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U' 9 . :.nh ahsskk Mk$. . . JT ' J " ' i- -r i- i t " i - ' ' r . a--a- . m i STATE: COIXTEWXIOj. k 'Mn'i Atonddu, Junt 8. : - -.m,'' .-J T?Aliiti.-n- was this moraine: .4 pid ,tUh pray trjipltf Bv. Dr. ttcPhertwt, of the 3?trt?oiciivch.'. ; , -'-"Ttk-favi--itHMl'eM apreared, - - wrqS(hini ftookilhcir- set..fr. 8kihner, 'U Clwwao, Mr. Holm, of ;;New-Hanover, Mr. eawVttoflCEwrtnioa tk'CftNiis, ofrWasb- -'.'. Mir. jj I8rti N ,from ;the. CoTOroittw ap poiutej io krni Mea foY thV; government of - s fcortlbfilW'i-ftft.wM adopted ;f- feita few remand cueHy on an amendment proposcu toltf mit eeftainiiHc&oittto; of the ? Cbuirh, wnich jwa fleeted, GaJlenes are ppropriated to j'thefailwpf persons who desire io hoar tbe'proceeiVuijf of thf Contention. ? Ontf of tW role Spoiled 'for feiment of this body, provides that the yea n& neyt rfiall b UiLeaon the caUJofne-fiilh of the membera pre- afcotj i. ' -; 'v, V vMriwoifoteJ to amend ttxis provWon. so nt tfiyeaa and nay should be' taken on the call of ny indiviJual member : but after a fev remark 4 ftnt member of the coinmiuce, atatinff that the rait aa reported J wa in conformity -with Ihepntc , .5 i n I 'l -t eVoAN'lt:thft(mtoAtion meet eeiry 4y a IP o'clock, A: M.i tmleaa otherwise ordered1 '.. The Question thereon waJeciied -in the afRrrfe live; without aehateH Dri.1 Smith .haia ieaawea hie moiin, the Hooaeiidjouraed. - - After Prayer by the Rev. Mr. Jamieson, of thrMe thodirt Charch, 't : ; Mr, Jacocht moved that the Renolntion laid on Ae table, a day ortwo thmn in relation to procuring certain tatiirticaf5nfonnation be taken up for eont deration : which 'wm aercfed to.' The Resolution bavin; been read, Mr. j. iid,f that the object of it was in a ereat measure superseded by the adoption of one of BimiUrmport offered WMr. G7e- Thera was however a Urixle mint "fmbrnced in hit RmoIu- tion.'on tvhich he Still desiraJ information, for the barpose of obtaining ' Which, he vr oulJ modify it by ptrikinff out thex whole after ! the word Resolved and inseitin? ' That aaij 'Committee report the number of votc taken in each county in the State upon the Con ventibri Question, on the first and ae- eohd days of April last?' The ProsidVht havinsr stated the ouestioni Mr. nyiiio&i. remarked, thai? if he "could per ceive any rndalrestiltTvhich8'could now from the proposed Vnquiry he jwould cheerfully vote for it. h Convention vote. ' In'1324, the a??rcgate - - f I - I1 . , ! I ' 1 .1 '-. J, - v . -- enlizhlen-.the: popKA hoped Ito pee the digioal propationrf diVncumberedfof the acerJ inend Iba Printcr'a hawdj andonkl soon be Wore ua. ' ; He .moved therefore to .iiodify the Jieaolutkm oasj to proviae for the uppoircmeni bfitelect Committee, ta prepare the table 4pred, instead of imposing, the labor'on the original I ;oro mitf-e. 4He moved thiu-.jdifieation to mee the vieWofthe ertilemea from Perquimons and J urke tWilswi vJ Gaimer) thongh he believed 4 im practicable io obtain the information akeJ for t and if obtained, iat ii would be totally irrelevant td any matter at iue. ;Themneverad been any resular returns of the vote at. the Ausywtppleetion of 1 133., the statement published having ben informalr' far. nished by Membera of Assembiy. s It would be inV poasible to ascertain the nomber of while voters fur the simple reason that one half the Clerks dvt iot, in their return io tbf Compftoller'a-office, di tin guiah s Iwtween the; black atidj white polls ; ai 1 if they Hid, votere olver 45 werenpt attbject to taxa oil, and therefore not! included. . j Jt Gentlemen hadTpoken of the thinwrote in J prll last Thev miirhr be aatonnhed to learn that, - itb - ; i- -v;ir If w.a larerest eeneral Vote in k Rtota Aft anr Occasion, inn cpntiorf "was the Presidential vote off 1 628. lice-of Concress. and. of most of he other,' Iegw j desmnj the information vote of 1824 for President ' W1hhUm inifUiunn: that it would? prevent aJiiriTiduainember from untieresaarily protraet IUnjj the publie biisinesa vand that no instance ever occurred of a retusal to take tne yeaa anu nj, fhen called for on any important :aubjactthe mo-. YeitwitntHew bU motioiu k-;& T- Oft mUon SCO "copies of thrRidea trero ordered tohe printed." ; ! '- ' itide OaaTOX, from he Committe appomtcd to J fnmder and 'jpafc the .manner in .m hich U -be expedient to take up the buMneaa qf the Conyen .. tiori,aaaea Repori, (See next ige "( p .; Afitfrreadin? the Reporter. Q aaid, if U '"iina nw In dtr,:tj would proceed very briefly, to ' ahi.:w what frkna miotbt in'oL after the Report ' has been read, be thought neeaairj. the view that i . tbeCokmltte took on thw aubject, The tmTnie,ih aaiJ, couaerad cmaelvca as charged wh p other duties than to report to the ConvenUona'conveirient andrregular mcthodof treating th several , malOsrs aubmitted by the Act ttf eoBAleriHg this sulijcct, the Committee made mani&at dittinction Wtweenrhat the ?ejptc, la apptovio?; add aacttoning the Act of Assembly, ' havidetennirfihall Iw donc by the ConvenUoii, and what they have left to their discretion. 'With respect i "if. the first elaes of duties, the (he dofltiimtrje thought H proper to pr&po the ap pointment of tWc jdistinct cmmit:'cv co- : :: ! r Tt-I : " f.am Mftl: Prvil. I (rjrefi.nal ?Diatriet to prepare plana for 'carrying Uiem into clTeca. .1 . ' ' Withrregard i to the discretionary subjects, the Committee begged to be understood, that they have ' ad other object in '.vicW,- but to bring the several Tjattera contained in the act befe e; Convention . )n sue.a formaa that the sense of (hat body may be-distinctly takca ; upon them, "without any jecom- ' ' mendation for their adoption. ::Tbi tmmineel'' m framed a Resolution ug srgeigheappinl Commit tee upon eve ry amdtnent theCrtijtitution mentioned in the . JAttv : f Aiaemb and leave it,' tothe Coaven ' tio&td determincf the Vrrbpricty of appointing such ComttAtee:Ifthey should determine that it ia unnccer they can da eline apporihg theemmltteai , v vThinin-wli0e:Co act op- n eichlleewluucnia be, for their wisdom to do-termme.'