Page 4 of non-attendance at meetings for the past two years. The edi torial was not kind to Judge Phipps, and the Judge conclud ed his reading by pointing out that it was a good tiling he had a sense of humor, too. He explained, in the first place, that Mr. Kerr had not left the Board of Trustees because he didn’t attend meetings for two years. He left because his eight-year term had expired. He had not, in fact, the Judge said, attended a meeting of the Board of Trustees for two years, but this was not the reason he left the Board. In the second place, Mr. Kerr had been operated on for cataracts, “the same as me,” and was having trouble adjust ing to near blindness and diffi cult glasses. In any case. Judge Phipps said, Trustees were nominated by “horse-trading" votes, that he had been supporting Mrs. diaries Stanford of Orange County for a position on the Board, and that he had “horse traded" the' nomination of Mr. Kerr for support of Mrs. Stan ford. “So, Mr. Editor, you don’t know what you’re writing about every time you write.” Judge Phipps said he had join ed the American Legion in 1919; that he had always been against any form of subversion; tty the American Legion's American ism Committee, later the Amer icanism Commission, had been formed after four Legionnaires had been “shot down and kill ed” by subversives during an Armistice Day parade in Cen tralia, Washington, in 1919 (“We called 'em Bolsheviks back then”); and that since that time the Legion had passed a number of resolutions calling for legislation prohibiting known communists f rom speaking at state-supported institutions. He said FBI director J. Ed gar Hoover had issued public warnings in 1946 about the Hus sions’ desire to dominate the world, in 1960 about the threat of Castro's Cuba, and in 1962 aoout subversion in this coun try. In the summer of 1962 Cnapel Hill Post 6 of the Amer ican Legion had passed what came to be known as the Royall Resolution, originated by Col. Henry Royell, then chairman of the Post 6 Americanism Commis- i sion, asking for an investigation of the New Le.t Club and the Progressive Labor Club at the University. President Friday and UNC Chancellor William Ay cock had said at that time that they knew of no communist cell or organization on the campus. “That pleased me immensely, that they could make a state ment like that,” said the Judge. But Col. Royall apparently had not been satisfied with President Friday's and Chancel lor Aycock’s assurances of a Red-free University, the Judge went on. Col. Royafi’s resolution was subsequently presented to the executive committee of the North Carolina Department of the American Legion. Another resolution indicating the Legion’s concern with communism was adopted at the convention in Charlotte last June at which Judge Phipps was elected De partment Commander. Similar resolutions had also been adopt ed in North Carolina and else where in ' the country. After Having been elected De partment Commander. Judge Phipps said, he went back to Raleigh for the last three days of the 1963 legislative session. He explained how the Speaker Ban bill, House bill 1395, was introduced aid passed in the House. He then read the bill. Judge Phipps said the news papers were wrong in claiming _ that it had only taken four min utes to pass the Speaker Ban Law. “I don't know how long it took twenty minutes, thirty (laughter, hissing) but bear in mind that it took as long as 120 members of the House wanted it to take.” Judge Phipps explained that the University Trustees were charged with .enforcing the Speaker Ban Law, but that there was no penalty attached to it, it was not a criminal law, “and that’s why I said I don’t know If it has any merit. But it does carry out the thinking of state and national departments of the American legion on commun ism.” Subsequently, Legion support of this view of communism and what to do about it from Legion posts all over North Carolina reached Judge Phipps. “I have been put in the position of hav ing to support the bill as Com mander of the American Legion” because the State's various posts had made their wishes known on the matter. “I think I would have voted for the bill anyway.” A member of the University faculty had called him before his speech last night, he said, and had advised him not to go to Gerrard Hall and tell stu dents he was in favor of curb ing freedom of speech. “I’m not in favor of curbing freedom of speech . . . The law does not prevent any faculty member from teaching about communism.’