, he wasde II aiwAna vSt M'di) "1 .11' . U -. . ro w - :.-V mr rTaia, ne rose repiy If to aa-observation of the gentleman last up. who had laid erreat stress on 1 tio was made, N. Carolina had . not I accented ofifie f!onatitution : at the 1 second; she had accepted of iC but il - o l j . ' i j " the S tate hid not been laid off into districts; The Assembly concluded, therefore, to elect the ' Electors by members from the several superior court districts. He was one of those members. They afterwards divided j the State into. Electoral District; and it has so remained ever since. The. icuucrnan nau spoken ui uic ucucroi Assembly having ejected Delegates to the old Congress. - That was then the nrar.rire v There wa then no President elected by the People, with, powers any thing like those possessed by that officer at present ? nor couldJ the laws then enacted byVCongress have opeon upon untnthey were acted upon by ' the 1 btate. legislatures, tie was mxaror of postponing the appointment of E- . r :.rl v j 1. 1 lectors, that some better mode nrtgh be adopted than electing them by joint ballot of the two houses. tiebatc to be continued. By the President UNITED sVA'iES OF AMERICA, 5 A PROcrSMATioN TX7HEREAS intormatipn naa beeareceiTea 1 VV . that a Tinmrrof individullsi-who have uflJ nsihle of their offences, ind at desirous of returnmz to their "duty : " A ' full pardon is hereby granted ana pro- claimed to each and ail sucn inaiyiouaia as siiall. withm four months from Athe-date here; of, surrendtr themselves to the )ccntttag officer ol any military post wunm jne wnuw u I Slates or terntor tbe- ? the seallcf the fruited States to j f 1 s.) be affixed;, to these presents, and Signeoie .same witn , my nana. r Done at the City of Vasbinontne eirth day of October, A. i Dt one thousand eixht 'hundred & twelve nd of the Independence of the United States, the 'thirty-seventh a JAMES MADISON; the President, r- . ".' s' v -7 a ' JAMES MONROE, ecry of State. An Accommodation --A T'HE Mail Staze from R to Fa I vi'.Ie. haviner of late been " very much crowded wiuV Passengers, so as" not only 10 make traveling very uhcnmfortableburfre. quently to disappoint persons desirous; ol pro curing seats therein, the Subscribers,, in order ro accommodate -Travellers or this road, and especially such as wish rather to travel by day tnan;by night, hive determined to establish an AecoMMonatio2Z: Staob between Ra leigh andyHyetteville; vtbtch will leave Rat leigh every Monday, .Wednesday ;nd Friday, ii o'clock ; A; M. And .reach Fay etteyUle at 8 o'clock P. M. ; and leave Fayettevilfe on the same days at the same nour In the roorn- rag,' and" reach Raleigh at the same iwjar is thecvenifl:'-'U a- -tAs tnis Estabh'shmebt wil be attended wiu very considerable expence to, the Proprietors' they, flatter themselves mar me juducj wui ne disposed to give thtm support in their tinder. takmA- a g:pVfV:SCOTT-; '.'j A A . Arr llIL.r.UX JUILUAirAt VI "-rctit i6t i . i I Y-A: fX;TliVfirs next.v at is expccTsa caar aw tvccomiaonatiojr men, uney were cnosen oy tne legislatures iunAowjeapy ine ww ; -a ' : oDsiuuuon peopie-; v.;.c ..;-t '.JMy'ilIrl .?fv:.?'fr?-'j-Hn:'x..t'e the power of .If, them the delegates from tKe Jif- m .r. ii r. - ; . ' ' ' .f electing E? fereot States to the diCtonereM OoUaB :Rerdfef 4 Sduthwaydiar. rVfr sieCii pBWi Iti.OUrJltitteNorthwvAr)-' :QMi2z Oo tbcTlljih jlaylxf ;Ueesm6eiyS rota the. sobscriber'a stafcte. ; oMoraay nigntt&e i4Ui mst. t large dare & frearinjpt yok pef haps oo: bi ferehead. lie ra ot. 9r "FfZ.'