own
opics
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M/Sgt. and Mrs. F. D. Frost of
Santa Ana, Calif., who are visiting
Mrs. Frost’s parents, Mr. and Mrs.
Raymond Alexander, here this
week, plan to leave Monday for
Sardinia, Ohio, where they will
visit Sergeant Frost’s parents be
fore continuing on to Santa Ana.
They will take the “middle route”
by way of St. Louis, Kansas City
and Denver. Sergeant Frost has
been stationed at Santa Ana for
over two years with a crash rescue
crew of the Marine Air Force. He
is making a career of the service,
having already served for 12 years.
& He is due to report at Santa Ana
Monday, September 24. Mrs. Frost
will be remembered as the former
Helen Alexander. She was employ
ed for some time in the local ASC
office.
The county FHA office, located
in the basement of the courthouse
here, will be closed three days next
week. W. Willis Bowen, county
FHA supervisor, announced today
that the office will be closed Mon
day, Tuesday and Wednesday all
day while he and Mrs. Ernestine
Basnight, office clerk, are at New
Bern attending a district FHA
meeting on new policies and office
procedures. Mr. Bowen and Mrs.
Basnight wlil leave early Monday
for New Bern and expect to re
turn late Wednesday. The office
will reopen at 8 o’clock Thursday
morning — the usual hour — Mr.
Bowen stated.
Mrs. Tom West of near Plym
outh said late yesterday that she
had a telephone conversation that
jnorning with her son, Bobby Gene
Rfest, who along with his wife and
Mr. and Mrs. Marvin Campbell of
Plymouth are hospitalized at Suf
folk, Va. Mrs. West said her son
told her that the four would be
coming home Friday of this week.
They were injured in a head-on
collision with another car at 6:451
a. m. Monday three miles west of
Windsor. Young West lost four
teeth and suffered chest and knee
lacerations. His wife, Jo Anne, suf- •
fered head and mouth cuts requir
ing nine stitches, while Marvin 1
Campbell and wife, Mildred, sus- ‘
stained, respectively, a fractured i
nose and fractured arm. Two sail
ors in the other vehicle, which re
portedly went out of control and |
struck West’s car, were also hurt. J
Both cars were total wrecks.
Three members of the Washing
ton County Board of Education,
J. W. Norman and Mrs. K. S. Trow
bridge of Plymouth and J. Whltford
Swain of Roper, and Couaty School
Superintendent B. F. Lowry of
Plymouth were among those who
planned to attend the third annual
regional meeting of the North Car- *
olina State School Boards Associa- c
tion at Greenville Thursday of this )
week. The meeting is being held in *
McGinnis Auditorium, on the cam- *
pus of East Carolina College. '
Theme is: Preserving, Strengthen
ing and Improving the Public I
Schools. 11
Restaurateur Luther Nobles and
Insuranceman C. W. “Snooks”
Burnham have come in for a lot
of kidding, ribald and otherwise,
about their close call from light
ning while on a fishing trip recent
ly. Luther was severely burned and
“Snooks” was knocked sillier than
usual by the bolt; and, so far as
they are concerned, ’taint funny at
all. However, they are still hear
ing about it. This week “Snooks”
got a letter from H. M. Swayne,
manager of a Greensboro insurance
firm, reading as follows: “It has
recently come to my attention that
See TOPICS, Page 10
The Roanoke Beacon
****** and Washington County News ******
A home newspaper dedicated iji
to the service of Washington l-j
| County and iu ,3.®W people. |
VOLUME LXVII—NUMBER 37 Plymouth, Washington County, North Carolina, Thursday, September 13, 1956
ESTABLISHED 1889
Bloodmobile To Be in County Soon
The bloodmobile is coming back
to Plymouth soon.
It was announced here this
week that the next regular quar
terly visit to this county is sche
duled for Tuesday, September 25.
A quota of 110 pints, unchanged
from the last appearance, was also
announced.
It will be the 23rd visit of the
Red Cross unit from Tidewater
Regional Blood Center, Norfolk,
Va., to this county. The last visit
was June 20 when 168 pints were
donated. This brought the grand
total for the county program to
date to 2,637 pints. The program
began here in December of 1950.