* He said the North Carolina —Judge Phipps Discusses Gag Law— (Continued from Page 1) State Board of Education had prepared a guide lor teaching about communism in the schools, and that a recommendation to this effect had been included in his bill, presented to the Legis lature during the past session, which would have made it man datory that American govern ment be taught in State public schools. The bill was killed, he added, “because the chairman of the State Board of Education said he had no teachers quali fied to teach American Govern ment in the schools.” Judge Phipps praised Senate President Clarence Stone, point ing out tiie ways in which Sen ator Stone had helped the Uni versity. He contrasted House Speaker Clifton Blue’s patience in letting all legislators talk as much as they wanted with Sen ator Stone’s reputed “fast gav el” method of presiding; and he pointed out that Senator Thomas White, another support er of the Speaker Ban Law, usually was in his legislative of fice by 5:30 in the morning and rarely left the building until 6 in the evening. “The newspap ers never told you that ... I couldn’t do that. I didn’t repre sent this county that well.” Winding up. Judge Phipps said he thought the 1963 Legisla ture was one of the most dedi cated group of men he had ever seen, and that the people owed them a debt of gratitude, par ticularly considering the low pay legislators got. If the legislature had made a mistake in passing the Speaker Ban Law', then there would be another legisla ture in 1965, and if enough sup port for repeal of the law could be mustered, “then that’s what the legislature’s meeting for.” He said he thought 75 per cent of the people in the State were for the Speaker Ban Law. He concluded that the "thing that really concerned” him was that the newspapers that criticized the backers of the Speaker Ban Law never said a word against communism. After a short intermission, during which the audience thin ned somewhat, written questions were submitted: Question: In his University Day speech recently, Paul Green said that a child is weak ened by being oversheltered; that in order to learn, children must stretch their muscles; and didn’t Judge Phippps think the Speaker Ban Law showed a lack of confidence in the aims and ideals of our Democratic so ciety? Judge Phipps said Paul Green was a good friend of his and he wasn’t going to criticize him on this or any other law. In answer to another question, Judge Phipps said he thought there were people in the State who were convinced that a com munist influence was at work in Chapel Hill. He read a letter he had received from Rep. Ned Delemar, one of the introducers of the Speaker Ban Law in the legislature, in which Rep. Dele mar said he was distressed at the current change in young people’s thinking about God and country, and that he had intro duced the bill because he felt that too many young people were not being given “both sides of the story” because too many “le t-wingers” were being al lowed to speak at State-support ed institutions. Q: Do you object to the pres ence in the University Library of books by communists, and if not, how do books by commun ists differ from communist speakers? A: Judge Phipps had not ob jected to books. He had already said that the law did not pre vent teachers from teaching about communism, and that there were a lot of books on the subject that could be used. Q: Then what is the difference between speakers and books? A: Judge Phipps saw a ’ con siderable difference” between a book and a speaker. Q: Would a communist do more damage as a speaker than as est author? A: Judge Phipps though yes, because a speaker was in a po sition to answer specific ques tions. “We always get more from hearing a sermon than from reading one.” Q: Would you oppose speakers who were members of the Am erican Nazi Party or the Ku Klux Klan? Judge Phipps: “My grand father was a member of the Ku Klux Klan.” He described a cross-burning in the yard of Chapel Hill Alderman Hubert Robinson some years ago after Mr. Robinson refused to allow “a known communist working in Chapel Hill” to teach com munism to Negroes in the Ne gro Community Center. Wheth er the cross-burning was the work of the Klan was question able, Judge Phipps said, and concluded that he didn't believe he would classify the Ku Klux Klan with some other extreme organizations he knew of. He had no sympathy with the Nazi Party, however, he added. When asked about scientific meetings on the University cam pus which included communists, Judge Phipp6 repeated that the Trustees were the enforcers of the law, that no penalty was at tached to the law, and that the Trustees should use their dis cretion in enforcing the law. “I don’t see any prohibition against scientists.” He said he thought Dr. J. B. S. Haldane, a world-renowned biologist who recently declined an invitation to speak here after being asked to clarify his past relationship with the communist party, “would have been al lowed to come if he had signed the questionnaire promulgated by the Board of Trustees.” . Q: Why did he vote for the Speaker Ban Law in the Legis lature? Judge Phipps: He had voted for it, he said, because he had just been elected State com mander of the American Legion, which favored such legislation, and “1 thought such a bill would not hurt any