-, '' y" ' . ' . . ,i. The Coriventlbri -can. at orie declare its vnwill-j " ingness toac yfkniahy subject they may refer lae matter- wr' vommuice, w""1 U(n aia Tepon, reject u a incicui rwjoch induced them !t five -if:fe of lle ip- .-- f wreeirt.t!bn. Pertain. little eons 4er'!3 1 WHt. it ViwlJ be expeetal lh.t he thU ff of renrfnttlnn. Perhan mayenble W dine over the:most obvifu ot j the realms. The jjreatpur,po$s f all Qv-J cruiucriis is in prruoic kHE unj.i.iicn3 ,4.- the safety of U5 cinasens, ' Power must be con ferred which Is adechiafe to These) mrwe but c ire ahould be takvn to pUcetit Jn tnr.bands of 4 those who are not likely 'tOj abuse it: t0 tiie pnr. ppeiof wrng anttioppressjon Were there nre fiortioha if the comraumty, t who in addition to tlie interest !t fiey feel in their eoqniry's ffoud, haveicertairi int-rest,of tleir ewn -whose c- of a kin.t distinenfrom thow of their fellow-citiens ) pnWiearr System. : Before 'ffew;rali)wanlsthe)fe;- portions are fehtively 1 General Cioytniment, T weak in comparison witlt the rest of the S'rate thne is always rMl danger lest their rights should be ovtt looked or invaded. It is esscnti al that there should be secured to them some j :"hkjfS1iSaith saldr as lie hatLaubmftted the. when we so ardently deiee-'to build tm mm lm ercial citJea within out Jwders . what Wj u. thougnt of theplan to disirancbiiie ail the town In the State h Sorely, the intelligence win not oti mi pleasantly in. thtf ears of their tahabiumg , Sdrely sach a plan does not exhibh very cheer, tnpf;tirtdence of determination tt5 encou14, commerce or to- fjiye aecurity and actirtty 9 mercantilttofepTievoT. may i,, prtvernd-dyaTcetieStatei . ., r ?f of4l eriu afesfcnr from contested Town fje. nm wiiAM ia its sunnnrfi 1 Lie 'had lonrcon sidered the subject oj Uorolgh, Representation, and haftcomertotheinclawow thatnt-ongntto ..AbprtsHerJ; irad.reside4rla one ftvesf 'tlorbttgbii for near.jrfotty fears fwfiA he aafrweji aeqinted with thofeyil wlsVngfro ndileti4Wcff,,,t,l? to. to Bvreugh ? town! aserivfjtorn llnfflaW? where it Was introdacel for tho encouragement of traded uchesxabliintentai rhvKh an swered the purpose of the Ilritnh MJtiarcblcal Government, but they are not suited to btiP Ite the rstenje of the own Keprefematire mkrht have been useful for- the eneourjrement of Commerce but hyi the Consjilution of the United Stales all matters tf commerce are trans" ferred to the P..lrrl finvrrftmpnt..? an tint friend who will aeetrfbeir grievance, shall WTl h" atooS 1.1 k,atlliailn I . Vl D r 1 ini ' ' .l - . ' w . ...... I , thing bnt the Inspection laws tint was necetu Mr; Jneochi renlied. that he wanted. thev informa tion foY his 'constitnents. He did. not know that it would aid the Convention in vamvire; nf any parti cular conclusion, outfit would be satisfactory to the public. .. . ' h & Mr. Jfifron, of Pcrquiraons, rose to move an aj mendrhcnL It waa certsinly very desirable, before our; old Constitution was upturned, and its structure utterly demolished,! that every fact bavins a bearing on the subject should be madeVpnblic The people have a right to this information ; they-ought to know their real strength and what potion of them it is who desire so gTeat a change Jin our fundamental law. If tbi injformation iroea orth under the sanc tion of this Convcntibrt!twill be received by the people as having the aiamo of authority uiwn it. He therefore moired to amend the Resolution by adding as follow : i 'l And ibat said Committee also enquire and re port the nnmbrr of free white voters in each county. If he remembered correctlv. 'the Census of 180 showed the; nlimber of vfcte males, entitled to vote, to b lietween 80 and 85,000MWhile the recent vote on the Convention Question exhibited enly 27,000 votes in favor of the measnro And no doubt the vo ters had greatly increased in the time intervening between the last Census and the late vote, judging by the rate of increase since 1790. which he estima ted at 30 percent, up to 1830 and 15 per cent fince. It is important tha the people should know these and similar facts, so that they may act understand ing when the Constitution is presented to them for ratification. Ho, hoped the amendment would prevail Mr ' Wellborn said, it was tfmvthc late vote was a comparatively small, one ; but did not experience show that the penple would not turn out to vote un less under the influence of some strong motive. The majority obtained was a Constitutional one, and that was sufficient. Al respects informing the peo ple; they already know all that it was propesed to communicate to them by the desired publication. Mr. Gilet. bemir one of the Committee to whom the subject was proposed to ba referred, was opposed tor the adoption of the amendment, simply on the ground of the im practicability of obtain rtj the infor mation called for . Perfectly willing to undergo any labor which might devolve upon the Committee, he was convinced there was no sour: 3 whence it tvould be possible to obtain the number of free white voters in each county in the State. ill' Mr. JConper hoped the amendment would prevail. It was a suffi :ient 1 reason for its adoption that the .people wanted light on the subject embraced in it . Judge Gotten begged leave to make one remark oh jthe proposed amendment. He was sorry to see the amendment