1 -1 - , v 'J - - . it i V Oot are the elamt Cfr.eHehtfnI Peace. -v .. .r. 1 tJuwarnM b trtwrae. ioliv like Bratlier , f :r DEBATE" ON THE; ; . :-:r;": 'continued;. Ah'S MbAxston said, novother trentteraan gecmcd disposed. at tliis timei toicctipy. Uio'floor, be begged leave -to feubmit, a few7 remarks ior.tnexonsiaeraxion'oi ine cowmiux. uyun wis all-imDdrtant dtiestion, He"'aid lier liad liOeI; .with atteji- tioir to tfie.65sertldiiax)f tlie gentleman fromalisbury : but haA' tint hnzrtV.lnm state' ariv: ernevance which1 anT portion ? of the citizens ofithe State experience g uilder ;qqr VreseptCon stitdtion:;-AIl that the-gentleman complained oft js ineqqalitj of repretation tBut, be d onnression'was'felt in any quarter of the State on this ucepdutv !Nor was it likelv'that anv real erround of complaint on this r. neaa woum ever exist ; asane- large anu siuaii vuuiucs.vcrv so'situed in relationto each ieeiing wiin eacn piner ineiriwisues -wcru uic samu h subjects '?Avhich''eome For instance - Rowan and - Orange are, large-counties $ . but they' have Iredell and Person adjoining to them, which are' small ones j ; and so itis -througliput t the State 5- ;whepver there h : a large " county, there is: a shiall bne'neit, '" . same, r So' tnat nothing! like oppreission,c6uM under-ihe present ''system. vWhy,MIen asked Mr. A; call a Convention, and by. doing so convulscjthe State from;brie . trerai;tS-the other"? X: Sitfc '' , ' Lonnecucur, it was saiu, nau amenueu iier vonautuuun, Land why nolTwedd thelsame j- B ut w hat Avaslthe.situ ation of things" there ?,: VWrasrit ja mere inequpity; .ofepresenrioWj that was complained of ?N6 ft was; acontest between 'Church and State; and the Church had been forced to" the NVail. The State New-York, who has lately revised her Con - Jstitutiori, bad also been referml to. . There was thei-e to cdm'-4 plain 01 a council 01 Appomimeni, consisung 01 iour ocna-, tors anithev Governor,; which disposed of every oflSce under the government Bat there isnothing of this vkind ;ih our, government no cbmpl ain't known here on tlie subject of ap pointment to office. - - : v .4 --V.V--;' '' The gentleman trora Salisbury commenced his observations by saying that ouri present constitution was stormed .at nan inauspicious "period. : - For his part, -if we were to have ia Con vention, he should be glad it could mevt under as favourable liurke, Hutherford JUincoIn Iredell, AUQwan y CabSrriiSiIbtitenmemRichro Iqmbusi as aurdiv fdtfeihahdn f . ! viewed asloy ecjEed; ipd6)iac :f ilahs!;ot'publiCvinipro die:StateS Dividing the State Inthisiraahiier apotioii 1 of tlieir weaTul uch applica-D O nqtlliHi I Yinil nnnnuM 1 v o m f huna ' UTniilil lw nrtilanron at t tiniK! IVOI4S troll L'linnni'tA iihifrdnlnAm a r infT nnlUiW ' a natural and nroner jdi visidif there Cwoii Id i be no danger of small coupfies :bpissui!fa ihefefore,to provide against so imaginain'eyiji ylTlic.ren.ark pf -vtb'6. ntlenian7 that" the pool man's' fifty acres . of barren i andr velhi ni ,a pf i negequaUtbn'e rriat I man antsfifty acres jbf tlie mbstleiStile sbil he did ?i); Iconstiec r a de(ectbat;aifcexceliehce'in ConstituUon;viMk A nstUuti 6n ttSLa'HQb treasure, bequeathed to us oyurancestbaft was desirodvs;dt lrapdin? it dowp to PuchildiTn unimbairetl, ; -Mr. vHixi; observed, jthat the, Resolutions before the (coin--mittee1 iintil iy reeomihendinl- to tfie pebnle'the propriety of calling aConventibn,; fori the pieofvinjsndinle: ourvpre- t w .. j ' ' -1 -: v; g - gtf s .