Refreshments will be prepared
and donated by the Wesleyan Serv
ice Guild of Plymouth Methodist
Church, it was said. Also, thanks
of local blood bank leaders are
expressed to Mrs. John S. Lilley,
corresponding secretary, for her
untiring work in processing blood
donor cards and other related
clerical work.
The set-up September 25 will be
at the Veterans Building, the usual
place, and the hours for donors
will be 10:30 a. m. to 4:30 p. m.
School Improvement
I Group of 158 Named
By Board Education
I Panthers'Band
| Is Rebuilding
The Plymouth High School
band is in process of reorganiz
ing for the new school year. Di
rector Bemie Ham faces a re
building job, with 18 members of
last year’s improved band miss
ing—nine of them by graduation.
Due to its fine preformances
last year the band is already in
receipt of invitations to perform
at Chapel Hill Saturday, October
27, at the Homecoming Day foot
ball game between Wake Forest’s
Demon Deacons and the Tar
Heels of UNC, and at the In
ternational Boat Regatta parade
at Elizabeth City the last of this
month.
Phone Service To
34 Families Soon,
M. E. Turner Says
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Local Manager of Telephone
Company Says Work Al
ready Scheduled on $10,
000 Project
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Telephone company construction
forces are scheduled to begin work
on an estimated $10,000 project
which will provide telephone serv
ice to some 34 applicants along
Highway 32 out of Plymouth to
wards Washington.
This was disclosed today by M.
E. Turner, local manager for Caro
lina Telephone and Telegraph
1 Company, who stated that service
is expected to be available to new
subscribers during early November.
Manager Turner pointed out that
construction forces set the neces
sary poles for the new project last
week and that the new phase of
the project involves placing some
six miles of wire and cable facili
ties on the new pole line and on
existing pole line along Highway
42.
This is one of more than 100
such rural projects being under
taken this year by the telephone
company to provide service to
rural applicants in its 41-county
operating territory.
Enrollment in Schools;
Mixed trends are indicated in en
rollment figures for Washington
County Schools released today by
the office of the county superin
tendent. (
A table of enrollment figures
completed at the end of the third
day of the current school year
shows an increase of 63 students
over the like period last school
year in the county system.
However, the increase is ac
counted for by a larger enrollment
in the three colored units which
more than made up for a decrease
of four students in the three white
units.
In the colored schools, the in
crease related to both elementary
and high school departments, while
in the white schools a decrease
m was shown in the high schools
W amounting to 11 students. Total
increase in the elementary depart
ments at these schools combined
amounted to seven students, leav
ing the overall white total a deficit
of four when compared with totals
for the 1955-56 school year at the
end of the third day of schoo.l
Both Plymouth and Roper showed
gains in enrollment in the white
schools, but the combined increase
was not sufficient to offset a loss
at Creswell.
Plymouth’s gain in the elemen
tary department more than offset
a loss in the high school. At Roper,
a slight loss in elementary enroll
ment was more than made up for
by a gain of 10 in the high school.
Washington County Union School
which has the only colored high
school in the county showed a
healthy gain in both high school
and elementary departments
amounting to a combined total of
54 students.
Creswell Colored School showed
a loss in total enrollment of five
pupils, while Plymouth Colored
registered a gain of 18.
The table below shows the ele
mentary and high school enroll
ments at the end of the third day
of school Friday of last week, with
a by-schools comparison of the
1955-56 and 1956-57 year figures:
1790-il t
White Schools Elem. H.S.
Plymouth . 750 238
Roper . 253 75
Creswell . 368 127
Total.1,371 440
Colored Schools
Plymouth .. 529
Washing. Co. Union .. 538 274
Creswell __ 190
Total_1,257 274
Grand Total - 2,628 714
Total Elem. H.S. Total
988 768 228 996
328 250 85 335
495 360 116 476
1,811 1,378 429 1,807
529 547 547
812 560 306 866
190 185 185
1,531 1,292 306 1,598
3,342 2,670 735 3,405
Group To Hold First Meet
ing Monday Night, Sep
tember 24, at County
Courtroom in Plymouth
A school improvement commit
tee, made up of 158 prominent
county citizens, was named Monday
of this week by the county educa
tion board.
Appointment of the committee
was for the purpose of harmonious
ly working out a basic program for
the $500,000 school bond issue soon
to be voted on in the county, it
was said. First meeting of the new
group is slated Monday night, Sep
tember 24 in the county courtroom
at 7:30 o’clock.