resisted, because gentlemen could not discover the benefit which might result from it He thought it a sufficient reason for its adoption, that respectable gentlemen, stated the information was wanted to throw light on grave questions of deep in terest "Without a spirit-, of courtesy and harmony, it would be impossible to transact the business which they were delegated to perform ; and from experi ence, he was convinced that nothing would have so great a tendency to destroy that harmony as an at tempt to Withhold information which it is alleged, is necessary to r ible gentlemen to arrive at correct conclusions. He was not certain that the informa tion sousht for would, when obtained, throw any great light on the questions at issue ; but he was not certain that it would not. We could not however, have too much information when engaged in chang ing the fundamental institutions of the country. It was with the most perfect sincerity that he had voted for calling ihis Convention. He had been in fluenced by an ardentjlesire to quiet the hcart-buwi. ings which the question had engendered ; but tho he voted from a deliberate conviction of expediency, he confessed he had dope so with fear and trem bling. They were engaged in no ordinary act of legisla tion. What they should do, would be for the good or evil of North-Carolina, God knows for how many generations. Xet then gentlemen, if they want in formation, have it there cannot be too much. He agreed with the gentleman from Wilkes (Mr. Wellborn) that it was not necessary a majority of the oualined voters , should have actually voted for calling a Convention, it is sufficient that there wa9 a Constitutional majority a majority of those who did vote. ex- :be much smaller tian ote for Electors of president and Vice-President, k as 36,036 . in 1828 it was 51,776; and the nun xr of votes polled for; and against the Convention in April last, was 49,244. He spoke of the estin tte which had ben made of the increase of popula on fv Mr W5Wn a p.rrnneous. and expressed jthiyJ opinion that so far from our population havingin creased 15 per cent, botween - the years 1830 ind l ass it hit nnt wnilled 3 ner cent indeed he aas not sure that it had not diminished, instead of v Ifvinir: ier br votibi-jurainst any proposition, , steed be no scruples) of delicacy, as is frequently the MM-nhen "eonsiderinc a Rcaolution moved by an individualist resdrotions are reported by a Committee asorrmng a plan, of opeiation for the CAnveniion to act upon as they may 'judge proper. fr Ju?e GJ suooosed this axnlanation scarcely neccs- ' aary .b'ut the matters on ' which, M Convention, ari called upon to act, arevso momentous in prih- clptt, and may be to important in their conaequen-ev-th1Vwisne4-- inWr4aatisfy hemselves on every oueaoni and to coma to a -decisioa only ;sfter.fuUtnd frctdiscussion. i t5 Anotion was made the Report Ha on the table and be Tainted. , . ' " The President said the motion to print was in rBc? Repok would, of course, lie on the u fefenttt calicdnp Gon. 8f kiobt did hot object to piintingth t Report; bat said it would lve time if the Convention would takc uo and refer the two first Resolutions, to which t aupposed thei. could be no. objection, to appoint propose d Cdrnmittces , as fhey could then imme diately prepare ther necesssiry materials for making Reports to tha Convention. He therefore made thai motion. . ' Judge' D3tiRt was opposed to the reference of t&aiLbjeets io question to a select Committee, at present. H. would prefer committing the subject te i Committee of the whole, in order to settle the ; qviestioh as to' the number of members of which each loupe-fiihoubV consist When this matter was ad ..Justad, ir' would bei proper to refer -the subject, to a ,i 8et Committee, to prepare the details of a bill to "carry; the views ofc Coavmtion into effiict . , 'Dr. J.: SSxitji thought the proper course was thai Recommended bj the Committee, in the Report Just read. The Committee proposed, would con aist of a member from each Congressional District, tarsi wonhl byia full and free examination of the . subject, &e able to form such a plan for effecting the - leading4 objects of the Convention as would proba- My meftl&e approbation of a large majority of the moniScu present When.thU Rciort came before the Convention, either in whole or in part, it would W examined, discussed, and probably amended . fAfter.a desultory debate of some length, on the .motion to take up tlte Resolutions just referred, the . . .cuestiOn- waa decided in the affirmative. ' The first Repiution behig. under conaideration, Mr. Wilson 1 1 Perquitnons, moved to amend it rr striking out sne member from etch Congressional District" and Inserting " one member from each Judicial. Du- 'triet. . . On this motinn, coiiKiderabie debate arose, eernectijrjo-; of the pjratyn wss called fwr, and it Was first taken on striking out, and decided in the negative, 74 to 51 . Mr. Qaitftrri ixuivol to amend the Resolution by providing lt :the appointment of ire comtniuces of " -thirteen: each Tbne to consider of the amendment, to bo made tp the Constitution, so far as rexpect Bepresentatbo in the Senate; the other to coikl- ar,.of amend menu in reUtion to Representation in tba House of Comrm-ns. I'Jcgarived without a ceunt Mr. MfOneeu then moved to enlargu the Committee, . fitvm, to 2$ members, being two from each Congressional District Thia motion r prevailed, and tbe following ; gentlemen were pho i son to eonatituta siL Committee,-vix: J. L ' Bai- ley, Jei3 WU:.i, Dayid Outlaw, Judge Daniel, Joseph' Hal.ey, Jo4ah Collins, R D. &piht Jcs- ' as 3ietght. Uv.f O ven, U wen Holme. Josiah Cru . dap, WilBaeaP. Williams, John lX. Toomer, John B. Klly, 4.' a.;Smkh,,'Kimbrough Jones, J. M. MnrbMil, E. T Brodnax, Charles Fiahcr, Alex. Cray, D. M. Banlnger, J. M.. Hutcbeson, Gov ' Swain, J.