State-supported school or university.” Q: What were his personal reasons for supporting the law? Judge Phipps said he had been “bitterly opposed to all subversives since 1919.” He also said he thought that if the word “communist” in the law had been replaced with the word “subversive,” none of the cur rent controversy over the law would have arisen. Q: Did you represent Orange County or the Legion in the Legislature? Judge Phipps: “I resigned from the legislature when I took elective office in the Am erican Legion. I think my train ing, as a member of a church, as a member of a civic club, as■ a member of a social fra ternity on this campus, and as a member of an honorary fra ternity; all influenced my think ing. I voted in the best interests of all the people in North Caro lina,” and, on some bills, in the specific interest of Orange Coun ty, “I did not vote on anything on which I voted without think ing." —Aldermen— (Continued from Page 1) sulfation with members of the Merchants Association permits required parking to be located within 1,000 feet of the business it serves, rather than the 600 re commended by the Planning Board. The new limit would the oretically permit parking on the north side of North Street to serve businesses on Franklin Street. Otherwise, parking require ments remain largely unchanged from the Planner's recommenda tions: one space for each 400 feet gross commercial floor space for stores, restaurants, offices; one space per bedroom for hotels and motels, with ten per cent of the total permitted for use in connection with other activities. In other business the Aider men were told that bonding at torneys had given the opinion that bonds for the Town’s first off-street parking could not be approved without clear title to the property being used. The property of Mrs. Frederic Coenen, one of three lots on East Rosemary Street being held und er option, is occupied by three sets of tenants who hold an oral lease on the property until next June. The oral lease constitutes an encumbrance of title Mayor Sandy MeCjamroch j said Mrs. Coenen had informed him that her tenants would move if satis factory quarters could be found elsewhere and if the Town would defray their moving expenses. Mrs. Coenen had leased the house standing on her property after the Town’s option had ex pired without renewal July 15. Both she and Walter Creech told the Aldermen last week they would sell their property. How ever, both felt they had suffered loss of income by delay of the Town’s purchase. The Aldermen agreed to price increase of SI,OOO on Mrs. Coenen's property, $1,500 on Mr. Creech’s, to cover income loss. The Aldermen also: —Discussed a new ordinance regulating driveway connections in the Planning Area. —Accepted a bid of $3,513 for two new patrol Cars from Har riss-Conners Chevrolet. —Voted members of the Chap el Hill Police Department SIOO each in overtime pay for services during the demonstrations of last summer. —Referred to the Cemetery Committee recommendations for revision of permissible size and placement of grave markers. —Amended the Town plumbing code to reflect revisions in the State Plumbing code. UNDERWRITERS SEMINAR Arthur Deßerry Jr., C. L. U., of Chapel Hill, is among 45 Northwestern Mutual Life In surance Co. agents from Vir ginia, Maryland, North Caro lina, West Virginia, and the Dis trict of Columbia who will attend a special advanced underwriters seminar at the Marriott Key Bridge Motor Hotel in Wash ington tomorrow and Friday. THE CHAPEL HILL WEEKLY —Community Chest Campaign— (Continued from-Pago 1) CAPTAINS; William Locke, William Ta;’-»r, Ralph Penniall, Miss Geraldhie Gourley, Dr. Joseph DeWalt, Dr. Bennie Bar ker, Dr. Syd Alexander, Miss Sarah Virginia Dunlap, Miss Martha C, Davis, Dr. Paul Bun* ce, Dr. Frank Kane, Russell Chambers. BUSINESS DIVISION QUOTA: $12,000 CHAIRMEN: Bob Boyce and Bob Simpson. CAPTAINS: Ronnie Man nr Thomas Gardner, Gus Gesell, Thomas Hannafard, Byron Free man, Dr. Andy Miketa, Peg Owen, Ace Robbins. MAIN CAMPUS DIVISION QUOTA: SB,OOO CHAIRMEN: Sim Wilde and Earle Wallace. CAPTAINS: Miss Barbara Webb, Mrs. Ophelia Andrew, Miss Orpah Cummings, Mrs. Louise Ritchie, Mrs. Joe Nagel schmidt, Mrs. Margaret Haskell, Mrs. Virginia Wells, Mrs. Eve lyn Graham, Mrs. Frances Well man, Mrs. Douglas Fambrough, Raymond Strong, Dean Norval N. Luxon, R. Thomas Phillips, Mrs. Laura Warren, Mrs. Gladys Dimmick, Nancy Honeycutt, Mrs. Mary Wamock, Dr. John D. Eyre, Mrs. Blanche Critcher, Mrs. Mary Davis, Dr. Joffre L. Where The Chest Money Goes Girl Scouts $ 5,000.00 Boy Scouts $ 9,000.00 Chapel Hill Recreation Commission $ 4,000.00 Carolinas United $ 2,000.00 American Red Cross 511,860.00 Association for the Aging —I $ 100.00 Animal Protection Society $ 1,000.00 Holmes Day Nursery $ 5,000.00 Y-Teens : $ 2,207.00 Expenses $ 2,845.00 Total $43,012.00 —Pete Ivey’s Town & Gown — (Continued from Page 1) Venable, later