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POLITICA TIJM tH IALTUOH a muiiuui Between Gaiu Titws oo rouucu ftbixy:.. - Gahis . Well neighbor Titus, how d'tira:'go with you? The pete pu-rfy must, ere long, prevti!. V TttvM. I hope u will, neighbor Gvus. . ' ... G. Do you to? What? you have haageu yeur principles, , then : have rou come round to our tide ! Well, rou I always took you tor a man ot sense T. No clungc at al! ! X have .uni formly been the friend of peccei G How ! oot chanted ? and a friend to peace ? Why vet rubber, have ru net generally defended the justice and pt opr icty ot the wir 7 T. Certainly I have, and I do G. Hey day, neighbor: why, you are quite paradoxic! ; you contradict vcitjc'.f. Y u wy you axe the friend cf rnacc, and yet vim defend tfie war. 1 NVw it seems to me, that he wrvvad- ate? war caont heartily vih for pca.c! lib a coou -diction in terms, T. Your zeal, neighbor Gaiu-s, Joes not allow you to. tee ' that you '"ut?ke a pun for a truism. You are the fneod of peace; so an I. In that point we orec Hu: p- ace may be enjoyed upon various conditions, A nation msy rrpoie in a state of the most profound peace, and 'yew- ery individual of. the nitnn be a slave Oic nation may be in abjec ncn to another, nd the vas.il u'iti ;n tcicv uninterrupted peace. For m part, I will accept "Dvther- of these erudition cfpeae. I insist up-n tair, iust. tcoal end houorblr.erro. In a word, I would cherish peace as the fm of b'tvinffs. but I u ill not tOurt r it at the expense of sacrifices degi forcibly drive out a tenant although dicg to a freeman. ; the house may unquestionably belong G. Aye, aye! now you arc upon to the landlord. The owner must F'cndVstilw : 1 sec what yc:u wuulf) ; proceed as the law directs. It a p'er bs4 : you are for Bonaparte's no- Son oves you money, can you go and lions. jtnkr the amount out of the money-till I. Not at aTl. , . olhisihop? G. Vetoes ! you are for the con- I G. No, no 1 1 don't say that. But tir.mtalxyiUjn. for the treaty of U ! thst is a different case; for if you tr cA, and all that ; you wvut free j were to permit a man to pay himself step free geoas Ah ! neighbor Ti- in that way, rogues would avail them rjs,you are gone .a gone ron you selves of the practice, and take mo it' cow under French influence ! 'ney when it was not due. i'rer.ch itMence ! FrencA infiueme Sit T. Exactly That is the. thin?! fr I 1 . Not quite so fa:,ne:griborGai- j ii you allow the, untt&n to searcn ror u. li.vtc-d tif railing. Ut us reason their, seamen on Ooard ou? merchant a lutle upon this subject. j vr tselsl they,wili take seamen that are G. Weil, IcVus hear your reason, Americans. And this vou know has tsoucallit. been the consequence of the practice 1 affirm then that the repuhli of what Js cal'.ctj imprestmtnt cans of the United Sutrs do not ak G. You argue pretty closely, neM& Great Ui ita;p 'to. admit what Bona .bor but teU me, I-beg of you, why, r'tc may rhotie tocail the contineri- I f a Brit'uh officer, may carrv off a ial svstem; they do not ask her to ackr-cul-fjjre and vis ions iif the trea cf ftrecot. ,-: C No ? f T. No. neighbor, thev do not. j G. What do thrv require ? Come, 1 l kern nu to the point- 1 T. Why, thry ak nothing more , irT Q'eat Brit:iin than ihat she tlrkM I.VitliftiUv"nbsfr-fe the old cs-! th!i5hrd la of natibnr. ' G. What! dq you deny that you ito eacmptour men hant vesek t'cm bright cfctrdi ?. And will pretend th:t the right of search is f-i u:horMcd,by thebw of nations? Ah! rrivcwd iriend, these rivht of sear rA,r,uie the cause - m il a eat deal of dilution.1 1 1 hei c? is lfht of search sdmiUrd ' by thr law f rations, rxd n richt of tieatch claim by Gieat Britain, buiW cdntUcd r.atliw. i 4' ' . t . C How can that be ?