It is expected that the report
of the school survey made in this
county March 8 of this year by a
committee composed of J. C. Man
ning, superintendent of Martin
County Schools, J. L. Pierce and
W. L. Lathan of the State Depart
ment of Public Instruction, would
be the basis for the program to
be worked out by the school im
provement committee.
The report of the school survey
committee of March 8 stated that
"a substantial amount of new con
struction is necessary to replace
obsolete buildings, to relieve con
gestion and to provide for desired
educational programs.”
Recommendations made included
for Creswell a new lunchroom, new
agriculture building, with, space
now being used for lunchroom pur
poses utilized to enlarge -home eco
nomics and science rooms or for
regular class room space if needed;
For Roper, new physical educa
tion building, new agriculture
building;
For Plymouth Negro School, two
additional classrooms and addition
al land for enlargement of site;
See^COMMITTEE, Page 10 ~~
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Lions Sponsoring
Calendar Project
♦
The Plymouth Lions Club last
week launched its annual Com
munity Birthday Calendar project.
Teams of Lions will call upon all
the-ifeople of the town within the
next two weeks, seeking listings on
the calendar and also taking orders
for the calendars, which will be
delivered toward the end of the
year.
All copy for advertising, birth
day and anniversary listings must
be completed by the end of this
month, in order to have the calen
dars ready for delivery before the
first of next year. Proceeds of the
calendar project will go into the
club’s activity fund.
The calendars sell for 50 cents
each. Birthday and anniversary
listings are made for 25 cents each.
H. O. Lovic is chairman of the
calendar project. The club mem
bership has been divided into
teams, with each team assigned to
work a specific area of the town
during the coming two weeks.
Need for School
Repairing Cited
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The Washington County Grand
Jury, reorganized at the September
term of superior court, in its re
port to the court called attention
to the need for minor repairs at
three county schools, while giving
a clean bill to county school busses.
Creswell White School needs re
pair work to roof and windows on
the south side which leak badly,
the report stated.
Listed for Creswell Colored
School, a bad leak in the hall and
water spigots in girls’ and boys’
restrooms need repair;
Roper White School, east and
west doors downstairs need replac
ing; plaster over upstairs entrance
needs repairing.
The report said the body had
“duly examined all bills of indict
ment and presentments that have
come to our attention and have
made every effort to dispose of
same in a just manner.”
The report was signed by H. H.
Allen of Plymouth, foreman.
Wrilers and Artists
Hear Address by
Robert L. Humber
President of North Carolina
Art Society Talks To Roa
noke-Chowan Group in
Meeting Here
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By Mrs. Mary Cotton Davenport
“Such groups as The Roanoke
Chowan Writers’ and Artists’ As
sociation are the essence of North
Carolina s Culture,” Robert Lee
Humber, President of The North
Carolina Art Society, told the forty
four writers and artists of the
northeastern section of the state at
the ninth annual meeting of the
group in Plymouth on September
8.
In the Winslow studio, surround
ed by paintings done by its artist
members, the group heard an ad
dress on Carolina’s responsibility
for the cultural development of its
citizens. Mr. Humber was present
ed by the president of the associa
tion, Gilbert Stephenson of Pendle
ton.
Mr. Humber compared the lunch
eon served in the Winslow home to
a dinner he once attended at an ex
clusive club in New York whose
motto was fine food, excellent serv
ice, sparkling conversation, and no
after dinner speeches. On that par
ticular occasion, Mr. Humber re
lated, the rule of no after dinner
speech making was broken when
one distinguished member arose
and said, “no finer food can be
found in America than that served
here to day.”
Mr. Humber expressed the grati
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Approve Teacher
Contracts Monday'
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Contracts of 20 teachers in the
county school system were approv
ed by the board of education at its
regular monthly meeting here
Monday.
They included si xat Plymouth
High School, two at Roper High
School, seven at Creswell High
School, one at Plymouth Colored,
three at Washington County Union
School, and one at Creswell
Colored.
The list:
Plymouth — Miss Ila Bullock,
Mrs. Mildred E. Martin, Theodor
Charles Martus, D. L. Finch, jr.,
Mrs. Vernelle B. Beasley, Mrs.
