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-GMMkL M i MR. clay's .srepcir; precise He, of.evenU hich has. Treatrof Pbce. mdoar Ritureprwpu,i!Curre,,mv voteVpuJa have been Un-, jrood iv opportunity of btinj well informed on these xmporua tuhject, tlut yre Ujr it and comkm trora one uo iboaoj naujv efore our readeri wiux pjejure. . v ' Mr:fca(Sp);Mldthecottrie badbee'rfDam.ed,eYer3ince he had had C honor of seat on'thii floor, to se-1 Urt iomft i nbieet dannr the early jrtof thesessfonVoa' which, bj aeo - ral oBiJerstandinrigenUcmen weri;tj - luweawinuaitijeai". on the existinz iUtc prpublic attairs. The practice was a verr, good one; he said, and there tuld be ndpfccasion xr.dre proper than that of a bruposition to lay 4 Direct Tar.; s , r w Those who have for fifteen years past administered the affairs of.this govern ment, have conducted thisnation to an. J honorable point of.elevation,,at which they may jUstlr pause, challenge a re-( froiTiect. and Invite attention fo the : briit field of prosperity which lies: Deiore us. . The great objects of the committee of finance, in the report, undetL consi deration, are, in the first place, to pro- - , . . .. j . ... ' t . f xrver war fof independence, and a-portion of U perhaps of that which arose out of the wars wlia lnpou ana-Ai- pers. Gentlernea nad on uus- occa. sioneretoreaiainj an.ui amuc into the course of administration, here tofore, to demonstrate' the impolicy of tAose wars, ana injuuiciouauu v mc public expenditures renerallr. In the cursory view which-he should take of this subject, he must be allowed to sa, he should pay no -particular attention to What had pissed before in debate. An honorable colleague, (Mr. Hardin) who spoke the other dayt like another . gentleman who preceoa mm m - bite, has taken occasion torefe rtohit (Mr. Ci.ltte absence from thii coun-; try on public .busmes ; Dut,3lr.,y. iitd, he trusted, among the fruits ot Kiai wu uVi; .:I2,:.k Tor the Institutions which distjngtiish ; this happy conntrvmatecoufi. dencem them; and an Increased dig,j P J? ,nSf?S 1,;! r w: ,t- a -r"rVA"I of thebttt e oT. Vee0fl .jXK 1 lessons I did,, derive front it , but were lessons wnicn national independent maintained bv national gainst foreign encroachments; by cherishing the interests of the people, and giving to the whole physical pow er of the country an. interest in the prfscrvation of the nation. 1 I-have i tftnht this lesson, that we should never lose sight of the possi bility, that a combination of despots, . f It A.ltU I ' oi men unmcnuiy io iiucnj, uja- Xing woat in weir opmou wuu,mw the prinriple of legitimacy, might reach our happy land,' and sabjscttis to that trranny and deOTdation whkh seems inhfifinn of their obiects in another countrr. .The; result :ef my reflec tions is, the determioatioifto aid with dt vote in nrovidinir my country with all the meant to protect itt liberties, ind guard them, even irom scnous me nace. Motives of delicacy, which the cocumittee would be abletounderstand tud appreciate, prevented him from no ticing some of his colleague's (Mr.Har- din's) remarks; bat he would take the occasion- to gjve him oneailmo cition, that when he next -favored the hoase with an exhibition of Ms ta lent for wit with k display of those elegant implements, for bis possession of which, the gentleman from Virginia hid so handsomely complimentedTdro, tiuthe would re collect that it is hauzht , and not borrowed wit, which the adage " recommends a best. W ltb regard to the late war with GreAtBjitain, histo ry, in deciding .upon the justice and policTof that war. will determine'the question according to, the state of things 'which existed when, that war, was de clared.4 I gaye a vote for the declara- a a . 0 ..... uon oi war, saiq iMr. v;. i exerted ail the littlo inQaeocc and talents I could; command t$ make the war. The war tide for the payment oj jnc ;'..fWtic:pmrofFrancei 11lc ques. debts, and in ithe second, to, provide t M of th gUtc Qf prCparatton for for the support of the yernroenf,aud. , v,at time a relative question the payment of such rxpences; .as .Wto our own means; the con should be authorised Iby Con-ress.