(J Pray, cx 'o ' I. ' T. I will. - The. right; of search ch ihe law,o( nations admits, is a fch for enemy's property on bord v antral mercrumt vttiels. I his is 'i;u which. the. United States do oppose. , It is not. only. an 'esUf, 'd rtr;ht, butit.it also a rcsona--rr; fwra ac:ral natiBn wcmld f depart frorh ts ieurraBty if it were.to Uo for a belligerent 'power what that power could only da for itself ia tine jj)care. To prevent a neutral's do thi that is, to prevent the clan estine transportation of encmy'a pro perty, the right of search is allowed. G. Ycui seem tobe very learned in the law, neighbor. "You appear to be a ma nof nice distinctions I T. If "you do" not distinguish, bow Lean you judge ? Suppose I wcrevto assert tfcsj a man nas a ngni so xva ncbody.wonld deny the truth of it, JJUtcouiU itDCincncc inicrrcamai rain has a right to' live by thieving ? Certainly not, neighbor Titu The right to live, clearly implies the r i ght to live honestly, according to law, nod not otherwise, T. There we agree. And it is precisely this kind of distinction that the republicans rn ike with respect to the right of search There ii an in ditpuuble richt to search for enemy' ditpuuble right to search tor enemy property and the right has been even extended to the seizure of persons in f the 'military service of the enemy But no where, that is, in ncrlreaty, tn no book of public law, is a search for 1 unarmed individuals stated a part of the taw of nations, or the right to seize and bear them cffacknowledged. The right of search refers to. things belong- ing to the enemy of him who search- ei, and not to things belonging to the searcher or to the neutral, who is searched G. Very well neighbor Titus. Yet, if an ofS :er enters a ship to search for enemy's property, anil in the prosecu lion of the search, find there a sub- jrrt of his sovereign, may he not take nim and carry him oft in virtue of the Subjects, allegiance ? May a man oot tike hi own wherever he finds it? j T.- Not at all neighbor. A man mav mover his 'own tn the manner vhtch the law prescribes ; but he can. j not tale it by force upon his own mere xuili and motion. A landlord cannot You have, hit the rrry nail on the bead, j merchant vrssel from her course tor having enemy property, on board, he may nlt take? (f British seamen vyhen found among the crew of such vessel ? If he has a right ip Uke his enemy's p - opeity he may certainly take hi own i If I argue losely, friend Gaius t think you reason cunningly. Yet there is a vrrv sufficient answer tO I ycur question, in the nrst place, tne search lor enemy property ispermit- ted by the law ot nations, whereas the search for persona (except for such as nfr in the military service of the e cemv) f not. The one, therefore. is a UWfut act ; the other is not law ful. This, of itself; is a very broad and conclusive line of distinction. In the second1 place, the property of an enemy, although seized and carried into pore it not- cpprcpritited to- the sovereign's' use. unttlj it- it irlrd. in A eourt of admiralty and condemned. cc cording to. known Jaws -but when. a seaman-it seized, he is at once appro; pfiated to actual service wilboui lega) trial, and "without'Iudgmcnr If you josufy. the uking of men Sunder the right ol searcn tor property, you ne cessarily"7 admit ! 