&Z;r i - i ' . - FRIDAY' nr.Tnni?p7TT ; :- , v , fir: ' ' :! With ngln, Ocu 11. ff . . ... rhl"il will eifw4un V1 . t.Z.t Un'.unt ihewing lhev " ' Jnlitnl9bo.eple.potenturicf, lfc'brru. oo which riiey were io nf roctc ul canclode lr- - ii ) the au bi!it of anomer r , . - i V " -.linfl. c tr""" j 4 ves Madison. DOCUMENTS.! v r inter irmi . , GArt. 12th ju&tti. 181 cl the CJ-.u " J 1 icd to propose a Jietruug. a, i.: hsur, cD the cuuing -.Ja .-:! Itcciice having ruen agreed upo0l4 Mo-Ojv tnc bta iu , j0l w.ir or l( Hu7r.it, Vetodue, hercwitn,a copy 01 , : br jof()f mfJ whcthcr . - - . It . r . . . 1 t i. - ccce i which wjs opened no tnc-r, ci eirncst wrrt thAtthe oczoaa Ho niisht diia ischd peace, hen irahic to D'jih xru:s. I hey, at the same ti me, dr- rfjitd, that r.o everts vtnicn nau oc- oor:d since tne bt si prupoia. to thts ttrociition, had alien jfJ the pacific j n l . L - i l l : . ' with te raoitsicctrc ueirr i t t put tnu I tf3 2ii liberal r sounds the fou i peace which, securing the rights ;fcciJ w,th suffl I. The forcible stizurc ofmarines wb)ard of merchant vess.-Ii, a.id m ctccticn with it, thelthim of hi ..i:dic ii.jcsty to ine alitgi. .l thc native sublets ol G uocr rcat cnuic Ve understood diem to' intimate, fcMtheDmi-h goverunieot did not? r '-etc 15 point as one which they parutuLiriv drsirius of discus- lz; but that, m it hJd occupied so i -X'nfnta piCviin tht- diiputci be-; the two couutrics. it ntce-sari-. h ntnctcd notice, and w as con udcr- i su' ject whuh would ccrae tiUlSCUiSSOt. -I- The Indian AUics of Great to be- ificladtdin tht pjt: a- and a dc finite bauadary to be scd for their territory 1 re Britiih Gon an airiorment upon th'u poiot l a Vta nsn : that they were i authorised to conclude a treaty ol Itice which did nut embrace the lu- 6 a' a lies of his Jiritacnic ma. ;nd that the e8bb,ishme..t ol tt&itc boudArr ol th. lW,, ..r. y was oecesvarv to secure a nr. Ifn... I'"' ,acStut an K.t... .u it..:. ! "7 0U Great Britiin. A revision of he boundary line ldJcent BrnUH W Wee of territory, and re. ) presented the proposed revUioo' intended merely for the purpose 51 preventing uncertainty and dilute. Afttr having stated these three ! poictsVai siibjeas of discussion, the : British cotnaiUtiotiers added, that! nelorethey desired ny answer from ' us, they felt it incumbent upon theml to declare, that th Hnnh rmvm- I t . I ' .wi7 t4lv - W tl . imerKans to the fisheries gctfsrailv, or in ihf 'pi Q sat ; but that the pri-i vi!efe, formerly granted bv treatv to, the Uoited Stts of fishing within) the limit or thr U'lii o j i ri.Jiction. and of Ltndi'--g aa l -Irving fish on the sh ie cithe U i i h territori; , tv m!:l notb - renewed with a. a a qval n;. v Ti.r extent of what w.a onid-rtd bv then .ratci& p.-culuily British, was nat -tated. ' F cm th manner in ivhirh ther brouf.t this subject into 'view, thrv be; m-vl to wi;h u? V) uc'drrand that qu r pc: to provi -. expresalv in the trra-y p".ce for th-:r renewal. The B itish Commissioner h.iv iuw' s t.', tiiat thrve nrere all the sub- wmcn they intended to bring requeued t' fro yiihittne umw - they ivcre uot a(,xv us hit i: siv-ul .yccrt. l-ord J.11:!. fie.,iry C"ou!-: j be dlcuscl. ami th,t the v on?v in UdVkU,lAV M'1"' ;tendidto :ive us o ttrcr that these ,r,idnnisatyf;ao.i.u.uar uc,,. ( privic(, h Kj Ctasefj lo cXUr. and I iuV.Ghiast. I ne cay w.ur th . wouf. n.,t hr i(J granted without! vale at, nor uylts1 we .thought I iruU P-ti exhibited hy the B:i-. sl u t., enter into neCochtioQ on icse several points? and, whether 'here auv amn;-r,t thrse which ; ired us to st te, on our p.rt such. o:h: er cu j; ct s we might intend t pr pos fir di usion iu the cvursc of; the ntgo '.Ktion. j The meeting was then atlj urned to the nnt .4 . in orir f r.i7' i w disposition of their g .femment, or j, thc o;TO:tllP;llv 0f consuU.vi n am-jnglJ which it ws willing toaclude the j lr lhl? ccu:sc nt the fivcninROf tht I F2Zt ' i " . . ! ssme d iv, we receivrd : our letters ol ! ucirawocs 5reatj s:i:isiactirn. i i;-;ecHild be no h-sitnion, on C ;mm:sioQcrs. th.tt we were not in ! .craoitsicctrc ucirri uuo tou;:s.ru tC(l 03 lhe ru ..ects , f I-li o pa-! i iti:cd:tTrren:cs waxn divid-d thc:;c vio()nr t,ound Tv,m : o! fisheriesj ccuncA aadto ii up,n-jvHt! N.,r di(i ;t 5Ct:in pr,;h..b!e, although J uitiono!!' m r .r, ient precision in that ara miertsu u uotn n.nifW, .n.mri j f t b i ..o:.ferrn.r. that thev could cu: wen) Dy lasting bn.is 01 amitv. m;ttrfl ;n MftV