Mary Cotton Davenport;
Roper—Mrs. Ruth C. Tarkenton,
Mrs. Geneva Jane Hord Buckles;
Creswell — A. K. Spencer, jr.,
Miss Pauline Moore, Donald E.
Phelps, Mrs. Grace S. Cox, Mrs.
Lillian B. Fisher, Mrs. Doris M
Vichols, Mrs. Annie S. Davenport;
Plymouth Colored — Miss Doro
thy Holman;
Washington County Union—Miss
dary Louise Smith, Miss Margaret
Lee Thomas, Robert C. Williams;
Creswell Colored—Mrs. Edith H.
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Council Hikes Fee
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ConneciionsHere
Aclion Taken at Regular
Meeting Monday; To Open
Bids for New Water Tank
Here Next Tuesday
Members of the Plymouth City
Council considered a number of
routine matters at their regular
meeting Monday night and then
recessed until next Tuesday, when
bids for the new water tank are to
be received. Mayor A. J. Riddle
presided at the session, with the
following councilmen present: E.
D. Keel and W. C. Hall, first ward;
J. B. Latham and Ralph Hunter,
second ward; and J. D. Mallory,
third ward.
Council voted unanimously to
raise the fee for water and sewer
connections from the present rate
of $30 to $50. It was brought out
that the cost of a water meter and
the fittings necessary to install it
is now S48. Rates in other towns
about the size of Plymouth were
reviewed, and it was learned most
of them are charging from $50 to
$100 for water and sewer taps, as
compared with $30 here.
t James H. Ward discussed the
■ town's liability insurance with the
■ councilmen at some length. He sug
gested that the town change its
. general liability policy to compre
t hensive liability and pointed out
. several instances in which claims
r could arise against which the pres
i ent policy does not offer protection.
Total covers under the compre
- hensive policy would cost about
- $750 more than at present, it was
found. Leaving off property dam
• age laibility would save approxi
i mately $400. Following some dis
• cussion, it was decided to leave
'■ the matter open for the present,
■/the mayor stating that a decision
i would be reached on the matter in
the next few days.
Mayor Riddle said a break in a
water line at the high school build
ing here ran the school’s bill for
one month up to $31.90, and coun
ty authorities requested the council
to consider remitting part of the
amount due. It was brought out
that school was not in session wi en
the break occurred and it was not
discovered until the end of- the
meter reading period. Councilmen
agreed to settle the bill for half
the amount due.
Drainage in several sections of
the town also came up for consid
Ieration. Recent heavy rains caused
flooded conditions in some areas,
especially Brinkley Woods and
Stillacres. Chief of Police P. W.
Brown said steps had already been
taken to clean out ditches and it
is hoped to enlarge some of the
drainpipes which are causing the
water to back up.
The meeting to consider bids on |
the new water tank is to be held ,
at 2 p. m. next Tuesday, September ,
18. The engineering firm of Rivers ,
Sl Rivers, of Greenville, which is to j
supervise the construction work, j
has advertised for bids and will ,
open and submit them to the coun- ,
cil at the session.
Legal Retail Whiskey i
Sales Are Over $15,000 [
Legal retail sales of whiskey in J
this county totaled over $15,000 s
last month, according to figures ^
released this week by W. C. Styons, v
maanger of Washington County a
ABC Store No. 1, Plymouth. f
The Plymouth outlet sold $13,- <
995.70 worth in August, while sales j
at Store No. 2, Creswell, amounted „
to $1,097.80, Styons said.
County Votes for
! Plan by Majority
The Vote, hj Preeinets
Following is the official vote, by precincts, in the special
general election last Saturday on the Special Session School Amend
ment (Pearsall Plan), as tabulated at the official canvass by the
county board of elections Tuesday:
Precinct
Plymouth No. 1
Plymouth No. 2
Lees Mill
Skinnersville .
Scuppernong
Wenona
Totals.
For
. 295
529
__ 228
131
411
_ 40
1,634
Against
88
90
54
7
5
4
248
Official tabulation of the vote on the regular session amend
ment is shown below. Amendment No. 1 authorizes increased com
pensation for members of the General Assembly; Amendment No 2
changes date for convening General Assembly from January to
rebruary; and Amendment No. 3 authorizes married woman to ex
ercise powers of attorney conferred by her husband.