1 thnt the rule Ubf ripht ought to be'obierved in relation to persons aJ well o tn gotd' Thj subject, in that case, ought not to be put into service until he has had ttfair n earing in a courx or justice anu nai been proved what he is alledgeu to be Enemy V property is riot condemned it is proveq tobe .such. G. Do you think that the kiog can wait for the tedious forms of'th.e law, in order to procure trie eryjcea of hip subjecta. a T. ' TeQysfom$pfttifay I Why bleis me, .GaiusVar? yoy a freeman ? And talk thusl What "would become of you, and me, and a'l of us, if it wpre not for the forms of the law? If our fathers had argued as you do' We j roignc sun nave cku qepcuqams qi Great Britain ; for what did the Bri tish ministry ask before our Revolu tionary war cbmnfcncedi but the right to take our mbney without the forms of law: in other words, to tax us with- out bur having representatives in par liament ? vhich is! contrary .to the constitutional law of a free state. Sup pose 'vou owed me money,' for the payment of which JI coo!d;hot conve nientlyrait the time whirh tke forms oj the law rendered indispensable; would you think it. right that t'ah'odU afcfc hold of you (I Dein the tti ong- er i and rate the turn uue to me out t pour pocket ? Would you think it a sufficient excuse in me to sav I could not wait for the tedious forms ofthe!aiv? Vovid vou not makt a gret outcry, and try to Have me pun ished ? G. ' Well ; perhap it may be wrong to send British seamen, impressed from neutral vessels, into service without a hearing or regular judg- ment. l think nevertheless, the kins; has a right to take them. T. Thm you think the king has a rirht to do a thing not lawful- But I you must not forget,neighbour Gaius. that the king of Great Britain, what ever he may do within the limits of hia own kingdom, can exTcie no right with respect to other cnuntrie 1 wnicn the taw oi nations ooev nos aanction. That is a position which you cannot controvert. v If the law of nations gives him uch a right, I will thank you to tell me where I can find such law ; !f it dues not, he clearly has none- But, putting this part of the question entirely out ofdipute you must confers that even if the king has a right to take his ozsm sabjecu, he has no right to take American ci xens, G I grant that Bu, then, you mustltow that you naturalize British burn subjects ; and these you caH A- .mertcan citizens, it is ci tnat wntcn the British complain.. T. The naiuralizttien. of foreign- en, neighbor" Gaiu is not a party; question, it is provioea for uy.-tne constitution of .the -United States ; which is proof: tha.t. it was a point , a recd on by the wise men who fram-; cd that instrument. And indeed why- should we not naturalize them ? (?: Britain do en tt. Have Aot the Unit, cd States a right to dor as a nation, what Britain has a right to do ? G. Ah I The British are. an old nation I . .s T Indeed, is that our. argument?. Let me put the case home to yoy ; You are thirty years of age ; Ijantj'.fif ty. :Are not your rights as, a man e yMato.mine ?xThe moment you wefe twenty one,,you were of ao i, the be? ing pf agejwith respecttp individual ia the sanie as being independent with regard to nations. As soon as the na-. tion is independent, the is equal as. to rights to anyotljer nation. Rigtifs,r among equals are reciprocal. What one may do another may '-do. It Oj Britain naturalizes native American ciuasns, the, United States maynatu ralize; native ,BriH8hwbjccW.,4 , ' G-: Aye, aye i butxui wnjtp.em nlov.in our merchant vessels .British bprn subjects.who,. .1 . Br no,tneani iUn.the contra t rr audit; mail be .within your own' recollectibn, that , to distinguish bin' tween citizens of the Uutted "States an J foreigners who were not citiJens,' an