shi0c. Ve did I wleU I n r u hnur-vpr. tf nri inrlrf thr t iKsdlhe followtog 5Uect, as those ! j refcult or hv. aov ha.ty proceeding ab t?en which rt appealed; to them that fu i;y lo break'offthe negation. It! tt diirusiioos would! be l.kcly w! w,g DOl inaWlble lhatf on th. PU,.J aua cn vra.cn uicy were msiruci. ;.,cltjl :ne larlf4n. the B.itish ev- I eminent had rec ived erroneous tm . presd ns from the ludian traders in L Cmada, whkh our rcprecntations m;ht remove : And it appeared, at j ill evenis, important to asrertain dis I; B'itaia on both points. We, there fore, thought it sdvisable to invite the British Commissioners to a general conversation on all the points; sta- in to them, at the Same time, our want of instructions on two of them, and holding out no expectation of the probability of our agreeing to any aiti le respecting them. At our m -rtinp on the ensuing dav ! wxs informed the British C:mmitsiun- crs, that upon the hrst and thirdpoint proposed by thm we were provided withviastructiuns, and we presented as luriher subjecta considered by our government as suitable for discussion: 1st. A definition cf blockade ; and as far might be mutually agreed of other ik utf ai and bclltgereat'righti. 21. Claims of indemnity in certain cs-s of capture and seizure. . We then stated that the subject, 1st of Indian pacification, and boundary, au i 2d of fisheries, were embraced by bur instructions. We observed, that as these points had not bceo heretoiore tne grounds sfany controversy between the go vernment of Great Britain aud that of the Uoited States, and had not been alluded to by lord, Castlererghj io his letter proposing the negociatioQ it could not be expected that they should h;vc been onticipita ted and "made the subject of itnstrur.tiphs our government : that it wa natural to be; uopnsed,that our instructions vere confined to those, subjects upon which .difTcrcnce -bsiween the two euniries were known 'to exist ; and that the pr position-to define in a treaty between the United Slates and Great Britain, the boundary of the In dian posessifn within ou territories vus new and Hyithout example. No su n provision had rWn inserted in the treaty 6t peace i.iT783, nur in i-ny otner treaty betWceP the t'wo coun tries.' N such provisions had to our kaowledge, ever bern inserted in any ticaty made by Great B itain or any otiier European power in relation to tne sa:ue description of people ex'tst ug under like circumst tnces. We would say, however, that V it would j not be. doubted that pea e with the I lrtd:"ns ivou'd rertaialy fol'owi peace witn G-eat B'i'ain ; that we had in I rm.Uion that Commissioners had al reauy b- cn appointed to treat with tnem ; that a treaty to th.u etlct I inight.pr.rhau,tis)ve bem areadv con- ;J eluded ; and that thc Uoited State having no interest, nor any motive to continue t jjperate var against the Indians, t iere could never be a m -m nt when our government would not be disp sed v m..ke peace with th-rr. 'We then expressed our wish to re .eivc ii.) n the British Comndf8ioo- e. s a statement of the views and ob- ' if eta of Grem ' Britain unmi all the I p jiriu, and our willingness to discuss ! their all, in order that, even if no ar. range ea- f . uid b agreed on, upon the p dnts nut meiuded in our intruc :i ns, the government f the Unitrd Stts m g"t be possessed of the en tire and precise iateoti'-ns of th-t of Great .U itain, reecting he3e points, aud that the British government might be fu'ly informed f the objections on the part of the Uuitcd Scales, to any such arrangement. In answer to our remark' that these po:nta hid not been a'luded to by L. riCaitlrreagh,in his Uttrr propos ing the negociatiun, it was said, that ?t c.uid not be expected, that, in a iettrr merely intends g.juinti.m, he shout topics or d'sussioo, ttrr merely intended to invite a ne- td enumerate tne pics or u'scussion, or state inr. pre tensions ot nis government ; since thc3e would depend upon ulterior e vents, and might arise out of a subse quent state of things. In reply to our observation, that the proposed stipulation of ah Ihdiao b vundsry was without example n the practice of European nations, itUvas asserted thdt the Indians must in some sort be considered as an independent people, since treatie3 were made wUh them both by Qreat Britain and by the United States ; upon which we point ed out the obvious and important dif ference between the treaties we might make witn Indians, living in our ter ;uo y, & sulh a treaty s was propos ed to b- made, respecting th m,'with a foreign power, who had solemnly acknowledged the, territory on which thev resided to be part of the Uoited States. We were then a ked ly the British Cooimissioptrs whether, in cane they should enter fu.ther upon the discus sion of the several poinu which had been stated, it e. could expect that it would terminafe b some provision?'