-Tj dlt;4Tl0fthe other power, and the state The greater part of the debt, Mr. C.( of tne wtrW atthe tiine ot declaring admitted, had grown out ot .the Ute , itrWe'Could not expect, for insUnce, wart ret a considerable portion ol it.. ir4 . ai:, Tnf -U is f efxninat3 : "ati ! tai ewi .permitted me tbIift the veil fof TataritT, and ioi have foneen the changed, ine poilCV 01 me war as i rararded oaf state of pre par atioiK must be 'determined with reference taf.the state bf thinlS at the time tint war was ffVlftrp1. Alr. C. said, he need not take : the time of the house in de monstration that we had . cause suffi cient forwar. We had bce'insu!ted, and outraged, and spoliated upon by ;, aif Europe, t)V Great Britain, . , 6j pee, Spoin, Denmark, Naps,' ctp.tlw climax, by the little iiinntPtonhlftivjvrer of Alriers. e had submitted too long ana too mucn. We-had become the scorn of foreign powers, and the contempt of our own citizens. :The question of the policy of declaring war at the particular time whenit-was commencea, is best dtter minedirC. remarked, by applying td the enemv himself ; and what said he? that of all the circumstances at- ! tending its declaration, none was so selected tne moment which of.all o ther was most inconvenient to him ; when ho wa struggling for self-is- i cciitc tence m a last effort against the gi- olj. a ntii acaiuii aiiiua t quire the same means or extent of pre- parauonas a warazainsi trreai iintain; (and, if it was to be waged against one ! of the pnmarv powers of Europe, at ; -ace a,f fMt of wor,d y . fi her force at command, , it would "not be commenced with so little preparation as if her whole force j were employed in another Quarter. i It is not neces'sary aain to repel, said Mr. C. the stale, ridiculous, false sto-', ry of French influence, originatin o in Great Britain, and' echoed, here. I now contend, a? I have, always done, that we had a ritrht to take advantage of ;conJitiorf 0f the world tat!tEf ':tirae w wu declared;:' If O.Dritain ng. - War, we hadaright Hq . QM of the her ms.qf annoyance, arto us, . diminished .: and we had -a right lto oUta,a 411 collateral aid we CQud .fvum.fa m,erations of other Wwere .against hpr, without entering nto those connections which are fo?- bIdJcn V the genius of our govern menu -uut 3ir. i;. said, it was rather i istarbioS -Mhc of the dead jno't6discns1 the questions cf the on which tbepablic opinion was .deci sively; made up in favorof the admi nistration : k ' He proceeded to examine the comlf- tions, of the peace and the fruits of the. wir ; -questions of more recent date. ' auu uiwip; iiuuacuiaiciy appiicaoie in ; the present discussion. The terms of: mA' t.-J" a.l l " i i . , the peace; Mr. U. said, must be . deter mined by the same rule that was ap plicable to the declaration of war tlia.t rule which. wagTuriiished by the'state or me worm ai ine Jime tne peace was made-j andreveh if it were true,- that all'the sanguine expectations which might have been formed at the timof the declaration of war were not realiz ed ' by the terms of .the; subsequent peaceH did not follow.thatthe war v "3 improperly declared the peace diahenorpbie, unless the'eondi tions of; the parties in relation to other iviw- ersr remained substantially the same throughout the struggle, and "at the umc uj iuc icnuiuauon. as yiey were at tii encomia en cement of it At the termiiiationof the war, .France was annihilated, blotted out of the map of Europe ; the ras power? wieldea by be admitted that statesmen in: layin uieir -course, .are m ioq&;ai prpDaple eventsj that tlieirconduct is to be cx- amine4, with, reference io the course of events .which in all human probabi lity might have been antrcipated-aud is there a4man in thb house. ,in exis tence, who can say, that on, the 18th day of June. 1812, when lh. war was dsclafedf it could have been antici pated that Great Britain- would, by the circumstance of.a.treneral neacej1 resttltingfroci thej)Yexjhxow of a pow ikvy at ?i . - i a I frerwho3e oaicracpts Iiirfcre' fiipppsfed to 1 1 cation jof the MississiiftSe&fed . ;.H S erjwhose basemenis Ws're' supbose'd to be deeper laid, more iamified and more