act'of congress wsls ' parsed on the 28th1arMj, 1796, wherebyrthe tol: ectera' tr- costuma t- trctQ0 to, crant certificate bF.citiaenshiPi twVichvcettificatei have since obtain ed - the 'name . ot protecttonsi :inat act was appr'bVed W General WasK- J xuijton ; wnicn snows ne was iu:a- vor of Vrlcctintnaju G Yes, , neighhSf, f Titaai' But. L British JBeamsTn have. taken advantage. ot tnat taw ; ana py penury nave procurea proteqtipns,vov wntcn uiey have passed f for Aherican .citizens. T. The best insumjtfons may be abused; The existence of the :dct, notwithstanding is full evidence that the American' government did hot wish to encourage the1 employ mentof Britiish seaman 'on ' Board our ves sels ' The act ' authorising certi ficare.5 t. was . rnqrepyer, s vtiluntryi anq sucn. a measure as yre priinin could not require -uj to adpet.; So fir at least, it was Indicative of an honest intenuoh. If Grc!-, Britain still found herself a suffererihe;cmjgnt to have proposed the adoption of fur ther' precautions. If the United, 1 A. . States had refused to do so,? then ! Great Bfitain mrgfat have reasonably I r ornnlained.TYou . must, however, j idmit, that whilai ihe British 'com- j and employing their seaimen, they uight to have hewa jtp,,upright dis position on their side, by ceasing to naturalize Americans, and by dis chargicg from thrir own vessels eve United Sckcea. K'ttrulations of this ! nature between nitioha, can only be fair and lasting; when they are re ciprocGi v . G. Yet,' all this does not JtpVR dm Great Briuin has not a riht tb her own subjects. T. I do not question that right. I am discussing the question of al legiance, "Allegiance is a question between a subject and his sovereign, Permit me, nevertheless, in going ilor.g to observe, that if a govern ment may transport a rrran or banc him, for his crime, it" stems nothing nut just that the subject sWuld'tie ! it; wed to abdicate a government for tyranny ,Oa iis head, it has been s;id that a subject owes allegiance for the protecttup which, tbr soy reign affords. If, thio, for crime, ths? tie msy be cut by the one nzrzv why. uwy.it not, for thp' same cause. be cut by the othar f i he same rta son holds -good in both cases I and tyranny is a .crime as hormpu as highway 1 obbary Bu it isnot my intention to'aUcu:ss tho question of the overeiKns rights to. his ovf t jeets All I contend for fuhat'he nas no" right to impress our ettzen. G. Ah, 'my friend, npw you are com'tng ruvf to ' my sidr. If onr citizens a etaken it' is by. mista&J And a& soon aa they are proved tYittf. are ;c?.f7 ' up- i jhe'y are, I 'za nip ypd- r . , J . ; ' . . l. F O ho.l Prfivcditwspul, What then ; the Brrtish are. to be permitted to: seize therir subjects o tk)irilv onr vessels without proof !; bat . if they carry off t'mr cittzons by violence they! J may keep tnem tut we pqv? ttiem Very, welly fraias i that isycra'r logic IS it ? I ' 4 . vvny. aia you not aamt, tnat the . kinhad a right tqhij pwjM y T. Yes j But no. rights at all to ours Let the king ha ve his pwu-and welcome ; but let hi m pot touch .pur If our citizens1 are led into capiiyttyjj tt is the same to me whether it i done by mistake or design.' 