President of the University. Despite the fact that he was into everything on the campus, there was one organization that Will Kenan failed to join, at first. That was the 'feiee club. He was, as he admitted, a poor singer. When barbershop quar tets assembled in foursomes, few were the times when any • one asked him to be a fourth. To make his representation in extra-curricular activities com- Research Grants For UNC Projects Research grants totaling $49,- 080 have been awarded by the U. S. Public Health Service for three projects at the University here. For heart research, the Na tional Institutes of Health has assigned $11,432 to Dr. James L. Coke, chemistry professor, for a study of alkaloid reactions. NlH’s division of arthritis and metabolic diseases is putting $23,376 into a study of organic non-electrolytes secreted by the kidney. The grant was made to Dr. Lawrence Rabinowitz. as sistant professor of physiology in the School of Medicine. The Bureau of State Services, with an interest in water sup ply and pollution control, ap proved $14,272 for a direct gas chromatography study of organ ics in water. Dr. Charles M. Weiss, professor of sanitary en gineering in the School of Pub lic Health, is the recipient of the grant. The Public Health Service last month set up nearly s6l million for about 2,000 research grants and 445 fellowships. GARDEN CLUB MEETING "Garden Arrangements” by Mrs. John Allcott is to be the subject of the first workshop of the season of the Chapel Hill Garden Club to be held Friday from 10 a.m. to noon at the Community Church. All interest ed guests are welcome. Mrs. Allcott has had long experience , with flower arranging and has been very successful with church arrangements in a mod ern setting. .She possesses orig inality of ideas and has used simple materials with much skill. CHURCH WOMEN MEET All women of the community are invited to an open meeting of the Council of United Church Women on Friday, November 1, at the Community Church at 12 noon. Those who attend are ask ed to bring a sandwich. Coffee and dessert will be provided at the church. WALKER’S FUNERAL HOME The Home of Service J. M. Walker, Manager Ambulance Service Day or Night 120 W. Franklin St., Chapel HU —Telephone 94248*1 Coe, Webb Evans, Charles Dolan, Miss Dena Neville, Mrs. Sally Coe, Jon Harder, Mrs. Elizabeth Buice, Kermit Williams, Ross Scroggs, Dr. Henry Thomas, Dr. Eugene Lehman, Jim Milligan, Melson Callahan, Sandra Beasely, John Saunders, Tony Jenzano, Frank Hollowell, John Cox, Gale Winslow, E. W. McKnifJit, Max Saunders, Malcolm McGi rt, Claude Shotts, Walter Moses. NEGRO DIVISION CHAIRMEN: R. D. Smith, C. A. McDougle, Hubert Robin son. CAPTAINS: Mrs. Geraldine Caldwell, Mrs. Lina Foushee, Miss Rosa McMaster, Mrs. Char lie Lassiter, Mrs. Helen Hines, Thomas Purefoy, Herman Bur chette, Mrs. Helen Edmonds, Hillard Caldwell, Mrs. Jimmie L. Hunter, Mrs. Alberta Watson, Mrs. Martha Williams, Mrs. Inez Minor. Mr. 4c Mrs. Garland Fcu shee, Mrs. William Scott. Leroy Cfark, Jr., Mrs. Emma Atwater, A. D. Clark, Stephen Edwards, Charlie Maddox. CARRBORO DIVISION CHAIRMAN: Reverend Calvin Rains. CAPTAINS: Mr. & Mrs. A. B. Poole, Wiley Franklin, Marvin Davis, Mrs. Jesse West. pletely 100 per cent, Kenan went to see the director of the club who was also a professor of Latin. Kenan offered to put on a spec ial show at intermission be tween the songs at the glee con cert. It was a gymnastic exhibi tion, the William Rand Kenan i Tumblers. One of the tumblers was Charles 5. Mangum, who sang tenor in the glee club, and was willing to tumble at inter msision. The glee club director was re luctant at first. But Kenan was persuasive. The tumbling act went on, and Kenan won mem bership in the University of North Carolina Glee Club. * * * How prices have gone up, on everything, in the last 36 years can be shown in what it took to build Kenan Stadium in 1927, and what it cost to add to it in 1963. William Rand Kenan Jr. gave $275,000 for the original stadium of 24,000 seats in 1927. The cost of the 16,000 addi tional concrete seats, now ar ranged in upper-level tiers, reaching upward to the sky, amounts to $1,070,629. That is what Mr. Kenan has spent last year and this year in getting the modernized, clover-leaf en trance way, tancy balconies, built at Kenan Stadium. The original $275,000 had to be added to right away, even in 1927, and later Mr. Kenan built the field house, and contributed to temporary seats above the permanent stadium seats, as well a» the guest box and press box in the 1940’s and 1950'5. Up until last year he had spent aoout $443,000. The $1,070,629 plus the previ ous amounts spent, adds up to more than a million and a half in all that Mr. Kenan has put into Iho memorial to his mother and father. —MacKinney— (Continued from Pago 1) and other societies, an editor of the American Historical Re view, and was the author of sev eral books and pamphlets on