! J arrancr-w-ment on ihe points on which i we tud no instructions, particularly j on that respecting the IndUns, which arrangement would be subject to the ratification of our-gnvexnment i ': , We answered that, before the sub- icts 7ere distinctly. understood, and j thC CDjecci iu view mure prcnaciy disclosed, we could not decide whe ther it would be possible to form any sAtisfactory article on the subject; oor pledge ourselves as to the exerf cise of a discretion under our ppwersj even with respect to a provisional a grcemcnt, t We added that as wc should deeply deplorc a rupture of the negociation on, any point, Jit was; "our anxious desire .to employ all pos sible means td avert an event so se ribus in iu consequences ; :'and that wc had not been withtut hopes thaft a discussion might correct the. effect w 5ny erroneous intormation w men British govern nent might have rccyed onjthe subject, which they had .nDOed a a preliminary7 basis, tsl- this opportunity to re mark, thxp nation: observed a poliT cy more libcxlnd humane towards the Iadians thaiKthat pursued by the U. States; thait ob object had been, by all practicable mtas; to introdbce' civilization amongst tfcem i that their possession were secured to them by well defined bcundenes ; hat heir persons, lands and other property were n ; w more effectually protected against violence or fraud fiom Jjoy' quarter, than they had been uocler af ny former government , that even ouf r - tl. cmzens, were not aiiowta to purchase their land ; that when they gave up thsir title to any poTtion of their coun try to the "United States, it .iv. s by v luntary treaty with our government who gave them a satisfactory equiva lent ; and through these means the U. States had succeeded in preservf- 51 ing, since the treaty of Greenville i95, an uninterrupted peace of 16 ; yeais, witn all the lQdian tnoes ; a period, of tranquility much longer, than they wt-re known to have enjoy ed heretofore. It was then expresdy stated on our part that thc proposition respecting 1 1 1 w -1 J the Indians, was not distinctly under stood. We akcd whetner the paci fication, and the settlement of a boutv darv f r them were both nude a eiie quanm? Which was auswered mi he affirmative. The questiou was then aked the British Commissioh srs,'yhetl:er the proposed Indian boundary was intended to prccluide the United Slates from the rightjof pu chasing by treaty from the IndUns without consent of G. Brita n, lapds lying beyond that boundary l And as a restriction upon the Indiaos from ! filing by amicable treaties lands to r)ie United $;ates as had been hithpr, i to practised ? To this question, it was first an swered by one of the Commissioners' that the Indians wou'd not be restrict- J ed from selling their fends, burtty.t the United States wou'd be restricted from purchasing them ; and on refine tion another of the Commissioners stated, that it was intended that ih Indian territories should be a barrier heiween the British dominions -ahd those of the United States j that bcjth G. Britain and the U. States should be restricted from purchasing thdr lands ; but that the Indians might stll j them to a third party. J The proposition respecting Indian bounebfy thus explained, andronnie ted with the right of sovereignty as cribed to the Iodiansover the country, amounted, to nothing lesa than acje mand of the absolute cession of. the rights both of sovereignty and of soli- j We cannot abstain from remarking to you, that the subject (of Indian boundary) was ipdiatiocdy stated when firt proposed, and that the cx planati n were at first pbacure an dwavs givn tvith reluctance. Abd it was declared from the first moment to be a tine qua nony rendering any discussion unprofitable until n wasi admitted as a basis. Knowing that we had do pbwer to , cede lo the In dians any part of our territory, we thought it unnecessary to ask, what probably would not have been an swered till the principle was admitted where the line of debarkation of the Indian country was proposed to be estab ished? . j Trie British Commissioners, af?e- having