- McD.; Carsony Samuel King andGeorce Bowers. ;-'-: !-';'? ; j-'Mr'. J S'M temarked that the Convention having now arrived at a lonvcnicnt point, he t$gfed aeuMt. f Atr.-dlf.ns who ubiil?tted the fol-5 FZ proeuwd might uVire , ! : T ""w uuiLHie vlsecx ot that infonna . .t jUofltJ.nottoIoBwa thajjaboca of ti.is body; but t not creased. He repeated he had no objection to the proposed enquiryf but for the purpose stated, pre his modification. ' he would accept the gentlem modification, his only object bcinq; to spread inbr- mation before the public which he deemed essentia. The several amendment were then agreed o, and the Resolution adopted. The Chair appoirjed on the Committee, Messrs. Jacocks, Jones, of We, Tit. Smith, of Oranire. moved to consider ihe .7 j - r . ,s second Resolution resorted bv tha'ceneral Comuit' tee, being thet. unfinished buiina of yestord Aerced to. Gen Wellborn moved to omeftd it so as to maKO ie number f members composing the, Commune, to correspond with the Commitee under the first ReJo iu tion. I Gen. Speigt of Greene, objected. It wojld make the Committee too largj. ! Large bodies mdVe slowly, and large Committees , could not dcsptitih business with the facility of smaller ones. Hs thefc forc suggested tojthe mover the propriety of wih drawing his Resolution. " ! Gen. Wellborn accordingly; withdrew it j Mr. JfiTtow, ofPcrquimons, moved to trp out i" one from each Congressional District," ajid insert "one from each Judicial District He sakl this arrangement would embody more fully the.sn rit which prompted the Legislature to call tfcjs Convention. j' Gen. . Wellborn opposed the amendment It was absurd to contend that the principle. of selcctilg Committees from the Judicial Districts was corrw Mr. Mc Queen called for a division of the qui. tion. ; " ; Judge Cation said, that next in importance to the great work of amending the Constitution, was the duty imposed by the second Resolution Personally, it was rnatter of little consequence to him how the Committee should be constituted whether the members should be taken from tie Congressional or the Judicial Districts. Rut it ought certainly not to be so srmll as proposed it should he sufficiently lare to represent tlie views and interests of the various sections of tli$ Stite. ' - Mr. Wilton (of P.) said he appreciated the force of the remarks made by the g-entlemai from Craven, and therefore modified his amends jvent so as to provide fr the appointment of twi members from each Judicial distric'.instead of oe. The question bein? loudly 'Called for, and the President having stated it to be fir ;t on s;rikinj( out, Mr. Jacock demandetl the ycat and nayi which stood as follows : ayes 61, noes 64. S the motion was lost. Judge Gaston moved a ver bal amendment, to make it correspond wuh the' H . . 1:1.1. V V first Keaolution, ana .is amenaeti, me aeMiuuoi was passed. Tlie following members were . cho sen to constitute the Committee, v'z : Messrs! Skinner, R ranch, Louis D. Wil-on, Mryan. Meares, Gilliam, Toomcr, Montgomery, Shoberj Giles, Shipp, Burchett and Pob on. ' . . " JJr. Smith" of Orange, said be presumed th next Rcsosulion would be considered in Corr mittee of the whole, but to j aflbrd gentlemen time for reflection, & a comparison of views, h$ moved to adjourn 4 but withflrew the. motion, at the 8Ugo,rtnn or Judge Gaston, ,hat no, motior had yet been made t submit the rem ining' Reso 1 1 . a. a . . juyons 10 sum a iomnuuce..; a mo i ion tc th 4 ciicuv, i.i.,.kn uii ini wiki. i.wu w cacni and carried, Dr. Sm th renewed his motion, and! the Convention adjourned be made known and "their wants communicated, where relief may be ba l, ami that they shall not ' s rmide to bear mo-e thin .their fa r share of thev public burthens. Mrty of the subjects af tasa tionjire to be principiliy Dund in inoorporrfted towns. ;Taxatlor without representation always must lead to oppression. However deposed Jhe Legislature might be to tlo exact justice in-the apportionment of taxes, unless the int erests of" these towns were d'rstiticily reprsented, they might be in the situation of a Judge, who heart! but one ide of a cate. Tha Rep,resentatiy; a from:afew towcst in protecting the interests of their immediate conatituents, became thus to a certain extent, i euardians of the interests of all the towns in the State. They were so few that ' their, votes eouhl hwe-hut little influence on the decision but ,hy secured for these interests a fair hearing. ' . Another reason no doubt had its weight with tha Iramers of our Constitution. Agriculture is the gWat interest of this State. It ii decidedly an Agricultural State bnt it r- not exclusively so. Erey enlightened man knowa4 that corn mere is the 1-est frieivdlnf Agriculture, yet.eve ry man of experience knows that feuds will sometimes occur between the best friends. There will be occasional jealousies and rivalries andthese, unless restrained, wilf burst out into acts of enmity. ; There is eminent need on these-occasions that the tew aiw! the weak'should find A protector in the Legislative Hall. The strong may protect themselves, but the weak must invoke the protection of authority. And evenlwhen there are:no misunderstandings and no conflicting interests, Repress ntatVves are ge neratjy n anted who, from their pursuits and as sociati'ons, are familirly cognisant with those subjects to which the-great boly of the Legisla ture ipiust necessarily be strangers. '"How can we elpect commercial, coneei.hs to be madej telligible to a body of country' gentlemen, so a, to procure a '"wholesome