extended than those lofanr other ppwr er ever was before-r-ie placed (nfte attitude in which she stood in Decern- ner, loiq r voaiujany on say yiai this government could have' anticipat ed such a state of things, and ought to have been governed in its conduct Ac cordingly r Great Britain, Russia Germany did notexcect not a power wpald abd the restoration of vie Bouirbons would follow. VhiO0en ,was the aciuil condition of Europe i wheiipeace wis concluded i K - A petfect tranquillity reigned throughout ; for, as late as the m oi aiarcn.ine lueu oi lapoieou re appearing in France, was as little en? tertaTned.xas that oi" a man's coming from ithe 'moon to tike unon himself toe government ox tue country.; ; in Decembers 1814 a ifrofound, and ap parently a permanent peace existed j Great Britain was left to dispose of the vast torce, tne accumulation or years the work of an immense system of finance and protracte'd war-p-she was at liberty td employ thitindivi- dual force against thijS countty. . Un- uer sucn circumstanc, n aid noiioi low, Mr. C. said, according to the rules laidvdown, either that the war ought not to have ben declared, ' or that peace on such terms ought not to have been concluded i What then, Mr. C asked, were the term,of the peace ? j The regular Op position jpt this country -the eentle men on 'tHcbther siqe of the nouse, had not come out to ph alienee an in vestigation, of. the terms of the peace, although theyihad several times given a sidewipe at'the treaty on occasions with which it had no! necessary, con nection. It had been! some times; sid that we had gained nothing by the war, that the fisheries wereilcfsf, &tc. How, he asked, did this question of the fish eries really stand ? By thenVst part of the third article if the treaty of l V iua, me ngnr was recognizea in me people ot the United S totes, ltd : take nsh of 'every kind on the Grahcf Bank and on all the other! banks of New foundland ; also in thei gulf of St. Law- renceind at all other places in the sea, where the inhabitants pf both countries used at anytime to fish Thi;s right was a necessary incident to our sove reignty, although it is denied to - tome of the, powers in Europe. It was not contested' at Ghent; it has never been.; drawn in question by Great Britain. But by the same third article, it wa9 further stipulated, that the inhabitants of the United States shall have liber ty, t take fish of every kind on. such partof the coast of Newfoundland as British fishermen shall use (but not to dry or cure the; same On that Island,') and also on the coats bays,;& creeks of all pther.bf his Britannic majesty's dominions .in'Amenca j and that the American fishermen shall have libertv to dry; and cure fish iii any of the;'if n settlcd' bays, Jiarbors; and creeks, of nuva Licuua. .iiawsin i annt nnn XT-i:- t' a! .l.,J-tfJ' l 1 ' JLabrad,or, so lone .aslthe same .shall 41 remain unsettled ; but sd 'soon as the I same or either of thera shallbo -ettled. I it shallnot be' lawful for the said fish tlement, without a previous agreement ciuicu iu ury ur cure iisn ai.ucn. set- if for that purpose with the inhabitants. I proprietors or possessors 'of t the ground." The BrltisH commissioners, aHsmijinjr inav tnese itoeraes naa ex- . -a-. z . 1 A.t r a ri w 1 1 pired.by .the war between the two : . 1 countries at ;anearly, period of the ne gociation :dclared tharthsy would not be 'revived without Jane equivalent. : nueinerme treaty or ioa aoes not tr I i--: , . a!i' ' 1 ItirLat' iLjl . 1, 'l'.iJia. I..' !'.! rorm an, exception to tne general ruie, according to which treaties are Vacat ed by a war breaking fat between; the pariieaf is a question on wnicn ne jam not ' mean to "express; an) opinion .-j-.; The first', article , of that treatyji lly whih the;l Of Grfsat Britain ac knowledges Jie sovereignty of the'U liited States! certaihly was not abro- ga.ten, oy tne arj tnat an tne : ouier parts of the' 'tame instrument, i which define the limits, privileges & liberties' aiiacning xq uiav soy erigaty were e quaHy unalfected-by Ihe .iwuvj mighf be contended for. with at least as much pfaukibility. If determined ta of fer then-the equivalent required j the1 question' was. wbat houltl it be question was. what n When the. BritUh cocimiRsfoilcrs de' inahdedjih their proje a renewal toV Great Britain of the ritto the navi in isurope oeuevea, tas late even as January, 1814thai; ;in eensdihff March. Bonaparte "wbuld abdicate ana liti. I'll ' t . . . fA. .. i-lsri;, t" !" .