repeated that their instructions on the subject of the Indians were peremptory, stated that ucleas we could give some assurances, that our powers v would allow us - to mke ja least a provisional arrangement on th subject, any further discussion wodld be fruitless, and that thty'mut cba sult their own government on thii state of things. They proposed ac cordingly a suspension of the confer ences, until they should have received an answer; it being understood that each party might call a meeting hen ever they had acy prcpoeition to sab - mit. JL ncydisnAtchea a speoai mes senger the same evtsbing. and we are now waiting for the result, j t Before the proposed adj nrnment took place, it was agreed that there : should be a protocoYof the conferea- rH. tnat a .stntcmnt hmitrl !. Fn'r that . ami that we shpdnVeet the hextjdaj to compare the' stjments4:jWe acV . eording'y met agfkf.ohejrj the l(Xh instant, aaduVmapae upon what should cibtiVutef theujf6p tjcol of the cobfei&ces;:, .-L IcopyMpi this instrument ve have the! honor to transmit with this dispatch ; andVe alio enclose a copy oi tpe statement originally drwn up on bur part, for the purpose of making known to- you the passages to which the British Commissioners objected. 1 - Their objection to some of the pas sages was, that they appeared to 6e argumentative, and that thei otbject br . thr protocol was to contain a mere) T. statpm-nt of (act?. Theyvj however, objected to the insertion of the answer which they ha given to ouf quearjon ; resijecting the efiect of the; proposed Indian boundary ; hut they agreed to', an alteration of theis-original prbposU tion on that subject, which renders it much more explicit than as stated, either in the fi st coaferepe or in their proposed draught of the protocol Thev also objected to the inscrtrhn of the , fact, that thev had proposed to , adjoum the conferences, untilnney could obtain further ins'.ructibhs from their government. The return ol their messenger may, perhaps dis close the motive of their reluctance in that re-pect. M We have the honor to bes, very res pectfully, sir, your humble apd obedi ent servants,. j P , ' : JOHN QUtNCY A.DAM9, J. A- U WAltD, t P II. CLAY, J j ; . ; JON A. UUSSLL. ( Here folio vr the Protocols of Confer ence, which asrrce in substance with what is stated in the above letter. . 9Vj h A : ; Messrs, Adams, Bayarcf Cl,i RtfsieLandj :-:'t; GaUatin, to Mr. Afonroe, 'Secretary, -of ' C i Sute, dated ' Ghent,. 19 Jltig 1814.lp Sir Mr Baker, Secretary to ihpVt British mission, calkd bpon us''tb,(p'-'-X day, at 1 o'clock, and invited us td'a -coherence to be hel at thi;ee Trij 4 was agreed to, and the British Com . missiouers opened it, by saving, ; that ' they. d receive! their further jn-4 si ructions this mornihgv and had opt lost a moment, in requesting a meet- ing for the purpose of communicating the decision of their government., It , is proper to notice that L urd Gastie ' reaghhad arciye"dlast night in thiss4 r city, whence, it is said; jhe will de part to-morrow oa his way to Br us- ) T 1 seb and Vienna ; pi - " The British Commissioners stated that their Gove reinem hid felt some surprize, tht we were not instructed rejecting the Indians, as jit could not : have been expected that ! they would leave xheir Allies, in their cpmpara . tively weak situation, exposed td oar resentmeau -Great-Brttaic might justly have supposed that the Ameri can government would have furnish ed us with! instructions, jauthorising us to agree tof a positive article 6q the subject but the least, sn.'uldd,' man4as that we ? should Jsigu a prb. visional article admitting the priuci nle, subiect tbsthe1raiif?cattoh ofloui' - government ; so mar, ir t snoura oe ; ratified, the treaty thouMtk-eTectj: and, if not, that it should, be null and void ; on our assent or refusal to ad mit such an article wonld depend the ; cooticuince or-suspension of the ne gociatLm. . ; "::P'Pp;- PP: As we had represented thatjthe propositioa raade by ;tb&n,-' on that subjeevwasnbt suftxeotly explicit, : heir govcrnmcot Hid directed them to give' us every necessary expltna- . . ; iibn; and to state -cfisinctiy'',i "j f-p which must be considered ; as. an in- ; : p dis ptnsable preliminary, i i JipThis was a sine fiia non that the Indians should be tnciuaeu in tne pa- cification, and, as incident thereto, p. that the boundaries of theijr territory, should be psimaneatly eitaWiahed-. 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