1 look to the fact of their .being rani be cause" it is' contrary - to the : law fij natinn 1 In the neccmi I nntvws itt! because impressment is a mode of a reclaiming ixnusn aunjects wnicn wr evitablyr inVolyer the taking of AU mericansZ'' It f Is tbe mode which it obnoa;vousr:. National, like individ ual; rights; toe-:eobye rep.iprocauy corapuoic - xnc siog. he a tight to her citize V J wiUs, e.xercifrdi as .tpr impair ; the dtber, thete- fa wrang daita . f t tb paly G ,y hy, then, dp you oppose; rm- pressment generally r v t t ,1 TV In the first nlaceI"ob6osjeLl"jt:i 1 T . T M . .9 K - il.J' I i whble; t$areimbaiitd - j j tt&Aof eerrf thev wrooff 'Is demeouchu tfeeVe tc jfcajlisji44ii ' Suritutiv:JV . baturaltzea nietreabi :ahleft .fthat r we should niMufi4Britottsi ? Greit Brlwin will ettluofj ; Atnericatt r born cltizttisfrom her shipswe wil exclude British borb aphjects Irom' OtirsIfj Great Eliitain will igrec will: Bjgrtfr nptitojnployv British fiaVj meii,! The 'poetefpf doiothis thafll be'a fair 'mcr.l;fl0ire . man is shipidi Kef ahaftKprocJui y proof of civic05hip td ihie pllectiDt) rbe costnmsiritish jc other ajgejat, shalC have, the right being pre?ect4 and iriaas,ohjlc; Ae shipping of any ipdiVvluaKI op esvi tablishing the fact of hja beihi? a ( Brft iUh subject, the man shall not bir fcm V plovedi v ' .. , Gi Your plan seems fdr enough. ? 1". Fair snoug'tvi Can,any thfo.b:y ' fairer ? Duly comWe. it fp; -vf jWjfe::"' rntnt with the roode;o'fi. m.prefsmell4 -3 y i rh press m to t, a British icef ' takes a man by violence, upon his own bare assertion,, vvhich in general hs. l -.- 1.- r .1- . .1 . . r . I uccr iounuAiin rnan tnat ms majesty ' WafiU men and. milst ftdtif i ttirm JTtiti nonr kai)rr iir brttn avtrnv r J into eervitude , and I frerJuehtlv doei not obtain his: liberation vfor eeveral years. But according to my methoo there is a regular tribunal before- : whichy the parties can b, hea fj" & here evidence may. be prducied where the seamen is within beariqgf of those arrtortg whom he was bbfri where the British consul my selruti---nize hia piqofs, deteahis fraada, $nd reclaim hini to .the, kfngs service . Another advantage irestiita frommv T mode of ascertaining the citr r U .r - - " .- " zehshipof a ihatr tfbre he satls--the rnerchsnt's voyage Is fiot delayed, or broke Up, and the peace and hapS. nincss of:Tamiites-are;n6)e.t . l want, the trial puct of .iitizen ship tp take plareOn Unif btre 51 regular commissitpn atb side : and, not at sea, wher&s thefeis no court whHtevert TjLjet sailor nativity be determined &n'JtnatMrter,tic GBut, will yourltdmmistratidn; cenl w th:s-tnodt?i.' , 'f:' 'r:,:' ;lt Conat?hth$y have consenij- uc3, nx, nytney nave consent :t is .what: ey,dffer. Great at thjmo&cht. vri J.:ip-'.-.' ' ut tfei$at britlitu: hasJi Britain vjr 0dxx as ureat ttrjrat right to. her oivn ihiejctsi .and her !' biyely an accideHalTwron wnjch ia recti hd las. son soui ar identified ; dd you think, -Titosf t!1t far h expedient ? J sayC admit ting it to'ij,oyouv think it is expedient t 4:::K - T Why,look you Gams ; as to the lmpressmentsfurci ing an accidental wrong, ju are mis taken ; for ifarieht, the etefciseof which w evlUhamid:w a wron? be tjsed,thcq thrpng v is instaa wiHut as the exertion of the rights seeing the are practically: in separable Suppose, ..'feamplejr'' ydurlaons and :mi were, tntrcK aue, mat inty migtit easily be r ken onibr the other i in cWnfv.nn jpellicg your r Hildren tolajjour, ifJiint stead oVQirxfoiA and oblicrd therft tn wnrt; vfWi ,17a took mr- chirtn for yours. Wriilfl you thifck iropjast in tne propose P5?ybyWttiiJigree ILo an investigation before iheiaiinz ? '- Akiofcr&yfhei wum w.vwuu:c fuenunea. ov teaseprocjtinateJ'TheAmrts saiJoc iMaitent iraniferred frbia hm ilftip-rpm fitauon o station.: 1 Re writeOtcr a tnsjili pf the'. Jtecf mu cxnuumuoQ oj ice persons pf,6ur lops bsfore sizur .Would'; it! dot ?: WrJvjJ'U'lf " yu Persisted. : to .on. ftV'.'SIk; .. - - '.V r
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