-'. - ,t ' I " i iiparuiyconcurreq in : ttesoiutions'wcii worinyMne aiteituon andileliberation of tlieTLcgislatu ine weuare ami prosneruv oi-in ortfi-ijfaroiina; y:.s.;:f. te-?k .That objections (said he) should .be urd against an lin dertakintf pf this kind is not much to be wondered at, parti cularly ,twhen we tainto:rousHieration:the;situafion lM our otate, anu'itiie great uiyeisiTvyoi interest wiucn uiuucKuy pr-s vades it';.But a more favorable opportunity for "eflecting ah araendnieiitrto our Cblistitution,yhe believed, lie v perhaps never .would occur' And if centleVneiOvvre now IdisV posed to vjew the subject witti cold liess and indifference! . wo might hereafter, look in vain jbr its:adoptipn make 'iisurrender , pf all . our pretensions to privilege land ; This HiC'saidYwas no new' subject V it' possessed none of the charms of novelty f and,.pcrhaps hiaiiy. gentlemen, were j already Wofamiliafised to itthat Jhey weiH?rcvchynpWv pre- pared to vote lipoiiv iU without liearirtg its discussion.1 ' If however, by disctissiiiff, fsaid he) anV additional lightsIcanJ ri.ij possioiy oetnrowp ifpon it, xonyinciye pryijs. pnjpneiy.janu -. i expediency; V it , would aifoid to Tits' friends aA matter of some e i consolation. -, r u', ... jtions yei vyellkuowivtb beuNyhpbmealiiid sV 1 d witiysci . 1 bechoped; hbwepr tliat ppo) xy (y : tipnaldingan hd;tjiepara rf i'vaii;; .(H? ; jtive to thenstitu tdbbbWeojn p6icTi6;;fiave ; ( burse! ves . for an mdment pt that? iiiStru tneri i ti iOii riob iect ? ' pis; to she w: .fo, tbe?people its defects, ; and to 3uggftt a remedt M rAnd:wlie'efbld sufe?yWhe r a : by sncif a tran stated tofchaptl required it land helcould notlcpnceiv Biiuigju lincvvi: -rciimia uciiiuu, iimiyereni to nr own; interest ,.v y Mr. Hi aidhe; (elf great, anxiety jjil believed no coUrse i .cdi:jMr:py f wou W; nbjisjime: h aftr'tnersi vf iqualified tlian hipsel an brtuniily b 5(fj H awk Jackio wgedtthe: impoM rjge;. ;tie5ubjcpt -h' "j unuer consHieratiop, . and rejoiced ithHheyirefttlematt' IVom -4 ;. t unionwould not exist. V Some would Insist on beinar' ropre-'li pVcseiit; State: Constitu jibn.ViTiieyiwisely; provided, tlistt- sented according to free population, others according to fed4 disto As ral numbers, ' bere'taccordin to--the-: fckility fof 'OmVsoH. : scibly . upon fair, and .equitable princip1e.s,"and all alike have AnAl nftpp allrhft flonbtwl whpfhftr sn. frond a Constitution' an equal number bf irci)n't.entativcs But it .was not at that would be 'produced :astliat. which we hbw;eiijoy?