legislation upon them,' except through the representatives of towns ? For correct information in every art, recourse is had to those who profess it. You go to the build er fo't? estimates belbrej-ou ereet your house, you Consult the physician when your health is attacked, and ask advice of the lawyer when your property is cuntested.' Or. questions which .you have never had occasion to consider total ly foreign from your hkbitv you are called up-j on to legi date. Surely it is wise that there be sume associated with you on whom yotf'may re ly&t correct informaiion. Out forefathers had probably discovered from experience under our colonial stale', that the re presentatives of Boroughs (as they are called) were usually distinguished for intelligence, firm ness and independence, an 1 might, have been unwilling to deprive the. Legislative councils of the aid of such men. It cannot be doubted but that the collision of rffihds strengthens the men tal faculties. .When men are brought int close c.onneciion and interchange habitually their opte nii'in on the various subjects which engage their attention as social beings, there will be this col Jiion4 He who reprrsenia constituents lo every line of whom he is intimately known; and with whom he every day associates, feels thnt h $ le. gisIat.Ve acts arc not subjected to that misrepre sentation, nor his motives to that rmsonstiuc- on, Which might with greater success be at tempted againstone less favorably situated, tf such attempts be made they must be made open- y, an 1 can be instantly met. He is not under the necessity of travelling first to one and then to another corner of a c m.tly to explain nt vindicate ; his conduct. Without claiming for him an extraordinary portion of vitrue, he can thi d'stVancbisemnUv. Sir'viit Mr- G- in ih town wivereidrew rhy firsts id J)ope todrt rnyy.Ust ihr?ath,,-nd; whicli- rsfwie in tje county that I have thf fionoc in part, i0re, present, auch 'Cotr.ta linve indeed i occurr aid. have beenVcoriicted;witli naCCrimi,, which airpaty ejWests never fail torengend. Our citixen haYe ttCC isionally ,&een r .Sited o. ttial no!ilic:Upnrenzv ironjii'Pa "'uiB inj. ry to be attended to by our leglslitiire.in behalf of these. Uofough town. It is true, thai men of talents arc frequently sent to the Legislajure to represent these townv but if the townSj were deprived of the privilege of sending members, the ame men would probably be elected' from the counties in which the town "tare situated. f Besides, professianallmen and coantry mer chants are, frequently sent to the Legislatore by the counties and commercial men could whene ver they pleased, present any object to the Gev nefal Assembly by way of memorial, which would doubiless be attended 9m " Has the monlcondition of the Borough to wns, asked pr.3)mproved by thV-priiilege which they Possess of sending members trtbe f gisla ture 7 On the contrary, the annual elections,1 it t ii'iiurious, in. most or tne tnwn, are pmouct; ive of feuds, qnarrels andJloo;lihed I Mechan ics and gathers are excited by the ptrtie inte rested in such "elections- business is neglected, and the morals of the people are corrupted. These excesses may not be be' so prevalent in the large towns as in the smaller though, he presumed, they existed to some extent in all And he could see no reason why a few men re sident in a town should ponsess as much politi cal power as the largest county in the State. At time when we arc about to, .correct irregularities in our Constitution this' inequality ought not to be overlooked. lie hoped therefore, liis motion would be agreed to. j n ! Gen. Wellborn doubted the propriety of abol ishing Borough Representation altogether, know ing from experience, that the most talented members of the Legislature are generally sent by these towns. It is true, that these men might be elected to represent the counties in which the towns are situated, were the town elections abolished, though lie was aware of the existence of a prejudice in the cotintr against taking members from towns. He thought the Seaports, where the commerce of the country is principal ly tarried nn, and whose interests are distinct from those of thecountry at large, oight to send Represent:ttives who understand, and who would be able t defend, tliem. .' He should like to hear the subject further discussed. Judge Daniel said, it true, that some of the uorougn towns were small, but they contain ' Wtlfc. Au&ot- Mr. Gaither rose to move an amendment, viz " that the Committee report a Tabular Statement showing the vote of the I people on the Convention Question, at the Election in 1833. The vote taken in April last he contended, was not a fair test in asmuch as it was not the usual time of holding elec tions, and the people did not turn out. But in Au gust when they had been accustomed to repair-to the Polls," the vote was some indication of the strength of the friends of Conventio t Mr. Jacocho hoped the amendment would prevail, though he did not, believe a Poll was opened in his county (Perquimons) on the question. M,r. King had no objection either to the original Hcsbiutiito -r the amendment but he thought there was: a marked difference between the vote of 1833 anu i two. i ne nrsi yas tween without the sanc tion of the Legislature, and the question was. Will you alter the Constitution or not ? In 1835. .the npple went with a perfect understanding of the qnestion to the Polls. It was directly propounded LA re you fur, or n?ain$t a. Convention! One reason wny me peopie aia not more generally turn out at the last Election, was, the certainty of success, as indicated bythe ,vot ojf l 833 Another was, the busy season had just commenced among the farmers, and they were too mpich engaged to leave their lwmes: Mr. Wilson, of & said, that in April laat. the people, were callinl out for a specific object which w&i laid down in the Act of Assembly, to be found in almost every voter's house. Why then was there not a generaf turn out?, have bought a voice of oxen anu cannoi come 41 have married a wife and "'"-"" vwuiis, i obr. mese excuses were all Collide red evasions in Scriptnrfc and en. he n. suraed, were he reasons given why the voters did not turn out. He would trtl the gentlemen from , 5 Wb7 J. ?ot.S?