Precinct
Plymouth No. 1
Plymouth No. 2
Lees Mill _
Skinnersville
Scuppernong .
Wenona ..
For
273
431
179
69
341
24
No. 1
Against
77
134
68
14
40
6
For
281
457
191
68
358
34
No. 2
Against
65
For
85
49
14
30
1
283
502
205
68
327
33
No. 3
Against
60
69
46
11
17
5
Totals .1,317 339 1,389 244 1 418
208
10 Indicted, Quantity
Wine Seized in Raids
More Than Score of Federal,
State and County Officers
Swoop Down on Pea
Ridge Places Thursday
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Several ABC and ATU officers
carried out a well-thought-out raid
in the Pea Ridge section of this
county Thursday of last week and
as a result 10 persons were bound
over for grand jury action at the
October 22 term of Federal Court
at Washington.
Other results of the big raid in
cluded the confiscation of 2,584
gallons of non-tax-paid wine and
whiskey, i huge winery and the re
portedly thorough intoxication oi
a herd of swine at one of the places
where wine containers were smash
ed.
It was reported that 24 officers,
operating in eight automobiles and
armed with federal search war
rants, struck in a series of sudden
raids, with the largest haul being
made at the place of E. O. “Zeke”
Arnold, former school principal
and county representative.
Three Pitt County ABC agents,
Harold . Lilley, Walter Taylor and
Levi Russell, along with P. H.
Blettner, ATU officer from Eliza
beth City, uncovered 1,669 gallons
of wine in jars, jugs, barrels and
vats at the Arnold place, about a
mile from the Albemarle Sound
Bridge on NC 32. Wineries were
found in two barns behind the
main dwelling, it was said. Wine
and distilleries were destroyed.
It was said that 39} gallons of
non-tax-paid whiskey and 495 gal
lons of bootleg wine were seized
at the residence of Sidney Harring
ton, 57-year-old farmer. Robert
Davis, clerk in Harrington’s store,
was arrested on three counts of
selling bootleg on the premises, un
dercover agents trapping him, it
was stated. In the raiding party
it Harrington’s place were State
4BC Officer Bunting, Pitt ABC
Officer Ward and ATU Officer F.
r. Woolard of Elizabeth City.
See RAIDS, Page 10
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I Young Student
i Dies ai Union
Bobby Brooks, 15-year-old stu
dent at Washington County
Union School, Roper, died of an
acute heart attack while on the
school grounds after school
Thursday of last week, it is re
ported.
Dr. T. L. Bray, Plymouth phy
sician, stated that the boy had
been taking callsthenlc exercise,
"trolUrg around” the campus
prior to the atta*-,. He was the
son of Mrs. Catherine Brooks
of Plymouth and the late Arthur
Brooks.
Court Winds Up
Business in Day
And a Half Here
Judge J. Paul Frizzelle of
Snow Hill Presides at
September Criminal Term
Of Court
The September criminal term of
superior court organized here Mon
day morning and by shortly after
noon Tuesday was all over.
Judge J. Paul Frizzelle of Snow
Hill presided and made a most
comprehensive charge to the grand
jury following its reorganization. H.
H. Allen of Plymouth was named
foreman of that body. D. E. Spruill
was sworn in to replace E. O.
Arnold and the following other
new members took the oath: War
ren Alien, Henry A. Simpson,
Grady Biggs, J. B. White, J. W.
Furlough, L. S. Bateman, W. H.
Ambrose, Fred B. Smith, W. L.
See COURT, Page 10
PANTHERS:
Flanked by three members of the coaching staff and one of the two maangers, members of the
1956 Plymouth High School "Panthers” football squad are pictured above. That’s Head Coach
Joe Foster at left, the boy in plaid shirt next to him is Darrell Kelly, and the youngster knee
ling in front is Joe Ezzcll. On the extreme right is Manager Bobby Mobley; back of him are Assistant Coaches Charles Inabinett and
Andy Wood. Members of the squad in uniform are, left to right, front row: Eddie Dawley, Bobby Ange, Golden Simpson, Owen Bishop,
Frank Skiles, George Waters, Eugene Asby and Leroy Sitterson; second row, kneeling: Ralph Gurganus, Bobby Barber, Bobby Noonev
Elton Ange, Eric Harrell, Phillip Styons, Billy Tetterton and David Peele; third row: Marion Allen, Henry Turner, Buddy Harrison!