medical science history. Surviving are his wife, the former Abigail Greenwood; and a son, Dr. Loren Q. Mac Kinney of the UNC School of Medicine faculty. fine homes in the situation and that repeal of the law was not necessarily be ing asked. Several trustees felt that the resolution was not strong enough. William B. Harrison of Rocky iMomt said the law was “a dis grace and an insult to the intel ligence of the people of North Carolina." He said the Gag Law was engineered by a small group in the Legislature who “sold us a bill of goods." He characterized the group as "little Hitlers and Mussoiinis” and said the law was an example of the totalitar ian tactics. “It is time to stand up and be counted,” Mr. Harri son said. “I wish the resolution went even further.” W. C. Harris Jr. of Raleigh al so favored a stronger stand by the trustees. “I don’t think the resolution goes far enough,” he said, and advocated that the Trustees seek outright repeal. He said he thought the law indicat ed a lack of faith by the Legis ture in the Board of Trustees and the students of the University. During the two-hour meeting in Carroll Hall, UNC President Wil liam C. Friday and the Chancel lors of the three branches of the University presented statements to the Trustees and resolutions adopted by the three faculties were distributed. In a resolution adopted last week, the Chapel Hill Faculty Council said the Gag Law could be disastrous in the University’s competition for faculty members. “Political tampering with the educational process can, over a relatively brief period, drastical lj lower the quality of higher edu cation affected,” the Faculty Coun cil statement said. “Legislative censorship, once begun, carries an invidious threat of future pro scriptions and inevitably stirs fears in the minds of both facul ty and students that expression of unpopular sentiments may pro duce reprisals against them.” The Chapel Hill Faculty Council said "no learned society of any standing would seriously consid er allowing the host institution to interrogate and possibly black ball its duly selected speakers.” Chancellor John Caldwell of N. C. State cited several “embar rassments” that had resulted from the Gag Law, including the re fusal of Dr. J. B. S. 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Main SL ED C C DDIICt PhOM 929-2206 f NEE fKI £t O —UNC Trustees Act On Gag Law — (Continued from Page 1) had been invited to speak at N. C. State, but refused to answer on principle an inquiry as as to his possible Communist affilia tions. Chancellor Caldwell said Dr. Haldane had later told a State faculty member that he wasn’t a member of the Commu nist Party. Greensboro Chancellor Otis Singletary called the Gag Law discriminatory” and “unneces sary and said it struck at the basic mission of a university, “to seek the truth.” Chapel Hill Chancellor William Aycock presented a legal analy sis of the Gag Law and emphasiz ed its vagueness and the prob lems -of enforcement. He also mentioned a 1941 statute which made it unlawful for any public building in the State to be used by persons advocating or teaching the violent overthrow of the State or Federal governments. “Hie 1963 legislation goes much further than the 1941 act,” Mr. Aycock said, “in that it prohibits any person to whom it applies from speaking on any State-sup ported campus on any subject.” President Friday said: "Al ready the exclusion, by law, of vital sources of knowledge from our University has begun. Yet, we have by no means felt the full impact of embarrassment and deteriment that will ensue if something is not done .... Harm ful as the law is to our actual functioning as a university, and to our standing among institu tions of higher learning, there is yet another difficulty more vague and possibly even more damag ing in its ultimate effect. 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Mo down payment if you own an improved lot, minimum down If you don’t Wednesday, October not to my knowledge-a knowledge reasonably informed according to deliberate, appropriate, respon sible process, of administration— there is not to my knowledge any member of the Communist Party on the faculty of the University of North Carolina , . ..” Following the meeting Governor Sanford, who hadn’t previously taken a stand on the Gag Law, said he endorsed the Trustees' action. Howard Patterson Will Be Honored Dr. Howard Patterson, son of Mrs. Drew Patterson, chief sur geon of Roosevelt Hospital hi New York, will be inducted as vice president of the American College of Surgeons tomorrow in San Francisco. He flew out last week to at tend a meeting of the College’s board of governors. Dr. Patter son is a University graduate in the class of 1921 and took his M.D. degree at Harvard. He serv ed as lieutenant-colonel in the ts S. Army medical corps in the North Africa and Italy campaigns. 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