--teyere dissatisfied with the Act. nod did nftt' fii ;n.rn. :u tfctn ,vHthaake4 lb gentleman from Burke fMr Gaidier) for lusmewlmcnt He Lat& gation, and wanted aU t&e Ught that could be tlwown t'rtM; .ifi.t. a. -aLIm .Ia ....... . -TT--. w uw in wKi uon io ill inf in'nrrai. Wednesday, June 10, , After Pravcr bv the Rev. Dr. MThcetfrs. Mr. Council Wooten, a Delegate from Lenoir, ap-i peared, was qualified and took his seat. j Mr. Letuer laid on the table a Resolution propos' ing the appointment of a Committee to whom should! be referred so much of tan Act providing for this! Convention, as relates to the reduction of the number; of the members of the Senate and House of Com- mons, for the purpose 'of reporting a plan for carry -i ing tho same into effttct Gen. Jacock-e;- from the Committee appointed to report the number of votes given in favor of a Con vention at the election in August 1833, as well as at the late election, ' and also the' number of ovudified voters in the State, made a Report, which was or dered to be printed. The Resolutions Yesterday referred to a Commit tee of the Whole coming up for consideration, on motion, the ConvenUon resolved itsHf into a Com mittee of the whole, and the President called Gov. Sitm to the Chair. Dr. J. 8. Smith moved that the Committee take up the lltn Resolution, which has relation to the meeUng ofthe'GenTal Assembly, whether it shall be annual or biennial. He thonehtilit bpst tn tv up this Hesolimon; in preference to the 3d in relation to JJorough members, which was fir.t in order. Several membera objecting to this course, and de siring the Resolutions to be taken up regularly, the question was taken for first considering the 1 1 th. and negatives w " ; The third Resolution, which directs, an enquiry whether any and what amendments are prop, r loin; made as to the exclusion in whole, or in part of Co rough Members from the House of Commons, i"jas then taken up for consideration, i 71-, r C ".. t 3 , . . jji . m. u. uwwt itiwyeu io sltisr oui me wnotooi l veiitute with more confidence to follow out and suktun with manhueS'i his own convicu jos ot right.; II the framer of our Constitution thus believed., our experience under t tie Constitution ha proved that this belief was well founded. It is not always that the towns which have the right of representation in our General Aasemly have ami their ablest and their best men. Hut .ill will admit that geuer-lly the town members have jbeen among ihe most inteLizent, liberal and independent members of tlut body. Are not these and reasons like thete, sufR cientjo warn us against a hasty determination to iholish altogether IJorough representation ? Tnere imy be some ot the seven towns to whom the right has been given that are now too incon .siderable lo be permitted to retain it. It such ie the case, let !u reform as tti them but under the idea of rcfor ning, let us beware .of ra.nh iu novation. f It may be, added Judge G. that I am under a bias trosn the circiimstaivcc of my resuliiii' & hi' vin,? alr.iy reside. in One of the towns to which decapitation s threatened. However thi may tie n can not ueirucr trom the torce Ot the re4 son which I have sugssted, if Upon consider ation it appears ta the Cm niitee tht they in deed have' -force. From the citizens of tltut town 1 linvjs received no communications on the sub ject but 1 cannot dou'ut their opinions. -..With a lull knowledge thai one of the Questions which was to oe referred to this Convention wi fie propriety of dislrancliising them of a right which must be dear lo thcin tro.n long enjoyment an! J experience or us utility, with a voice ahno.t unanimous they gave their' suffrages Hbr a Con vemioii. They resolved to pent this right in an attempt to reconcile discoidant sectional inte rests, and to remove those lieait burnimrs which misirusv ana prejudice Had spread througu our land..: 4- " t '; 'ft ?' ' 'v In this hope he had concurred with them He earnestly trusted that the attempt might be uccesful, but it could not br, tinlrss a spirit of harmony whs encouraged heie. This spinf cer tainly required that in what was called the struggle torpourer, a minute and catenating jealoasy should be suppr.a.el. A member more or a inember less o i One or the other side ot the-l state w;.s in itseit a matter of very btile momeiv. As judged a struggle ffbr power, he vieVcd the subject irt Cdnveniion asgreaily exiggrtedby ihe tifcar of the one and in the aspiraiions of the ui..- Kcwn n uie co nmunity, Oi his friends tlie Resolution, after the word j Resolved. and le Bast, wtto Irti.l heretofore possessed ft . . , ... u.u,uuiuugii A.ci-AMJin.t- T .-..r., iiA. jiiijjniy oeiicu.s n.