-.-i.; .. . . X ; M .:H the Americah ( eommlssi6.nersJi:fiere4 tocrenewit, Jttpon the condiferbat tnejlibv r(ies in question were renewed to us. r He was not'Qt'tn'amaloV - ity. He would notftrouble th com - mitfPf fi4V Vita .a J BAnVTn. .hfti nr. Vr posed to the offlr. tA Imajorijty, of his colleagues; actuated, he believed; b the best motive's, mid e, However,, the , .uwas reiusa.oy tne uriusja Commissioners. 7 If the British interpretation of the treaty of 1783 be correct, we have lost the liberties in question. What the value of them reallv is. he had riitti been able to meet with any twx ehSi tlemeri who agreed. The great value' wi.uw wnuie mass oi our nsnery in ierest: as i connected withx)ur liavigar donjand ade, '; was sufficiently : de monstrated by the tonnage employed: btit, what was the relative importance '? of these liberties,there was a great ?Qn-' trariety of statements. ' They Vr.erO li berties to be exercised within a fdreis:n junsuiction,' and someot, tliem were liable to, be destroyed bv the contin gency of settlement. ySe did not be lieve that much interest attached to such liberties. And suppdsine: them i to be lost, we 'are perhaps sufiicienu l indemnined by the 'redemption or uio. Airisisu uiorijraire uduu me oa- vigauun 01 xne mississippi. xis srrear 1: a.: riLt i ms J' ?t - rwv ' 11 J stream, on jenac supposiuon-is piacea yhere it ought to be, in the same in dependent condition with the Hudson, I or any other river in the UnitedStates, j If, on -the contrary,' the opposite construction of the treaty? of 1783. be the true one, these liberties remain to. us and the right to the Navigation of the Mississippi, as secured to Great J3rnam uj inai msxrumeni, connnnes with her. A ButiC. said, he was suronsed o heatr a ntleman from the, western country (Mr. Hardin) excWni; that we had gained nothingiby 'Jle7 war. Great Britain aeqUfred bythe treaty negociated JCkjt jMr. Jay, the right to trade with ib Indians within our, ter ritories. It was a right iipoii which she placed greaC value,, and from the pursuit of which she did not t desist without ereat reluctance; It had been exercised by her agents in a manner 10 excite me greatest sen si Din ty in tne .a rrl.' ' l a i wesiern counirv- v. xnis ngnc was clearly lost by the war ; for whatever may be the true opinion as to the treaty 01 1783, there can ; Oef no -doubt that the stipulations oythat of 1794 no Ion ger exist. a ; J:' . ; t 4 It had been said, that the great ob lect' in the continuation of the war, had been to, secure our mariners a- gainst impressment, ana roan peace was made without accomplishing it. vt itn reffarq to tne opposition, ne pre sumed, that they would hot urge any sucn argument. jj orr n tneir opinion was to be inferi'ed (though he hoped in this case, it was not) from tho an influential and distinguished member of the opposition, we had reason to be Jieve that they did not think the Bri- a'll ' 1 ' a ' LL-'xLIi ...t'..l r in .nnrinnps wrnnp" uii rnis suuiccl He alluded to letter said to be writ ten by a gentleman of great xronsidera tion residinsr in an adioining xfate, td la member of this house,' in which the iBritish claim to be riehand expresses writer siaies uiav oe . couccivca ,iuc his honeihat the; President, however Hbe might kick at it, wnuldb ed to swallow the bitter pilL ?. It the j r i' 1 . mw . - i . . a - i.a.- peace hadeally given up the AmenV can uoctrme, 11 wouia nave uecu, ac cording to: that opinioti, merely yield- a a JJU. ti.' ,''Jt.'. that vie w, of jthe subject; the'error of the administration would haveoeenin. contending ror too muci in ' ubimm y y this countrv t lor he1 presumea.tnere was'np idoubt that-; VnetherrigM;r wrong, 11 woum oc ou wn'' cipie gaineu ,u suvhic um-owtw jiBntlsr-tmi 1 y - . 