Gilbert Tetterton, Tommy Terry, A1 Cox, Wayne Mobley, Lowell Bowen, Larry Allen and John Jackson; back row: Marvin Rodgers!
John Adams, Billy Harden, Tommy Sanderson, Mack Graham, Larry Watson, Morgan Williams, Jack Nobles and Eugene Brown. Wil
liam Whitley, one of the managers, was absent When the photo was made.—Staff photo.
Pearsall
of 7 To 1
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I Vote Much Larger Than Ex
I peeled With Total Almost
1,900; Other Amendments
Also Carried
With a much larger turnout than
generally expected, Washington
County voters last Saturday joined
others throughout North Carolina
in approving the Special Session
School Amendment (Pearsall Plan)
by a lop-sided majority. The vote
on the amendment in this county
was 1,634 for and 248 against, a
margin of almost 7 to 1. Official
figures for the state as a whole
are not yet available, but it was
indicated Monday that the margin
would be about 4 to 1 out of more
than 500,000 votes cast.
Also carried in the voting last
Saturday, both in this county and
throughout the state, were the
three regular session amendments
also by one-sided margins. The
vote in this county was as follows:
Amendment No. 1, providing in
crease in compensation for mem
bers of the General Assembly, for
1,317, against 339; Amendment No.
2, for convening General Assembly
in February instead of January, for
1,389, against 244; Amendment No.
3, authorizing married woman to
exercise powers of attorney con
ferred by her husband, for 1,418,
against 208.
Major surprise in the voting last
Saturday was size of the vote. Few
observers expected more than 1,500
votes in this county, whereas al
most 1,900 actually turned out. The
voting was almost correspondingly
as heavy throughout the state, set
ting a new record for a special
election.
That the Pearsall plan would be
carried was almost a foregone con
clusion, and the margin was also
fairly well certain in advance. Sup
ported by Governor Luther Hodges,
members of the state administra
tion and most members of the Gen
eral Assembly, the plan provides
for local school units to vote on
suspending its school in cases of
“intolerable conditions” and also
authorizes education expense grants
for children who might otherwise
be forced to attend mbk~* schools.
There was no organised oppo
sition, although a number of news
papers, a few organizations and in
dividuals came out against the plan,
principally because they felt it con
stituted a threat to the state-wide
"general and uniform” school sys
tem presently provided by the con
stitution.
Governor Hodges and other
See ELECTION, Page 10
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YoungCounlyMan
Dies From Wreck
Injuries Saturday
♦
James Walker, Negro of the
Long Ridge Section, Vic
tim of Accident Near Dar
dens on US 64
A highway accident near Dar
dens at 4 a. m. Saturday claimed
the life of James Walker, young
colored man of the Long Ridge
section of this county.
According to the report of the
investigating officer, Cpl. M. C.
Byrum of the State Highway Patrol,
two passengers in the death car
sustained injuries.
Walker died in Washington
County Hospital Saturday after
noon at 3 o’clock. He suffered a
skull fracture and multiple frac
tures of the neck and never re
gained consciousness, it was said.
It was the third highway fatali
ty on highways of Martin County
reported this year, a report from
Williamston said.
Hermon Mason, jr., 20, of Plym
outh, sustained head and shoulder
injuries and Harold Brooks, Plym
outh Rt. 2, suffered head and back
injuries. Mason was released from
the hospital at noon Monday but
Brooks was still a patient there late
Wednesday.
son, drive of the vehicle, told that
son, drive rof the vehicle, told that
he fell asleep at the wheel while
on the way back to Washington
County from Beaufort County. The
machine went out of control, ran
off the highway on the left should
er, swerved back across the high
way and traveled some 200 yards
along the roadside ditch before
striking a culvert at the driveway
of the Hosea .James place on US 64.
The car overturned and was a
complete loss. Walker was thrown
clear of the wreck and landed
about 12 feet from where the ve
hicle stopped, it was said. It was
reported that Mason had been
warned about speeding Friday.
The report said the rear bumper
of the car bore the legend, “Flying
Saucer.”