-ive -iwe -wonenoreiy. . ; . , i -i-JSltkWW'irqril it f And to-Iiis-brethren of the W.t' The question being called for on this anndme4lff,r0o,)'; yod"' iMeThoped that they would ,8ar' a oiu man as presum.ituotis in ven tiiniig thei : pd.c;iroi4i in Ki..ig theglitterin, pr zf, theV w.t) essentially k,;d '"C value far below the estimate which they wow put upon iu In the formation of a Weinment, the en wens caif-meet udoa no other ground than that bjT precis equality of power-but in the aiT-nemehti 6fa invent. oicni p is imjiossi we o pursue a schem V f ma- men of t dents, and sent able Representatives to he l-eg statu re i and, as had been remarked by the gentleman from Craven,, political power cannot be equally divided. Some nortions nf country are. more advanced in know'rdjje and civilization than others, so that a state of equal ity cannot oe pre-crmed. Judge D. gave an historical account of the origin .of Borough Re present ition and of the Honse' of CootmoiM in England, which he said arose from the creataid i wnicn tne trading and wealthy pornon of the community hnd, it in their nwer to afford to the j King in carrying-oVi War.JScc. " Judge D denied the position of the gentleman from Orange thit because Congress bad the power to regulate commerce, there was now no necessity for Bet- rougn members to. take cars of commerctar In- terests in our Leglslarure.tThe commerce which t.ongres3 regula'cd was the commerce of the United States with Foreiirn Countries wh.rn he trading'iiiterest which the Borough "mem bera were expected to attend to, were tlursj of our own State--and especially to see that this portio'i ot our amen' were not overburdened with more thtti tlieir doe portion of ttxes. lie was aware that the election of these members were at time .productive, of a good deal of ex citement and bad feelincr i.but tliis was an evif. n some others which atten 1 the enjoyment of mc pnvueges or a free Government. He hoped the motion would be disagreed to. Ji-ir. Dpcherjf moved to except the towns of iHcwbem, Wilmington and Fiyetteville, from the motion of the i"-:ntleman from Oranre. Mr. Halseumoved to strike out Favetteville. and add rldhton to the amendment nrorxiserL The President declared the motion out of or der. . ' ml Judge Gaston observed, that t"ie amendment to the amendment, bnuht before the Commit ter the question of partial, in preference to total abolition of B.rough representation. - It was difficult to diacius this precise question, with out adverting to the principle involved in the original amendment. He hoped therefor, that he would be excused for adding a Tew wbr ls.in, reUtion to the general question, which would bear also upon the immediate propo-siti'iffi. ? . He thought the gentlem tn from Or.nge mic rurate in tracing the origin of representation in the.English H m?c of Comtnons-The grinding to Boroughs corporate powers for the regu lation" of their intern d concerns. aroe from ihe desire to encourage and faster thrir pursuits their mercantile trading andmechnicalne? rations. But t lie incorporation of JV iroughs was not to be confounded with their sending of re- prsseniauves to Parh.on.ent. Tlie: Titter had ns; cngin m anofher principle, which m'ght be callei Jthe very founddio-iof English rreedom. t. The necessif the King req.iired subities ocgra0t and these could be obtained only by the assent of the ere-it boty of his subjects. ;gThey were levied , itpoa real ait'tu)un personal propi the principitl borougns unoed ana the tradi through their knights delegates, wera, su mm declariug thevamouat of subsidv whicii thev were willing to grant, and the rule of assessment uponnds aiv.t personal property, y It wus this principle of Toluntary gr mts-of represehtat ion fur the, purpose d' taxiiin, which brought the imrgessesinfo the House of Commmi. wTaxa- tiou and iet)resen a)i.n " were regarded fatsi.f-. separauie ooce brought iifto the leg's! Vtiv; until thejr. grief anees were reitressed," they gradudly becirai ahle to rindicatei the-r rig.'its they Micreased Inlwealihheir tribute iiwreael.;Teir reasonable claims they are Infreq-ut-nt. The. public attentio Tl, ge ieral l directed to sametnT'W" wno.Wit out op po ition tir canvas, is called. toteprt them. In the smdl towns.it may SeliOther' an I if these are oa!onser fit to intrust d wita tlii; right of' separate representation, tahe it from them. But because these? to be s. eluded,' do not disfranchise all. . It is in vain deny that oorarnercisl corotn-. nities have peculiar" interests of 'thejr ovm. Tlit-ss they musT endeavor to protect and,,!, vanee tlirough some agent ornther. If ve d ny them a Conltit utional agent. 'tliey will be driven to get-agents of another kind It tt-r are to . have no member in the Hill of Leriiiu tion they mav be. compelletl to send yon by members' Heard in theLegistaturr, thw canT do -no harm.'i- Soifew irtntmber, their voice c in beeitectual o ly when itis the voiCe f truth and justice. ;( j,,itwlTten na'ierssof iht AMeojbly i shall oe approached thro' the other agentsTSneans off persuasion, may be used f ( different character. The intelligent imy indeM be adlresed by reason, and the-just by f,i statements but the uninformed may be mi by falsehood, and, those whose cons nence v in. their pockets-vmay be convinced by ar ments directed to the seat of their sensibility. Mr. JTtysaw mproprieiy in iioritiuuing B rough representation, .which hettliought woulj be iriconsistent with theprincipde proposed ti be established by, fixinnp our represemalioa in the General Assembly on federal 'tVnrYta and taxation combined. ' For though teCm merce of the 'State "may- he principally c-rKci on in the, towns of Niwbern, Wtlmingtoa and Fayetleville- ih it is no reason why they shaall ech 'send vSnfembervas they WooVd be rtpn sented on the' s une commoii grottnd with li (tit other inhabitants of the Sute. c He hal 1ii' ed with attention to tlie) argunrents which hid been urged iifavorothcr motion before tfts Committee bir had wot beenionvincel ir them. Tie had i doubt that the repreerti. lives from the-cuhtieajn -which the serfrJ Boroughs are sitiuted; would attend sufficitw. ly to their interest. ifn4 of them were not generally, the very man whom the ton would have elected lid they possessed the pri vileire of dtrinir a. -. On motion, the Comroitle'fXrose, reported . 