1 an. eJbttt 41 ' trustea mxoa mat: ttuvu w.wt istrations Would rather err on the iide of contending fox too. mucnto littlefor America. "4 -; tL t -a'- '' : ai ,'vki. . lltnf- y irfrrktf that the cofa?daciof the administration fttmht fn be tried bvtheirown opinions; W4KrafinF:t!cn One of the'great causes of the wafj vand;pf iain'x iuidi' if iihis claJttf tiWbeentadi mitted. 'hv iiieceisary implication or I express Stipulation. tneuininiBirauui has abandoned the rights of our sea- frntiresament f exercised: 1 v.CrTeat Bri- II .tended Inthisn cliimTbnse 1 br rl J tice had Wtbefetf expreVsly Hcnred irl ; - the 'treatyjl w merefbrven up f ! Itms '. i lTlin Ai K''a 31 At. a. II - linent could ladtiteW that , oor :No menibewleW'liM'rftnn - arCTmetere1 J. ' ; ; i , llad:uer walerimnefeihe wtc eeiblrtinuin admittediat ticbs ekawitIfiBriM j 1 urx uv"imu3ng..anuxaereioresae illation to secure hefijlnfer- iic-witnouE-anrsfip) us:a2ainstit4freHfsV in wo$gbhatyeli ( ;d the rightfct what .ws4ttitfjr I . uie; wme tne conclttsion;oP the f.-j v pca&t;, urea ; isritain naa ceased the practice of impressment she was not only at peace with all th powers of EilrOpe,; but'tliefre witsvery prospect of a perinnfent ani duf ahla lp.eace; e tre belng silent on th$ , Unbject of impressment, the orily plauif rational result was, that neither party vuutcueu iu ngnwj nut tney.were lefrtotally Chaffected by it. : Sir. Oi , said he i recqlleied to have heard ifi meMtis House'of Contmons, while1 . be was in Europe, the vpry reverse of the doctrine Advanced here, on this subject; llie1 3riiisK ministry ' wer charffedbyemnerofthe ormoiitioti , with havine lurfenerediheiil Hffhf of lmpressraeotf ; Md theVsacourBeW reasonlti wa eMpfoved tokve4tat heittnderstood'was )BRlbyei(ith ' country to pfoiedui' cquie'ftcepcW id tpatjpractice. ine argument was this, : The war was made! on the nnfiMsf ' Iground of resisUnce; of the" practice of impressment : i he peace navirig been made without a recognition of the right . by America, thetreaty betng silent on the subject the inference was, that the Britisbanthin-itiehad surrendered i f uic iignv uiastneywnaa lanea to se' cre it, andmerirc inenect,yielcied it. TvtV:, Opposiiotif . in Erigland was jnst- as wrong as any member of this house would beV who should cotttend that the right of im pressmeht is surrendered to the Bri : tish Government The fatt was. Mr C. said, neriher pfirty had suf reeretf its rights 5 things remalnas wouih the? war bad never been inade--both par ties are. in possession of all the rierhts thej had anteriorjta thaiwar , Lest it might be deduced ihatnis sentiments on the subject of impressment hid un-e degone a changeJieotheff ppof feinitv to say, -that althb desired to preserve peace between G. Britain & uus w. tpvaies, aau iu maintain oetweeny ttenii ;.yiaif good nndcrstandins: alcu;- lated o promote, thV interest of each f&m&kmr GBHtaiii Ihalliivea r53f 'er. ?vSign jo applW'her.doctrine of impresshient .belpfsVjfbr;' oriei ready pa take.4iH aims 'a?ain 1 to btirio"ft Heriv - The fact wi?s, that the two nations had' been placed in Estate of hostilitvaa toja! praerwf ng of the war iu c.arup&. yx ne war ceasing oetween 4 G. Britain ahd the rest ofufope, left England & America, emga&d in a-con test on an assrassioii tfhlch bad-Afsb v- . a r. i "i 't then -presente States shouldbe kept in war.to. caus w Am its m nt ijiij, am- H r - . mere anstract principles or. looninir at ' .. . 'tV-.. t-. a'. . . - . .---. -v.ia the results, and relying bn tn jto'v iensearid ! sbaniK discretioif JotK: eou&tries, we should not recoinmen the termination of ihwahe . o-pTaCtical evilcoulp;iTeauit ftm$te U9pJViioa .or-Jios.iuijcaOTineTe? was nofmore man'possibilitt if the temovaljbf the tiracti riff ftf ImryrvQranK ' ' l aa, one j)f e lnissioni consented need tn honor, icbmiwemitted no ink- pdrtaht thincipleHJ plying theA ru!eof th actMal;state of 3T ' . -al 'art ! ..J. I a. . a a' !CJzojuagejqi tne in"fbecondi le rbeafce that ras dishondKibMnojW thttret,;; i-. a:I V: : aMTOVoyn peacefcefwoainl twmiermMI m In If 1 mt . fv l! It W4 a- 'a '-I f N'1 .i. i - 1.. . as.vi." - 1 .';-.! i-jH.- Vy-m:
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