. A,1zJ-:,nSliLi-TL-L-. 1 stxliIe,CQe;af stiif hind feeKreiieJad4: I a natural trotter, inclined to be'fa'ay $ but xtCj rt''heiNOSjwiM' V iheheiwlf f 4 a.? months credit viveniVTheeVwUlt-J 1 ll.Tr Lvt " l ,1 :".!. ' . . : .' i- io me ail . reasonable r expences ;paU.' ittr ; Hjji... w:il Ai'iil" -V-.-.tl'- oibeihieft wh6ill nooubt tiisfigarfe thVhone in of der to prevenr is bing known t A N; B; A Mr Careiry naTbeei "in" tbiri habit of horw driving, ltfjf-t on'thp' ''f sarne evening unhorse vrtl taJken . He is a A person of about o; teetniglH Sor aw .'years Of' f Re. tolerably weil Dri?ortfoned. liai a detee- l? jomts J dp not mtnuort this. by trypfJ' cniing said Carey r but, merely of rVquetiag gentlemen who kay : have stn him peu to . westward, to bring .uandwhethejr bf ic company ; and was heard to remark, twelve months ago, that, .hbcsc, stl woajd bei i Hqr THE Trustees ot;Hyco"Aca -rrMl I -completed an elegant Brick House ja.'.i'V s ; y;c ' ham to 1 sterintendlthis Loktitmidn the jSuT ' Kyf j nemlyualSy him to discharge he daaeiai I tached to his staridn. English Langvage c ' grammatjcaliy; the tatm and Greelc, Languv inemoaererjcespr4Joaraanauiupn7iu -r Jf.' Seminary. 'The Exercises wJl commence on the firsi of TJannarT;:,:18ia' ?:;Th-: Twatees-.t pledge their anenon 0.: teVric.:Th highest price of'Tuitibrt 'S and, varied as necessary. Board on ; moderate .terms' may bek ' procured at th Hed House,, wtthm tialf a imde of the ' Academy, Where' arradgememi 1 have been made to receive' ten es- fifteen Stu. dents, uThe.strictest auentk)n will be paid to their condnct and nicrils. , " . At which piac- an "a&iottroent cf Latin. Greek fand rniliawB6salMv;oft, ban4 for sale. fbtMhe aucmr&ocation of ; ihe 'Siu-: deDts. Board also may be procuitd ra the neignomooo adjacent, to tr Acaoemy. I : : 1 !. " A 111 ". " A"1 ' "' D ETURN their gratefal acknowI dgeruenu XV to thexr friends and tht public, for their- l;ith'i. tWmenel'n hrfnes1itf &iJ WtKK'A- r tj 1 m mnn s1.. inpnr frnvr n.w rT m up. i . I ivn NnrfflltA : AAi - Iy iA, AiAi from .Norfolk. u fr " Vs. 9 Bought viih Cash, which will be sold the Petersburg pneeib wilh tim sdditicn of car. . ' ahoutA IVell laid in. KAUM which will be efredat & .r a 1 yerj: fair, prices ; nd navng deserrnined to5 !AA";:lii tde'lue'iMogots aawlll always' eiiablel t;;'j them to suppiy.uaose , wno lavor themvvitai ther.custom on thelowest termsiA v ;-.f .,- :.:A , 28i812:; ' - AAA:,A acharles w. brewer; fcjCo wm AVE just WyedV atjd are hpw tatMp j iohe house Mtelv ocb by Messieurs ? ; JilMy &&ml&&i& general asort.;A- A; AV AA1 I n AHMia A n 1MB t . S Am. mm mh- mi - ... , .5. i reduced prke tegASH ; ,! HErlUBSCRlBER mi'kM he ncwocciipieljS deems" if9necesaafftto i& ipart wte-Bi 5. j sCriutjonas he supposes any person inclinable SMl to pMaaseiJvWthemlsetM perty rwsseises,? eitrtetai ti cotrvenieiiHrfveintiSii iit m duai: if not suoerW; to any Irf A'fta?.!? ptacvaad pexhaMnct larpas a; 4 i - Si I Ai.Ali 0 ' y ; r v. Si n v. V'A" ;a 1 fS 1 A 3 -:Ai 1 mil ,;AiAO'i k -. if-. . n r ' A i 1: 1 A r f -A 1 . " A V'AC.Y a r v .. . . - . , . 1 -VA'
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