2- w .l. l i nropres. . and asced teive to sit scam wiiin being granted, the Cventton then adjournii, tul to-morrow; morning V o'ctocsV; After oraver by the' Rir Dri M'PUeteri the President look tho-.XJuirand the Cmmi tion hiving res3lved to consider the, unfiaishW business of yesterday; f s ' l Got?. ZSaain hoaed the Presi.lent wiuldeia ioij other gentleman : iopisU in, C ;n nitte of the whol, as hs - felt sone -vh.it Vind spicil, ana wis:ica io De exctwca iroii iniiservice. The .Convention th"?vrpioiveditself into i in reUtioni to D rouga Members, Jade Duiii , Toe question being atatet. Or. Smith of Orange, rose and aaiil, he had yesterday lisle ed with attention to the rem.rxs of the geutW men from Craven and Cumberland, in op po tioM to his motion for abalMhtng the Birjurt membefsT but had heard. nothing ftoca thea which had made any cliange m his opinion. 11 stiU thmight if the Coiivention adopted tbt. oasis or representation, as propose.!, it ougnt n to bedepsrred from in anv instince. Hi .wwl have preferred that this question respecMng1 Hi' rough members should ltet)ver fbt the preset as ne uia noi s-c noaii .'.ii-ine Mepreseiiiimo in thiir seats wl)o"took? riiost interest in ti .1 - t't A?.ii '.:i-r r.. '; :., .c.imii ti i.iw 110 iiec easily ' lor prcM,i the q 1 est i-ri 1 heM th eref ore, moved that U- Conmiite risea'nd ask 4leave to St 1 again . VtM Mr. MurarfcjfQt&vtg&lie CommIttee'iIi", rising, and the qaesTaon oeing taken it wai tt Governor Suxun said, since he heard the, r4 f ft mrksofthe getitlemiin fromOtini he was himself disposed ' tp reject both e4f! amendments before the Committee, and peral n the origin. r-U-solution to go to a- select CuiiJ $; mittee, in order, if pr ieTiedte,' that son e ptss ,? t might be devised to s ;cureepresentatiou t mi larg? towns now in existence, and ihaie whitjl migut snrinff up in arlv section of thrf St itf.- Tii mighf periiaps done without pr d ten; oNeat inoalitv bv5whhdrAin fV im the etit rWJ1 mtte in the app'jrtionintnt of reirVsent.twi $ the counties the 'pul-tiin jairiil reveinie tneseoo oigtis. nj tUAirel to see this res proiwcel,if"Wittiii the legitimate rtue : f 8 power"tnut ven if itjcul.l it be done. t hougiit th rt tlW Urge towns should in no ef! Sedprved:Bf t'fslresefitatioa. i tJSaidtftat ;f hater -r motives im'j '4 veinrldeneett others -Iritiiiig fo the call if A .the;pcurctiof ttietStte: whence tf p j larjrernortibn ofth 1 trt-nriters of A hp nalv e if 'l.-v i had l'tile weight -f:th cupivd higher ground. If' the hitor of our l Judge Gaston roae and said, that he trusted tlwt t his proposition woti Id not be s decided wilioa t Uscusion. While it is oordtitysir; ,said he, to the extent of bur pow r fto remove "whatevtr blemishes we may tliicover in the W Krllfrl r--AAAI ... .!. . -1 s inrtKluee evils which we know, not of ngs iaterests the former t r wir "J??". "V ; MM nd the latter by theirfrHf'r1 ' 31 onecitoe ih niirria amirter.;.wtiatare the basis OiTtrUl- I sentstinn. Tie ftlt tne-fiiil fiir :e of t is reia'lf Y coukl not longer be restated, and politick pow er was the necessnryesttU. Thji s me urin- cip le no taxa ion without represehtio leit we lint l( n.ntt "it J prudent when makfn? a chimrn in f !.. n,.t.;..i llllttltlllinnc ftriUa Ominl.r a J ., ui mv btnuiuji ne pari n;:fiirtlier irom exist Tliere are 'J- a a juv.i ensnjjes, ana often wen. , ing usages than nrcessity requires thematic-! equality.! Care sUonld be taken tht -.-.;.1,..w..,iiCiK.icsriiimiii rrom : '" f5wcr4.e win m the ereat hnrfv nF th cpmrfeunity shoohf pr'lomJnte but cre must al o tfd had .that the Voice fa.'rand everr pof -..4 u ' 9 - 1 iiuuiicn auuivs were not tor. L 1 1 1 whir k was xue iound.itio;i.vfpohtictl liberty iii Rng-' !'fU!5'ntofpoCtisI. on this sid tf-fieJAtUittic- and isinthlWl our pecul ar reverence. t What bacom. f U it VOtV aboliidl horoiiirh r-nrt-nl.l. T a .... i Pyril i"?:0 aretojiaye noFoice intiiet yKjW? tiitf member lit the n!uef ,hicw-,U,'i co.sthfitttte otf?Mwvcrl regreX veliave not eacornnerciirTyn wr? y ,,b-,'mi principally fid of tlaf-ar ;nt! ni!u rVtMii ifli'tv.ii.Viv. l,pt regrd to t respon.bdity winch th-J ",J"1 r; ti of po itical power wntid impulse up irt Xha " I pr lofifcis neaes-iiry OMihew. that sectid'aal " ferencesi 1 hit h-,lllce - counter id n-i , weights ii micli.nics. rrentatiU leiriUH' l) 'action tor th trAfVsX imnrnv ainl of l C"f 1 . . 'U I ; 7 . . --l"-""- - I.v4 He repeated. thattie bisis of reore entHH rh Cii he; desire I lis see esia iHshed. ! . .' . ... .... .. . i.,tAlT-Ti ana sua' o Hv wtvc'4 wmtt secure tne '.' iLii - "... - . . i ArfiTT-6 a Ve aji ifitelbgace and hberalry to tne ,CRM?, bt've Coiutcds sf the-Stite. If" we rl u.'0" 1 ii. priiicinle. andrcur to the cta).n ie nf im' hi.triouIe I, and the illusti to is ilivmjr, haver thro i 'hmt the whole peri iv'f '!lf politlcat exi-teoee constittte 1 th ltK"i,",r preseytAt on, we wdl fir mI Utile reas ii t" frsncfuse then. If we f ro n the ft? senti'iiv- l the . constituent, tlie 'viw-Vitlvhs.foedttimi us. T.ie t"' yotof i the borough;, mem Ters, was the ? Which ctlled this ;o.Veuri.in into nasi trasI-P.a.A-.f4Skftj - m a . t HP)?? -...-t'i:...-:..fJ .-- :.i ici" ji-! wm fi, oiausrit ctiniinniiiiiH, uih m .A , t 1.1 .A-Jlltifi cis vre nwuiiw. ITS UC1 rcprei --- Ait lfj-1l a .ilit.. aa ... I.a f fir ' .. k a - ... ' . , "a . . 1.. l!1' - . . . . r ... X - J .. a.ak. r . A aaw a, , . . A V 1 L I . . .. . M I , ' thairm-rKeAS iuythe Star wj' ' ,,. frff :1 Our fbrtfathera must have had sorn reason ' ; H '- ! tiwu tXit shwuM be beurwL