- This i Con-" ; time foreseen '(fpr ihiiniani wisdpnicould not Ibrcsee all the v v stitution guards and protects the rights, the property and thej umendmcnts;that experience 'might rove to ; be necessary) liberty of every citizen ;be he poor or rich, Jie is equally"! ' that the imipehsepig ' , protected , w -"jj -v. li;':3y,vv"V-' Vvj'r$' large counties:and sraalones; in order to shew the inequality ' mat . equality wihcii at prst was contemplated. -tience liwas - of oun present representation. had nsn ; hence it man to the Convention which sat at Halifax to torm bur pre- was that there existed in this State an eastei h arid western sent Constitution, and to thatwhich convened in Philadel- interest, ju became necessary, phia to foun vthe Coristitutionbf our -.General j Govcrhmcht. - sent unequal representation of the people. - "And for this pur- in neitner ot tnese nnmes was me (listinrrion maue oetwecn injau. ii Janiw-uruuostiu ui situmu iu uieir cuiisiuuriiiiun nic tiV submit to thoi reconsideration large and small couhticsrpj?,. large, and small states. Aacli -:-1 pmpvxety young:! at onr next election, lor or against a ion county had an eual weight jn? the" deliberations" atHaH as each State had in the" Convention at Philadelphia; iSirHaid M. , In the Senate of the United States.'the little States' of Dcla- Ucbmniendins; the mea ware and RboderIsland'have;aK equallToice, with they; large 1 once Ieequ2sti6ned; If, JVov t States of ewYork and rVireirtfa : and; in 'case" of no election ' ftin IlalifaxYMr. piston,) wbb'was lasi'luWbr any1 other Salisbury, (MrVJFisher that tlie HpnsJiWna'nilestedadis-- deniadedi yOT ; ; platedinthingjjes ' institutions pjg that whicli jrhighfe sons ; ;and under: su the first enquir ought to he areereejfects in utpre (:K sent CohsUtutip i r who liadysuppte had ; y r I y I ;'4 j represented- aintbri tat to ne hei sp :m poin; ,tacitl4P admiti the ly ;obno)dbus to believe thtas a of goyernmeiit torf fix? upoir a principle which)shbujd equalize K v representan -jsysteni " founded up uupiimuir;ariu::veaiuiy A. this i basi5jto shew thb inequality syste of Tepreseni impossible ; and if, "as 'he hadsstatedi ihe; ,frendspf ?ue:l&';:y' -1' solutions coutd find no s other nri nd nle ;brthe C.ntifiitimi ' -" 4 ' iobiectibtiaM uiv wcj-vt auum yui uucuiyiLwvwuiy aiisveivtue; enquiry. r:r,; ' We lare about toNtoiichlwiih Unhallowed political safi tion,; and tbrbw je cb being: made by the pebble. of the President of Hhe' U. States, i (g the choice is' left, to theHouse ofRepresehtatives wHb;;vb not accortung toineir numucrs, out oy p taxes j so tnai v tue 4w.wiiyng.iusuumiuj jjui n iiiuy smallest States have as much 'weight ih that important elec ' tion;'as;the, largest.-' f Hfe'-bclicy'ed the 'principle toh'tened. for ocl-.p thciracl by the ceatle'mawwas ri and iret had to, be triedtliat is,- hesitated nbf to , say tJiat tliey vyere liaW ink 1 ' t v ei e i a at m m 1 'w-tm ma 4 t ma f I ' 1 V i 4" n ir ffl tf Afk n ' tplass the-est jnteitof the btatef Idea--Jay Government we are told, f said MK H) was instituted t.ir T he gentleman from Sal isbu ry . has undertaken several counties, accof ding toheii; eastern or Western ooservauons lounyed on omciai statements and numerical cal-r f ulatibris! whiclpiM Uion&utd ! witkai dniv Ki-nf ln 'Icf. i ilatT flint ho' n?ocDnfntv.oan lirarne for ypuielvesia i-Ei liopcd ? y heCsjibiiid be exeisedi fbtihdu of iv?v iuvl;AAw;.'AliXJii" Or-fForty.-iivcearsrsaid ampti quota i He said each the. same c comph havim contrastwhat jiberty s lied wrmelbbr , siioulbbe ;dberadhalterableM: but y' y V : :'ft;htiKlieutttaave perlectf os-- ;': ' S';: ito'i iieA:lliV.l-Vis A -i A.y.ivy-.?tt :"?:' :